Roman Catholic church only true churc...

Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 693132 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Pad

Fishers, IN

#437018 May 2, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
The World’s Sixteen Crucified Saviors … Christianity before Christ, by Kersey Graves … first published in 1875.
A historical view of the divinity of Jesus Christ.
A most fatal distrust is thrown upon the miraculous portions of the history of Jesus Christ, as found in his Gospel narratives, by the discovery of the fact (brought to light through recent archaeological researches), that the same marvelous feats, the same miraculous incidents, which were recorded in his life, were long previously ingrafted into the sacred biographies of Gods and demigods no less adored and worshipped as beings possessing divine attributes.
Counterfeits do not annul the fact that there is NOT in fact ONE true reality,of the one,the counterfeits are mimmicking.

NO evidence of counterfeits replace the real McCoy!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#437019 May 2, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Because on forums we don't see body language, facial expressions, or tones of voice, it is easy to take the wrong meaning from what people post.
It I took the wrong meaning from what you intended, when you didn't mean it as an insult, I apologize.
I've assumed wrong before, and I expect I'll do it again. But it's not on purpose. It's simply that I don't get it right.
Sorry.
No worries and I appreciate your candidness and apology.

I'm always open for questions of clarity, if you don't quite understand something I post.

Cheers!
Human Being

Oberlin, LA

#437020 May 2, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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I don't believe you. Your intent was plain. You knew my daughter committed suicide and you put her poem on to get a response from me. Your method was underhanded and cruel.
Had you been up front you would have made it plain to begin with that my daughter wrote that poem ... but you added your own words at the end as a message to me ... "Be kind" as though that was part of her poem.
By how you behaved, were not kind in any sense of the word.
June VanDerMark:

You need not believe me. I did know your daughter committed suicide, but did not mention it, as at this time, you may not desire to discuss it.

But I thought the poems you wrote were very touching to the heart. And I would like to hear more of them, if ever you decide to write them.

I am so glad some have responded to your own revelation that she did commit suicide, with kind thoughts. And that you accepted them.

Be kind.

My son twice tried to commit suicide.

And I have thought about it, when I suffered for a year with back pain. I could not lay down, sit, or stand for more than 20 minutes without excruciating pain. The painkillers were so strong, I couldn't function. In my mind, I thought, if the operation I had, did not relieve some of the pain, I would rather be dead.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#437021 May 2, 2013
Turn humans loose in religion and many will fight to the death in the claim that they know the one and only truth of the hereafter and that THEY will be the ones favored by the gods.

More serial killers were leaders of religions than can ever be counted, and they waxed proud in the claims of owning truth, as their swords "mean"while dripped with the blood of victims.

For the most part it seems the only thing we learn from history is how to keep repeating the same patterns and then wondering why the results are always the same.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#437022 May 2, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus founded the Catholic Church. Why do you think His Church should be called a cult?
No - texts were written about Jesus, and men decided upon which teachings that should be used, in the catholic church they formed.

In Jesus' world, he taugh much more than what Catholics utilize.

Wanna rephrase your statement?
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#437023 May 2, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
No worries and I appreciate your candidness and apology.
I'm always open for questions of clarity, if you don't quite understand something I post.
Cheers!
Thank you, and I appreciate your acknowledgment.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#437024 May 2, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Counterfeits do not annul the fact that there is NOT in fact ONE true reality,of the one,the counterfeits are mimmicking.
NO evidence of counterfeits replace the real McCoy!
But the question you maybe should ask of your self, is if you believe that other people's religions are counterfeit, why do you not believe your own is counterfeit?

That is the question I asked my self that finally made me realize that my belief was not special to anyone but me.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#437025 May 2, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text> for a clear conscience,a conscience healed by the love of a Creator,
Many people in religion have no active conscience. If they did, they would not kill to defend religious dogmas. They would ask questions of the dogmas and state in the affirmative. "I shouldn't be killing others just because they want their own beliefs to fit for their selves."

People didn't and many still don't honor that freedom of expression in others.

Like spoiled tantrum-throwing children they demand that others believe as they believe, or die.

How crazy is that ... to fight to the death over defending myths???
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#437026 May 2, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
No - texts were written about Jesus, and men decided upon which teachings that should be used, in the catholic church they formed.
I agree. Even had Jesus existed, which I don't believe occurred ... it would have been long after his death that the Catholics started writing supposed quotes uttered by the supposed savior of ONLY those of the Catholic faith.

I could swear right now that one of my deceased neighbors said such and such and such, and make up the most flamboyant story, and my neighbor would not be able to come to her own defend and say "I never would have said something of the sort! You made that up!!!"

And who would know that I had just made up a huge lie?
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#437027 May 2, 2013
defence

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#437028 May 2, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
I can't figure out why the god of the Jews that created evil didn't smite those ex-Jew Catholic traitors for telling such obnoxious lies.
Maybe he understood and felt compassion in the idea that the Catholics wanted him replaced with a Catholic god, but just didn't know how to go about it ... with that one-god dogma getting in their way.
:)
Read the Bible. I believe it states how many from the families of Israel will go to heaven.

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#437029 May 2, 2013
Lexis123 wrote:
I respect the Catholic church.. But there is no process to prove this. What about the first churches that existed before Catholism existed?
There is only one Church. That is the body of Believers that believe in Christ Jesus as their savior. Denomination, church buildings, or even the Vadican is not a church, they are church buildings or groups that have departed the teachings of the bible.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#437030 May 2, 2013
Common sense should indicate to those with active consciences that a faithful Jew would have no reason to start a new religion. He would however try to straighten out those who yearned to wander away and start a new religion by encouraging them to come back to the Jewish fold.

