Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

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The weekend is here. Pause, and appreciate all that you have. Maybe take some time to understand those you think are wrong.

God bless, and Glory to Jesus Christ forever!
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Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.
IV. "YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FOR YOURSELF A GRAVEN IMAGE ...">

2129 The divine injunction included the prohibition of every representation of God by the hand of man. Deuteronomy explains: "Since you saw no form on the day that the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire, beware lest you act corruptly by making a graven image for yourselves, in the form of any figure.... "66 It is the absolutely transcendent God who revealed himself to Israel. "He is the all," but at the same time "he is greater than all his works."67 He is "the author of beauty."68

2130 Nevertheless, already in the Old Testament, God ordained or permitted the making of images that pointed symbolically toward salvation by the incarnate Word: so it was with the bronze serpent, the ark of the covenant, and the cherubim.69

2131 Basing itself on the mystery of the incarnate Word, the seventh ecumenical council at Nicaea (787) justified against the iconoclasts the veneration of icons - of Christ, but also of the Mother of God, the angels, and all the saints. By becoming incarnate, the Son of God introduced a new "economy" of images.

2132 The Christian veneration of images is not contrary to the first commandment which proscribes idols. Indeed, "the honor rendered to an image passes to its prototype," and "whoever venerates an image venerates the person portrayed in it."70 The honor paid to sacred images is a "respectful veneration," not the adoration due to God alone:

Religious worship is not directed to images in themselves, considered as mere things, but under their distinctive aspect as images leading us on to God incarnate. The movement toward the image does not terminate in it as image, but tends toward that whose image it is.71

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i will tell you by what authority i understand the Bible if you can tell me by what authority rome has to own christianity?
btw - why are you a "Baptist"; is that God's favorite religion?
Because no one, not even the pope on his own, can claim to understand and interpret the Bible on their own. It is not possible. The Bible is no simple matter for the common person to comprehend in full. That does not mean we should never read it, and try on our own. But never must we claim to interpret for OTHERS what we THINK it means. We have no authority to do so, and no individual does, no priest or pope, pastor or minister. Woe to those that cause the children of God to stumble ... that means even by accident because you thought something meant what it did not.

But through Bible study with the Church, through fellowship with others, we learn more, and can be helped along in our faith. If you do not go to church, and do not fellowship with others, you are not doing what Jesus commanded. Nor will you learn what is needed to fulfill the Great Commission.

What authority does the Church have?

Experience. And whole nations converted over to Christ by the efforts of many, and the prayers of many, and work of many.

Experience always counts more than some upstart like Martin Luther, or some self-righteous Baker couple on TV. And only the WHOLE BODY OF THE CHUCH has authority, as a collective entity. Same for the Baptist Convention, same for the Anglicans, same for them all.

But we are divided, and our enemies are winning souls to atheism and Islam ... while you sit here debating about nonsense.
Religion - A Delusion

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Stop arguing and pray....

"Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen."

So far, all of man's gods have proven to be nothing more than a delusion.

Instead of arguing, why not pray the prayer above?

No? Because it's just delusion.
Religion - A Delusion

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Because no one, not even the pope on his own, can claim to understand and interpret the Bible on their own. It is not possible. The Bible is no simple matter for the common person to comprehend in full. That does not mean we should never read it, and try on our own. But never must we claim to interpret for OTHERS what we THINK it means. We have no authority to do so, and no individual does, no priest or pope, pastor or minister. Woe to those that cause the children of God to stumble ... that means even by accident because you thought something meant what it did not.
But through Bible study with the Church, through fellowship with others, we learn more, and can be helped along in our faith. If you do not go to church, and do not fellowship with others, you are not doing what Jesus commanded. Nor will you learn what is needed to fulfill the Great Commission.
What authority does the Church have?
Experience. And whole nations converted over to Christ by the efforts of many, and the prayers of many, and work of many.
Experience always counts more than some upstart like Martin Luther, or some self-righteous Baker couple on TV. And only the WHOLE BODY OF THE CHUCH has authority, as a collective entity. Same for the Baptist Convention, same for the Anglicans, same for them all.
But we are divided, and our enemies are winning souls to atheism and Islam ... while you sit here debating about nonsense.
Don't forget agnosticism.

Atheism, Islam, and agnosticism.

PS - you can never truly unite based on in a delusion. That's why you need "enemies."

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You did not answer the question:
Let me put it another way. The NT has no legitimacy whatsoever if none of the prophesies of the coming messiah were not fulfilled.

