Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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Clay

United States

#431883 Apr 10, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
Clay
Boston, MA......i see your visiting Boston again,you come to see the red sox play?
Nah, still in MN. We're getting a foot of snow tonight. The twins play this weekend and its going to be like December baseball.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#431884 Apr 10, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
You guys desperately want to get into a Bible verse warfare fight. Honestly, this seems to get your blood rushing, as you sling those passages at each other, as if you'd feel justified as you stand before God, because you saw verse chapter verse and you formed it to what you needed it to say.
The Catholic Church came before one line of the NT was written down. You can read some of the historical account in the Book of Acts. But not all of the details of the CC will be spelled out in Scripture. But all of the teachings are somehow seen in the 73 Books that make up the Bible.
You wrote

The Catholic Church came before one line of the NT was written down. You can read some of the historical account in the Book of Acts. But not all of the details of the CC will be spelled out in Scripture.

But all of the teachings are somehow seen in the 73 Books that make up the Bible.

~~~
Either produce them ...GIVE EVIDENCE or STOP WASTING MY TIME...

I CONTEND THAT ALL YOU ARE DOING IS BLOWING SMOKE...THAT YOU REALLY

HAVE NO PROOF...AND THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT ISSUE

THAT DECIDES THE ETERNAL DESTINY OF MY SOUL...

( IF YOU COME UP WITH SOMEONES ALLEGED HEARSAY ...THAT PROVES NOTHING...)

I have given you books chapters and verses ....to witness, and

validate what I have written.

THE ONLY WITNESSES ACCEPTABLE from you IS BOOKS CHAPTERS AND VERSES...

IF YOU CAN'T PRODUCE THEM, I AINT BUYING IT.

Jesus said..

Joh_8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Joh_8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

I am free in the truth.. A joint heir with Christ...a fellow

citizen of the saints of the household of God.

I refuse to be involves in your divided loyalties.

Eph_2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

I refuse to bring my self under the servitude to/OF an earthly dynasty...in ROME ITALY

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#431885 Apr 10, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Imagine a 'church' with a hundred OldJG's in it. Then imagine one across the street with a hundred Pope Francis' in it. Scary.
I think I know which one I'm going to.
I think your hate is so deep rooted now it starts to feel 'right' to ya. That's how the devil works. That's how he infiltrates us.
~~~

There are some of us here in this forum, that will be a part of

those that are mentioned in Revelation...

Rev_7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

If you get there you will come....> by the old cross road and the

way called straight...there is just on way through the pearly

gates <.... only through the blood of Jesus

AND NO ONE HAS A FRANCHISE NOR A MONOPOLY ON GOD'S LOVE AND GRACE..

not even a selfish ROMAN CATHOLIC, such as you.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#431886 Apr 10, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, I'm Baptist. And all I can do is pray that you grow in your faith and study history more. Everything I stated is ALSO taught by Baptist, except the priesthood and papal authority. No Protestant denomination denies the validity of the Early Church in its uniformity in doctrine. Gnostics, Arians, Cathars, and all other heretics are our heretics to us as well because of the same doctrines we share. No, the word Catholic was not used in Paul's time, of course, there was no "universal church" yet. But once many churches existed, that was the obvious thing to call all the Christian Churches.
And I'm sure you understood that I meant the Catholics wrote the New Testament, not the Old. Inspired by and breathed by God, but written by men. not dictated, as the Muslims claim with the Koran.
I'm sorry most of the myths you probably believed in are directly denied, but the truth is the truth.
OK, you are just an ignorant Baptist then. The Old Testament was written by Jews and the New Testament was written by Jews with the exception of Luke and Acts which were written by Dr. Luke, a gentile. You need to check your history. The ROMAN CATHOLIC cult or any of it's members did not write one word of the Bible. Not one.

Finally, the word "catholic", small "c" was and is the word for the UNIVERSAL church not the ROMAN CATHOLIC cult. The ROMAN CATHOLIC cult began with Constantine. Ever heard of him?

