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“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431965 Apr 10, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
With you keep voicing it without providing any support, is a typical so-called "Christian" problem. Repeating it does not make it true.
Please name all the witnesses you think testified accurately.
<quoted text>
I've already hsown you that the writings have been changed and now flawed. What more evidence do you need to believe in the evidence?
Or more accurately - you are afraid the Bible is incorrect, which causes a big dent in your theology, so you continue to deny the truths by being dishonest with others and yourself?
Well?
<quoted text>
Citation please.
Oh I get it. Your belief is correct and all others are wrong.
Your arrogance is starting to show.
<quoted text>
Please cite the passage or text that has "God" stating these heresies.
Or are you going to just pass this point of interest on by and go on living a lie told to you by men?
Seriously, where has "God" stated that a specific belief is heresy.
I think you are continuing to lie for your religion and belief.
Where's the honesty?
<quoted text>
You struggle because you let other men dictate for what you are to believe.
Choose Self. Jesus did. Don't you want to be like Jesus?
I'm not really hear on an academic basis. If you keep demanding supporting evidence for things I know to be true, and things which are my opinions, then I'm going to start asking you for the same ... and this whole affair will get VERY bulky and time-consuming.

Can't you pretend this is a conversation? Trust me, I don't lie. And I will not assume you lie.

Arrogance? No. Pure logic. Christianity is a false religion if any of the doctrines are false. Jesus sais He is the only way, then that means all other religions are false. Jesus said He is God, then either He is, or he is a liar and all of Christianity is false. Witnesses said he was Resurrected. Either this is true, or it is all entirely a lie.

The vast majority of Christians actual think Jesus was just a mortal, and a great moral teacher, and that nothing supernatural happened. Well, that cannot be logical. If Jesus is not God, then He is the lunatic, and one of the most evil men in history.

I don't promote anything that has not already been promoted for centuries. Now quit with the accusations, and let us have an open and honest dialogue.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431966 Apr 10, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Unfortunately none of this applies to the 21st C.
You probably also applaud slavery, rape and incest, because all of these are in the Bible that you trust is "true".
You are deluded.
Sigh ...

The same response I get from socialists, atheists, Marxists, Democrats, and Liberals anytime I bring into question their knowledge of historical facts.

Are you really going to go down this path, or are you willing to learn?

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431967 Apr 10, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Why?
Your arrogance is now peeking through my monitor.
What can you test me for? With you just saying this, goes to show you don't know squat about what you think others should be like.
Why aren't you on TV teaching the world?
A: because you don't have anything that does teach and would allow you test someone.
<quoted text>
I'm not ignorant of history, far from it.
You'll have to support your position to show that these horrendous acts didn't occur - or didn't occur as common, or to non-believers.
<quoted text>
Probably not, but these acts sure played a role during those times.
<quoted text>
Looks like the 20th and the 21st centuries trumped this time period.
<quoted text>
Huh?
What are you claiming now? Are you trying to rewrite history?
Good luck with that.
Testing people is not arrogance. It's seeing where people stand.

And lack of knowledge about history is one of the greatest cause of misunderstandings.

Why are you angry about this? Do you not like someone thinking of the Medieval age differently than you do?

I don't have to provide ANY evidence that something DID NOT happen. One cannot prove a negative.

All assertions about history made by Marxists, Protestants, and yourself, requires evidence. If you don't like anything I stated, then research it yourself.

And if you believed ANY of those things as valid, then no, you are NOT knowledgable of history, but conform to the majority of people around you that believe those things with NO supporting evidence.

Take Dark Age for example. Is there any such thing? Of course not. One historian used the term, based on HIS world view that Roman times was the golden age, and it's fall, and barbarian invasions, meant darkness.

That was his world view. That doesn't make it reality. The reality is that there was never a Dark Age. One, older civilization fell, and another, more advanced civilization came along.

And you have a problem with this ... why?

