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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 681694 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#436805 May 1, 2013
Ella wrote:
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My ex-husband and I were married in the Catholic Church. He later annulled our marriage so he could marry his girlfriend in the Catholic Church (which he did).
I've heard of the same thing happening to others.

Humans are selfish, and will often find loopholes in theology to suit their own needs.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#436806 May 1, 2013
It was ex-Catholic Luther's "reformation" that finally made the split "official", of which priests would not marry and stay Catholic, and which priests would marry and become Protestant.
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From the book, Eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven … Uta Ranke-Heinemann

The Evolution of Celibacy.

As for the priests in Germany, in 1525 the Mainz canon Karl von Bodmann noted an "almost unbelievable increase of licentiousness among the German clergy since proclamation of the new, so-called Gospel [of Luther]." The Augustinian monk had taken the problem of clerical marriage in hand; and the effect of his assaults on celibacy and monastic vows was so enormous that a wave of marrying swept over the whole clergy, as well as the monks and nuns. The first Reformers, with the exception of Melanchthon (d. 1560), were all priests. Even the famous humanist and priest Erasmus of Rotterdam (d. 1536), the second son of a priest and a physician's daughter, came down on the side of "tranforming concubines into wives" (De conscribendis episcopis 47).

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#436807 May 1, 2013
Ella wrote:
<quoted text>
My ex-husband and I were married in the Catholic Church. He later annulled our marriage so he could marry his girlfriend in the Catholic Church (which he did).
Didnt one of the Kennedys do that?
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#436808 May 1, 2013
One woman of the Protestant faith, told me that when she was a young woman she wanted to marry her best friend's fiancé... so she prayed that "god" would give her a sign if she was not supposed to tell the man how she felt. When she didn't receive any sign, she assured her self that "god" supported her in her quest to go after him ... and marry him she did.

He was a miserable husband who treated her as though she was his doormat.

So it went ... and so it goes.

Broken dreams.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#436809 May 1, 2013
From the book, Eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven …

Uta Ranke-Heinemann

The Evolution of Celibacy.

In 1542 when the papal nuncio Morone called Archbishop Albrecht of Brandenburg’s attention to the urgency of celibacy, the archbishop said:“I know that all my priests are living in concubinage. But what should I do to stop it? If I forbid them concubinage, they either want to have wives or become Lutherans”(cf. Morone’s letter to Cardinal Farnese, Monumenta Vaticana, edited by H. Laemmer, 1861, p. 412).
Regina

Lakewood, NJ

#436810 May 1, 2013
Preston wrote:
<quoted text>the TWO people that agreed with you are as clueless as you are reg. you cant call her a liar unless that you know her and know the facts behind her story, WHICH YOU DONT! that makes you a person who spreads false info without factual proof. It is commonly called a Gossiper, or in our neck of the woods, a woman who speaks over her laundry while it is hanging on a clothesline, and around here that aint complimentary
Excuse me, but I happen to know for a fact that no one, including her supposed ex-husband, was granted an annulment on the condition that he disown their children.
She lied, plain and simple.
No gossip about it.
What a pity that you had to attack me because she lied.
You would have been better off keeping quiet about something you know nothing about, Preston. I'm sorry for you.
Regina

