Roman Catholic church only true churc...

Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 687174 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437671 May 4, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
My discussion on this forum is for the purpose of sharing that we are to put God first.
KayMarie
Then may I suggest you put the Catholic-Christians first, and your less than holy self second?

Silly people!!!
Dan

Omaha, NE

#437672 May 4, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Dan"
Really.
"53 Jesus said to them,“Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. YOUR ANCESTORS ATE MANNA AND DIED, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.”
Christ seemed VERY emphatic on the matter, did He not?
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Read it again: YOUR ANCESTORS ATE MANNA AND DIED. Catholics have been 'eating' the Eucharist for centuries, and not one of them lived past his time.
Jesus said that, "WHOEVER EATS THIS BREAD WILL LIVE FOREVER". He also said that HE is the 'living' bread, which, if one 'eats'(absorbs, obeys), he/she shall live FOREVER.
KayMarie
You all don't believe that you partake in Christ at the Eucharist.

Did you just consign yourself to the nether regions here, Kay?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#437673 May 4, 2013
who="Clay"
Nonsense Herm. We do a remarkable job of defending our faith against false accusations. 90% of the time its respectful too.
If we Catholics leave, Old G, Confrint and the crew will surround you and tear you apart, because you would be the closest thing to the Catholic Church .. Then when they are done with you, they'll turn on each other, starting with the weakest first.

**********

Accuser of the brethren? He thought that you were his friend, until you turned on him. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't want to 'tear anyone apart'(not even you). I would like to discuss some teachings/practices that are detrimental to Christianity.

KayMarie
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437674 May 4, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
So sorry for you.
You are so sorry for me that you salivate at the thought of me burning in hell.

Your attitude is ... "That will FIX you for not obeying my sermons of wisdom. SO THERE ... TAKE THAT AND THAT AND THAT from MY god."
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#437675 May 4, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
There is tremendous confusion concerning the early "lists" of the bishops of Rome. As simple as it may sound, the reason is easily discovered: no one really cared for the first century of the history of the church at Rome. All the lists come from at the earliest many decades later, and show a concern that did not arise until the Church as a whole began struggling with heresy and began formulating concepts of authority to use against heretics. But in those first decades, even into the middle of the second century, no one was particularly concerned about who the bishop of Rome was. Why? Because no one had the concepts that Rome now presents as "ancient." No one thought the bishop of any one church was above any other, or that the bishop of Rome was somehow invested with any particular authority.
In the late 2nd or early 3rd cent. the tradition identified Peter as the first bishop of Rome. This was a natural development once the monarchical episcopate, i.e., government of the local church by a single bishop as distinct from a group of presbyter-bishops, finally emerged in Rome in the mid-2nd cent.(p. 6).
When speaking of Linus, Anacletus, Clement, Evaristus, Alexander, Telesphorus, and Hyginus (to A.D. 142), there was no monarchical episcopate in Rome at this time! Only with Hyginus the monarchical episcopate is beginning to emerge, and does so with Pius 1, 142-155 A.D.
What does this mean? Well, it's pretty hard for there to be an exercise of "papal authority" when there is no papacy! The primitive form of church government found in Rome is the biblical one: a plurality of elders.
- "I would far rather hear of a rival to my throne than another Bishop of Rome"
Emperor Decius upon executing Pope Fabian in 250 AD

- Any group on this Earth (political, academic, athletic, or Religious) needs one leader: one final decision maker.
You have it in your Orthodox Church too Herm.
Every single Protestant sect has one too. In fact, most assume more authority than any Pope we've had!

- Nobody can read the Book of Acts and not acknowledge that Peter stood above the other Apostles in a leadership role. His authority was evident. Tradition shows what the early Church considered the Bishop of Rome to be, a leader. If you don't have one leader, you have Anarchy. And that's exactly what Protestanism is: Anarchy pretending that the Holy Spirit is guiding them to scriptural truths!
Human Being

Ville Platte, LA

#437676 May 4, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course people will kill each other. If I found it necessary I no doubt would kill other humans ... but I wouldn't lead them astray by claiming that the war I was trying to instigate was supported by a god.
Killing is to be expected, as humans are animals as are all other animals ... but using religion as a ploy to motivate people to kill, when teaching people that religion is the highest truth for which to attain, confuses people. That suggests that the god who tells truth WANTS humans to kill each other.
Such ridiculous teaching drove many people to insanity and suicide.
I suggest that the theologians didn't want to admit the real reasons for war was of their own greed in the quest to steal land and property and women and whatever else they desired.
"HOLY WAR???" ... what an ignorant term!!!
June VanDerMark:

I can agree with much of what you write.