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431968 Apr 10, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>like i stated before the church would not be in existence today if not for the pagan/christian emperor Constantine,every date used is pagan,the outfit of the pope is of pagan origin,the catholic church is a man made pagan/christian church,that is lead by a man referred to as pope,it changed the Sabbath and the commandments with no divine authority. the true church would have all the answers and never change their beliefs,the p/c church does it on a regular basis, Jesus is the leader of the true church,the pope is not,you can't have two leaders.and going by the dark history of the church,there is no way it is the true church,that is impossible.
And what is pagan about it? Name something specific please.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431969 Apr 10, 2013
socci wrote:
<quoted text>
Dont forget the other testament of Mormon and the Koran. They are your fellow Gnostics.
Citation please.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431970 Apr 10, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
Dear RCC friends -
just renounce the statement and position of the vatican that 'the roman catholic church is the only true church' and most of the antagonism against you and this cult should go away.
we're waiting......
So, if they renounce that it is the only true church, then it is no longer a cult?

I didn't know that claiming to be the only church made it a cult.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431971 Apr 10, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
I THINK IT IS ABOUT TIME TO.....
GETTTTTT READY TO RUMMMBBLLE!!!!
Our first contestants up are:
HOJO and GiF (aka Confrinting)
Now gents - the rules are:
1. Be respectful
2. No name calling
3. Must post list links and facts to support what you say
Disqualification will occur if you state differently.
Honesty will help immensely.
Good luck!
:o)
Um, practice what you preach?

I've not been hostile with you, but I've just read several hostile posts from you to me.

That does not bode well.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431972 Apr 10, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
The bible was in the hands of the catholic fathers only. They could edit it anyway they wanted it to read.
Outside the bible there is no story of Jesus, Mary, Joseph, miracles or crucifixion. Thats a lot of faith you put into one source collection of books whose meanings were probably re-written and changed dozens of times to get the catholic message the way their agenda wanted it to be.
Basically all the customs/traditions and elements of christianity were common knowledge throughout the medeteranean 1,000 years before the Jesus story.
Very little UNIQUE about christianity. The only reason it is still around is because of family hand me down tradition. Mom and Dad are catholic/protestant......so shall be the children.
If everyone today was brought up to study and learn about most main religions and those with no beliefs would make one a much better educated person to make a personal choice when that person becomes an adult.
Being indoctrinated from childhood to become just like mom and dad makes no common sense for a true personal belief.
Being born in the west usually means most follow Jesus. Born to a loving family from the east usually means Allah is who you pray to.
Religion is the great divider of mankind......very sad.
What Catholic message?

The Bible does not do a good job supporting the priesthood. Martin Luther basically used what was NOT in the Bible to make his assertions. Nor did the Catholics put down everything of Sacred Tradition into writing, that took way more time, which is now their Catechism I believe.(Not sure, since I'm not a Catholic.)

You are basically accusing people in ancient times of lying.

OK, so I wasn't raised with any religious beliefs. My father was agnostic, and I embraced Ayn Rand and became totally atheist.

Then, after years of historical research, unrelated to any interest in religion at all, I found that Western Civilization is a pretty amazing an unique culture, and began to wonder why. I read, and read, and read. Carroll Quigley helped me understand the Evolution of Civilization, a solid professor, even tutored Bill Clinton himself. Then I read some more.

Conclusion?

Christ was God.

So there goes your theory.

Then there is Korea.

"Silhak scholars saw Christianity as an ideological basis for their beliefs and were therefore attracted to what they saw as the egalitarian values of Christianity.[5] When Christianity was finally established in Korea, there was already a substantial body of educated opinion sympathetic to it, which was crucial to the spread of the Catholic faith in the 1790s.[6] An 1801 study indicated that 55% of all Catholics had family ties to the Silhak school.[7]" --- Wikipedia on Christianity in Korea.

Not exactly how the word of Christ spreads, but alas, scholars met Christ from a different angle.

Why should mankind be united? Of what merit is that? If you accept evolution and natural selection, then this division is EXACTLY what has created so many excellent and interesting culture throughout man's history.

