Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#433998 Apr 19, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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What makes you think this is somehow God's punishment for something he did?
Merry Christmas Anthony! ;-) I can't believe its still snowing. Just so you know I read your post. Sorry I dont always respond a time thing. I have for the most part just been posting links to Catholics on a topic in the hopes they will read and edify as I know you have.

Well Anthony I know a couple of people who place people with needs in the work force. To be honest I was once at a McDonalds and told the owner his employee with Downs was the best one he had and I meant it. I do hope you get that fishing buddy and he becomes all he can. I did pray for you Mom and I appreciate your prayers and support on that. So doing some snoboarding before it melts. My nephew is a snoboard and skateboarder. These guys today make Tony Hawk look really old school. Gymnastics is now part of the deal. I have to stretch. lol
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#433999 Apr 19, 2013
Religion - A Delusion wrote:
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No point. Totally biased source.
Shouldn't "the times" be shaped by faith in your god?
If you don't wish to read a counter to your blanket statement with a balanced view then there is nothing to discuss. Thanks.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#434000 Apr 19, 2013
Religion - A Delusion wrote:
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This poster writes - "The Jews were supposed to follow the Christ and many did."
So how would Jesus want his people who didn't believe to be treated?
1... What does Jesus tell us in the Bible?
2... What has been the reality?
Is a direct and honest reply even impossible, while maintaining the delusion?
They say it would be more likely for a tornado to tear through a junk yard and leave behind a perfectly assembled 747 than life beginning out of nothing.

You believe life just happened out of nothing?
Who is maintaining the delusion here?
marge

Ames, IA

#434001 Apr 19, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Exactly dear radical. It didn't happen. Jesus never went about undoing Judaism. He didn't start a new religion. He fulfilled Judaism. The Jews were supposed to follow the Christ and many did. The Catholic Church is the continuation of Judaism.
The Hebrew Scriptures are read in the Catholic Church everyday. There is only one messiah and it was Jesus Christ- the founder of The Catholic faith.
As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality."
marge

Ames, IA

#434002 Apr 19, 2013
As touching the Gentiles - In regard to the Gentile converts. It might be expedient for Paul to do what could not be enjoined on the Gentiles. They could not command the Gentile converts to observe those ceremonies, while yet it might be proper, for the sake of peace, that the converts to Christianity from among the Jews should regard them. The conduct of the Christians at Jerusalem in giving this advice, and of Paul in following it, may be easily vindicated. If it be objected, as it has been by infidels, that it looks like double-dealing; that it was designed to deceive the Jews in Jerusalem, and to make them believe that Paul actually conformed to the ceremonial law, when his conduct among the Gentiles showed that he did not, we may reply:

(1) That the observance of that law was not necessary in order to salvation;

(2) That it would have been improper to have enjoined its observance on the Gentile converts as necessary, and therefore it was never done;

(3) That when the Jews urged its observance as necessary to justification and salvation, Paul strenuously opposed this view of it everywhere;

(4) Yet that, as a matter of expediency, he did not oppose its being observed either by the Jews, or by the converts made among the Jews.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#434003 Apr 19, 2013
Religion - A Delusion wrote:
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Why appear to "my kind of person?" To save me. In fact, if you read the Bible, you'd know that.
Jesus appeared to many folks in the Bible. Why did he stop?
He's imaginary.
So an actual full bodied visit by Jesus Christ, is what would 'save' you?

What if Jesus lays out a certain set of rules for you during this visit? What if He ends up disagreeing with your politics?
Would you still embrace Him? I mean, God would be proven to exist for you...
marge

Ames, IA

#434004 Apr 19, 2013
Four things are prohibited in this decree:

1. Pollutions of idols;

2fornication;

3. things strangled;

4. blood.

By the first, Pollutions of Idols, or, as it is in Acts 15:25, meats offered to idols, not only all idolatry was forbidden, but eating things offered in sacrifice to idols, knowing that they were thus offered, and joining with idolaters in their sacred feasts, which were always an incentive either to idolatry itself, or to the impure acts generally attendant on such festivals.

By the second, Fornication, all uncleanness of every kind was prohibited; for &#960;&#959;&#961; &#957;&#949;&#953; &#945; not only means fornication, but adultery, incestuous mixtures, and especially the prostitution which was so common at the idol temples, viz. in Cyprus, at the worship of Venus; and the shocking disorders exhibited in the Bacchanalia, Lupercalia, and several others.

By the third, Things Strangled, we are to understand the flesh of those animals which were strangled for the purpose of keeping the blood in the body, as such animals were esteemed a greater delicacy.

By the fourth, Blood, we are to understand, not only the thing itself, for the reasons which I have assigned in the note on Genesis 9:4, and for others detailed at the end of this chapter; but also all cruelty, manslaughter, murder, etc., as some of the ancient fathers have understood it.
marge