Marks of the New Testament church are revealed in

1. Its Head and Founder--CHRIST. He is the law-giver; the Church is only the executive.(Matthew 16:18; Colossians 1:18)

2. Its only rule of faith and practice--THE BIBLE.
(II Timothy 3:15-17)

3. Its name--"CHURCH," "CHURCHES."
(Matthew 16:18; Revelation 22:16)

4. Its polity--CONGREGATIONAL--all members equal.
(Matthew 20:24-28; Matthew 23:5-12)

5. Its members--only saved people.(Ephesians 2:21; I Peter 2:5)

6. Its ordinances--BELIEVERS' BAPTISM, FOLLOWED BY THE LORD'S SUPPER.(Matthew 28:19-20)

7. Its work--getting folks saved, baptizing them (with a baptism that meets all the requirements of God's Word), teaching them ("to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you").(Matthew 28:16-20)

8. Its financial plan--"Even so (TITHES and OFFERINGS) hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel," (I Corinthians 9:14)

9. Its weapons of warfare--spiritual, not carnal.
(II Corinthians 10:4; Ephesians 6:10-20)

10. Its independence--separation of Church and State.
(Matthew 22:21)

In any town there are many different churches all claiming to be the true church. Take the marks, or teachings, of the different churches and find the ones which have these marks, or doctrines. The ones which have these marks, or doctrines, taught in God's Word, are the true churches.

True Bible-Believing churches existed before the ROMAN CATHOLIC cult. The ROMAN CATHOLIC cult as we know it can trace its beginnings back to the Emperor Constantine in the forth century, AD. The true Church of God started at Pentecost in the first century, and there have been true Bible-believing churches ever since. Jesus said to the Apostles, "lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world" (Matthew 28:20). The birth of the New Testament church began at Pentecost.