Your world view is confusing.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431973 Apr 10, 2013
http://www.letusreason.org/Current48.htm

Yo, New Age Dude.

(Yes, I'm being a little sarcastic, sorry.)

Is this what you believe?

"Gnosticism was built on Greek philosophy that taught matter was evil and the Spirit was good. They taught docetism, a dualism which promoted a clear separation between the material and spiritual world. Christian Gnostics said since matter was evil, God could not really incarnate in a human body, He only appeared in human form and only appeared to suffer, it was an illusion. It was stated when Jesus walked on the sand you could know by seeing his footprints that were left. In this Jesus could be a pure spiritual being in an evil world and not be contaminated by it."

Well, no wonder you believe most of history to be full of evil.

Would you admit that you world view in then shaped by your religious belief that the material world is evil?

This would, I'm afraid, explain why your arguments and responses are very similar to Marxists (No, I'm NOT accusing you, so don't take that tone with me!)

Who also believe that mankind (though maybe not the material world) is evil, or mostly evil, and therefore must be guided.

This conflicts with Christianity, and Classic Liberalism, for obvious reasons. We believe that man is mostly good (since God created us, or we evolved by natural selection to be most excellent), and therefore perfectly capable of managing most social affairs without any special guidance from other men. Or rather, that the total sum of all decisions made by the collective work just fine, and need not be supplanted by any elite few.(A trust, committee, or soviet for example.)

And therefore, most deeds in history where not evil, and that most people in history made an honest effort to do good.

Therefore we have a conflict based on what we believe.

So how do we prove who is right?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431974 Apr 10, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Could you provide proof that Jesus said those things. Thank you.
I can't, I'm sorry.

Can you prove he said anything in the Bible? Thanks!
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>Could you also provide proof that the Apostle Thomas said those things that Jesus said.
I can't. Thomas is dead, and the texts are speaking much more these days.

What do you have on John, Mark, and Luke?
- IMO - I highly doubt Luke was present to hear Jesus speak, so that is an unlikely source, as he isn't even in the Apostles lists, so that puts him in the "hear-say" column. Another factor that is present on Luke, is practically a verbatim of GoMark with GoThomas mixed in - which tells me the author had those texts in his presence when it was scribed. "GoJohn", the non-Synoptic one (what a rebel!), tells a tale and could be an original Apostle, but unfortunately we don't have any contemporaries to support the story.

That leaves us with GoMark and GoMatthew.

GoMatthew, like GoLuke, seems to be a verbatim to GoMark. Same story, and told pretty much the same way. What Matt gets credit for, is he may be an original Apostles, but like GoLuke, the later dating also spoils the kitty.

Which leaves us to speculate on GoMark.
- An original story. But oops, we have a problem, the ending isn't quite defined, huh? The earliest editions of this text in possession are only 4th century copies - Codex Siniaticus and Vaticanus, and don't have the resurrection occurring in their texts. Which now leaves the impression, that "risen in bodily form" now moves off the table, and one could envision a spiritual resurrection - the Spirit - something Jesus continuously spoke of.
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>BTW, are you listening to men?
Well right now I am, I am watching Toy Hunter. Why?
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>Men said Jesus said. Right?
Yes, we only have documents by men. Continue to be this honest and you may actually understand Jesus. Well, you'll have to believe in Jesus first and what he taught, which isn't what you've decided to do.
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>Jesus never wrote anything down in the NT you know....
Correct. We agree with this statement.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431975 Apr 10, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
New Spiritual Leader:
What do you believe, exactly?
I can tell you what little I have learned of Gnosticism, which does not sound legit. So please correct me, and let's clarify this.
1. That Jesus is the liberator, and Yahweh the evil god keeping us captive on this planet.
2. That this world, and all fleshly things are evil, or inherently evil.
3. That the purpose of life is for our souls to escape this evil bodies, and this evil material world.
That about sums it up.
Tell us what doctrines you hold to.
1. One does not need to believe in evil.
2. If one lives in love, evil is usually far away or not near.
2. Understand that the Spirit is that which motivates and learns to achieve the areas you are "still seeking".
- You have to use a religious platform in order to find comfort. When one realizes that a religious platform or basis is not needed, one moves to a new level of consciousness, as "being one with God". Jesus spoke of it - "to know yourself is to know the kingdom of God". You do believe in this teaching, right?

