Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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I don't blame a god for the abuse. That's an excuse. I also don't praise a god for being merciful, as that also is an excuse.
I don't believe that a creator had any part in a plan so obnoxious as what occurs on earth ... so for me it's a safe bet to believe there's a better explanation of which humans can't by flighty imagination control.
Well June that is better, you are stating your own opinion.
I respect that.
You have made a choice to believe what you do, I have made a choice to believe what I do.
I do believe people make choices to do good or bad, and use their free will to do so, its not rocket science June.
God is about forgiveness, now I can choose to forgive someone for hurting me or I can retaliate and hurt back.
I can exercise my free will and make a choice what I will do.
I am not responsible for what someone else does, but I am responsible for my actions, and that is what will effect my life,
I will have to live with the knowledge I have hurt someone, when it would be easier to forgive.
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Anger and resentment at the Church because of your husband's actions isn't healthy. You should try some counseling.
You missed the point completely but wait a week you'll catch the point I was making
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I remember my wedding. The Church said, if they detect any alcohol prior to the Wedding Mass, they'll cancel it.
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YET IT WAS ALRIGHT TO DRINK WINE (alcohol) IN THE CEREMONY ....RIGHT
OR WERE YOU SERVED.."THE FRUIT OF THE VINE" IN-FERMENTED GRAPE JUICE
AS JESUS USED IN THE UPPER ROOM WHEN HE GAVE IT TO HIS APOSTLES...
YOUR DOUBLE STANDARD OF RITUALS NEVER CEASE TO AMAZE ME.
Jesus and His disciples drank fermented wine.
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Vatican Radio transcript and translation of the Holy Fatherís Wednesday Audience catechesis:

Dear brothers and sisters, Good Day!,
Today, May 1st, we celebrate Saint Joseph the Worker and begin the month traditionally dedicated to Our Lady. In our encounter this morning, I want to focus on these two figures, so important in the life of Jesus, the Church and in our lives, with two brief thoughts: the first on work, the second on the contemplation of Jesus
1. In the Gospel of St. Matthew, in one of the moments when Jesus returns to his town, to Nazareth, and speaks in the synagogue, the amazement of his fellow townspeople at his wisdom is emphasized, and the question they ask: "Is not this the carpenter's son? "(13:55). Jesus comes into our history is among us, born of Mary by the power of God, but with the presence of Saint Joseph, the legal father who cares for him and also teaches him his work. Jesus is born and lives in a family, in the Holy Family, learning the craft of carpenter from Saint Joseph in his workshop in Nazareth, sharing with him the commitment, effort, satisfaction and also the difficulties of every day.
This reminds us of the dignity and importance of work. The book of Genesis tells us that God created man and woman entrusting them with the task of filling the earth and subduing it, which does not mean exploiting it, but nurturing and.....

http://www.news.va/en/news/audience-on-may-1s...

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What about the monsters who covered it up for so long?
Cardinal Law for example. What makes anyone believe God wants Cardinal Law to be honored so much by "his" church?
It's delusional.
As Roman Catholics, both Ollie and I do our best to be our best in our Faith.

As such, we firmly believe that anyone who, as you say 'covered it up for so long' Really and Truly did so, then they deserve to be judged for what they did and when they went before GOD they got what they deserved. Ultimately, and we are not the judges here, GOD is the final judge (Justice is Mine, sayeth the Lord), and hell would be one place of two where they would have gone. We believe that those who profess to be followers of Jesus Christ and practice their belief in words only and Not actions...deserve to go to hell.

You should readUP 'Dante's Inferno'. At the time Dante wrote his works, he came up with there being ten (10) rings as making up hell with the lesser-sinning person being at the upper ring.

Guess who he had in the lowest ring....why, he had the pope of his day.

So you see, both Stanley and I try to use common sense in most ALL things except when it comes to dealing with hateful, hypocritical, hAtheistic schidt-for-brains hereIN. In such cases, we nail their arses to the wall.

GOD Bless

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From my perception serial killers will not stop until they are stopped by others.

The serial killers in religion, such as the popes, Luther, and Calvin never stopped killing others. They used the excuse that the others were heretics or witches, and they kept on killing.

The Protestants and Catholics would still probably be killing each other had not the founding fathers separated church from government.

Serial killers come in many guises as history proved and many times those guises were/are clothed in religion.

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Well June that is better, you are stating your own opinion.
I respect that.
Personal belief is always about stating an opinion.

Just because you believe in a creator, that doesn't mean your belief is based on solidity. It just means it's your belief.

And likewise for me. I don't believe in the existence of a creator, but I have no idea if what I believe is true or false.

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Do you believe that a creator would want you to be a representative of moral behavior?
.....Yes.....

But NOT you. You profess to be an hAtheist, therefore have No morals. Your messages prove as much.