If you have any questions check history.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#431887 Apr 10, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Jethro8--if your posts were (really) true catholic history,(as you claim), the Catholic Church wouldn't continue to be the largest Christian Church in the world, year after year (as it has been for over 2000 years)-NOR would it be growing "each and every year" at a rate exceeding 1.5% per year, so you see, there is "nothing valid" as to what you claim to be true...... It is all anti-catholic Protestant "hack" sources of "distorted and heretical "editorialize opinionated deception"----basically "fraudulent" (misrepresentation of fact). Or better yet termed "bible only" attempts to "re-write" and spin the TRUTH of over 2000 years of TRUE Apostolic Church History--------- by "desperate and frustrated Protestants" who cannot come up with ANYTHING biblical or historicall TRUE to back up their contradicting and inconsistent sola scriptura "man-made beliefs!!
WRONG! it is the biggest christian/pagan church, Jesus did not put a name to his church, Ignatius did, Jesus was Jewish,there was a group of Jewish/Christians centuries ago but they came after Jesus' death,so he was a Jew, Rome conquered Israel,murdered,raped and pillaged the country,the pagan/christian leaders were right there stealing religious writings and artifacts (which should be given back to them)including the christian church of Antioch, so why would a Jew reward them by building "HIS" church in a pagan country that conquered his homeland ETC.? is it just me or does anyone else see something wrong with that picture? Jesus is the only head of His church (Eph. 1:22-23),the church calls the pope the Vicar of Christ on earth (no references in the Bible),that would mean two leaders of the true church,true? yes it would be true, but since there can only be one and jesus is the one according to the legend, the pope is a meaningless position in the religious world,he is the head of the man made pagan/christian church,which cares more for power and money than it does for it's followers,we know what proves that,so no need to mention it,tired of doing that."MY CHURCH" clearly spoken by Jesus and clearly written in the bible,there is no other name attached to the church neither spoken or written,so no man made church can not with 100% accuracy claim to be the true church.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#431888 Apr 10, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
And you think that your anti-catholic sources of "negativity" of which is "predicated upon" (spinning church history) the way you (modernistic "fundies") want it to be, is "now" suppose to be believed as true. You "fundies" have a 21st century "agenda" of RE- writing and "making up" your own Protestant "fictitious" Church History book, similiar to what a UCLA professor did in 1999 when he wrote a book claiming that the "Nazi-Jewish Holocaust"--NEVER EXISTED! This history writer "hack" did just what you "fundies" are attempting to do---rewrite, distort, manipulate and lie about 2000 years of TRUE APOSTOLIC CHURCH HISTORY. I/we as Catholics, will continue to follow, believe and adhere to the TRUTH of TRUE Church History from the documented and authenticated writings from the Early Church Fathers, the biographical Lives of the Saints, the Apologistic authors and historian writers (both CAtholic and Protestant), the Apostles, Bishops and Popes that followed them in Apostolic Succession, the confirmation of the TRUE interpretation of the bible from the Doctrine of Encyclicals and the Catholic Catechism.......... You Jethro8 can believe all of your "made up" Protestant fictitious History legends that you can "dig up" which are filled with anti-catholic (vindictive) "negativity and heretical (myths). We as Catholics will turn to Jesus Christs One True Apostolic Catholic Church and will CONTINUE to follow the TRUTH of the Gospel of Jesus, the TRUE Interpretation of the bible and 2000 years of TRUE CHURCH HISTORY! Again--you and the rest of your bible only "fundies" continue to be like Peter before his true conversion to Jesus Christ----YOU FISH AND CATCH "NOTHING"!!
I post true church history and i ask you questions and you refuse to answer them because you can't refute the truth.if i was posting "made up" Protestant fictitious History legends,you would be able to prove my history wrong,and you can't.you post the same old thing relentlessly,no facts,no history no nothing,so what i'm posting has to be true otherwise you'd be jumping all over me with true historical facts,yet you don't no one does,so face it,you follow a church,nothing special about it except it's the most corrupt perverted church on earth,other than that it's just a fancy tourist trap...True Apostolic Catholic Church.....no such thing i proved that.....2000 years of TRUE CHURCH HISTORY!......has no meaning except to the church itself.and since they are very good at lying and cover ups,there history can not be trusted.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#431889 Apr 10, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
OK Protestants, let's stop with the Catholic-bashing. While there may have been a legitimate reason to explode into separate churches during the time of Martin Luther, those days a long gone, and any reason or justification to remain separate now is very questionable. Were there many in the Church that were corrupt and unfaithful? Of course, always have been, and always will. Is that an excuse to leave it? No.
Undeniable facts. Jesus established one church. That's how God rolls, and always has. He did not make two tribes to be the priesthood, he made one, the Levites. There is only one priesthood, one moral authority, one God, one Church. All ancient records confirm this. The word "catholic" was used in the 1st Century, as was the Eucharist and everything else.
In Martin Luther's days, they didn't have the means to confirm much of this. So a lot of nonsense erupted that is proven untrue now. Modern evidence confirms more than ever that the Catholic Church, or at the very LEAST, the Orthodox Church, had it right.
What really irks me is that most Catholics are not Catholics, and many Protestants are more Catholic than Catholics. And yet, what irks me even more, is that far ... FAR more protestors are out there in front of Planned Parenthood, or at the Walk for Life, then evangelicals. Why is that?
And guess what? Even the Catholic philosopher Peter Kreeft acknowledges that Protestants DO have something going, they have the Holy Spirit, and that is why Latin Americans are leaving the Catholics and going Protestant in great numbers. He admits this. A Catholic.
So, does that mean we should remain divided? Or try and unite the Holy Spirit and the One True Church again? More than ever, in this day in age, we must unite. That means putting aside your pride and your hubris. That means Catholics better stop saying they are proud to be Catholic, and start calling yourself Christians, as that is what you really are. And that means Protestant or Evangelicals need to stop with the misinformation and lies you keep spouting about your Brothers and Sisters in Christ.
jesus states he is going to build a church,no name just "my church" where you learn his fathers word,never mentions creating a religion,just talks about spreading his fathers word,so a reality check says man created religion, not god or jesus.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#431890 Apr 10, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Nah, still in MN. We're getting a foot of snow tonight. The twins play this weekend and its going to be like December baseball.
you can have the snow,i'm done with that,need rain to help get my plants growing.yard needs a lot of work since the flood washed everything away.i'm not much of a baseball fan,i am a vikings fan though,have been since the 60's and i'm a patriots fan also. well good luck to the twins if they get to play.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#431891 Apr 10, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>WRONG! it is the biggest christian/pagan church, Jesus did not put a name to his church, Ignatius did, Jesus was Jewish,there was a group of Jewish/Christians centuries ago but they came after Jesus' death,so he was a Jew, Rome conquered Israel,murdered,raped and pillaged the country,the pagan/christian leaders were right there stealing religious writings and artifacts (which should be given back to them)including the christian church of Antioch, so why would a Jew reward them by building "HIS" church in a pagan country that conquered his homeland ETC.? is it just me or does anyone else see something wrong with that picture? Jesus is the only head of His church (Eph. 1:22-23),the church calls the pope the Vicar of Christ on earth (no references in the Bible),that would mean two leaders of the true church,true? yes it would be true, but since there can only be one and jesus is the one according to the legend, the pope is a meaningless position in the religious world,he is the head of the man made pagan/christian church,which cares more for power and money than it does for it's followers,we know what proves that,so no need to mention it,tired of doing that."MY CHURCH" clearly spoken by Jesus and clearly written in the bible,there is no other name attached to the church neither spoken or written,so no man made church can not with 100% accuracy claim to be the true church.
For those that believe in Jesus, christians to this day still argue over who killed him. Wouldn't christians at least know that information?

