Roman Catholic church only true churc...

Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 658403 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Clay

Melrose Park, IL

#436719 May 1, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Dust Storm"
Yawn...You and your wife are proficient in lying.
Other Christian movements have suffered similar scandals, but Pentecostalism seems particularly rife with them. Insiders know some of the reasons. Deeply embedded within the Pentecostal movement’s ethos is a cult of personality; charismatic leaders are put on pedestals above accountability and are often virtually worshiped by many of their followers.
Too few courses in basic ethics are required in Pentecostal colleges (perhaps because many Pentecostals, especially older ones, assume that being Spirit-filled guarantees right behavior), and too many pastors handle the churches’ money and travel alone without having to account for their whereabouts or activities. It’s the movement’s own dirty little secret: sexual promiscuity and financial misconduct are rampant within its ranks, and little is done about this unless a scandal becomes public.
Several Pentecostal denominations have instituted policies to handle cases of pastoral moral turpitude and financial misconduct, but they have found those policies hard to enforce. At least one Pentecostal denomination has a policy that forbids investigation of charges that are more than five years old. One can only wonder why the leaders decided on that limit.
There is no body that regulates independent churches and ministers, but Pentecostal leaders could work harder to expose their colleagues who transgress and to warn their flocks (and others) against them. Far too much nervousness about powerful television and radio preachers infects well-intentioned and ethically sensitive Pentecostal leaders. It’s time for the movement to own up to its sometimes sleazy history and go the extra mile in cleaning house in the cases of ministers and evangelists who are less than honest and chaste. It should not be left to publications like Christianity Today and Charisma to reveal scandals involving Pentecostal ministers, evangelists and denominational executives.
Still another aspect of Pentecostalism’s dark side is its tendency to condone dishonesty on the part of influential and popular evangelists and ministers. http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.as...
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PC says that that server does not exist.
Pentecostals do not cover up for those found in misbehavior.
We don't have a Cardinal Law...or any other of that sort.
KM
We don't know what goes on inside your compound. The Pentecostal 'village' by my house doesn't reveal too much about whats inside. I guarantee that if there was a crime, it would make page 12 of the community section of the paper. Whereas a mere accusation towards a Priest will be on the front page and lead the 6 o'clock news.

That's ok though. Its part of being in the Church that Christ started. Why would we expect anyone to embrace us??
Just sayin

Nashville, TN

#436720 May 1, 2013
Ella wrote:
I guess this bears repeating....RE: The SEXUAL ABUSE scandal: The Vatican has all of these parish priests exposed for their sexual crimes against innocent children they were entrusted to shepherd and train up in the ways of the Lord. The Vatican comes up with a 'brilliant' solution: 1) rather than removing the perpetrators of the sexual abuse, you simply move them to another parish and what? hope they don't get caught the next time. 2) to address damage control you erect billboards and sign s,and take out ads in newspapers telling former Catholics,'come back and we will welcome you with open arms', Come on!! How stupid do you think people really are? People don't want to attend churches were their family members may be at risk. Trust has been broken. Integrity has been stripped away. The veil of deception still remains. And what about the innocent lives of those children (some now adults) whom your priests committed those sexual crimes against? Did you think your 'hush money' to the victims will undo the grievous physical, emotional, social, financial and spiritual WOUNDS they must now bare (some for the rest of their lives)? Lastly, what about the gospel message? Don't you think that the Vatican's solutions and their priests actions have mocked God and His Word and branded those Catholics who are seriously embracing their belief and walk with the Lord? Not to mention those currently in seminary. How does the Vatican justify and rationalize this? How will priests now address their contributions to society's ills from their pulpits? These are grievous WOUNDS committed against God, man, local communities and society at large! They cannot be swept under the rug.
Speaking of grievous wounds, check these out. They are sorted by protestant denomination including one called "various". Real nifty!