Lakewood, NJ

#436811 May 1, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>Didnt one of the Kennedys do that?
How many times can someone divorce and remarry in the Orthodox Church? I seem to recall that it's three times, but could be mistaken.
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#436812 May 1, 2013
Where Is God’s Church?
by David C. Pack
Did Christ build one, unified, organized Church? Or is His Church divided? He said,“I will build My Church”—not “churches,”“fellowships,”“sect s,”“denominations” or “communities of believers.” He promised that the “gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Where is it and how is it identified? What and why is it? You need not be confused. Here are the plain answers!
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Jesus Christ declared,“I will build My Church”(Matt. 16:18). No matter how men interpret it, this passage speaks of a single church! Christ continued,“and the gates of hell [the grave] shall not prevail against it.” He promised that His Church could never be destroyed.
Over 2,000 different professing Christian church organizations have been “built” by men in the United States. Another is started every three days. Estimates place the number of professing Christians at above 2 billion. While church attendance seems to be increasing, it is not increasing as fast as the confusion surrounding the question of which is the right church.
While it has been said,“They can’t all be wrong,” it is more correct to say,“They cannot all be right.” If Christ built His Church as He said, then it can be found somewhere on earth today—and it is the only right Church. But we must ask: How do we find it—what do we look for—how do we identify it—how do we know it if we see it?
My mother required me to read many books when growing up. I spent many summers reading her assigned “book a week.” I enjoyed most of them and am very thankful she did this. On occasion, perhaps two or three times, I picked up the Bible and attempted to read it. But I never got far, because it made no sense to me. I simply could not understand the Bible.
Despite this lack of understanding, upon turning sixteen, I was “confirmed” into the church that I had been born into. I recall having to appear briefly before a panel of “deacons” to answer some questions, which I no longer remember. I do recall making some kind of general affirmation about this denomination, but I also remember that I was not concerned in the least with whether or not I was in the right church, or if I was fulfilling the Bible definition of a Christian.
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Neither of these questions remotely interested me. I did vaguely believe that God existed, but He was not real to me. I had certainly never attempted to build a personal relationship with Him or to find His true Church. I did not pray or study His Word for guidance or doctrinal instruction. These concerns did not enter my mind until a year and a half later, in 1966, when I heard a powerful voice on the radio that introduced me to Christ’s statement in Matthew 16:18. I began to question where I could find this true Church. I immediately realized that it had to exist because, through just basic study, I came to understand Christ’s promise that it would remain and could not be destroyed.
Traditions of Men
Christ said,“But in vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men”(Matt. 15:9). In Mark’s parallel account of this statement, He continued,“Full well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your own tradition”(7:9).
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LTM

Marathon, Canada

#436813 May 1, 2013
cont

The world’s Christianity is filled with traditions. One of the largest is the traditional view of the New Testament Church. Most ministers, theologians and religionists typically define the church in this way:“All those who sincerely believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior comprise the true Church.” This is often followed with the familiar statement,“There are many routes to heaven” or “There are many spokes on the wheel of salvation.” Though the Bible does not teach that heaven is the reward of the saved, the clear implication of these is that people can believe what they want, or be a part of any group that they choose, and still be Christians—still receive whatever is salvation. While people may sincerely believe these traditional ideas, they are sincerely wrong!
My research led me to absolute proof of where the Church was that Christ promised to build. I learned that this Church could be carefully traced through almost 2,000 years of New Testament history. I was shocked. I could not believe the Bible was so clear on a subject that confuses so many.
Your Bible declares,“God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints [the context shows this refers to all congregations of the true Church, not all organizations of men]”(I Cor. 14:33).
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#436814 May 1, 2013
cont
God’s Church (composed of many congregations of saints) was to reflect peace—not confusion. You need not be confused about the identity of the true Church. God commands,“Prove all things; hold fast that which is good”(I Thes. 5:21). While this certainly refers to scriptural matters (not the car you drive or house you buy), it does say that “ALL things,” not “some things,” should be proven! Surely God would not exclude something of such magnitude—such vital importance—as the matter of where His true Church is found. And He would never emphatically tell people to prove things that cannot be proven!

The more I studied the other doctrines of the Bible, the more I learned that the churches of this world were wrong—on virtually everything! One plain scripture after another contradicted each traditional “Christian” idea I had been taught. I was amazed—actually stunned—at how easy it was to find direct, clear, undeniable proof that even the most popular traditions of the big denominations were not based on the Bible—at all!

Each time I studied a Bible doctrine—salvation, baptism, who and what God is, the gospel, death and hell, law and sin, grace, being born again, the Christian Sabbath, the true origin of supposed “Christian” holidays, where the modern-day tribes of ancient Israel are found today, the sequence of prophetic events preceding Christ’s Return and so much more—I gained undeniable proof of what the Bible really taught! I was excited and fascinated. I found that the churches of this world were almost invariably confused on all these and many other plain points of Bible teaching. I came to realize that there had to be a church that correctly believed and practiced all the doctrines of the Bible.