As for other beliefs - you are actually lucky I posted these. As in the many posts I have done in this forum alone, many have my beliefs listed. If you want to know about them, then go read them.

I will state that this forum is not about me, so asking me to prove this or prove that, you'll have to go elsewhere.

I'm jere to refute the RCC. If you have a beef about Gnosticism - start your own forum and then discuss it. My belief in whatever I do believe in, is really no concern of yours, unless you think it is?

Do you?

*sighs*

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431976 Apr 10, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
1. One does not need to believe in evil.
2. If one lives in love, evil is usually far away or not near.
2. Understand that the Spirit is that which motivates and learns to achieve the areas you are "still seeking".
- You have to use a religious platform in order to find comfort. When one realizes that a religious platform or basis is not needed, one moves to a new level of consciousness, as "being one with God". Jesus spoke of it - "to know yourself is to know the kingdom of God". You do believe in this teaching, right?
As for other beliefs - you are actually lucky I posted these. As in the many posts I have done in this forum alone, many have my beliefs listed. If you want to know about them, then go read them.
I will state that this forum is not about me, so asking me to prove this or prove that, you'll have to go elsewhere.
I'm jere to refute the RCC. If you have a beef about Gnosticism - start your own forum and then discuss it. My belief in whatever I do believe in, is really no concern of yours, unless you think it is?
Do you?
*sighs*
All wait until you read all my posts, before answering.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431977 Apr 10, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not really hear on an academic basis. If you keep demanding supporting evidence for things I know to be true, and things which are my opinions, then I'm going to start asking you for the same ... and this whole affair will get VERY bulky and time-consuming.
Can't you pretend this is a conversation? Trust me, I don't lie. And I will not assume you lie.
Arrogance? No. Pure logic. Christianity is a false religion if any of the doctrines are false. Jesus sais He is the only way, then that means all other religions are false. Jesus said He is God, then either He is, or he is a liar and all of Christianity is false. Witnesses said he was Resurrected. Either this is true, or it is all entirely a lie.
The vast majority of Christians actual think Jesus was just a mortal, and a great moral teacher, and that nothing supernatural happened. Well, that cannot be logical. If Jesus is not God, then He is the lunatic, and one of the most evil men in history.
I don't promote anything that has not already been promoted for centuries. Now quit with the accusations, and let us have an open and honest dialogue.
Of your post...the following statement - if understood correctly - would show that your current belief is actually different than what Jesus taught.

"Jesus said He is the only way, then that means all other religions are false. "
- False conclusion.
- "Jesus' way" is of the Spirit - how we as humans provide for it, and how the Spirit will transcend to the next realm - "God's kingdom".
- this would make ALL religions null and void.

Move past the words and understand their meanings.
Clay

United States

#431978 Apr 10, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
I can't, I'm sorry.
Can you prove he said anything in the Bible? Thanks!

<quoted text>
Correct. We agree with this statement.
Nope, I can't prove Christ is quoted accurately in the Bible. I can't prove the Books that make up the NT are authentic. I can't prove that the gnostic texts are authentic either.
I'm completely relying on the Authority of the Catholic Church to determine both.
You? You're also relying on the declaration of men.
ironic eh?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431979 Apr 10, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Unfortunately none of this applies to the 21st C.
You probably also applaud slavery, rape and incest, because all of these are in the Bible that you trust is "true".
You are deluded.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Sigh ...
The same response I get from socialists, atheists, Marxists, Democrats, and Liberals anytime I bring into question their knowledge of historical facts.
Are you really going to go down this path, or are you willing to learn?
Oh YY, I learn everyday. I've even learned from you. Thanks for sharing.

