Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
Ella

Rockford, MI

#437984 May 5, 2013
Regina wrote:
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So am I.
I wish these non-Catholics would look in their own closets first.
The bible is very clear about church disciple. And it doesn't say to send your priests to another parish where there is a great potential that they will commit the abuse again. Look, either we are going to follow God's Word or we are not.
Ella

Rockford, MI

#437985 May 5, 2013
marge wrote:
The obvious don't even come to their minds!
To agree with the obvious means to take responsibility for one's behavior......
Ella

Rockford, MI

#437986 May 5, 2013
marge wrote:
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Hey Ella, dear confinting is a brother, his wife does post under his name but when she does she signs her name,(kay marie):)
Oh,sorry. My error. Thanks. Amen (Confrinting the Word) My Brother! My deepest apologies for my error...
Regina

Long Branch, NJ

#437987 May 5, 2013
Ella wrote:
<quoted text>
The bible is very clear about church disciple. And it doesn't say to send your priests to another parish where there is a great potential that they will commit the abuse again. Look, either we are going to follow God's Word or we are not.
At the time that most of the abuses occurred (several decades ago), the offending priests were sent for treatment as that was the recommended action in those days. Psychologists claimed to have the answer. They didn't.

I'd suggest you look in your own backyard as there's a tremendous incidence of cover up and "preacher" shifting still going on today:
http://stopbaptistpredators.org/index.htm
Regina

Long Branch, NJ

#437988 May 5, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Is there any sect of Protestantism that hasn't married same sex couples?
By that, I mean, Confrints Pentecostal community hasn't. But the Pentecostal community in the next state has. Same with all of the rest. On one side of the street is different than the other. Its crazy.
Protestants would much rather shift the focus onto the Church, as would all non-Catholics.
That way they don't have to take responsibility for their actions (i.e. abuse and cover-up in their respective ecclesial gathering traditions).
It's a classic case of closing their eyes and plugging up their ears, shouting "No, it doesn't happen with us".

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437989 May 5, 2013
Regina wrote:
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So am I.
I wish these non-Catholics would look in their own closets first.
I suggest if you lead the way, others will also start to admit that humans are simply mortal animals and not the favorites of any gods.
Angel1976

Rockford, MI

#437990 May 5, 2013
Ella wrote:
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I have spent 23 yrs+ counseling the sexually and ritualistically abused and perpetrators of sexual abuse. Some children when sexually abused, experience gender confusion as a result of their abuse. Others escape their pain through drug/alcohol abuse, cutting, or suicide attempts....From my work with perpetrators of sexual abuse, I have found a history of sexual abuse in their own lives usually exits. The abuser is acting out their own abuse perpetrated against them.
Not only do these factors come into play some victims of sexual abuse also have flashbacks some get over them in time and some don't I know this from experience because it has happened to me more than once. I was devastated and hurt and at times the victim will blame themselves for what has happened to them when in reality it isn't their fault at all. Not only that but I had a hard time trusting men for the longest time.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437991 May 5, 2013
Regina wrote:
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Now, now, June....we know you're ticked off because Anthony pointed out that it was proven that the great majority of abuse was committed by homosexuals, and you have a homosexual agenda.
Of course, you'll get lots of protestant evangelical support for that here. They'll vote for same-sex marriage if they think it will thwart the Catholic Church.
You are silly. If the hierarchy covered up for the molesters believing they were homosexual, then the hierarchy is still responsible ... NOT the homosexuals.

However pedophiles are neither homosexual or heterosexual. Pedophiles take advantage of defenseless children, and those who are attracted to only adults do not.

I am a heterosexual who is attracted only to men ... not children. I give the same respect to homosexuals as I want coming to me.

You want to vilify homosexuals to make your hierarch free of guilt.

They knew what they were doing when they covered up those crimes and refused to protect the children from pedophile priests and nuns.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437992 May 5, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
942
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There is no "if" a synagogue is the same as a church...it is a church..per Scripture:
ekklesia, a calling out, i.e.(concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):--assembly, church.
I'll ask the question again, and maybe this time you will answer it.

If a synagogue is the same as a church, why do Christians not go to synagogues to pray and worship the supposed Jewish god?

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437993 May 5, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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I am not indicating...I am saying:122
The truth: A name given at Antioch to those who believed Jesus to be the Messiah, A. D. 42, Ac 11:26 It seems to have been given to them by the men of Antioch as a term of convenience rather than of ridicule, to designate the new sect more perfectly than any other word could do.
I just that you try answering my question rather than regurgitating nonsense.

