Roman Catholic church only true churc...

Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 599565 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Dan

Omaha, NE

#437422 May 3, 2013
chuck wrote:
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And......
The bread is Jesus' sacrifice for the sins of the world. Unless a person "partakes" through faith in Jesus' death, he cannot have eternal life.
Just because the catholic folks think they were the first, doesn't mean they got it right.
Jesus sacrificed bread for the sins of the world?

I think the Catholic take on this stands up better than that one, chuck.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#437423 May 3, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Dan"
He said that once. Clearly allegorical.
He said it was His body many times and did not clarify to the contrary even when confronted with dissent.
All of Christendom knew what He meant until the Reformation.
Amazing, really, that the "bible alone" crowd works so fervently to deny Christ's clear words and limit what He can and cannot do to fulfill His promise to us.
**********
Clear words: Jesus declared that when one ate food, it was carried out in the draught (eliminated). You think you are saved by 'eating' food.
The communion is a process of "communion of the saints", as they share the gospel and the memorial Passover with each other.
KayMarie
Um, no-Communion is a communion with Christ, not the seat-filler in the pew next to you or with bread.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#437424 May 3, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Self - why do you reject it?
Self-why do you interject it?
Just sayin

Antioch, TN

#437425 May 3, 2013
chuck wrote:
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"The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life".
Are you saying that Jesus' Flesh profits nothing? Wasn't His Flesh sacrificed for us on the cross that we might be in heaven one day? Is our salvation "nothing"?

The words Jesus spoke also include those recorded in John 6:27-62.

Are you saying that after Jesus repeatedly commanded that we are to eat of His Flesh and drink His Blood, he then did a 180 and essentially said "never mind what I was saying before, I didn't really mean all that."

Doesn't believing in Jesus mean to believe He said what He meant and meant what He said?
Or do we get to "correct" Him by deciding for Him what He *meant* to say?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#437426 May 3, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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No.
I asked for "Citations" - plural. You provided one - from some guy name "Dave" - which I presume that you agree and accept his theology.
So, why is it that you don't believe Jesus? There must be a reason.
You can be honest with me.
The link cites and excerpts 8 scholarly works by protestants RE: historical belief and practice concerning the Eucharist.

8 is plural. Even Jesus thinks 8 is plural.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#437427 May 3, 2013
Because the bible teaches that there is a heaven and a hell, there can be no level playing field ... no middle place ... no balance in the making.

The self-perceived ones grab heaven for their state of being in the afterlife ... AMEN ... period ... end of story!

Such is their insatiable LUST to be perceived as worthy, holy vessels of salvation.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#437428 May 3, 2013
chuck wrote:
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John 6:33 For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” 34 They said to him,“Sir, give us this bread always.”
35 Jesus said to them,“I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe.
**Clearly if we read, notice how partaking of bread Jesus is offering is equated to believing in him. Amazing how the catholic crowd can't see this.
Um, the passage says "the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world". That's Jesus, not the Wonder Bread delivery truck driver.

Clearly, if we read, Christ is the bread of life.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#437429 May 3, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Since you believe this, and with this, a "destruction" is also supposed to occur.
Why do you want people to die?
new age philosophy holds that the earth will experience a cleansing of negativity and of all things contrary to a coming euphoria. the Bible pretty much teaches the same thing, only the negative and contrary groups are reversed!

word to the wise - get on the side of the One who was able to flood & win, not on the side of those who were flooded and lost!

"as it was in the days of Noah so shall it be in the end" Jesus
Dan

Omaha, NE

#437430 May 3, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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The twists of Catholicism.
What do you mean by reasonable.
Within reason.

I didn't mention "reasonable", so not sure why you asked me.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#437431 May 3, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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i'm just a recipient of the grace of God through Jesus Christ
Of course you are. And only other are evil scumbags fit for hell ... RIGHT???

