Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

Jul 10, 2007 Read more: CBC News 583,279
The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Read more

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#434370 Apr 20, 2013
Jehovah already saved the Jews. Jesus won't save Jews ... and the 12th Imam of the Muslims that the Muslims expect any day ... won't save any body but Muslims.

:)
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#434371 Apr 20, 2013
OldJG wrote:
The Eucharist has been referred to as the Roman Catholic "wafer god". I think that is an appropriate name for it. Without eating their Jesus, the Eucharist, Roman Catholics believe they can't go to heaven. Their Jesus, the Eucharist, is also called "The Sacrifice" and "The Victim". You see, they don't believe that the work of Jesus Christ was finished on the cross--He is supposed to be a perpetual victim always getting sacrificed over and over again. Dying over and over and over.
That's why you continually see them with dead Jesus' on crosses in their churches and homes--just hanging there, dead. Jesus is not the "Eternal Victim", He is the Eternal Lord of Lords and King of Kings! Jesus told us in His word that His ONE time sacrifice is finished, completed, over. The Lord Jesus Christ is back in heaven where He came from waiting on His enemies to be made His footstool, not hopping up to enter a piece of bread. The mythical Eucharist is just another Roman Catholic tradition.
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
... and what Oldjg says about Christianity means???
Nothing. He is just some guy that looked at the scriptures and designed his own version while ignoring the writings of the folks that walked with the Apostles, and taught the faith as they heard it.
Doesn't that alarm you in the least? Or are you too filled with pride to understand anything outside your box??
Folks who walked with the Apostles? What folks? Do you believe those folks or do you believe Jesus? Or do you listen to your cracker when it talks to you? What does the magical cracker tell you?

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#434372 Apr 20, 2013
My Madonna

I haled me a woman from the street
Shameless, but, oh, so fair!
I bade her sit in the modelís seat
And I painted her sitting there.

I hid all trace of her heart unclean;
I painted a babe at her breast;
I painted her as she might have been
If the Worst had been the Best.

She laughed at my picture and went away.
Then came, with a knowing nod,
A connoisseur, and I heard him say;
ďĎTis Mary, the Mother of God.Ē

So I painted a halo round her head,
And I sold her and took my fee,
And she hangs in the church of Saint Hillaire,
Where you and all may see.

Robert Service.
Clay

United States

#434373 Apr 20, 2013
OldJG wrote:
Roman Catholics believe......
The priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on the altar as the eternal victim for the sins of man--not once but a thousand times. The priest speaks and lo! Christ the eternal and omnipotent God, bows His head in humble obedience to the priest's command.
OldG believes:

The Bible -although not in existence for Christians until the 5th century - is what Jesus commanded to be His authority on His Ministry. Oldg says the first 1700 yrs or so of Christianity got it wrong on the teachings from the Apostles. It wasn't until the Bible was made available to the laity that the teachings of Jesus Christ finally came to light. But that's not all... the first 300 yrs of Protestantism got it wrong too!! The born again evangelical movement did an alter call or two, and now ..finally Christianity is revealed! But wait, that's not all. Old G declared himself an authority on sacred scripture, so he says the Holy Spirit reveals the faith through him and other like minded fundies.
Lol!

seriously, that's not even funny. Its disgusting. Scram son. You teach a false Christianity that Jesus never willed. But you're to arrogant to acknowledge this truth.
Clay

United States

#434374 Apr 20, 2013
OldJG wrote:
OldJG wrote:
The Eucharist has been referred to as the Roman Catholic "wafer god". I think that is an appropriate name for it. Without eating their Jesus, the Eucharist, Roman Catholics believe they can't go to heaven. Their Jesus, the Eucharist, is also called "The Sacrifice" and "The Victim". You see, they don't believe that the work of Jesus Christ was finished on the cross--He is supposed to be a perpetual victim always getting sacrificed over and over again. Dying over and over and over.
That's why you continually see them with dead Jesus' on crosses in their churches and homes--just hanging there, dead. Jesus is not the "Eternal Victim", He is the Eternal Lord of Lords and King of Kings! Jesus told us in His word that His ONE time sacrifice is finished, completed, over. The Lord Jesus Christ is back in heaven where He came from waiting on His enemies to be made His footstool, not hopping up to enter a piece of bread. The mythical Eucharist is just another Roman Catholic tradition.
<quoted text>
Folks who walked with the Apostles? What folks? Do you believe those folks or do you believe Jesus? Or do you listen to your cracker when it talks to you? What does the magical cracker tell you?
Well the 'cracker' as you wish to call the Body of Christ, doesn't verbally say anything. But it definitely helps us to recognize people like you.

