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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 596682 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#432197 Apr 12, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Thank God for modern science,and jethro's being diagnosed clean of cancer.I hope him the best,and agree with you that his days will be happy and fruitful!
No I thank the many men and women who used their free will to bring us these advances.

If "God" was involved, "He" would have cured cancer and other world diseases world-wide, a long, long time ago.

As of right now, "He" is allowing many to die and suffer.

Of course you can lean on your false belief all your life, it won't make it any more true today, tomorrow, or in the future.

This is honesty.

How honest are you?

Why can't/won't you give the credit to those deserving of it?

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#432198 Apr 12, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>the pagan/christian (catholic) church had no right to change the Sabbath and the ten commandments,but they did,not for holy reasons,but for reasons of power and greed. so which church is worse? one who left out a few books or one that made unauthorized changes and also burned books for no real reason?
Oh yes they do. Jesus gave them that authority.

And just because some have been greedy, like the Bakers amongst Evangelics, doesn't make the whole Church corrupt or wrong. We are ALL sinners, Catholics never denied that. That does not negate the authority of God's universal Church. Not ever.

So which is worse? Dividing Christians and setting them against each other? Or uniting so we can love and convert the Muslims and socialists and atheists from their wicked ways?

Which enemy is greater to you? The atheists trying to destroy all religion, or your brothers and sisters in Christ you disagree with?

Better answer carefully. The Lord Most High is watching you, and waiting to hear your answer.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#432199 Apr 12, 2013
marge wrote:
Anthony
Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
Why do you promote the Spirit - what Jesus taught, yet don't believe him when he speaks of it in GoThomas.

You are still confused.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#432200 Apr 12, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
018
<quoted text>
Catholic catechism: CHRIST IS NOT GOD THE FATHER
254 The divine persons are really distinct from one another. "God is one but not solitary."86 "Father", "Son", "Holy Spirit" are not simply names designating modalities of the divine being, for they are really distinct from one another:
"He is not the Father who is the Son, nor is the Son he who is the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit he who is the Father or the Son."87
They are distinct from one another in their relations of origin: "It is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds."88 The divine Unity is Triune.
And so also most Protestants believe.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#432201 Apr 12, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
They don't show those things, because Jesus never taught it.
Although I have tested GoThomas against Christianity, and to be honest, Christianity is no match for just these teachings.
Unless you have something in the canon, as stated by Jesus, that shows otherwise.
You did not answer the question:

Let me put it another way. The NT has no legitimacy whatsoever if none of the prophesies of the coming messiah were not fulfilled. The NT claims they are fulfilled.

So your gospels claim this as well? Was your version of Jesus prophesied?

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#432202 Apr 12, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
By what authority do you have to overrule centuries of Christians before you that disagree? Who gave you exclusive powers to interpret the Bible as you see fit?
Eucharist means Thanksgiving, and we Baptists practice it, too, though more in honor and symbolism than literal. So are we wrong, too?
By what authority to you preach and risk the souls of others?
i will tell you by what authority i understand the Bible if you can tell me by what authority rome has to own christianity?

btw - why are you a "Baptist"; is that God's favorite religion?