Ames, IA

#434005 Apr 19, 2013
From blood. The use of blood was prohibited by the Mosaic law (Le 17:14 De 12:16,23), and for wise reasons this prohibition was extended to Gentiles. The Roman epicures were wont to drown fowls in wine and then use the flesh. It was a common thing to drink wine mingled with blood. The only way to strike at these savage practices was to prohibit its use.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#434006 Apr 19, 2013
marge wrote:
Four things are prohibited in this decree:
1. Pollutions of idols;
2fornication;
3. things strangled;
4. blood.
By the first, Pollutions of Idols, or, as it is in Acts 15:25, meats offered to idols, not only all idolatry was forbidden, but eating things offered in sacrifice to idols, knowing that they were thus offered, and joining with idolaters in their sacred feasts, which were always an incentive either to idolatry itself, or to the impure acts generally attendant on such festivals.
By the second, Fornication, all uncleanness of every kind was prohibited; for &#960;&#959;&#961; &#957;&#949;&#953; &#945; not only means fornication, but adultery, incestuous mixtures, and especially the prostitution which was so common at the idol temples, viz. in Cyprus, at the worship of Venus; and the shocking disorders exhibited in the Bacchanalia, Lupercalia, and several others.
By the third, Things Strangled, we are to understand the flesh of those animals which were strangled for the purpose of keeping the blood in the body, as such animals were esteemed a greater delicacy.
By the fourth, Blood, we are to understand, not only the thing itself, for the reasons which I have assigned in the note on Genesis 9:4, and for others detailed at the end of this chapter; but also all cruelty, manslaughter, murder, etc., as some of the ancient fathers have understood it.
What in thee Heck are you babbling about?

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#434007 Apr 19, 2013
Clay wrote:
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ooh not really.'ROMAN' Catholicism did not exist then, and it doesn't really exist now. In a theological sense anyway.
I never mentioned "Roman" Catholicism. I mentioned Catholicism. They were the first group to take the title of Christian, but not the last by far. Protesters immediately came from all angles right from the beginning of Christianity, claiming to have the one and only truth in their theologies, and it has never ended to this day, as is proof from the conflicting theologies noted on this forum.
marge

Ames, IA

#434008 Apr 19, 2013
15:7-21 We see from the words purifying their hearts by faith, and the address of St. Peter, that justification by faith, and sanctification by the Holy Ghost, cannot be separated; and that both are the gift of God.

We have great cause to bless God that we have heard the gospel. May we have that faith which the great Searcher of hearts approves, and attests by the seal of the Holy Spirit.

Then our hearts and consciences will be purified from the guilt of sin, and we shall be freed from the burdens some try to lay upon the disciples of Christ.

Paul and Barnabas showed by plain matters of fact, that God owned the preaching of the pure gospel to the Gentiles without the law of Moses; therefore to press that law upon them, was to undo what God had done.

The opinion of James was, that the Gentile converts ought not to be troubled about Jewish rites, but that they should abstain from meats offered to idols, so that they might show their hatred of idolatry.

Also, that they should be cautioned against fornication, which was not abhorred by the Gentiles as it should be, and even formed a part of some of their rites.

They were counselled to abstain from things strangled, and from eating blood; this was forbidden by the law of Moses, and also here, from reverence to the blood of the sacrifices, which being then still offered, it would needlessly grieve the Jewish converts, and further prejudice the unconverted Jews.

Let converts be warned to avoid all appearances of the evils which they formerly practised, or are likely to be tempted to; and caution them to use Christian liberty with moderation and prudence.
Matthew Henry's Bible Commentary.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#434009 Apr 19, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Hitler?? You take the worst madman in the history of the world,
The pooes were all madmen, ordering the torture and slaughter of Jews left and right, calling them ALL "Christ-killers."

Hitler learned what his Catholic heritage taught him.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#434010 Apr 19, 2013
hojo wrote:
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You, June, have become an "expert" at trashing (any and all religion),
I hope so. I wouldn't want to take sides concerning who owns the one and only truthful mythology.

:)

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#434011 Apr 19, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Exactly dear radical. It didn't happen. Jesus never went about undoing Judaism. He didn't start a new religion. He fulfilled Judaism.
So then why aren't you a Jew? Catholics should strive to be perfected Jews, not Christians.

:)
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#434012 Apr 19, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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The pooes were all madmen, ordering the torture and slaughter of Jews left and right, calling them ALL "Christ-killers."
Hitler learned what his Catholic heritage taught him.
ridiculous June. Not worth engaging in a discussion about.
marge

Ames, IA

#434013 Apr 19, 2013
Clay wrote:
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What in thee Heck are you babbling about?
You said 'The Catholic Church is the continuation of Judaism'

I was showing you how it's not so or shouldn't be.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#434014 Apr 19, 2013
Religion - A Delusion wrote:
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How can I prove your delusion?
I am aware of the supposed miracle, but your own church doesn't even make the claims that you make.
Maybe this will help a little. You have a proficient story-teller to explain "miracles."

:)
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>

The World’s Sixteen Crucified Saviors … Christianity before Christ, by Kersey Graves … first published in 1875.

Catholic Miracles

And Forsyth’s Italy (p. 344), written by a highly accredited author, tells us that a withered elm tree was suddenly restored to full life and vigor by coming in contact with the body of St. Zenobis, and that this miracle took place in the most public part of the town, in the presence of many thousands of people; that “it is recorded by contemporary historians, and inscribed upon a marble column now standing where the tree stood.”
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#434015 Apr 19, 2013
marge wrote:
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As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality."
Learn what Christianity really is and not what your false teachers say. Don't be a victim to these self proclaimed Ministers.

www.ignatiusinsight.com/features/schoemanintv...

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#434016 Apr 19, 2013
to be a proficient story-teller

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#434017 Apr 19, 2013
Clay wrote:
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ridiculous June. Not worth engaging in a discussion about.
Of course it's not worth engaging in, that is why you don't engage. The popes were nuttier than fruitcakes. It must have been part of their Catholic imperfections as they strived to be perfected Jews.

:)

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