Read Luke 24:13-35 . This 'cracker' is what Christ established to help us understand the scriptures.
When you mock it, you don't mock us you fool. You mock Jesus Christ. And everyone whosoever come into contact with you on this forum can testify, you're not anything close to the Christ you arrogantly claim to follow.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#434375 Apr 20, 2013
OldJG wrote:
Roman Catholics believe......
The priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on the altar as the eternal victim for the sins of man--not once but a thousand times. The priest speaks and lo! Christ the eternal and omnipotent God, bows His head in humble obedience to the priest's command.
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
OldG believes:
The Bible -although not in existence for Christians until the 5th century - is what Jesus commanded to be His authority on His Ministry. Oldg says the first 1700 yrs or so of Christianity got it wrong on the teachings from the Apostles. It wasn't until the Bible was made available to the laity that the teachings of Jesus Christ finally came to light. But that's not all... the first 300 yrs of Protestantism got it wrong too!! The born again evangelical movement did an alter call or two, and now ..finally Christianity is revealed! But wait, that's not all. Old G declared himself an authority on sacred scripture, so he says the Holy Spirit reveals the faith through him and other like minded fundies.
Lol!
seriously, that's not even funny. Its disgusting. Scram son. You teach a false Christianity that Jesus never willed. But you're to arrogant to acknowledge this truth.
Why so defensive Cay? You must believe if you yell long enough, lie long enough and believe long enough the truth will go away. Well Cay, think again.

Cay, don't you believe this to be true.....

The priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on the altar as the eternal victim for the sins of man--not once but a thousand times. The priest speaks and lo! Christ the eternal and omnipotent God, bows His head in humble obedience to the priest's command.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#434376 Apr 20, 2013
Galatians 3:24-26, 24 "So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by FAITH. 25 But now that FAITH has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through FAITH."

Justified by what? By F A I T H

Not baptism....not a priest....not the cracker....not going to church....not doing good works....not kissing the pope's feet....not praying to a dead mary....not doing a rosary

No none of those things. So then how are we justified.... By F A I T H

F A I T H and nothing but F A I T H

In Christ Jesus we are sons of God through what?

F A I T H
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#434377 Apr 20, 2013
OldJG wrote:
The Eucharist has been referred to as the Roman Catholic "wafer god". I think that is an appropriate name for it. Without eating their Jesus, the Eucharist, Roman Catholics believe they can't go to heaven. Their Jesus, the Eucharist, is also called "The Sacrifice" and "The Victim". You see, they don't believe that the work of Jesus Christ was finished on the cross--He is supposed to be a perpetual victim always getting sacrificed over and over again. Dying over and over and over.
That's why you continually see them with dead Jesus' on crosses in their churches and homes--just hanging there, dead. Jesus is not the "Eternal Victim", He is the Eternal Lord of Lords and King of Kings! Jesus told us in His word that His ONE time sacrifice is finished, completed, over. The Lord Jesus Christ is back in heaven where He came from waiting on His enemies to be made His footstool, not hopping up to enter a piece of bread. The mythical Eucharist is just another Roman Catholic tradition.
<quoted text>
Folks who walked with the Apostles? What folks? Do you believe those folks or do you believe Jesus? Or do you listen to your cracker when it talks to you? What does the magical cracker tell you?
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Well the 'cracker' as you wish to call the Body of Christ, doesn't verbally say anything. But it definitely helps us to recognize people like you.
Read Luke 24:13-35 . This 'cracker' is what Christ established to help us understand the scriptures.
When you mock it, you don't mock us you fool. You mock Jesus Christ. And everyone whosoever come into contact with you on this forum can testify, you're not anything close to the Christ you arrogantly claim to follow.
You are critical of the Bible yet when backed into a corner you quote the very thing you have criticized. You are double minded and lost.