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#432203 Apr 12, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
That's right, you did throw out a reference in a previous post. My bad. If one is to look at "The Matrix Trilogy", one could find many correlations to the Bible, and other "good vs evil" scenarios. I actually think more so of the Bible, because of the analogies used. I'll use it next time as well.
<quoted text>
True. His Spirit rising ("transcending the material world") shows what he wanted to teach. Using only the terms "my Father" or other references, shows he was not "God". A gross misinterpretation by Christianity. But oh no, they couldn't have "just a man", the religion wouldn't sell without a "savior".
- which brings me to the concept of the "Redeemed Redeemer" - a concept that has been around long before Christianity came on the scene.
Tobias Churton describes the concept in very good terms in his book, "Gnostic Philosophy: From Ancient Persia to Modern Times"
http://www.amazon.com/Gnostic-Philosophy-Anci...
- IMO, I would also add that, we are already "redeemed", due to attaining the "knowledge" to know our Spirit will transcend into a different world. Honesty is when you can admit you really don't know this is true, until the moment we actually die. If one says otherwise, that they THINK [Self] they are saved, they are just ribbing you, lying to themselves, and in a direct way, lying to others.
- So in essence - we can make remarks of speculation all day long in connection with who is saved, whom isn't, is there heaven or a "hell", etc, etc, etc. You don't know, I don't know, and many, many others, don't know. They use their own mind to make a decision to believe or have faith that they are - all of which are products of Self.
It can't be any simpler than that.
<quoted text>
Untrue. Many men have contributed to our evolution as good people - Krishna, Buddha, Vishnu, Mohammed, and Quetzalcoatl, for example. If one is to limit the potential of anybody, then in essence you have limited your god. Do you limit "God" to just a handful of people to write the texts, and then another 300+ bishops in approx 325 CE to also choose what was written to be the "truth"? I don't. I'd rather allow my heart to dictate my good things in life, by sharing my love with others and receive the same in exchange. No religion is required for this, unless YOU [Self] choose one is required, as you seem to exhort.
Jesus spoke about the Spirit. If you really want to go one more step and read "Paul's" letters carefully, all the while applying how he spoke of "the Spirit" as well, you will also see the reason why, to some people, "Paul" was also considered a "Gnostic".
For one "to know" "Jesus' way" or even "to believe in[/on] me" - one can also now extract that Jesus is speaking of "listen to what I say", not "make your life all about "believing" that I existed".
- Jesus' teaching on being humble shows this to be true as well.
Luke 14:1-11
<quoted text>
I believe he had some very profound words that can help make men and women better people, which can also lend a hand into evolving this generation and future generations from the hatred and bullshite acts that are occurring in today's world. I think humans are better than this, but for the life of me, I'm not seeing any 'betterment', except through Science and technology.
I have ordered the book, and will read it. Confirmed now from Amazon. Now, will you read something? Theology and Sanity by Frank Sheed?

No point in further discussion until we've read each other's mutual sources. God bless and take care.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#432204 Apr 12, 2013
The weekend is here. Pause, and appreciate all that you have. Maybe take some time to understand those you think are wrong.

God bless, and Glory to Jesus Christ forever!
Anthony MN

Hopkins, MN

#432205 Apr 12, 2013
marge wrote:
Anthony
Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
IV. "YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FOR YOURSELF A GRAVEN IMAGE ...">

2129 The divine injunction included the prohibition of every representation of God by the hand of man. Deuteronomy explains: "Since you saw no form on the day that the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire, beware lest you act corruptly by making a graven image for yourselves, in the form of any figure.... "66 It is the absolutely transcendent God who revealed himself to Israel. "He is the all," but at the same time "he is greater than all his works."67 He is "the author of beauty."68

2130 Nevertheless, already in the Old Testament, God ordained or permitted the making of images that pointed symbolically toward salvation by the incarnate Word: so it was with the bronze serpent, the ark of the covenant, and the cherubim.69

2131 Basing itself on the mystery of the incarnate Word, the seventh ecumenical council at Nicaea (787) justified against the iconoclasts the veneration of icons - of Christ, but also of the Mother of God, the angels, and all the saints. By becoming incarnate, the Son of God introduced a new "economy" of images.