I learned that this Church existed, and that the proof identifying it and setting it apart from all the churches of recognized, mainstream Christianity was no different than the proof of any other biblical doctrine.

cont
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#436815 May 1, 2013
cont
A Persecuted Little Flock

When speaking to His disciples about the importance of seeking the kingdom of God, Christ said,“Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom”(Luke 12:32). By no stretch can churches comprised of millions, let alone over 2 billion, be considered a “little flock.”

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Christ understood that His Church—His little flock—would be persecuted and despised by the world. Just before His crucifixion, He warned,“Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted Me, they will also persecute you”(John 15:20). In the previous verse in the context, Jesus had reminded His disciples that “I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.” Christ was persecuted, to the point of horrible crucifixion after a night of brutal torture. Therefore, the true Church could also expect to be persecuted—and hated! Those in it are not “of the world.” The world senses this and hates them for it (Rom. 8:7). Christ used Paul to record,“Yes, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution”(II Tim. 3:12). The word “all” means what it says!

Consider what we have just discussed. How many churches can you name that are small, persecuted, not of this world—and even hated because of it? Think about those you are familiar with. Do any fit this description? Surely not many!

The Importance of the Name of the Church

The world’s churches have many different names, which are derived in various ways. These include the particular doctrines they teach, the names of the men who founded them, the humanly-devised type of church government that they espouse, their location, or their intended scope and size, such as universal or catholic—in order to be thought of as all-encompassing.

On the night of His betrayal, Christ prayed for His Church. Here is what He said:“Holy Father, keep through your own name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one, as We are. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in your name…I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I pray not that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through Your truth: Your word is truth”(John 17:11-12, 14-17).
cont
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#436816 May 1, 2013
cont

There are twelve separate places where the New Testament records that the true Church has been kept in the name of the Father—God. The first five refer to the entire Church, or Body of Christ, as a whole. The next four speak of a specific local congregation, while using the same term “Church of God.” This may refer to the Church of God at Judea or Corinth, etc. The final three references speak collectively of all the individual local congregations combined. All these references use the term “Churches of God”:

(1) Acts 20:28: This verse is instruction to the elders to “feed the church of god.”

(2) I Corinthians 10:32:“Give none offense, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of god.”

(3) I Corinthians 11:22:“…or despise you the church of god, and shame them that have not?”

(4) I Corinthians 15:9: Paul wrote the same thing to two congregations:“For…I persecuted the church of god.”

(5) Galatians 1:13:“I persecuted the church of god.”

(6) I Corinthians 1:2:“the church of god which is at Corinth.”

(7) II Corinthians 1:1:“the church of god which is at Corinth.”

(8) I Timothy 3:5: Paul references any elder in a local congregation:“For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of god?”

(9) I Timothy 3:15:“…behave yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living god.” This verse adds a descriptive word to God by using the term “living.”

(10) I Corinthians 11:16:“…We have no such custom, neither the churches of god.”

(11) I Thessalonians 2:14:“For you…became followers of the churches of god which in Judea are in Christ Jesus.”

(12) II Thessalonians 1:4:“So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of god.”

In the modern age, for corporate reasons, the Church may use an additional descriptive name to distinguish itself from other “Churches of God”—those merely appropriating God’s name, but not obeying His commandments, believing His true doctrines or doing His Work. Herbert W. Armstrong, the twentieth-century leader of the Church, chose the name Worldwide Church of God and before that, Radio Church of God. We have chosen the name The Restored Church of God.

Just as various mainstream denominations may have a few correct doctrines mixed with much error, some appropriate to themselves the name of God’s Church. This booklet will later explain why some few churches may even have a significant amount of truth, but choose to accept a variety of false doctrines. Only one church on the face of the earth has the correct name and teaches all the additional many true doctrines that the Bible teaches! Recall that Christ prayed,“Sanctify them through Your truth: Your word is truth.” The Church that Christ works through, directs and guides is sanctified—set apart—by its belief of the plain truth of God’s Word!