Catholicism would never have entered the mind of a faithful Jew, even HAD Jesus existed.

It just would NOT occur.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#437031 May 2, 2013
My Portal wrote:
<quoted text>Read the Bible. I believe it states how many from the families of Israel will go to heaven.
ONLY if they become Christians ... and Catholic Christians to be specific.

Yet the supposed savior was a Jew.

If you keep telling your self lies, you won't see anything other than the lies.

Since: Apr 13

Meycauayan, Philippines

#437032 May 2, 2013
If thats so then saying that they are the only true Church is a biased opinion. Its like your mother telling you you are the most gorgeous in the world even if you are not. :)
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#437033 May 2, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
No - texts were written about Jesus, and men decided upon which teachings that should be used, in the catholic church they formed.
In Jesus' world, he taugh much more than what Catholics utilize.
Wanna rephrase your statement?
Not really. We know the who, what, where, when and whys of the Church. We know what they taught and how those teachings came to be. None of the protestants, gnostics or agnostics/atheists can say that about their beliefs.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#437034 May 2, 2013
My Portal wrote:
<quoted text>There is only one Church.
Maybe if you refer to the word synagogue rather than church, you will better understand that had Jesus lived, he would have been a faithful rabbi.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#437035 May 2, 2013
The Catholics compiled the data in the new testament which they didn't finish until the fourth century. Imagine how many lies they managed to conjure during all that time, as some died and other picked up their pens and carried on, to start an "impressive" offshoot religion of Judaism.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#437036 May 2, 2013
My Portal wrote:
<quoted text>There is only one Church. That is the body of Believers that believe in Christ Jesus as their savior. Denomination, church buildings, or even the Vadican is not a church, they are church buildings or groups that have departed the teachings of the bible.
I believe in Jesus as my Saviour. The Catholic Church teaches Jesus is our Saviour. But I'll bet you have the opinion that we have departed from the teachngs of the bible. What makes you the authority?

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#437037 May 2, 2013
906 806
hojo wrote:
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You, Ox just continue to read your Protestant (bible only)"fiction" history as you always have! Your sola scriptura inconsistent, and contradicting Protestants, who are living in a world of denial of the truth, confusion and bible only chaos!!!
Your post edited for space...

First:
The history of the Romans persecuting, Christians, and not Catholics, because there were no Catholic, is well documented and you know it: Excerpt:

In its first three centuries, the Christian church endured regular (though not constant) persecution at the hands of Roman authorities. This experience, and its resulting martyrs and apologists, would have significant historical and theological consequences for the developing faith.

References

Lk 6:22-23
Epistle 10 (to Emperor Trajan), 96 (in Bettenson et al, Documents of the Christian Church, p. 3).
Epistle 76, Ante-Nicene Fathers 5.403.
"The tradition of martyrdom has entered deep into the Christian consciousness." Kenneth Scott Latourette, A History of Christianity, Volume I: Beginnings to 1500, rev. ed.(Prince Press, 2000), p. 81.
Mark Galli, "The Persecuting Emperors." Christian History, Issue 27 (Vol. XI, No. 3), p. 20.
Maurice M. Hassatt, "Martyr." The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. IX (Robert Appleton Company, 1910).
Everett Ferguson, "Did You Know?" Christian History, Issue 27 (Vol. XI, No. 3), inside cover.
Robert L. Wilkin, "The Piety of the Persecutors." Christian History, Issue 27 (Vol. XI, No. 3), p. 18.
Ibid.
Ibid., p. 19.
Latourette, p. 82.
cf. Augustine, City of God, 18.52.
Henry Bettenson and Chris Maunder, eds., Documents of the Christian Church, 3rd. ed.(Oxford UP, 1999), p. 2.
Tertullian, Ad nat., 1.7.
"Nero." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005. "Christianity." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005.
Suetonius, Domitian, 15.
Philip Schaff, "Persecutions under Marcus Aurelius. a.d. 161–180." History of the Christian Church, 2.2.20.
William H.C. Frend, "Persecution in the Early Church." Christian History, Issue 27 (Vol. XI, No. 3), p. 7.
Ibid.
Ibid, p. 8.
Ibid., p. 9.
"Decius, Gaius Messius Quintus Trajanus." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005.
Maurice M. Hassatt, "Martyr." The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. IX (Robert Appleton Company, 1910).
"Diocletian." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005.
Dialogue with Trypho the Jew, 110.
"Apologist." Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2005.

Books on Persecution of the Early Church

J.C. Rolfe (trans.), Suetonius: The Lives of the Caesars, trans. from Latin, vol. 2 (1914), Book 6.
John Jackson (trans.), Tacitus: The Annals, trans. from Latin, vol. 3-4 (1931-37), Books 12-16
Miriam T. Griffin, Nero: The End of a Dynasty (1984)
Joyce E. Salisbury, Perpetua's Passion: The Death and Memory of a Young Roman Woman.
John Wagner, The Big Book of Martyrs: Amazing but True Tales of Faith in the Face of Certain Death!
G. W. Bowersock, Martyrdom and Rome.
Joyce E. Salisbury, Blood of Martyrs: Unintended Consequences of Ancient Violence.
Everett Ferguson, Church and State in the Early Church (Studies in Early Christianity).
C. Bernard Ruffin, The Days of the Martyrs: A History of the Persecution of Christians from Apostolic Times to the Time of Constantine.
Frank J. Korn, The Tiber Ran Red: The Age of the Roman Martyrs.
Reinhard Selinger, The Mid-Third Century Persecutions of Decius and Valerian.
Herbert Brook Workman, Persecution in the Early Church.

This info is not Protestant (bible only)"fiction" history as you well know.

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