Are you indicating that the Jews (faithful to Judaism) came up with the word Christian so that Catholics could branch OFF of Judaism with a new sect???
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#437994 May 5, 2013
Clay wrote:
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You said it right.
About 10 yrs ago we got a guide named Cliff. He showed us how to use the wind and fish off the islands; jigging off the rocks. So that's usually our most success on that lake.
We seem to get the Crappies too on that lake, and from what I understand, not allot of people do.
Well, you never know.. My brother or uncle could call me up that week, and we'll be heading up. If its spur of the moment like that, they usually camp down from the casino. I haven't done that yet. I prefer a bedroom and kitchen. lol.
We've camped and stayed at different resorts. Recently we've been staying in a privately owned cabin, It's nice and quiet with our own dock. I've hunted the crappie on that darn lake and never caught one! But there's been years where our party of 10 have caught 200 walleyes, mostly small, but the action is a blast.

I'll give you a report when we get back my friend.
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#437995 May 5, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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Writing about the Catholic Church does not mean a Catholic church existed...it merely means he wrote about it!!!! By the same token, you can write all day long about the goose that laid the golden egg...it does not mean the goose exits...it only means you wrote about it!!!
History can only be denied by Catholic...
The Roman Empire legally recognized Pauline Christianity as a valid religion in 313 AD. Later in that century, in 380 AD, Roman Catholicism became the official religion of the Roman Empire. During the following 1000 years, Catholics were the only people recognized as Christians.
Question: If, as you believe, Christ built the Catholic Church when He said "I will build my church"...why did it take Him,almost 400 years to do So!!!!!????
If you want to discuss the SBC...start a new thread...
Lol. Yeah, he just made up the word as a filler for the rest of the instruction letters he was writing to the Churches.

Once again you've proven how much of a bore you are to communicate with.

Good luck to you.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437996 May 5, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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The report (and almost all other studies) confirm it was homosexual men who were responsible for almost all of the abuse.
I realize that data is old on which base your claims, and that the hierarchy likes that old data ... but the new therapists don't agree, and they will win the day.

The new therapists are more open to listening to what homosexuals have to say.

Your theologians are "dead ends." They listen to nothing but their own voices coming back to them.
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Homosexuality accepted by experts

What The Experts Say

The American Psychiatric Association in its position statement on Psychiatric Treatment and Sexual Orientation states: The potential risks of “reparative therapy” are great, including depression, anxiety and self destructive behavior, since therapist alignment with societal prejudices against homosexuality may reinforce self hatred already experienced by the patient. Many patients who have undergone “reparative therapy” relate that they were inaccurately told that homosexuals are lonely, unhappy individuals who never achieve acceptance or satisfaction. The possibility that the person might achieve happiness and satisfying interpersonal relationships as a gay man or lesbian is not presented, nor are alternative approaches to dealing with the effects of societal stigmatization discussed.

The American Psychological Association

in its Resolution on Appropriate Therapeutic Responses to Sexual Orientation, which is also endorsed by the National Association of School Psychologists, states: That the American Psychological Association opposes portrayals of lesbian, gay, and bisexual youth and adults as mentally ill due to their sexual orientation and supports the dissemination of accurate information about sexual orientation, and mental health, and appropriate interventions in order to counteract bias that is based in ignorance or unfounded beliefs about sexual orientation.

At the American Psychological Association’s

annual meeting, August 10, 2006, the organization released the following statement:“For over three decades the consensus of the mental health community has been that homosexuality is not an illness and therefore not in need of a cure. The APA’s concern about the position’s espoused by NARTH and so-called conversion therapy is that they are not supported by the science. There is simply no sufficiently scientifically sound evidence that sexual orientation can be changed. Our further concern is that the positions espoused by NARTH and Focus on the Family create an environment in which prejudice and discrimination can flourish

The American Medical Association

in its policy statement on Health Care Needs of Gay Men and Lesbians in the United States reads: most of the emotional disturbance experienced by gay men and lesbians around their sexual identity is not based on physiological causes but rather is due more to a sense of alienation in an unaccepting environment. For this reason, aversion therapy (a behavioral or medical intervention which pairs unwanted behavior, in this case, homosexual behavior, with unpleasant sensations or aversive consequences) is no longer recommended for gay men and lesbians. Through psychotherapy, gay men and lesbians can become comfortable with their sexual orientation and understand the societal response to it.