We know through historical records there were many men in Judea 2,000 years ago claiming to be the messiah. Why weren't they rounded up and crucified?

Back in the day historical records indicate that Jews did not crucify people but stoned them to death. Romans crucified people.

Christians claim they know Jesus, but don't know his date of birth, don't know what he did to support himself (his father supposedly a carpenter) don't know the date he died, and still don't know what group was responsible for his death if this man even existed.

There might have been a man who did good deeds back in the day, and if there was, christians have done everything to take his own heritage away, by taking the Jew out of this man making him their own.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#431892 Apr 10, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>jesus states he is going to build a church,no name just "my church" where you learn his fathers word,never mentions creating a religion,just talks about spreading his fathers word,so a reality check says man created religion, not god or jesus.
If Jesus is the answer from God the Father, why would God create Muslims, Hindus, Jews, and non believers?

Organized religions divide people. We see it everyday. Wouldn't an all knowing God create all of us the same with the same mission instead of dividing us into groups of hatred and bigotry? Just read HOJO's posts. A prime example.

MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#431893 Apr 10, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Nah, still in MN. We're getting a foot of snow tonight.
.
Clay says.......We're getting a foot of snow tonight.

Michael says......Why would your ancestors settle so far north?

Since: Nov 08

usa

#431894 Apr 10, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
For those that believe in Jesus, christians to this day still argue over who killed him. Wouldn't christians at least know that information?
We know through historical records there were many men in Judea 2,000 years ago claiming to be the messiah. Why weren't they rounded up and crucified?
Back in the day historical records indicate that Jews did not crucify people but stoned them to death. Romans crucified people.
Christians claim they know Jesus, but don't know his date of birth, don't know what he did to support himself (his father supposedly a carpenter) don't know the date he died, and still don't know what group was responsible for his death if this man even existed.
There might have been a man who did good deeds back in the day, and if there was, Christians have done everything to take his own heritage away, by taking the Jew out of this man making him their own.
Jesus very common name back then and today,he preached a different word than the leaders of the day did,so he was a heretic,blasphemer,he started to develop a following,so he had to be disposed of. he was just a man who saw the evil in the world and tried to create a way to change it,by writing books about "A GOD" AND after he was murdered by the Romans,his followers picked up the story where he left off,that is why it took 400 yrs to complete the greatest story ever told. when someone dies,religious people say god called him home, a few weeks ago two teenagers tried to rob a lady pushing her baby in a stroller,one of them shot the baby in the face killing him, did god call that baby home? did he send the teen that fired the shot that killed the baby? he must of,if he calls other people home when they die,so it would have to apply to that poor baby...real nice god you people have.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#431895 Apr 10, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Imagine a 'church' with a hundred OldJG's in it. Then imagine one across the street with a hundred Pope Francis' in it. Scary.
I think I know which one I'm going to.
I think your hate is so deep rooted now it starts to feel 'right' to ya. That's how the devil works. That's how he infiltrates us.
Do you not understand what being raised incorruptable means. Their will be no one in with the faults and characterisics of this wordly flesh.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431896 Apr 10, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
But, if I remember correctly, aren't you a Gnostic? Forgive me if I am mistaken, but there are many foul people in these last 2000 years putting words in Jesus's mouth that never were uttered.
Yes I am.

