Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Somehow the words "pure ones" and "heretic" don't seem to mesh.

My guess is, the Cathars thought they were the pure ones, and the popes thought that the Cathars were heretics.

From my perception they were all wrong and were all motivated by nothing ego.
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From the book, Eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven … Uta Ranke-Heinemann

With the eleventh century the Catholic Church’s struggle against birth control entered a new phase. The confrontation with the Cathars(= the pure ones, a sect whose name is the root of the German word for heretic, Ketzer), who condemned all procreation, fired up the Church’s commitment against contraception

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nothing but ego
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You have much to learn my friend and there is much I could teach you. It is all about the physical bloodlines between these two groups which started in the book of Genesis when the Lord God stated that He would place enmity between the seed of the woman (Christ bloodline) and the seed of the serpent (started with Satan's biological son CAIN). Just what do you yhink """SEED" "" is when God mentioned the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent when He was pronouncing sentence in Eden.

no bible.

Cain was the child of Adam and Eve. You have already been shown this.
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And you are thoroughly confused if you think Israel was cast away and the Gentiles favored over Israel. You need to read the following chapter IN ITS ENTIRETY though I think it will only confuse you even more than you already demonstrated that you are. Read this chapter VERY CAREFULLY.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjva/romans/11...

As i said the physical tribes were broken off for disbelief and disobedience.

Romans

11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them partake of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if you boast, you bore not the root, but the root you.
11:19 You will say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Be not high minded, but fear:
11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not you.

Then Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD. For the past 2000 years all are saved only thru faith in Jesus, including the Jews.

Gal.6:15,16 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision avails any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and on the Israel of God.

Phil.3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that you should show forth the praises of him who has called you out of darkness into his marvelous light; Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God:

There are no contradictions where some passages say the Gospel went to the Gentiles as the tribes were broken off and Temple destroyed while other passages say the Jews remain chosen. It does not exist.

Christians are spiritual Israel, the church body, and bride of Christ.
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7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
Origin of the word "Vatican"
15/07/09
In the introduction to the book "The Sistine Secrets," it explains that the word "vatika" comes from the pre-Roman Etruscan word for 1) a hallucinogenic plant, 2) a bitter grape thThe word vatika subsequently became latin for "prophecy" (referring to female oracles called "Vaticinia") that were connected to these three things. The area which is now St. Peters thus became known as the "Ager Vaticanus" or Vatican Hill. Today, the Italian verb "to prophesize" is "vaticanare", deriving from the Latin. Further, the word "vat" refers to a large tub or cask for storing or holding liquids (such as wine). We might wonder if the grail that held the wine at the Last Supper was holy because it was filled with hallucinogenic vatika wine.
The deeper origin of the word vatika relates to the "tika" or "tikal" dot or jewelry Hindu women (only) place on their forehead to indicate the third eye. The word "tika" then corresponds to the pineal gland (that looks like a pine cone) which is actually an embedded eye with retina in the center of the brain. In more primitive animals the pineal gland has a cornea and locates closer to the top of the skull (corresponding to the Hindu crown chakra) and is thought to help regulate biological activities. In addition to melatonin, the pineal gland is thought to produce a molecule known as DMT (DiMethylTryptamine) which is the most powerful hallucinogen known to exist and appears to be related to dreaming and near-death experiences (see Rick Strassman's book "DMT: The Spirit Molecule"). So, vatika as an entheogenic plant [magic mushrooms or possibly acacia fruit - see below] would then be concerned with the third eye and psychedelic experiences. The swastika symbol found in the Hindu Vedas, Greece and around the world could then refer to the swirling tika, or the vortex ("spirit") said to emanate into or out of the crown chakra in Hindu beliefs. Gives a whole new spin to the term "Holy See" for the Vatican, does it not?
Now it happens that Hindu monasteries are also called vatika. This raises the question could the pre-Roman Etruscans have based their religion on Hinduism and learned how to stimulate the third eye through entheogenic plants? Given that the Vatican was once a vatika for Vaticinia women (probably from India) who drank from a vat of vatika wine to hallucinate through their swas-tika, most religions may well have been derived from ancient Indian shamanism that incorporated entheogenic herbs. The book "Persephone's Quest" seems to support this idea.

..another word for prophetic is diviner.

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So if I do go "missing" you will know that someone succeeded in their quest to silence me.
You have more posts in two weeks than I've had in 3 yrs. If you took a 4 hr break, people would start to wonder what happened to you..
I kid.

Seriously, I've seen on different forums how other insecure atheist post in rapid succession. It seems they are not just trying to convince us, but them too.
The bottom line is: no matter how far fetched you think the idea of a God is, Atheist offer equally bizarre scenarios on the origins of our existence.

My favorite is how aliens of advanced intelligence - from another galaxy- planted DNA on our planet and began the process of life.
Ironically, a Being we call God- of extremely advanced intelligence, who consist of pure love, could not have planted DNA here?