In July 2000, the AMA specifically addressed reparative therapy stating:(we) oppose any psychiatric treatment, such as “reparative” or “conversion” therapy which is based upon the assumption that homosexuality per se is a mental disorder or based upon the a priori assumption that the patient should change his/her homosexual orientation.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437997 May 5, 2013
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The American Counseling Association
has adopted a resolution that states that it: opposes portrayals of lesbian, gay, and bisexual youth and adults as mentally ill due to their sexual orientation; and supports the dissemination of accurate information about sexual orientation, mental health, and appropriate interventions in order to counteract bias that is based on ignorance or unfounded beliefs about same gender sexual orientation. Further, at its 1999 World Conference, ACA adopted a position opposing the promotion of “reparative therapy” as a “cure” for individuals who are homosexual.
The American Academy of Pediatrics
in its policy statement on Homosexuality and Adolescence states: Confusion about sexual orientation is not unusual during adolescence. Counseling may be helpful for young people who are uncertain about their sexual orientation or for those who are uncertain about how to express their sexuality and might profit from an attempt at clarification through a counseling or psychotherapeutic initiative. Therapy directed specifically at changing sexual orientation is contraindicated, since it can provoke guilt and anxiety while having little or no potential for achieving changes in orientation.

The National Association of Social Workers

in its Policy Statement on Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual Issues: endorses policies in both the public and private sectors that ensure nondiscrimination; that are sensitive to the health and mental health needs of lesbian, gay, and bisexual people; and that promote an understanding of lesbian, gay, and bisexual cultures. Social stigmatization of lesbian, gay, and bisexual people is widespread and is a primary motivating factor in leading some people to seek sexual orientation changes. Sexual orientation conversion therapies assume that homosexual orientation is both pathological and freely chosen. No data demonstrate that reparative or conversion therapies are effective, and in fact they may be harmful.

NASW believes social workers have the responsibility to clients to explain the prevailing knowledge concerning sexual orientation and the lack of data reporting positive outcomes with reparative therapy. NASW discourages social workers from providing treatments designed to change sexual orientation or from referring practitioners or programs that claim to do so.
As these statements make clear, health and mental health professional organizations do not support efforts to change a person’s sexual orientation through “reparative therapy” and have raised serious concerns about its potential to do harm. Many of the professional associations are able to provide helpful information and local contacts to assist school administrators, health and mental health professionals, educators, teachers, and parents in dealing with school controversies in their communities.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437998 May 5, 2013
Those in churches will lie and lie some more to protect their theologians ... who for their cooperation pay them in full with empty promises of salvation.

It' quite the trade-off!
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#437999 May 5, 2013
marge wrote:
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Anthony, surely you can see how your celebacy rule fueled the abuse?
In the case of the abuse scandal the predominant problem was homosexual priests, and also not taking their vows seriously.

How do you explain sex abuse among protestant groups at a higher rate and in light of the fact that you don't have a celibacy rule?
Regina

Long Branch, NJ

#438000 May 5, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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You are silly. If the hierarchy covered up for the molesters believing they were homosexual, then the hierarchy is still responsible ... NOT the homosexuals.
However pedophiles are neither homosexual or heterosexual. Pedophiles take advantage of defenseless children, and those who are attracted to only adults do not.
I am a heterosexual who is attracted only to men ... not children. I give the same respect to homosexuals as I want coming to me.
You want to vilify homosexuals to make your hierarch free of guilt.
They knew what they were doing when they covered up those crimes and refused to protect the children from pedophile priests and nuns.
Most were homosexuals, not pedophiles. Sorry. Most of the victims were pubescent/post-pubescent. Sorry. Still horrible, but not nearly what you and the others like to portray. The recommended action at that time was to send the offenders for psychological treatment and get them away from the victim. Sure, some were thinking only about how to avoid scandal, but most sincerely wanted to do the right thing. The 'pedophile' label is mostly a secular invention. At least in the Church. Protestant ecclesial communities are rife with pedophilia and cover up. If you truly care about the victims, make your voice known with them. Go ahead, I dare ya.
Regina

Long Branch, NJ

#438001 May 5, 2013
Angel1976 wrote:
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Not only do these factors come into play some victims of sexual abuse also have flashbacks some get over them in time and some don't I know this from experience because it has happened to me more than once. I was devastated and hurt and at times the victim will blame themselves for what has happened to them when in reality it isn't their fault at all. Not only that but I had a hard time trusting men for the longest time.
Oh, my.

Do you live anywhere near 'Ella'? She's a professional, she can help you.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#438003 May 5, 2013
992
June VanDerMark wrote:
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I'll ask the question again, and maybe this time you will answer it.
If a synagogue is the same as a church, why do Christians not go to synagogues to pray and worship the supposed Jewish god?
You have my answer: 942

There is no "if" a synagogue is the same as a church...it is a church..per Scripture:
ekklesia, a calling out, i.e.(concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):--assembly, church.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#438004 May 5, 2013
Regina wrote:
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Most were homosexuals, not pedophiles.
So the hierarchy covered up centuries of abuse by homosexuals, so that when the cover-ups were reported by people within the church, the popes could then blame homosexual for all their problems???

Your indoctrination will keep you in the dark, and that is where you prefer to stay.

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