2132 The Christian veneration of images is not contrary to the first commandment which proscribes idols. Indeed, "the honor rendered to an image passes to its prototype," and "whoever venerates an image venerates the person portrayed in it."70 The honor paid to sacred images is a "respectful veneration," not the adoration due to God alone:

Religious worship is not directed to images in themselves, considered as mere things, but under their distinctive aspect as images leading us on to God incarnate. The movement toward the image does not terminate in it as image, but tends toward that whose image it is.71

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#432206 Apr 12, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
i will tell you by what authority i understand the Bible if you can tell me by what authority rome has to own christianity?
btw - why are you a "Baptist"; is that God's favorite religion?
Because no one, not even the pope on his own, can claim to understand and interpret the Bible on their own. It is not possible. The Bible is no simple matter for the common person to comprehend in full. That does not mean we should never read it, and try on our own. But never must we claim to interpret for OTHERS what we THINK it means. We have no authority to do so, and no individual does, no priest or pope, pastor or minister. Woe to those that cause the children of God to stumble ... that means even by accident because you thought something meant what it did not.

But through Bible study with the Church, through fellowship with others, we learn more, and can be helped along in our faith. If you do not go to church, and do not fellowship with others, you are not doing what Jesus commanded. Nor will you learn what is needed to fulfill the Great Commission.

What authority does the Church have?

Experience. And whole nations converted over to Christ by the efforts of many, and the prayers of many, and work of many.

Experience always counts more than some upstart like Martin Luther, or some self-righteous Baker couple on TV. And only the WHOLE BODY OF THE CHUCH has authority, as a collective entity. Same for the Baptist Convention, same for the Anglicans, same for them all.

But we are divided, and our enemies are winning souls to atheism and Islam ... while you sit here debating about nonsense.
Religion - A Delusion

Titusville, FL

#432207 Apr 12, 2013
Stop arguing and pray....

"Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen."

So far, all of man's gods have proven to be nothing more than a delusion.

Instead of arguing, why not pray the prayer above?

No? Because it's just delusion.
Religion - A Delusion

Titusville, FL

#432208 Apr 12, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Because no one, not even the pope on his own, can claim to understand and interpret the Bible on their own. It is not possible. The Bible is no simple matter for the common person to comprehend in full. That does not mean we should never read it, and try on our own. But never must we claim to interpret for OTHERS what we THINK it means. We have no authority to do so, and no individual does, no priest or pope, pastor or minister. Woe to those that cause the children of God to stumble ... that means even by accident because you thought something meant what it did not.
But through Bible study with the Church, through fellowship with others, we learn more, and can be helped along in our faith. If you do not go to church, and do not fellowship with others, you are not doing what Jesus commanded. Nor will you learn what is needed to fulfill the Great Commission.
What authority does the Church have?
Experience. And whole nations converted over to Christ by the efforts of many, and the prayers of many, and work of many.
Experience always counts more than some upstart like Martin Luther, or some self-righteous Baker couple on TV. And only the WHOLE BODY OF THE CHUCH has authority, as a collective entity. Same for the Baptist Convention, same for the Anglicans, same for them all.
But we are divided, and our enemies are winning souls to atheism and Islam ... while you sit here debating about nonsense.
Don't forget agnosticism.

Atheism, Islam, and agnosticism.

PS - you can never truly unite based on in a delusion. That's why you need "enemies."

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Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#432209 Apr 12, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
You did not answer the question:
Let me put it another way. The NT has no legitimacy whatsoever if none of the prophesies of the coming messiah were not fulfilled.

I answered it. Just because you don't accept my answer, doesn't make it invalid. If you need clarification on something, then ask about it.

Like me....I disagree with your conclusion - please provide a citation that supports your theory.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
The NT claims they are fulfilled.
Speculation driven by changes to the text. Anyone can fulfil stories that were written and make themselves that "saviour".

You'll have to do better than this.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
So your gospels claim this as well?
Claim what? Hogwash? Made up tales?

No they are more direct to the personal nature of the Spirit.

Why?
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Was your version of Jesus prophesied?
What does this matter? Are you trying to separate Jesus into two different people, when he is only one person?

You shouldn't do this, but then again....what would one expect from someone who believes what men have stated for them to believe.

BTW - you are off-topic a second time. This forum is not about me, Baptist. If you have a comment about the title, then I would suggest you stay focussed and post your retort.

