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“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#431270 Apr 5, 2013
Preston, you spirit. This is for you for lying on the Lord God claiming that He spoke to you and revealed something to you.

http://www.theseason.org/ezekiel/ezekiel13.ht...

False prophecy and lying divinations. Folks, anytime one of these half stepping, holier than thou so called Christians start claiming that God spoke to them..........RUN from them as fast as your l'il old feet can carry you,LOL.
Clay

United States

#431271 Apr 5, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
As a gay man I would like to tell the forum something. America seems to be on the road to ruination for they seem to be heading towards approving gay marriage. People, you need to start struggling against this for if America does approve of gay marriage I assure you that this is gonna invite Gods judgement against this country.
No to Gay marriage.
A gay man, against gay marriage??

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#431272 Apr 5, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
A gay man, against gay marriage??
Yes. I prefer the favor of the Lord over the pleasures of the flesh.
Clay

United States

#431273 Apr 5, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>Yes. I prefer the favor of the Lord over the pleasures of the flesh.
That's commendable. Now if only straight people could follow your lead.
Religion - A Delusion

Titusville, FL

#431274 Apr 5, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>That is because as you put it (it) does not make any sense.
You have every right to believe what you want,but let me just interject some real truth of the matter to you,and perhaps you might want to think it through.
Nevertheless,the only way you can fully understand what I tell you is if you go to God in humility and sekk His understanding on the matter.
First of all God is ONE.But the truth of that is He is ONE, with 3 separate Living Beings that share in total: Essence,Substance,Intelligence ,Purpose and Reality.G o d cannot be defined as we humans would view, one person standing at a door, for instance.But 3 Persons standing at a door who are O N E G o d.The Father,Son and Holy Spirit.
God can only be defined from the Scriptures as the GODHEAD,which is the Father,Son and Holy Spirit.Jesus is the fulfillment of the GODHEAD in that He totally represents G o d as the Son INCARNATE.
In other words God is not just the Father,or the Son or the Holy Spirit,but all 3 Divine Persons as ONE,Everlasting God,WHO is the Creator,of all that is seen and unseen.
The mathematical equation for GOD is quite simple ((1x1x1=ONE)).Naturally if you add 1+1+1=3. The uniqueness of God being ONE in 3 Persons includes all that is Willed and purposed as the three will not operate without each other in total harmony,yet the Father (the LORD,YHWH) is sovereign,both the Son and the Holy Spirit are submissive to Him. The Son is of the Essence of the Father,and naturally the Holy Spirit is assumed in both the Father and the Son,in that HE takes on the character,quality,and essence of them both,yet He according to Scripture is our Comforter,teacher,and Guide.
There is much to understand about the GODHEAD or Trinity,and your limited understanding of Jesus in regards to what He said on the Cross,needs on your part to discover the truth about the GODHEAD.
Also the very fact that Jesus IS both the Son of M a n, and the Son of God brings in a n o t h e r aspect to how He on the Cross in the flesh, reacted to His Father who perceived Jesus as S I N.
It is the whole mystery of our faith that Jesus was crucified,was buried and ROSE again. That entails both His humanity and Divinity,your post completely limits that in your understanding.
Delusional.

You say God did all these things for the world - but in reality - God did all this in virtual secrecy?

Why was his so-called coming such a secret, if indeed he wanted to "save" mankind?

We have no actual eyewitness accounts. It's even debatable if a man named Jesus really lived, yet alone was a 3 in 1 god.

It took hundreds of years and lots of infighting before Jesus' nature was even agreed upon -- and only then thanks to a decree by a Roman Emperor.

There are no records anywhere outside the contrived Bible of things such as Herod having children killed. Something such as that surely would have been recorded by the Jews and everyone else in the region -- but the only account we have is a Biblical fable.

Absurd.

Delusional.

Your god plays too many games for such a serious matter. Even today, few can agree on what it all is supposed to mean. This board is a prime example.

Wars have been fought, because a supposed god of peace is so unclear.

Maybe that's the god of humor instead?
Religion - A Delusion

Titusville, FL

#431275 Apr 5, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>Yes. I prefer the favor of the Lord over the pleasures of the flesh.
Women (witches).

Gays.

People of other nations.