http://www.reformation.com/

Enjoy!
Clay

Melrose Park, IL

#436721 May 1, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Well Anthony I have too. but I have been at weddings in different church denominations which have gone 2 hours or more.
People have passed out.
In one church a baby was crying the whole time.
My daughters wedding was an hour and a half.
I think some times people want it rushed because of the short time they have and its a last minute thing.
The pastor just fitted them in.
Weddings are so beautiful why would one want to just spend 15 minutes, to make vows to someone you will hopefully spend the rest of your life with.
Maybe its about money sometimes, Some people don't have a lot of money.
It cost money to rent the church.
Like my friends wedding in Vegas. We partied til 6 AM the night before and stumbled into the chapel that was inside a casino with a strip club below us... Holy Matrimony?? I think not.
(I was 22 and wouldn't do that today).
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#436722 May 1, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Like my friends wedding in Vegas. We partied til 6 AM the night before and stumbled into the chapel that was inside a casino with a strip club below us... Holy Matrimony?? I think not.
(I was 22 and wouldn't do that today).
LOL you wouldn't be the first person to do that Clay.
the best lessons we learn are those we lived.

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#436723 May 1, 2013
Clay wrote:
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That's ok though. Its part of being in the Church that Christ started. Why would we expect anyone to embrace us??
Had Jesus lived, he would have been dead before your church was started and rest assured that his last words on the cross would not have been "I am a Jew, but I died so people could become Catholics."

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#436724 May 1, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL you wouldn't be the first person to do that Clay.
the best lessons we learn are those we lived.
But we don't understand others unless we live their lives.

A woman who was raised in the Philippines said that people don't understand how poverty changes rules of perceived morality. She went on to explain that some young women in the Philippines are proud to be prostitutes because the money supports their family members who otherwise would starve to death.

It's easy to preach a lofty sermon about morals when preachers have full stomachs.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#436725 May 1, 2013
[who="Anthony MN"
Anger and resentment at the Church because of your husband's actions isn't healthy. You should try some counseling.

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The 'church' should not have supported her husband's actions. She has reason to resent it.

It didn't profit them, either. He is out of it.

KayMarie

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#436726 May 1, 2013
Jews don't eat pork, but in some cases when they were starving they resorted to cannibalism.

Pride often comes before a fall, and preachers of morality have a long way to fall before they hit ground-level.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#436727 May 1, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
[who="Anthony MN"
Anger and resentment at the Church because of your husband's actions isn't healthy. You should try some counseling.
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The 'church' should not have supported her husband's actions. She has reason to resent it.
It didn't profit them, either. He is out of it.
KayMarie
I don't know any of the details and neither do you. But you assume it's the Church's fault. I hope you don't go to your grave with all that hatred and resentment.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#436728 May 1, 2013
Ella wrote:
<quoted text>
You missed the point completely but wait a week you'll catch the point I was making
We haven't heard your ex-husband's side of the story, so we should take what you say with a grain of salt.

If he and his new mate decided to leave the Church because of the abuse scandal, it's probably for the best. People who think it's a problem only in the Catholic Church and ignore that it happens more often in protestnt circles are unrealistic and not serious about their faith anyway.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#436729 May 1, 2013
who="Anthony MN"
Divorce is a protesant phenomenon. The disobedience rests squarely on your shoulders.

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Divorce is a legal, not a Protestant phenomenon that you call annulment. We don't accept it...though many non Pentecostal Protestants are involved in it. It takes place in a court of law, not the church. The CC does the annulment, and allows remarriage.

We've been married over 60 years.

KayMarie
marge

Leesburg, GA

#436730 May 1, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
We haven't heard your ex-husband's side of the story, so we should take what you say with a grain of salt.
If he and his new mate decided to leave the Church because of the abuse scandal, it's probably for the best. People who think it's a problem only in the Catholic Church and ignore that it happens more often in protestnt circles are unrealistic and not serious about their faith anyway.
You sadly don't know why it happens, it happens almost exclusively in the churches that teach a false gospel.

A born-again christian would not attend a church that teaches a false gospel.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#436731 May 1, 2013
who="Anthony MN"
Jesus and His disciples drank fermented wine.