This will be the last post I express to you explaining my irrelevant beliefs.

Thanks!

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Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#432210 Apr 12, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
I have ordered the book, and will read it. Confirmed now from Amazon. Now, will you read something? Theology and Sanity by Frank Sheed?
No point in further discussion until we've read each other's mutual sources. God bless and take care.
I'll put it on my list of things to read, but right now I am reading a BOMC edition of "The History of Magic" a repro of a 1948 book called "The Mirror of Magic" by Kurt Seligmann

http://www.amazon.com/The-history-magic-Kurt-...

....soooooo - you will have to wait a while if you are looking for a "quick response" - it isn't going to happen, your recommendation is on a long list of other book suggestions.

Thanks for the suggestion though.

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Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#432211 Apr 12, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
The weekend is here. Pause, and appreciate all that you have. Maybe take some time to understand those you think are wrong.
God bless, and Glory to Jesus Christ forever!
Better yet:

It is the weekend - don't do anything I would do, and if you do, do it in moderation or not at all.

:o)
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#432212 Apr 12, 2013
marge wrote:
Anthony
Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
Amen Marge,

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#432213 Apr 12, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
THE PROOF IS IN THE POWER AND FULFILLMENT OF GOD'S WORD..
IT ACCOMPLISHES THAT FOR WHICH GOD SENT IT...AND RETURNS TO HIM AS A
RECEIPT/PROOF OF HIS WILL BEING ACCOMPLISHED...
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth:
it shall not return unto me void, but
it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the
thing whereto I sent it.
THE WORDS OF ROME ONLY HAS THE POWER OF THE NATION OF ROME ...IT17'S NOTHING BUT CONFUSION OF FACE...ALL IT ACCOMPLISHES IS ...TO GLORIFY A EARTH BOUND MAN MADE RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION
~~~the word from Rome Italy is not God's word and it does not return to Him because he never spoke it forth.

God does not underwrite that which he has not spoken forth.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#432214 Apr 12, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Because no one, not even the pope on his own, can claim to understand and interpret the Bible on their own. It is not possible. The Bible is no simple matter for the common person to comprehend in full. That does not mean we should never read it, and try on our own. But never must we claim to interpret for OTHERS what we THINK it means. We have no authority to do so, and no individual does, no priest or pope, pastor or minister. Woe to those that cause the children of God to stumble ... that means even by accident because you thought something meant what it did not.
But through Bible study with the Church, through fellowship with others, we learn more, and can be helped along in our faith. If you do not go to church, and do not fellowship with others, you are not doing what Jesus commanded. Nor will you learn what is needed to fulfill the Great Commission.
What authority does the Church have?
Experience. And whole nations converted over to Christ by the efforts of many, and the prayers of many, and work of many.
Experience always counts more than some upstart like Martin Luther, or some self-righteous Baker couple on TV. And only the WHOLE BODY OF THE CHUCH has authority, as a collective entity. Same for the Baptist Convention, same for the Anglicans, same for them all.
But we are divided, and our enemies are winning souls to atheism and Islam ... while you sit here debating about nonsense.
"not even the pope on his own"

you exposed yourself by asserting that the pope has more access to spiritual understanding than the common man. i would say he knows less....or he would have renounced catholicism long ago.....

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#432215 Apr 12, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~the word from Rome Italy is not God's word and it does not return to Him because he never spoke it forth.
God does not underwrite that which he has not spoken forth.
~~~

God's word returned unto Him in creation...

example..

Gen_1:3 And God said, Let there be light:

(the return of His word)-> and there was light.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#432216 Apr 12, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
God's word returned unto Him in creation...
example..
Gen_1:3 And God said, Let there be light:
(the return of His word)-> and there was light.
~~~

What Rome says ...Rome has to make it happen...

What God speaks forth...comes into materializes

therefore God cannot lie...

But Rome has from its inception..

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