You do bring up another exacting point above:

"Forgive me if I am mistaken, but there are many foul people in these last 2000 years putting words in Jesus's mouth that never were uttered."
- How are we to know whom is truthful and whom are not?
- is it wise for men to make religions about the texts they ONLY think are true?
- Why is only a half of Jesus is believed in, because if I were to use your statement and logic above, your portion of Jesus is created as well.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431897 Apr 10, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Well there is only one banner, Christ, that is true. And if they did delight in saying they were right all along, then they would not be very good Christians ... and all the more reason to reunite. Too many Catholics are outright heathens. We let Luther take the Church from us, we can take it back.:)
"Well there is only one banner, Christ, that is true."
- opinion
- there is no proof that Jesus rose in bodily form - that would be only belief.
- for something to be true - there must be facts that back up the claim. So far, all you have is circumstantial.

"Too many Catholics are outright heathens."
- only men have claimed other men to be this.
- "God" never stated that a specific religion or belief is heresy and those who practice those beliefs are heathens. You are reaching.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431898 Apr 10, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
Clay, Anthony, how many converts have you gotten with that tactic?
Probably not many, right? Let's try a different approach.
You need to clean you house before you call others dirty. It is a tragedy that all of Europe has pretty much been lost, on your watch. It is more of a tragedy that more Protestants wanted Rick Santorum than Catholics did, and that the vast majority of Catholics are liberal, unrepentant, abortion-defending, and full of feminist nuns who openly defy the pope.
You want to win over the Protestants? Then be better than them. Clean out your house of heathens. Quit trying not to rock the boat in politics, and start acting like the moral authority that Christ empowered you to be.
Basically, quit being cowards because Martin Luther beat you over the head. Now we need the Medieval Church. We need Thomas Aquinas. We need you to get Medieval again ... and then the Protestants might take notice, and wonder if they are in the right Church or not.
Jesus did not come to bring peace ...
"Now we need the Medieval Church. We need Thomas Aquinas. We need you to get Medieval again ... "

- if you can't beat them - BEAT, BURN AND TORTURE them. Let's get "medieval"??!!

Christianity does divide.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431899 Apr 10, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Not so. I've been dealing with the most vile of human beings the Internet has to offer. Just google Yankee Yahoo, and see how many battles have been in over the year. And yes, I did get jaded, and let the world make me a little bitter.
But no more. You have no idea what seeds you might be planting. Maybe you're tactics were better in the beginning, maybe not. But not trying is a sin, and not doing your very best is a sin, and giving up and letting yourself become bitter is a sin.
And I assure, Protestants are listening. I am still one. I am a Baptist, and already I see something stirring in the hearts of both sides. More and more Protestants are speaking well of Catholics, and my own church let a Catholic speak to our whole flock on matters that concern us both. Why am I not Catholic yet? Because my family is not convinced. But we have more young Catholics doing Bible-studies, long overdue, at UNM standing up against the enemy. And we have Catholics coming to Protestant Bible study ... not to try and cause trouble, but learn that we have more in common than we realize.
The seeds have been planted. Now pray like your life depends on it, because it does. The hate and bigotry is nothing what the Saints endured, and not even close to what Our Lord endured. Gather the strength, and redouble your efforts, brother.
Baptist? Is that the best you can be?

You say you believe in all what Jesus taught, but you are Baptist.

I think you are trying to pull a fast one over someone.