I answered it. Just because you don't accept my answer, doesn't make it invalid. If you need clarification on something, then ask about it.

Like me....I disagree with your conclusion - please provide a citation that supports your theory.
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The NT claims they are fulfilled.
Speculation driven by changes to the text. Anyone can fulfil stories that were written and make themselves that "saviour".

You'll have to do better than this.
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So your gospels claim this as well?
Claim what? Hogwash? Made up tales?

No they are more direct to the personal nature of the Spirit.

Why?
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Was your version of Jesus prophesied?
What does this matter? Are you trying to separate Jesus into two different people, when he is only one person?

You shouldn't do this, but then again....what would one expect from someone who believes what men have stated for them to believe.

BTW - you are off-topic a second time. This forum is not about me, Baptist. If you have a comment about the title, then I would suggest you stay focussed and post your retort.

This will be the last post I express to you explaining my irrelevant beliefs.

Thanks!

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I have ordered the book, and will read it. Confirmed now from Amazon. Now, will you read something? Theology and Sanity by Frank Sheed?
No point in further discussion until we've read each other's mutual sources. God bless and take care.
I'll put it on my list of things to read, but right now I am reading a BOMC edition of "The History of Magic" a repro of a 1948 book called "The Mirror of Magic" by Kurt Seligmann

http://www.amazon.com/The-history-magic-Kurt-...

....soooooo - you will have to wait a while if you are looking for a "quick response" - it isn't going to happen, your recommendation is on a long list of other book suggestions.

Thanks for the suggestion though.

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The weekend is here. Pause, and appreciate all that you have. Maybe take some time to understand those you think are wrong.
God bless, and Glory to Jesus Christ forever!
Better yet:

It is the weekend - don't do anything I would do, and if you do, do it in moderation or not at all.

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Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.
Amen Marge,