Also, have you ever read Luke 24:13-35? I doubt it. Try reading it for the FIRST time and tell us the verses which support your position.
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#434378 Apr 20, 2013
Religion - A Delusion wrote:
<quoted text>
If the child was not baptized and died very soon after birth, then what?
Limbo? Hell?
You are saying that a simple ritual -- of which the infant has no knowledge -- gives that child special privileges with God.
Personally, I find such a belief absurd and delusional.
Question...
If the infant was born to a Hindu family and died with original sin, why would any God treat that child with less love and consideration?
Please explain why a Hindu infant is at such a disadvantage over an infant born into the "correct" denomination.
You can't.
We don't know. We entrust them to the mercy of God.

In the case of newborns, if there is any risk we are prepared to call a priest who can be there at a moments notice. In most cases a Catholic chaplain is always available.
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#434379 Apr 20, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
334
<quoted text>
Sheep dip.....Your Bible must have this teaching missing:
"And Jesus saw, as he passed on his way, a man who had been blind from his birth. Whereupon his disciples asked him, Master, was this man guilty of sin, or was it his parents, that he should have been born blind? Neither he nor his parents were guilty, Jesus answered; it was so that Godís action might declare itself in him."
Change "blind" with "down syndrome"...
And...it does not change nor make ineffective: For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God..
?

My bible has that passage, in fact I quoted it earlier today.
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#434380 Apr 20, 2013
OldJG wrote:
The Eucharist has been referred to as the Roman Catholic "wafer god". I think that is an appropriate name for it. Without eating their Jesus, the Eucharist, Roman Catholics believe they can't go to heaven. Their Jesus, the Eucharist, is also called "The Sacrifice" and "The Victim". You see, they don't believe that the work of Jesus Christ was finished on the cross--He is supposed to be a perpetual victim always getting sacrificed over and over again. Dying over and over and over.
That's why you continually see them with dead Jesus' on crosses in their churches and homes--just hanging there, dead. Jesus is not the "Eternal Victim", He is the Eternal Lord of Lords and King of Kings! Jesus told us in His word that His ONE time sacrifice is finished, completed, over. The Lord Jesus Christ is back in heaven where He came from waiting on His enemies to be made His footstool, not hopping up to enter a piece of bread. The mythical Eucharist is just another Roman Catholic tradition.
So you're a disciple of the author of this website now. When did you leave the SBC?

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#434381 Apr 20, 2013
379
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
?
My bible has that passage, in fact I quoted it earlier today.
Then you have to ignore the teaching found therein so that you can hold to your erroneous belief that an infant has to be sprinkled with water to erase the "stain of Adam's sin" from his soul....

As well as: The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#434382 Apr 20, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
So you're a disciple of the author of this website now. When did you leave the SBC?
SBC?
Clay

United States

#434383 Apr 20, 2013
OldJG wrote:
OldJG wrote:
The Eucharist has been referred to as the Roman Catholic "wafer god". I think that is an appropriate name for it. Without eating their Jesus, the Eucharist, Roman Catholics believe they can't go to heaven. Their Jesus, the Eucharist, is also called "The Sacrifice" and "The Victim". You see, they don't believe that the work of Jesus Christ was finished on the cross--He is supposed to be a perpetual victim always getting sacrificed over and over again. Dying over and over and over.
That's why you continually see them with dead Jesus' on crosses in their churches and homes--just hanging there, dead. Jesus is not the "Eternal Victim", He is the Eternal Lord of Lords and King of Kings! Jesus told us in His word that His ONE time sacrifice is finished, completed, over. The Lord Jesus Christ is back in heaven where He came from waiting on His enemies to be made His footstool, not hopping up to enter a piece of bread. The mythical Eucharist is just another Roman Catholic tradition.
<quoted text>
Folks who walked with the Apostles? What folks? Do you believe those folks or do you believe Jesus? Or do you listen to your cracker when it talks to you? What does the magical cracker tell you?
<quoted text>
You are critical of the Bible yet when backed into a corner you quote the very thing you have criticized. You are double minded and lost.
Also, have you ever read Luke 24:13-35? I doubt it. Try reading it for the FIRST time and tell us the verses which support your position.
I'm never 'backed into corner' sir. I always have my fellow Catholics who'll automatically believe the same faith as me. And I trust if I error on my statements, that they'll correct me. That's why we're Catholic. We share the same faith from the Apostles. Its this continuity that no Protestants can claim - as their faith changes from generation to generation.