Oftentimes, people are driven to regret and despair of being used, and find themselves quite alone in trying to reconcile the past.

I prefer to think it not the theologians, but rather all who live a life seeking power over others by whatever means they have onhand, that would seek to do such things.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437677 May 4, 2013
This preacher of Protestantism is a real "wing-ding" who preaches that Catholics aren't Christian ... when Catholics were the first ones to create the word Christian.

Hahahahahahaha
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437678 May 4, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't want to 'tear anyone apart'
You will wait to get "god" to do your dirty work for you.

:)
Religion - A Delusion

Titusville, FL

#437679 May 4, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="June VanDerMark" Preachers of many religions are right up front about the idea that a god or gods love them and will in the end of times reject others.
They aren't even ashamed of such blatant arrogance.
They just keep on preaching without so much as a new thought being allowed to enter.
**********
So sorry for you. God loves everyone, and invites them to come to Himself and receive eternal life.
If you don't want to accept His invitation, just do what you want, but don't accuse Him of rejecting you.
KayMarie
A prayer...

Dear God,

I pray that you end all cancer in humanity tomorrow.

God, please give us this as a sign of your love.

I pray that this poster - confrinting joins me in this prayer.

Amen
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437680 May 4, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
June VanDerMark:
I can agree with much of what you write.
Oftentimes, people are driven to regret and despair of being used, and find themselves quite alone in trying to reconcile the past.
I prefer to think it not the theologians, but rather all who live a life seeking power over others by whatever means they have onhand, that would seek to do such things.
Christians seek power over others. They are content to believe that others deserve punishment from "god" and Christians deserve the best of everything.

That is nothing else but seeking control over others.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#437681 May 4, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Clay"
What happened to the Apostles and where are their remains today?
Peter - crucified upside down -- buried at Saint Peters Basilica Catholic Church, Rome
James the Greater - stabbed in 44 AD - buried Saint James Catholic Church in Compostela, Spain
Thaddeus (Jude)- executed by firing squad (arrows)- buried in Rome at Saint Peter's Basilica.
Phillip - Crucified - buried at the (Catholic) Church of the Dadici, Rome
Thomas - stabbed with a spear - buried at Cathedral of Saint Thomas Catholic Church, Mylapore, India
Mathew - Crucified in Judea - buried at Saint Mathews Cathedral, Catholic Church in Messina, Sicily
James the Less, first Bishop of Jerusalem 50AD- stoned to death 65 AD - buried at Holy Apostles Catholic Basilica, Rome
John - died a natural death - buried at Basilica of Saint John, Ephesus, Turkey
Paul - Beheaded in Rome - buried at Saint Paul's Catholic Church in Rome.
Simon - stabbed with a sword - buried at the Alter of the Crucifixion, Vatican.
Bartholomew - Crucified - buried at Saint Bartholomew Catholic Church in Rome.
Andrew - Crucified on X shaped cross - buried at Cathedral of Amalfi Catholic Church, Italy
Matthias - Crucified in Judea - buried at Abbey of Saint Matthias, Trier, Germany
Judas - suicide - remains unknown
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What does this have to do with that post?
KM
It doesn't directly. But I wanted to post this to Ella, who i believe to be a sincere Christian and respectable poster.

She posted the Webster definition of the Catholic/Roman/Romanist/Papist Church and i wanted to remind her of where the bones of the Apostles lay. And its not beneath your Pentecostal compound Kay.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#437682 May 4, 2013
who="June VanDerMark"
Would you have welcomed Hermeneutics Smutics back if said poster had claimed to vow to never read anything that favored "Protestants?"
My guess is ... NOT ... with ALL capital letters.
**********

Hermeneutics is Christ-like in his approach to discussion. He presents Christianity, not a fight.

But I have welcomed the Catholics back also; right Regina?

KM

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#437683 May 4, 2013
who="June VanDerMark"
Then may I suggest you put the Catholic-Christians first, and your less than holy self second?
Silly people!!!

**********

Try it. You will like it.