On the other hand, there is no such thing as an atheist:

.....Agnostic = YES

.....hAtheist = YES

.....atheist = NO

.....wannabeeAtheist = YES

WHO made the dirt!!!!!

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I guess this bears repeating....RE: The SEXUAL ABUSE scandal: The Vatican has all of these parish priests exposed for their sexual crimes against innocent children they were entrusted to shepherd and train up in the ways of the Lord. The Vatican comes up with a 'brilliant' solution: 1) rather than removing the perpetrators of the sexual abuse, you simply move them to another parish and what? hope they don't get caught the next time. 2) to address damage control you erect billboards and sign s,and take out ads in newspapers telling former Catholics,'come back and we will welcome you with open arms', Come on!! How stupid do you think people really are? People don't want to attend churches were their family members may be at risk. Trust has been broken. Integrity has been stripped away. The veil of deception still remains. And what about the innocent lives of those children (some now adults) whom your priests committed those sexual crimes against? Did you think your 'hush money' to the victims will undo the grievous physical, emotional, social, financial and spiritual WOUNDS they must now bare (some for the rest of their lives)? Lastly, what about the gospel message? Don't you think that the Vatican's solutions and their priests actions have mocked God and His Word and branded those Catholics who are seriously embracing their belief and walk with the Lord? Not to mention those currently in seminary. How does the Vatican justify and rationalize this? How will priests now address their contributions to society's ills from their pulpits? These are grievous WOUNDS committed against God, man, local communities and society at large! They cannot be swept under the rug.
.....Instead of speaking in Generalities, and instead of writing 'all of these parish priests exposed'...why don't you comeUP with some REAL statistics / numbers.

Then do your homework and come up with the numbers of Popes, Cardinals, Bishops, Priests, Monks, Brothers, Sisters, Laypeople that have come down the pipes over the past 2000 years.

If you could put things in proper perspective, then maybe...just maybe someone will pay attention to you.

In the meantime, you are fulla schidt to the eyeballs and Stanley says that when it comes to you there's more brains in a bottle of wadda.

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The priest officiating my daughter's and my son's wedding said the same thing. They were both at least 90 minutes long. The last protestant wedding I was at took 15 minutes.
Well Anthony I have too. but I have been at weddings in different church denominations which have gone 2 hours or more.
People have passed out.
In one church a baby was crying the whole time.
My daughters wedding was an hour and a half.
I think some times people want it rushed because of the short time they have and its a last minute thing.
The pastor just fitted them in.
Weddings are so beautiful why would one want to just spend 15 minutes, to make vows to someone you will hopefully spend the rest of your life with.
Maybe its about money sometimes, Some people don't have a lot of money.
It cost money to rent the church.

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An elderly woman shared her story of being a minister's wife and believing what she was taught was based on truth.

One day her minister-husband was in a vehicle accident that badly affected his brain to where he was not the same man. He lost his position as a representative of "god," and life took a drastic change.

She could no longer relate to her mess-up husband and eventually became involved with another man. The very ones who supported her when she was the minister's wife became her most harsh judges.

Years later, after much assessment from the outside of religion looking in, she became an Atheist and died with no belief whatsoever in any of the many images of gods.
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From my perception serial killers will not stop until they are stopped by others.
The serial killers in religion, such as the popes, Luther, and Calvin never stopped killing others. They used the excuse that the others were heretics or witches, and they kept on killing.
The Protestants and Catholics would still probably be killing each other had not the founding fathers separated church from government.
Serial killers come in many guises as history proved and many times those guises were/are clothed in religion.
Actually it was the Catholics and the Protestants that 'cleanedUP' ALL the schidt in ALL countries that eventually became civilized.

Mind you the Irish Catholics ran the Police forces and the Mafias, while the Protestants ran the banks for the Jews....everywhere.

But the greatest and the worst mass murderers were wannabeeAtheists such as Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, SodamnInsane, Ghaddaffffiiiiii, and several others.

ALL mass murderers and serial killers today are hAtheists.

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.....Yes.....
Thank you.