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THE PROOF IS IN THE POWER AND FULFILLMENT OF GOD'S WORD..
IT ACCOMPLISHES THAT FOR WHICH GOD SENT IT...AND RETURNS TO HIM AS A
RECEIPT/PROOF OF HIS WILL BEING ACCOMPLISHED...
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth:
it shall not return unto me void, but
it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the
thing whereto I sent it.
THE WORDS OF ROME ONLY HAS THE POWER OF THE NATION OF ROME ...IT17'S NOTHING BUT CONFUSION OF FACE...ALL IT ACCOMPLISHES IS ...TO GLORIFY A EARTH BOUND MAN MADE RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION
~~~the word from Rome Italy is not God's word and it does not return to Him because he never spoke it forth.

God does not underwrite that which he has not spoken forth.

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Because no one, not even the pope on his own, can claim to understand and interpret the Bible on their own. It is not possible. The Bible is no simple matter for the common person to comprehend in full. That does not mean we should never read it, and try on our own. But never must we claim to interpret for OTHERS what we THINK it means. We have no authority to do so, and no individual does, no priest or pope, pastor or minister. Woe to those that cause the children of God to stumble ... that means even by accident because you thought something meant what it did not.
But through Bible study with the Church, through fellowship with others, we learn more, and can be helped along in our faith. If you do not go to church, and do not fellowship with others, you are not doing what Jesus commanded. Nor will you learn what is needed to fulfill the Great Commission.
What authority does the Church have?
Experience. And whole nations converted over to Christ by the efforts of many, and the prayers of many, and work of many.
Experience always counts more than some upstart like Martin Luther, or some self-righteous Baker couple on TV. And only the WHOLE BODY OF THE CHUCH has authority, as a collective entity. Same for the Baptist Convention, same for the Anglicans, same for them all.
But we are divided, and our enemies are winning souls to atheism and Islam ... while you sit here debating about nonsense.
"not even the pope on his own"

you exposed yourself by asserting that the pope has more access to spiritual understanding than the common man. i would say he knows less....or he would have renounced catholicism long ago.....

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~~~the word from Rome Italy is not God's word and it does not return to Him because he never spoke it forth.
God does not underwrite that which he has not spoken forth.
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God's word returned unto Him in creation...

example..

Gen_1:3 And God said, Let there be light:

(the return of His word)-> and there was light.

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confrinting with the word wrote:
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God's word returned unto Him in creation...
example..
Gen_1:3 And God said, Let there be light:
(the return of His word)-> and there was light.
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What Rome says ...Rome has to make it happen...

What God speaks forth...comes into materializes

therefore God cannot lie...

But Rome has from its inception..
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<quoted text>Why did you leave Lutheranism? For
Just because the Holy Spirit works within and without a framework,does not mean that the framework is perfect or that it is doing the Will of the Father,but that God can move freely to touch souls,and use them for HIS ultimate purpose.It is not God's ultimate purpose hojo to make us all Roman Catholics,but that our names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life!
I believe that Christians hould "grow where they are planted" in serving Our Lord.... However even though we are all "ecumentical brothers and sisters in Christ, does not change the TRUTH that the Jesus Christ (through His Apostles) initiated, formed, and established One (and ONLY one) TRUE CHURCH! It was Universal!! It was Catholic! It is biblical! and it has over 2000 years of Historical PROOF to back it up!! It is the ONLY Church that was "personally formed by Jesus Christ HIMSELF and it the ONLY CHURCH that proclaims, teaches and possesses the FULLNESS of the faith, and the FULLNESS of the TRUTH. Jesus Christs One True Catholic Church is comparable to the beginning of the Mississippi River with all of its tributaries, which starts in Itasca State Park! It has crystal clear water and as it flows South, the water gets muddier and muddier, which is like the Protestant beliefs beginning with the Reformation.(42,000 divided and inconsistent doctrine, with "muddied waters" of confusion, chaos and contradiction!!! There you have it! That's one of the many reasons why I became a Catholic in the TRUE Faith and Salvation of Jesus Christ. EVERY Protestant denomination, including "bible only" believers are man-made religions and extensions of Martin Luther and the Lutheran Church. Again--they are all Christian (half-truth) but "not fully" in the TRUTH and the FAITH since they have "rejected" over 450 years of many doctrines that Jesus Christ in initially gave to His One TRUE Catholic Church, over 2000 years ago!!!
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<quoted text>show me something that is not written by a hand picked catholic historian.
Show me something that is not written by a hand picked "anti-catholic" heretical historian, because I know without a doubt that "every one of your sources", have a "axe to grind" vengeance and hostility with Jesus Christ HIMSELF and His One TRUE APOSTOLIC CATHOLIC CHURCH!!
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QUESTION...
ARE YOU CALLING GOD A LIAR?...
I PITY YOUR BLATANT IGNORANCE...THAT COULD COST YOU YOUR ETERNAL ..
NO! But I/we as Catholics, know (without a doubt) that you are a "bible only" self-interpreting editorialist false teacher of Sacred Scripture, that "makes things up" as a hostile (anti-catholic) liar who thrives on distorting and manipulating the truth of what the Catholic Church "actually believes, teaches and proclaims!!

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Which pagan emperor put them together? Surely you're not referring to Constantine.
he is the creator of the catholic church along with 100 learned men. who were those 100 men?

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Show me something that is not written by a hand picked "anti-catholic" heretical historian, because I know without a doubt that "every one of your sources", have a "axe to grind" vengeance and hostility with Jesus Christ HIMSELF and His One TRUE APOSTOLIC CATHOLIC CHURCH!!
I asked you first. and the history books I rely on has multiple writers,not just one. who do you have?

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Oh yes they do. Jesus gave them that authority.
And just because some have been greedy, like the Bakers amongst Evangelics, doesn't make the whole Church corrupt or wrong. We are ALL sinners, Catholics never denied that. That does not negate the authority of God's universal Church. Not ever.
So which is worse? Dividing Christians and setting them against each other? Or uniting so we can love and convert the Muslims and socialists and atheists from their wicked ways?
Which enemy is greater to you? The atheists trying to destroy all religion, or your brothers and sisters in Christ you disagree with?
Better answer carefully. The Lord Most High is watching you, and waiting to hear your answer.
first off Jesus and his apostles did not set out to create a religious group,there objective was just to spread his fathers word,man created a religion out of it,and not for religious reasons in the case of the catholic church,they did it out of greed and power,they killed their way to the top. doesn't seem like something a loving gods church would do.the greater enemy is all religious groups,one is killing the other on a daily basis just because there beliefs differ.

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Didn't Jesus say to follow the next messenger? He spoke of a Helper or Counselor that was to come after him and testify to his message and to also make known what is not understood about God. Jesus never said to worship him as God but to give praise to He who sent him. So why are people making a false god out of Jesus and making a mockery of God like deeming mere men as gods and angels?! And who was this "Helper" spoken of by Jesus himself? The Catholic and Christian churches have some explaining to do!

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