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Prove it. Everything that God made was GOOD. Nothing was in a state of decay...fermentation. I almost fell for that once, but discovered the truth.

Strong drink is a medicine. The Bible gives instances for its use: Extreme depression, stomach ailments and when one is dying.

KayMarie
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#436732 May 1, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Anthony MN"
Divorce is a protesant phenomenon. The disobedience rests squarely on your shoulders.
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Divorce is a legal, not a Protestant phenomenon that you call annulment. We don't accept it...though many non Pentecostal Protestants are involved in it. It takes place in a court of law, not the church. The CC does the annulment, and allows remarriage.
We've been married over 60 years.
KayMarie
Correct me if I'm wrong, but pentecostals accept as valid the re-marriage of a divorced person. Your denomination says that adultery or abandonment by an unbelieving spouse is grounds for divorce and re-marriage.

The Catholic Church does not allow "re-marriage" as it is contrary to Christ's teaching.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#436733 May 1, 2013
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
You sadly don't know why it happens, it happens almost exclusively in the churches that teach a false gospel.
A born-again christian would not attend a church that teaches a false gospel.
Right. Jesus and His Catholic Church teach that accepting divorce and re-marriage is a false gospel.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#436734 May 1, 2013
who="Anthony MN"
I don't know any of the details and neither do you. But you assume it's the Church's fault. I hope you don't go to your grave with all that hatred and resentment.

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I have neither hatred nor resentment.
No details would make a difference here. A family was broken up. The man was guilty, and those who told him that he was OK are equally guilty.

KayMarie
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#436735 May 1, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Anthony MN"
Jesus and His disciples drank fermented wine.
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Prove it. Everything that God made was GOOD. Nothing was in a state of decay...fermentation. I almost fell for that once, but discovered the truth.
Strong drink is a medicine. The Bible gives instances for its use: Extreme depression, stomach ailments and when one is dying.
KayMarie
Matt. 26:27,29; Mark 14:23,25; Luke 22:17-18; 1 Cor. 11:25-27 - Jesus instituted the Eucharist using wine and commanded us to "do this in remembrance of me." We know that Jesus instituted the Eucharist at the Jewish seder meal, which required the use of wine. Yet some Protestant churches forbid drinking wine. Such a prohibition is not based on the Scriptures.

Luke 7:33-34 - God the Son drank wine and was accused of being a drunk. Are those Protestant churches that forbid the drinking of wine doing the same?

John 2:1-11 - Jesus' first miracle was turning water into wine which was drunk at the wedding at Cana. Wine is a symbol of the life of the Church, in both the Eucharist and, here, the sanctification of the sacrament of marriage. Verse 10 also indicates that the people drank enough wine at the feast to the point that they might not have recognized good wine from bad wine. Yet Jesus creates for them more wine to drink.

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#436736 May 1, 2013
who="Anthony MN"
We haven't heard your ex-husband's side of the story, so we should take what you say with a grain of salt.
If he and his new mate decided to leave the Church because of the abuse scandal, it's probably for the best. People who think it's a problem only in the Catholic Church and ignore that it happens more often in protestnt circles are unrealistic and not serious about their faith anyway.

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What difference would 'his side of the story' make? He left his wife and family for another woman. And the 'church' made it legal.

Actually, no one here has said that abuse is only in the CC. What we've been saying is that Catholics cover up the mess, and loudly declare that it happens more frequently in the Protestant churches.

If Church members began a loud protest, things would change in a hurry.

KayMarie

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#436737 May 1, 2013
Just suppose that Jesus had existed.

"Jesus, is it true that you said all people of the world had to become of the Catholic faith to be saved?"

"The question IS ... do YOU believe it's true?"

"Being a faithful Catholic, I IMAGINE it IS true!"

"Is it important to you to follow the Catholic faith?"

"YES IT IS!!!"

"Then you will search no further."

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#436738 May 1, 2013
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
You sadly don't know why it happens, it happens almost exclusively in the churches that teach a false gospel.
A born-again christian would not attend a church that teaches a false gospel.
:)

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