Arrogance is your choice and dragging along in the stupidity of your theology goes your brain.
Just sayin

Antioch, TN

#437432 May 3, 2013
marge wrote:
This is my body. Not literally, as the Catholics and Luther contend, but represents my body. We interpret it as we do his other sayings: The seed is the word (Lu 8:11); The field is the world (Mt 13:38); The harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels (Mt 13:39); I am the door (Joh 10:9); I am the vine (Joh 15:5). So, too, at this very feast, the Jews was wont to say of the paschal lamb, This 'is' the body of the lamb which our fathers ate in Egypt. Not the same, but this is meant to represent and commemorate that. He could not have meant that the bread was his real body, because his body was present at the table breaking the loaf, and he was speaking and acting in person among them. The doctrine of the Real Presence is every way unreasonable.
"The impossibility of a figurative interpretation is brought home more forcibly by an analysis of the following text: "Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed" (John 6:54-56). It is true that even among the Semites, and in Scripture itself, the phrase, "to eat some one's flesh", has a figurative meaning, namely, "to persecute, to bitterly hate some one". If, then, the words of Jesus are to be taken figuratively, it would appear that Christ had promised to His enemies eternal life and a glorious resurrection in recompense for the injuries and persecutions directed against Him. "

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05573a.htm

Why do you think that Jesus, God the Son, could not turn the bread into His Body?
What else do you think is beyond Him?
chuck

Dublin, OH

#437433 May 3, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Jesus sacrificed bread for the sins of the world?
I think the Catholic take on this stands up better than that one, chuck.
I've noticed with you Danny that when you can't give a rebuttal you go sarcastic on folks. Nice

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#437434 May 3, 2013
I wonder how brain-cells are affected by those in religion.

I wonder if the highs of euphoric illusions also put the brain-cells into state of euphoria as occurs with the hypnotized believers?

However ... as many people in religion also commit suicide, it seems it can work either way, in that having faith in religion can also cause disappointment IN the religion itself to end in tragedy.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#437435 May 3, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Anthony MN"
What's true? A protestant who's divorced has to go through an anullment in order to marry a Catholic in the Church.
**********
So...still god, huh? You can turn bread and wine into flesh and blood, and you can turn married (polluted) into 'virgin'?
(The bread and wine ARE His flesh and blood BECAUSE HE SAYS THEY ARE...NOT BECAUSE YOU PERFORMED SOME MIRACLE.)
Such power...
KayMarie
Such idiocy.

Who believes that it's anyone BUT God who makes these things possible?

Marge doesn't think it's possible for the bread and wine to be His flesh and blood. She said it's "unreasonable". Chuck likewise. He thinks Christ wasn't capable of clarity in His speech, so he wants to tell us what Christ REALLY meant when He said it was His body 6-8 times.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#437436 May 3, 2013
chuck wrote:
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I've noticed with you Danny that when you can't give a rebuttal you go sarcastic on folks. Nice
You said bread was the sacrifice. You also have said that communion isn't His body and blood. Bread's all you're left with, isn't it?

Hardly sarcastic. Did I misunderstand your post?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#437437 May 3, 2013
chuck wrote:
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I've noticed with you Danny that when you can't give a rebuttal you go sarcastic on folks. Nice
Here's what you said:

"The bread is Jesus' sacrifice for the sins of the world. "

Absent His Real Presence, what are you left with BUT bread?
chuck

Dublin, OH

#437438 May 3, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Um, the passage says "the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world". That's Jesus, not the Wonder Bread delivery truck driver.
Clearly, if we read, Christ is the bread of life.
I never said the passage didn't say that Danny. I'm here to help you understand it.

John 6:33 For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” 34 They said to him,“Sir, give us this bread always.”
35 Jesus said to them,“I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe.

**Clearly if we read, notice how partaking of bread Jesus is offering is equated to believing in him. Amazing how the catholic crowd can't see this.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#437439 May 3, 2013
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Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#437440 May 3, 2013
For years Mother Teresa had no faith. She had to force herself against her will to believe in the existence of a god.

Had she openly admitted those beliefs to the public when alive ... what would have happened to her is any body's guess. But she kept her secret well, and never wanted it exposed even after her death.

Perception is often fooled as humans learn young to be professional actors with other actors leading the way.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#437441 May 3, 2013
chuck wrote:
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I never said the passage didn't say that Danny. I'm here to help you understand it.
John 6:33 For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” 34 They said to him,“Sir, give us this bread always.”
35 Jesus said to them,“I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe.
**Clearly if we read, notice how partaking of bread Jesus is offering is equated to believing in him. Amazing how the catholic crowd can't see this.
I understand it just fine, thanks.

How is partaking of His flesh and blood somehow mutually exclusive from believing in Him?

It isn't.

If you believe in Him, I'd assume that you would take Him at His (oft-repeated) word that we are to partake in His body and blood for salvation. This isn't the case with protestants and I don't understand why that would be. It's "black letter scripture" and you all treat it as throwaway lines.

You construct an entire theology reliant upon one line in Timothy, and then turn around and disabuse the direct, repeated and emphatic words of Christ on this matter. Doesn't compute.

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