In addition to carrying the name “Church of God,” we have seen that the true Church has come out of the world, is small and persecuted, even to the point of being hated by it. This Church is then also set apart by its beliefs and practices—which are in complete agreement with the truth of the Bible!
cont
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#436817 May 1, 2013
cont

Unified Through God’s Word

Men have their own differing definitions of what the Church actually is, but only the Bible definition—God’s definition—matters. Read it for yourself. Paul wrote to Timothy,“…that you may know how you ought to behave yourself in the house of God, which is the Church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth”(I Tim. 3:15). In the end, no other definition, devised by men, is acceptable. This definition of the Church Christ built will guide us throughout the remainder of this booklet. God’s Church has and teaches “the truth.”

We have discussed how this world’s churches are in confusion, divided by endless disagreement over doctrine and practice. Amos 3:3 asks,“Can two walk together, except they be agreed?” The answer is NO!

This world’s churches do not practice the principle of “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God”(Luke 4:4), exactly as written. Instead, since they follow the many differing traditions of men, endless disagreements separate, divide and create more and more churches of men. They generally do not “walk together,” because they do not “agree”—either with each other or God!

God’s Church is different. Many New Testament verses show that the Church Christ built is unified—with all its members and congregations walking together in complete agreement with each other, and with God and Christ.

An important point, demonstrating the unity of the true Church, emerges from Christ’s same prayer in John 17, on the night of His betrayal. He prayed,“And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also might be sanctified [set apart] through the truth…That they all may be one; as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be one in Us: that the world may believe that You have sent Me. And the glory which You gave Me I have given them; that they may be one, even as We are one: I in them, and You in Me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them, as You have loved Me”(vs. 19, 21-23).

These are powerful statements! Christ intended that His Church be unified—“one”—no less than were He and His Father! There is no room for disagreement in a Church that is this unified. These verses describe a perfect oneness through the truth—the same kind of oneness that the Father and Christ enjoy. It is this kind of unity that allows true Christians to be “in” them—be in Christ and the Father (vs. 21).

Even in the Old Testament, David was inspired to record,“Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity”(Psa. 133:1).

We now must examine several New Testament passages to see if, in fact, this kind of wonderful unity was apparent after the New Testament Church actually formed. Did God’s true servants teach and administer this kind of agreement? And how is that unity achieved?

First, notice this early picture of God’s Church. On the day of Pentecost, gathered in “one accord”(Acts 2:1), when the New Testament Church came into existence, 3,000 converts were baptized. They formed the very beginning of Christ’s building of His Church. The initial description given was “…and they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship”(vs. 42),“…all that believed were together”(vs. 44) and “…they, continuing daily with one accord…did eat their meat [food] with gladness and singleness of heart”(vs. 46). From these verses, we clearly see that the Church Christ built was unified—in agreement—over doctrine, and together. Notice verse 47:“And the Lord added to the Church daily such as should be saved.” In the Church Christ guides and directs, He is the One who adds to it, building it!
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Tiger Lily

Auckland, New Zealand

#436818 May 1, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
Jesus and His disciples drank fermented wine.
We would be well to let the Bible interpret itself, and gather all verses on a subject. I would like to encourage everyone to do this.

Here are a few to take a look at:

Daniel 1:8- Daniel refuses wine because he has purposed not to defile himself. I doubt this was new wine, as the fresh juice of the grape does not defile.

Isa. 5:11- Woe to those who drink intoxicating drinks.
Proverbs 23:29-30-More woe...

Alcohol has lead to alot of shame in the Bible. Noah naked (Gen. 9:21), Lot sexually active with his own daughters (Gen. 19:33), The Golden Calf (Ex. 32:6, 25), Amnon rapes his half-sister (2 Sam. 13:28)

When you take an honest look at the Biblical record of fermented drink, it is apaulling to think how Christians would try to endorce alcohol as righteous even in moderation!

Grape juice represented Christ's Blood, and the bread his Body. Just as the bread was "unleavened", leaven representing sin, his blood ought to be considered pure, free from fermentation.

The Bible is clear on this point.

Or is your Jesus a corrupt Jesus who would have you believe His blood is alcoholic?