Anyway, I confronted your false teaching on my own. I was not backed into a corner.
Besides in your world of Sola Scripture, its literally impossible to be backed into a corner. Each 'Pope' dictates their own Christianity. Who are you to say Preston is wrong? Or 7th is wrong??
We see a glimpse of the disaster of Sola scripture on this forum.
Clay

United States

#434384 Apr 20, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
So you're a disciple of the author of this website now. When did you leave the SBC?
I'm willing to bet the Deacon opened his own store front church and convinced some people he was called to preach the Gospel.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#434385 Apr 20, 2013
Religion - A Delusion wrote:
<quoted text>
If the child was not baptized and died very soon after birth, then what?
Limbo? Hell?
You are saying that a simple ritual -- of which the infant has no knowledge -- gives that child special privileges with God.
Personally, I find such a belief absurd and delusional.
Question...
If the infant was born to a Hindu family and died with original sin, why would any God treat that child with less love and consideration?
Please explain why a Hindu infant is at such a disadvantage over an infant born into the "correct" denomination.
You can't.
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
We don't know. We entrust them to the mercy of God.
In the case of newborns, if there is any risk we are prepared to call a priest who can be there at a moments notice. In most cases a Catholic chaplain is always available.
Limbo? VATICAN CITY | Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:21pm EDT

(Reuters)- The Roman Catholic Church has effectively buried the concept of limbo, the place where centuries of tradition and teaching held that babies who die without baptism went.

You folks buried limbo so why would there be a need for a priest at a moments notice. I mean really, you said the priest can change bread and wine into flesh and blood, right? Well, taking care of this kid should be a snap.

One day you folks will bury the false doctrines of transubstantiation, mary sinless and forever virgin, holy water, rosary beads, salvation by baptism and many others. It is just a matter of time.

Why not attend a church that already has buried those false doctrines and worship God and not a cracker.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#434386 Apr 20, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm never 'backed into corner' sir. I always have my fellow Catholics who'll automatically believe the same faith as me. And I trust if I error on my statements, that they'll correct me. That's why we're Catholic. We share the same faith from the Apostles. Its this continuity that no Protestants can claim - as their faith changes from generation to generation.
Anyway, I confronted your false teaching on my own. I was not backed into a corner.
Besides in your world of Sola Scripture, its literally impossible to be backed into a corner. Each 'Pope' dictates their own Christianity. Who are you to say Preston is wrong? Or 7th is wrong??
We see a glimpse of the disaster of Sola scripture on this forum.
You have spent your entire life either backed into a corner or your head in the sand take your pick.

You said, quote, "We see a glimpse of the disaster of Sola scripture on this forum." End quote.

Glimpse of what disaster? Yours. Yes, your faith is a total disaster because your faith is not in Christ Jesus but in the cracker you eat and then flush down the toilet.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#434387 Apr 20, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
OldG believes:
The Bible -although not in existence for Christians until the 5th century -
The Arrogance of Faith, by Forrest G. Wood

To appreciate fully the meanings of scriptural terms and references, one would need to go back beyond the fourth-century Latin Vulgate edition of the Bible prepared by St. Jerome, or the twenty-seven books on the list that Bishop Athanasius of Alexandria compiled in the year 367, which were to become the New Testament, and study not only ancient Greek and Hebrew texts but northwestern Semitic writings, especially Aramaic, and even some of the lesser-known languages of biblical times such as Akkadian and Ugaritic.
Ella

Rockford, MI

#434388 Apr 20, 2013
OldJG wrote:
Roman Catholics believe......
The priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on the altar as the eternal victim for the sins of man--not once but a thousand times. The priest speaks and lo! Christ the eternal and omnipotent God, bows His head in humble obedience to the priest's command.
So what you are saying is that the priest(mortal man) has authority over Jesus. And the priest calls Jesus down to what? spill His blood again??? At the Passover supper didn't Jesus say to His apostles,'Do this in remembrance of me'. Remembrance is defined as power as remembering.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#434389 Apr 20, 2013
From what I studied of history, I believe that bible-users are those seeking to caught harm to others.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>

The Bay Colony, in making sodomy a capital crime, did not follow the English statute but instead adopted the language of Leviticus 20: 13.

Section 8 of the 1641 laws was thus a word-for-word translation of a Hebrew law more than 2,000 years old: "If any man lyeth with mankinde as he lyeth with a woman, both of them have committed
abhomination, they both shall surely be put to death" (Whitmore, 1890, p. 55). Astonishingly, this phraseology was to remain on the books of at least one American state-Connecticut-until some 46
years after the Declaration of Independence.

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