I've proven that Self is the main character in anyone's life. Which also proves that the RCC is not the "true church for salvation". Which also negates any other branch of Christianity.

I've proven it through texts by Jesus, actual witnesses who have been clinically dead and then came back to life (I wonder if this is what happened to Jesus - he had a NDE and survived?), and biblical scholars showing that scribal changes and deliberate changes by those dictating the words - all additional support to show that Christianity is a false doctrine.

Whereas - your proof through belief and opinion just doesn't cut it. Years of study, you say? You are starting to sound exactly like GiF ("Confrinting..." to you). Maybe you should compare notes and then come up with a game plan against the RCC.

Thanks for responding!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431980 Apr 10, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Um, practice what you preach?
I've not been hostile with you, but I've just read several hostile posts from you to me.
That does not bode well.
Not hostile - direct. I'm like that. Live with it.

I figured, I'll be direct with those who want to hide behind shadows, that way they know where I stand.

How you perceive it [Self], is your choice [Self]. Live with it [Self].

Refuting it all day long - is Self.
Playing the knowledgeable one - is Self.
Believing the way you do - is Self.

You have nothing to give me, as you think you do. Because anything you attempt to give, becomes my choice - thru Self - to either accept it or deny it. Imagine that - just like you with the words I post.

Self.

When you want to reach 'that' next level, then put history aside. It won't be needed.

I'll be here to help you when you want to be truly honest with yourself and others.

Cheers!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431981 Apr 10, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
All wait until you read all my posts, before answering.
I did and answered them.

Thanks for posting!
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#431982 Apr 10, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, you're going to have to explain that to some of the best Theologians in Protestant history, who never deny that Catholics wrote the Bible. They may not admit the word "Catholic" was used.
Or, you may be going off of Fox's Book of Martyrs, which has truth, but also false legends told by liars.
SOME Protestants make the argument that there were no Chrisitans until recent times, and that all lived in darkness. But this argument has no evidence.
The early Christians were Catholic. That is an absolute fact, on the name of Jesus Christ Himself, our Lord. Do not argue with me, tell that to the Savior you proclaim to believe, while denouncing His Church in the same breath.
Woe to those that cause the children of God to stumble.
Provide the name of these theologians who said the Roman Catholics wrote the Bible. The Jews wrote every word in the Bible other than those written by Luke. All of which was inspired by the Holy Spirit. Not one

You said, quote, "The early Christians were Catholic. That is an absolute fact, on the name of Jesus Christ Himself, our Lord. Do not argue with me, tell that to the Savior you proclaim to believe, while denouncing His Church in the same breath." End quote.

You are the dumbest person I have ever encountered. The early Christians were JEWISH....you moron. Was Peter a Jew? Yes or no. If not you better re-write Acts 10. When did the Church have it's beginning.....Pentecost. Read Acts 2. Was Paul a Jew? Yes or no. Was John a Jew? Yes or no. How about Jesus? Was He a Jew or was he a Roman Catholic?

You said, quote "Woe to those that cause the children of God to stumble." End quote.

Try reading these verses......

Galatians 1:8-9, 8 "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed."

Go back to your hole. You are nothing more than a Roman Catholic pretending to be a Baptist. Every Baptist I know would disown you and your theology from hell.

Roman Catholics believe the following:

Prayers for the dead
Making the sign of the cross
Veneration of angels, dead saints, and images
Mass a daily ritual
Exaltation of Mary, term "Mother of God"
Extreme Unction
Purgatory
Latin used in worship
Prayers offered to Mary, dead saints and angels
Kissing the pope's feet
Temporal power of popes
Veneration of cross, images, relics
Holy water
Fasting on Fridays and Lent
Mass as a sacrifice and attendance made mandatory
Celibacy of priests
Rosary
Sale of indulgences
Seven sacraments
Transubstantiation
Confession to a priest instead of God
Adoration of the wafer (Jesus is a cracker)
The cup forbidden to the laity at communion
Tradition has equal authority with the Bible
Apocryphal books are added to the Bible
Immaculate conception of Mary (actually deception)
Salvation by baptism
Infallibility of the pope
Assumption of Mary
Mary proclaimed the "Mother of the Church"

Do Baptists believe these things? I think not. You are no Baptist. You are a Roman Catholic in Baptist clothing. Much like a wolf in sheeps clothing. Do you understand?