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#436819 May 1, 2013
Regina wrote:
<quoted text>
How many times can someone divorce and remarry in the Orthodox Church? I seem to recall that it's three times, but could be mistaken.
Look Regina....I was asking an honest question.Yes it is three times in the Orthodox Church and you know this.How many times can a divorce Catholic marry in the Catholic Church? The is no motive behind this question and never was..I am sorry you took it that way.
Human Being

Ville Platte, LA

#436820 May 1, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
So you pretended that you didn't know at first, so that you could twist the knife in my heart that my daughter who wrote that poem took her own life!
I don't pray for you to come down off your cruel-minded pedestal.
Instead I wish you well.
June VanDerMarkL

How could I know?

There was no pretense. You wrote those words yourself.

I mentioned them, in hope, that you and your daughter are within forgiveness, and at peace.

Of such I deep wound I pray for healing.
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#436821 May 1, 2013
cont
God's Holy Pure Church; is not built by the hands of man, nor their own traditions that came out of the mind of men.

The different denominations on earth , are worldly churches.
God's Church is from Heaven it is a spiritual one.
God's alter is in the heart of all men who have come out of the worldly church's, and walk with God in Truth and in Spirit, men who have faith in God alone for it is the only way to please God.
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#436822 May 1, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
We would be well to let the Bible interpret itself, and gather all verses on a subject. I would like to encourage everyone to do this.
Here are a few to take a look at:
Daniel 1:8- Daniel refuses wine because he has purposed not to defile himself. I doubt this was new wine, as the fresh juice of the grape does not defile.
Isa. 5:11- Woe to those who drink intoxicating drinks.
Proverbs 23:29-30-More woe...
Alcohol has lead to alot of shame in the Bible. Noah naked (Gen. 9:21), Lot sexually active with his own daughters (Gen. 19:33), The Golden Calf (Ex. 32:6, 25), Amnon rapes his half-sister (2 Sam. 13:28)
When you take an honest look at the Biblical record of fermented drink, it is apaulling to think how Christians would try to endorce alcohol as righteous even in moderation!
Grape juice represented Christ's Blood, and the bread his Body. Just as the bread was "unleavened", leaven representing sin, his blood ought to be considered pure, free from fermentation.
The Bible is clear on this point.
Or is your Jesus a corrupt Jesus who would have you believe His blood is alcoholic?
Amen Amen ; "Tiger Lily"
Human Being

Ville Platte, LA

#436823 May 1, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
As her following poem indicated ... from a very early age my daughter wanted to leave the earth and her body. She had three major operations by the time she was seven years of age ... and neither her emotional, nor her physical suffering was going to end ... so she ended it herself.
She believed she was going to the "light."
If takes a cold-hearted person to harshly judge those who commit suicide.
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With The Eagle.
I long with the eagle, on swift silent wing
To glide o’er the earth and of freedom to sing
Released from the bonds of this earthbound plight
To master the grace of his effortless flight
To ravish the glorious sunrise unfurled
From high on a cliff, at the top of the world
To observe far below, life’s dramas unfold
To hold in your grasp nature’s mysteries untold
Silence descends as day draws to a close
Westward the sun hangs in hazy repose
Suspended within a rosy-hued sky
The eagle is solemn, with watchful eye
Though my body be bound by earthly ties
In mind and spirit with the eagle I rise
To ponder the drama of life far below
Wild and free with the eagle I go
June VanDerMark:

It is hard for me to put into words.

God calls us in Love.

I can never be as faithful as God. But as pain, and grief, and suffering overwhelms, our minds and bodies, is it not a sign of God's Love calling us?

With the greater number of days behind me, I look forward to eternity. Have I regrets?

So many martyrs, found desiring to be with God, than to be in the world.
Regina

Lakewood, NJ

#436824 May 1, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>Look Regina....I was asking an honest question.Yes it is three times in the Orthodox Church and you know this.How many times can a divorce Catholic marry in the Catholic Church? The is no motive behind this question and never was..I am sorry you took it that way.
Wow, have you got a short fuse!

All I did was ask a question and you jumped down my throat.
I don't know what your problem is.

In answer to the question you asked Anthony.....no, a divorced Catholic cannot remarry in the Church.
See how easy it is? Ask a question, get an answer. No histrionics. No drama.

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