KM
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437684 May 4, 2013
If I try to be as kind to my neighbors as my selfish state allows, my guess is, if there just happens to be an all knowing creator, the creator will respect my decision to not be in any religious cults that fight with each other over who deserves eternal bliss and who deserves eternal punishment.

If that is not the case, then so be it. I would rather go to my death void of religion than to be plagued with it.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#437685 May 4, 2013
who="Dan"
You all don't believe that you partake in Christ at the Eucharist.
Did you just consign yourself to the nether regions here, Kay?

**********

My faith is in Christ. I receive the communion BECAUSE I trust/obey Him. I do not believe that the bread and wine are how I 'receive' Him. If I did, I would have to receive enough of it to satisfy me...not just a taste/sip.

He is not in the nether regions, and I WILL BE WITH HIM where He is.

KayMarie
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437686 May 4, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
Try it. You will like it.
KM
You will learn that from me you will HAVE to take NO for an answer.

Do you want me to send a Jehovah's Witness to your home, bible in hand?

Is that enough of a threat for you?

:)
Human Being

Ville Platte, LA

#437687 May 4, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Christians seek power over others. They are content to believe that others deserve punishment from "god" and Christians deserve the best of everything.
That is nothing else but seeking control over others.
June VanDerMark:

"Well, I don't know what will happen now. We've got some difficult days ahead. But it doesn't really matter with me now. Because I've been to the mountaintop. I don't mind. Like anybody, I would like to live - a long life; longevity has its place. But I'm not concerned about that now. I just want to do God's will. And He's allowed me to go up to the mountain. And I've looked over. And I've seen the Promised Land. I may not get there with you. But I want you to know tonight, that we, as a people, will get to the Promised Land. So I'm happy, tonight. I'm not worried about anything. I'm not fearing any man. Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord."

Martin Luther King, the night before he was killed.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#437688 May 4, 2013
Religion - A Delusion wrote:
<quoted text>
A prayer...
Dear God,
I pray that you end all cancer in humanity tomorrow.
God, please give us this as a sign of your love.
I pray that this poster - confrinting joins me in this prayer.
Amen
GET OUTTA HERE!

:)
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#437689 May 4, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
You are so sorry for me that you salivate at the thought of me burning in hell.
Your attitude is ... "That will FIX you for not obeying my sermons of wisdom. SO THERE ... TAKE THAT AND THAT AND THAT from MY god."
One of my favorite bands in Jr High was Slayer (not good for a Catholic school kid). The guitarist just died on Thursday. The guy was sorta demonic. He even wore an upside down cross on his sleeve.
Anyway, I felt a real emptiness yesterday, because i was pretty sure i knew where he was now.
No true Christian would ever 'salivate at the thought' of ANYONE burning in hell.
And believe me June, I had Preston or Confint (can't remember) tell me that I'll be burning in the pit of hell while they'll be watching from a balcony with Peter. That is disgusting for anyone to say.
OldJG said I'll wake up in hell with the Popes and then I'll remember that HE was right!! Because that's what it all comes down to: they really really want to be right. So much so, that they'll sacrifice all reason and logic and take delight in another humans suffering so as long as that human will be forced to look them in the eye and acknowledge that they were right.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#437690 May 4, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
Anthony....and other misdirected Catholics:
The Roman Empire legally recognized Pauline Christianity as a valid religion in 313 AD. Later in that century, in 380 AD, Roman Catholicism became the official religion of the Roman Empire. During the following 1000 years, Catholics were the only people recognized as Christians.
Question: If, as you believe, Christ built the Catholic Church when He said "I will build my church"...why did it take Him,almost 400 years to do So!!!!!????
All those early Christians who referred to themselves as members of the Catholic Church for almost 300 years before AD 380 must not have seen your memo.

All historical evidence shows the earliest Christians called themselves Catholic and members of the Catholic Church and professed belief in Catholic doctrine.

There does not exist one shred of historical evidence of ANY fundamentalist evangelical protestant persons, groups or denominations OR anyone referring to themselves as such. Not one shred of evidence exists of ANY Christian holding to reformed protestant beliefs of sola scriptura, sola fide, invisible Church, symbolic Eucharist, symbolic baptism, etc.

Question: If the earliest Christians who were taught by the apostles, passed on their teaching, copied and preserved their writings (the NT) and all believed as the Catholic Church teaches, why do today's protestants insist they know the scriptures better 2000 years later?

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