I thought that would be your answer.
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confrinting with the word wrote:
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Yawn...You and your wife are proficient in lying.
Other Christian movements have suffered similar scandals, but Pentecostalism seems particularly rife with them. Insiders know some of the reasons. Deeply embedded within the Pentecostal movementís ethos is a cult of personality; charismatic leaders are put on pedestals above accountability and are often virtually worshiped by many of their followers.
Too few courses in basic ethics are required in Pentecostal colleges (perhaps because many Pentecostals, especially older ones, assume that being Spirit-filled guarantees right behavior), and too many pastors handle the churchesí money and travel alone without having to account for their whereabouts or activities. Itís the movementís own dirty little secret: sexual promiscuity and financial misconduct are rampant within its ranks, and little is done about this unless a scandal becomes public.
Several Pentecostal denominations have instituted policies to handle cases of pastoral moral turpitude and financial misconduct, but they have found those policies hard to enforce. At least one Pentecostal denomination has a policy that forbids investigation of charges that are more than five years old. One can only wonder why the leaders decided on that limit.
There is no body that regulates independent churches and ministers, but Pentecostal leaders could work harder to expose their colleagues who transgress and to warn their flocks (and others) against them. Far too much nervousness about powerful television and radio preachers infects well-intentioned and ethically sensitive Pentecostal leaders. Itís time for the movement to own up to its sometimes sleazy history and go the extra mile in cleaning house in the cases of ministers and evangelists who are less than honest and chaste. It should not be left to publications like Christianity Today and Charisma to reveal scandals involving Pentecostal ministers, evangelists and denominational executives.
Still another aspect of Pentecostalismís dark side is its tendency to condone dishonesty on the part of influential and popular evangelists and ministers. http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.as...
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PC says that that server does not exist.
Pentecostals do not cover up for those found in misbehavior.
We don't have a Cardinal Law...or any other of that sort.
KM
We don't know what goes on inside your compound. The Pentecostal 'village' by my house doesn't reveal too much about whats inside. I guarantee that if there was a crime, it would make page 12 of the community section of the paper. Whereas a mere accusation towards a Priest will be on the front page and lead the 6 o'clock news.

That's ok though. Its part of being in the Church that Christ started. Why would we expect anyone to embrace us??
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I guess this bears repeating....RE: The SEXUAL ABUSE scandal: The Vatican has all of these parish priests exposed for their sexual crimes against innocent children they were entrusted to shepherd and train up in the ways of the Lord. The Vatican comes up with a 'brilliant' solution: 1) rather than removing the perpetrators of the sexual abuse, you simply move them to another parish and what? hope they don't get caught the next time. 2) to address damage control you erect billboards and sign s,and take out ads in newspapers telling former Catholics,'come back and we will welcome you with open arms', Come on!! How stupid do you think people really are? People don't want to attend churches were their family members may be at risk. Trust has been broken. Integrity has been stripped away. The veil of deception still remains. And what about the innocent lives of those children (some now adults) whom your priests committed those sexual crimes against? Did you think your 'hush money' to the victims will undo the grievous physical, emotional, social, financial and spiritual WOUNDS they must now bare (some for the rest of their lives)? Lastly, what about the gospel message? Don't you think that the Vatican's solutions and their priests actions have mocked God and His Word and branded those Catholics who are seriously embracing their belief and walk with the Lord? Not to mention those currently in seminary. How does the Vatican justify and rationalize this? How will priests now address their contributions to society's ills from their pulpits? These are grievous WOUNDS committed against God, man, local communities and society at large! They cannot be swept under the rug.
Speaking of grievous wounds, check these out. They are sorted by protestant denomination including one called "various". Real nifty!

http://www.reformation.com/

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LTM wrote:
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Well Anthony I have too. but I have been at weddings in different church denominations which have gone 2 hours or more.
People have passed out.
In one church a baby was crying the whole time.
My daughters wedding was an hour and a half.
I think some times people want it rushed because of the short time they have and its a last minute thing.
The pastor just fitted them in.
Weddings are so beautiful why would one want to just spend 15 minutes, to make vows to someone you will hopefully spend the rest of your life with.
Maybe its about money sometimes, Some people don't have a lot of money.
It cost money to rent the church.
Like my friends wedding in Vegas. We partied til 6 AM the night before and stumbled into the chapel that was inside a casino with a strip club below us... Holy Matrimony?? I think not.
(I was 22 and wouldn't do that today).
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Like my friends wedding in Vegas. We partied til 6 AM the night before and stumbled into the chapel that was inside a casino with a strip club below us... Holy Matrimony?? I think not.
(I was 22 and wouldn't do that today).
LOL you wouldn't be the first person to do that Clay.
the best lessons we learn are those we lived.

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That's ok though. Its part of being in the Church that Christ started. Why would we expect anyone to embrace us??
Had Jesus lived, he would have been dead before your church was started and rest assured that his last words on the cross would not have been "I am a Jew, but I died so people could become Catholics."

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LOL you wouldn't be the first person to do that Clay.
the best lessons we learn are those we lived.
But we don't understand others unless we live their lives.

A woman who was raised in the Philippines said that people don't understand how poverty changes rules of perceived morality. She went on to explain that some young women in the Philippines are proud to be prostitutes because the money supports their family members who otherwise would starve to death.

It's easy to preach a lofty sermon about morals when preachers have full stomachs.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

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Anger and resentment at the Church because of your husband's actions isn't healthy. You should try some counseling.

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The 'church' should not have supported her husband's actions. She has reason to resent it.

It didn't profit them, either. He is out of it.

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