June, all the irrefutable evidence in the world would not convince people like you to accept God- even if God appeared in the sky tonight and said, "hi June" and He was indeed the Judeo-Christian God.
You'd hate him because He disagrees with your politics. You want to be the dictator of right and wrong. You don't want any authority telling you how it is. Right?
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June VanDerMark wrote:
And yet some scientists claim that fossils are millions of years "old."
From my perspective the one certainty in these issues, is confusion.
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Scientists find fossils that are millions of years old in Panama Canal
Read more: http://www.theprovince.com/technology/Scienti...

Often repeated propaganda. Evolution is but a theory. Their dating methods are debunked all over the nets. The entire fossil record is instead proof of a global flood. Were the fossils millions of years as claimed they would have eroded away at given erosion rates. So you see other scientists disagree..

• eroding ages
http://creation.com/eroding-ages
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Ella wrote:
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June just likes to see his name in print. He's all over the place with his beliefs?theories?dogma?
I figured June to be a woman?

Well,first of all Ella,I live in Rockford, Illinois.

No doubt there are Rockfords in various states.

June is on another thread,where she or he reigns supreme.sounds like June wants to be the only one on this thread as well.That is not going to happen to soon.
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As i said the physical tribes were broken off for disbelief and disobedience.
Romans
11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them partake of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if you boast, you bore not the root, but the root you.
11:19 You will say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Be not high minded, but fear:
11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not you.
Then Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD. For the past 2000 years all are saved only thru faith in Jesus, including the Jews.
Gal.6:15,16 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision avails any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and on the Israel of God.
Phil.3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that you should show forth the praises of him who has called you out of darkness into his marvelous light; Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God:
There are no contradictions where some passages say the Gospel went to the Gentiles as the tribes were broken off and Temple destroyed while other passages say the Jews remain chosen. It does not exist.
Christians are spiritual Israel, the church body, and bride of Christ.
Soc, how do you know the Books in the Bible, belong in the Bible? Jesus never explained to us which Books (old or new) are Biblical. He never taught that said Books are to be the sole authority on His Ministry. Why do you teach this new and strange doctrine if Christ nor His Apostles never did?

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Etymology of the words heresy and heretic

In ancient Greek, the verb hairein, meaning "to take", gave rise to the adjective hairetos "able to choose" and the noun hairesis "the act of choosing".

Excerpts from Webster's Word Histories, Merriam-Webster Inc., Publishers; Springfield, Massachuksetts, 1989.

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Here we see the vilifying by the Catholics of the word heresy and heretic.
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By the end of the second century, haeresis (the Latin equivalent) was being applied to an organized body holding a false or sacrilegious doctrine. From this use, it took on the sense of "a body of doctrine substantially differing in some aspect from the doctrine taught by the Church".

Excerpts from Webster's Word Histories, Merriam-Webster Inc., Publishers; Springfield, Massachuksetts, 1989.

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Brewer’s Dictionary of Phrase & Fable by Ivor H. Evans … First published 1817.

God. A word common, in slightly varying forms, to all Teutonic languages, probably from an Aryan root, gheu—to invoke; it is in no way connected with good.

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Thoughts on which to ponder.
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It just might be possible that when the brains of the fetuses activate into awareness of their circumstances, that it has nothing whatsoever to do with a divine soul or spirit entering the bodies.

When the cells have constructed the brains to the point of becoming active, maybe they start their little energy-engines up on their own and thought becomes secondary life in the human bodies.

And maybe cells in all other animals are busy at work performing the same "natural" tasks.

Apparently the youngest premature baby was born at 22 weeks and her brain had already been activated, as she survived outside of the womb to become a "thinking" human being.

Had her brain “not” been activated in the womb, she would have been a still-birth with no way of surviving.

And if the brain-cells activating at a certain point in fetuses is what creates awareness in the fetuses, then is it not possible that when the brain-cells completely cease to function in (for instance) a terminally ill human, thought also ceases to exist?
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Clay wrote:
Soc, how do you know the Books in the Bible, belong in the Bible? Jesus never explained to us which Books (old or new) are Biblical. He never taught that said Books are to be the sole authority on His Ministry. Why do you teach this new and strange doctrine if Christ nor His Apostles never did?

Christians follow the Bible -- this is why you are Catholic. Catholics are not Christian. According to the Bible Catholics are of the harlot false religion. Christians are the bride of Christ.

Bride of Christ - pure churh.
Harlot - false Church.

Jesus read from the books called the Law & Prophets every Sabbath. This is where the Jewish faith and doctrine came from. Then Jesus inspired the Apostles to write more, to record what happened with Jesus. John wrote numerous books including the message sent to him by Jesus, the book of Revelation.

1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him, to show to his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel to his servant John:"

The first Christians understood this well. We have 38,000 of their letters quoting the books they considered inspired. 300 years later your Roman Church came along and plays down the Bible with claims of papal authority, even the pope claiming to be 'vicar of christ'. You are in a sun cult. It is not biblical or christian. The Bible tells us the entire roman system will be thrown into the lake of fire with all who support it having the 'mark of the beast' and asks that all flee and come out of her, my people.

"Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, you may believe that I am he." (John 13:19)

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Christians follow the Bible -- this is why you are Catholic. Catholics are not Christian. According to the Bible Catholics are of the harlot false religion. Christians are the bride of Christ.
Bride of Christ - pure churh.
Harlot - false Church.
Jesus read from the books called the Law & Prophets every Sabbath. This is where the Jewish faith and doctrine came from. Then Jesus inspired the Apostles to write more, to record what happened with Jesus. John wrote numerous books including the message sent to him by Jesus, the book of Revelation.
1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him, to show to his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel to his servant John:"
The first Christians understood this well. We have 38,000 of their letters quoting the books they considered inspired. 300 years later your Roman Church came along and plays down the Bible with claims of papal authority, even the pope claiming to be 'vicar of christ'. You are in a sun cult. It is not biblical or christian. The Bible tells us the entire roman system will be thrown into the lake of fire with all who support it having the 'mark of the beast' and asks that all flee and come out of her, my people.
"Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, you may believe that I am he." (John 13:19)
Word-picking from those books to suit your own fantasies might have the same value to humanity as picking your nose.

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Christians follow the Bible -- this is why you are Catholic. Catholics are not Christian. According to the Bible Catholics are of the harlot false religion. Christians are the bride of Christ.
Bride of Christ - pure churh.
Harlot - false Church.
Jesus read from the books called the Law & Prophets every Sabbath. This is where the Jewish faith and doctrine came from. Then Jesus inspired the Apostles to write more, to record what happened with Jesus. John wrote numerous books including the message sent to him by Jesus, the book of Revelation.
1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him, to show to his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel to his servant John:"
The first Christians understood this well. We have 38,000 of their letters quoting the books they considered inspired. 300 years later your Roman Church came along and plays down the Bible with claims of papal authority, even the pope claiming to be 'vicar of christ'. You are in a sun cult. It is not biblical or christian. The Bible tells us the entire roman system will be thrown into the lake of fire with all who support it having the 'mark of the beast' and asks that all flee and come out of her, my people.
"Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, you may believe that I am he." (John 13:19)
I already what your fanatical opinion is on Christianity. That's not what I asked you. Don't run from the question.
Where does Christ tell us which Books are Biblical? And where do the Apostles tell us to follow the Bible (as the sole authority on Our Lords Ministry) the way you do??

Simple questions Soc. Where is sola scripture???

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I hope I don't get reported for insulting Christian dogma.

I have to be very careful now, as I walk a thin line at Topix.
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I'd rather spend time watching a monkey pick his nose than I would spend time listening to preachers blather nonsense ... although I must admit, this con-artist has a spiel that is at least different than some of the droning-on preachers I suffered in my day.

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The fact is Oxbow,that you wouldn't know or recognize the truth about the Catholic Church and the faith of "true christians" if you (saw it) and it was (put in front of your eyes) which it IS (every day). You my friend, have been living (YOU OWN) bible only Protestant (invented and made up) distortion of the truth and lie, for so long that it has become ingrained and perverted into your heart, mind and soul! Your OWN hostility and disoriented hate for Jesus Christ and His One True Apostolic Catholic Church has polluted (again) your heart, mind and soul into anti-catholic "spiritual bondage"
I asked you, a self-professed ex-Protestant, who came into "true Salvation", the "fullness of the faith" and the "fullness of the truth" in Jesus Christ---in and through HIS One (and only one) True Apostolic Catholic Church!!!---the bride of Christ, to show, as you falsely accused me, in the Scripture I quoted, the lies in that Scripture, and the lies in my comments supported by this Scripture. You fell flat on your face!!!!!

BTW:
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God.

Don't sound to me like the Catholic denomination is the bride of Christ!!!!

I requested, also, that you show me, as you, again, falsely accused me, in the same Scripture I quoted, where did I misinterpret it, misrepresented it, and misused it, thereby deceiving others as they deceive themselves---by distorting the TRUTH!!! You,again, fell flat on your face!!!!

You do not speak the truth...but instead, as is typical of Catholics, you regurgitate the swill you so willing guzzle that comes to you from the vatacan.

Since you are "on a roll"...lets continue...

2. Catholics do worship idols...I know..been there..done that..CNN showed a video of that happening....in color and stereo!!!!

idol: someone who is adored blindly and excessively (Applicable to Mary and dead "saints" as practiced by Catholics)

idol: a material effigy that is worshipped; "thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image" (Applicable to Mary and all other idols of "saints" as practiced by Catholics)

effigy: A likeness or image, especially of a person. Symbolically, especially in the form of an effigy.(Applicable to Mary and dead "saints" as practiced by Catholics)

worship:
(Christianity / Ecclesiastical Terms) to show profound religious devotion and respect to; adore or venerate (God or any person or thing considered divine), to be devoted to and full of admiration for, to have or express feelings of profound adoration for.(Totally applicable to the practice of Catholics for Mary and dead "saints")

If you want, I think I still have the web site shown on CNN where a statute of Mary, supposedly was, as I recall, bleeding tears, with about forty people, in color and stereo, praying the rosary to her!!!!!!

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