Since: Jun 10

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#431983 Apr 10, 2013
972
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
What Catholic message?
The Bible does not do a good job supporting the priesthood. Martin Luther basically used what was NOT in the Bible to make his assertions. Nor did the Catholics put down everything of Sacred Tradition into writing, that took way more time, which is now their Catechism I believe.(Not sure, since I'm not a Catholic.)
You are basically accusing people in ancient times of lying.
OK, so I wasn't raised with any religious beliefs. My father was agnostic, and I embraced Ayn Rand and became totally atheist.
Then, after years of historical research, unrelated to any interest in religion at all, I found that Western Civilization is a pretty amazing an unique culture, and began to wonder why. I read, and read, and read. Carroll Quigley helped me understand the Evolution of Civilization, a solid professor, even tutored Bill Clinton himself. Then I read some more.
Conclusion?
Christ was God.
So there goes your theory.
Then there is Korea.
"Silhak scholars saw Christianity as an ideological basis for their beliefs and were therefore attracted to what they saw as the egalitarian values of Christianity.[5] When Christianity was finally established in Korea, there was already a substantial body of educated opinion sympathetic to it, which was crucial to the spread of the Catholic faith in the 1790s.[6] An 1801 study indicated that 55% of all Catholics had family ties to the Silhak school.[7]" --- Wikipedia on Christianity in Korea.
Not exactly how the word of Christ spreads, but alas, scholars met Christ from a different angle.
Why should mankind be united? Of what merit is that? If you accept evolution and natural selection, then this division is EXACTLY what has created so many excellent and interesting culture throughout man's history.
Your world view is confusing.
Jesus was not..is not God the Father

Even as true worshipers of God recognize that the will or desire of God is superior to their own will or desire, Jesus acknowledged God's will was superior to his own. In acknowledging this, Jesus indicates that he was inferior to God. Thus, at the time just before his death, the Bible says, at Luke 22:41 & 42:

"And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless, not my will, but thine, be done."

At the time of Jesus' resurrection from the dead, Jesus spoke to Mary Magdalene, as described in the Book of John, at chapter 20 and verse 17, which reads:

"Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

Inasmuch as Mary was not ascending, but Jesus was, this passage is telling us that Jesus was going to ascend to heaven, where his father already was - the one he describes here as his God.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431984 Apr 10, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Of your post...the following statement - if understood correctly - would show that your current belief is actually different than what Jesus taught.
"Jesus said He is the only way, then that means all other religions are false. "
- False conclusion.
- "Jesus' way" is of the Spirit - how we as humans provide for it, and how the Spirit will transcend to the next realm - "God's kingdom".
- this would make ALL religions null and void.
Move past the words and understand their meanings.
Not if I accept the Bible and the official gospels. You keep speaking as if I must accept your opinion that the other Gnostics gospels are correct.

Not a false conclusion, when only those gospels are considered. Neither Jesus or the Apostles indicated that coming to God by any other means was endorsed. Sorry.

Nor is that theologically sound. We don't lose our bodies and become pure spirits. The Resurrection is the recreation of our bodies and merging of our spirits with that body once and for all time. So whatever afterlife there is, it is not entirely spiritual, but a combination of both.

And what is spirit? That is a wholly separate issue. We can only imagine what we know, so we really don't know what spiritual is, at all. THe best speculation is that it is a physical reality much more eternal, and "hard" then this one. Think of the Matrix. There is no reason whatsoever to think of the Kingdom of God as some warm and fuzzy place where we have no bodies and not physics. But no one knows, nor claims to know.

And why would that make all religions null and void? Did Jesus condemn the old rituals of the Jews?

Yes indeed, move past the words and get to their meaning. That is the very essence of theology.

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