If you were to believe in all of what Jesus taught, you would/could not be Baptist.

Please don't mislead others.
Clay

United States

#431900 Apr 10, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Clay says.......We're getting a foot of snow tonight.
Michael says......Why would your ancestors settle so far north?
My Dads Mother is Ojibway. She didn't have much of a choice. The rest of my ancestors came from Ireland. There were good jobs in MN on the rail road and factories, so they came here. Part of me wishes they were citrus farmers instead, and settled in Florida.
Clay

United States

#431901 Apr 10, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
You wrote
The Catholic Church came before one line of the NT was written down. You can read some of the historical account in the Book of Acts. But not all of the details of the CC will be spelled out in Scripture.
But all of the teachings are somehow seen in the 73 Books that make up the Bible.
~~~
Either produce them ...GIVE EVIDENCE or STOP WASTING MY TIME...
I CONTEND THAT ALL YOU ARE DOING IS BLOWING SMOKE...THAT YOU REALLY
HAVE NO PROOF...AND THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT ISSUE
THAT DECIDES THE ETERNAL DESTINY OF MY SOUL...
( IF YOU COME UP WITH SOMEONES ALLEGED HEARSAY ...THAT PROVES NOTHING...)
I have given you books chapters and verses ....to witness, and
validate what I have written.
THE ONLY WITNESSES ACCEPTABLE from you IS BOOKS CHAPTERS AND VERSES...
IF YOU CAN'T PRODUCE THEM, I AINT BUYING IT.
Jesus said..
Joh_8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Joh_8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
I am free in the truth.. A joint heir with Christ...a fellow
citizen of the saints of the household of God.
I refuse to be involves in your divided loyalties.
Eph_2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
I refuse to bring my self under the servitude to/OF an earthly dynasty...in ROME ITALY
Again, if you demand Book, Chapter Verse to prove the Catholic faith. Then you MUST provide Book, Chapter, Verse where Christ commands that Book, Chapter, verse is to be His authority on His Ministry. Its unheard of before the Protestants. You know that.
Besides, I show you Biblical references to Catholicism, but you reject it anyway. In fact, you reject anything that is not coming from your mouth on sacred scripture. I can show you writings from the Disciples of the Apostles concerning sacred scripture. They contradict your interpretations, so you reject it.
Good luck with that.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#431902 Apr 10, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
You wrote
The Catholic Church came before one line of the NT was written down. You can read some of the historical account in the Book of Acts. But not all of the details of the CC will be spelled out in Scripture.
But all of the teachings are somehow seen in the 73 Books that make up the Bible.
~~~
Either produce them ...GIVE EVIDENCE or STOP WASTING MY TIME...
I CONTEND THAT ALL YOU ARE DOING IS BLOWING SMOKE...THAT YOU REALLY
HAVE NO PROOF...AND THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT ISSUE
THAT DECIDES THE ETERNAL DESTINY OF MY SOUL...
( IF YOU COME UP WITH SOMEONES ALLEGED HEARSAY ...THAT PROVES NOTHING...)
I have given you books chapters and verses ....to witness, and
validate what I have written.
THE ONLY WITNESSES ACCEPTABLE from you IS BOOKS CHAPTERS AND VERSES...
IF YOU CAN'T PRODUCE THEM, I AINT BUYING IT.
Jesus said..
Joh_8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Joh_8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
I am free in the truth.. A joint heir with Christ...a fellow
citizen of the saints of the household of God.
I refuse to be involves in your divided loyalties.
Eph_2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
I refuse to bring my self under the servitude to/OF an earthly dynasty...in ROME ITALY
~~~

Obviously from the trend of the assessment/judgments of the above post...

all you Roman Catholics have to offer is just more insults.

Your sordid ungodly history means nothing...for from the track record it reveals

it shows no semblance of a Christian Church.

It's history is full of torture murder that occurred over a period of 650 years...CURRENTLY ... child molesters sodomizes and homosexuals AND BEHIND IT ALL IS THE EVIL SPIRIT OF arrogance pride AND

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