Typical. Who else does your god tell you to hate?
Clay

United States

#431276 Apr 5, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
I am going to attempt to give you scripture to validate each of the things I supposedly changed...
____
1.Start with the Eucharist. He undid what Jesus Christ started and all his Apostles taught.
I said that Jesus did not use fermented wine in communion...
Lev 10:9 Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:
___
I said that Communion does not keep you saved..
That if a willful sinner ...takes communion he will drank to him self damnation
1Co_11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
____
Your husband also added a concept called Sola Scripture that Christ never taught.
~~~~~~~~
2.From that false teaching, he determined that Mary had other children (brothers and sisters?).
Mat_13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
Mar_6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
___
Gal 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.
Gal 1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.
Gal 1:20 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not.
~~~~~~~~~~
3.That Peter was never the head of the Apostles and did not have any successors.
JESUS NEVER ESTABLISHED A DYNASTY IN ROME ITALY..Jesus has no physical kingdom on the earth at present..
HIS KINGDOM IS SPIRITUAL ..ESTABLISHED IN THE HEARTS OF TRUE CHRISTIANS
Jesus words were
Joh_8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
Joh_18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
4.He determined that the Beast is the Roman Catholic Church.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE I HAVEN'T BROACHED THIS SUBJECT...
BUT..
I would be more apt to say that the Roman Catholic Church is the false prophet.
~~~~~~~~
5. He teaches that Catholics worship statues and Mary.
This is an axiom, to all who observe your idolatry ...Your mausoleums
are full of icons, images, statues and idols.
instead of denying the obvious ..just stop it...
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
- am I understandings you correctly, that you agree that the Bread is Jesus Christ? The very real presence of Our Lord Himself?

- Graven images. You teach that Catholics violate Gods commandment. You teach that we construct graven images and worship them, no matter how many of us guarantee you that we don't.

Did you see the temple they just uncovered in Iraq? It was constructed around the time of Abraham. Its about the size of a football field. Among the many artifacts revealed were, you guessed it, graven images. One was a Priest in a robe praying. Who was this man they depicted? A Saint like Abraham perhaps?
Your amateur view of the Book of Exodus is strange and new. You use it as a weapon to discredit the Church that Jesus Christ started..you manipulate the ten commandments for your own personal vendetta - while deliberately violating one of those commandments. Thou shall not bear false witness.
truth

Perth, Australia

#431277 Apr 5, 2013
Religion - A Delusion

Titusville, FL

#431278 Apr 5, 2013
Why not settle religious debates by war?

Otherwise, there is no way that a diplomatic, reasoned debate will agree on their delusions.

More religious societies are "blessed" by relatively higher poverty, crime rates, and totalitarianism.

Less religious democratic societies are "punished" with greater freedoms, greater wealth, and fewer wars.

Religion is a delusion - an ideal maybe, but otherwise nobody knows what any god spirit wants.

Not even you.
truth

Perth, Australia

#431279 Apr 5, 2013

Since: Nov 08

usa

#431280 Apr 5, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
Normand Guay wrote:
--- Jethro; THE TRUE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST started in Jerusalem not in Rome...
jethro8:
care to explain?
**********
Easy: Jesus started the church in Jerusalem. The church was empowered in the Upper Room IN JERUSALEM.
Jesus told the Apostles not to leave Jerusalem on their missionary journeys UNTIL they were empowered by the Holy Ghost IN JERUSALEM.
God says His eye is always on Jerusalem.
Who changed the focus to Rome?
KayMarie
"Who changed the focus to Rome?" that came about because of a vision emperor Constantine supposedly had,he looked up at the sun and saw a cross,i've done that myself,looked up at the sun you squint your eyes and you see odd shapes,well any way he took it as a sign to change pagan Rome to Christianity,that was going to be a big challenge since everyone in Rome was mostly all pagan,so he brought together 100 scholared men and more or less told them to come up with a religion that both pagans and Christians can live with,so they took the stolen scriptures/books went through them added an subtracted books that suited their purpose/agenda,using all the stolen artifacts from middle eastern countries the roman empire conquered they set about building an elaborate church,and your final product of all this is the false unholy pagan/christian church also known as the roman catholic church or just the catholic church.to get followers they used fear tactics,then torture and if you still refused to follow their man made beliefs,you were killed,tossed into the arena so the people of Rome can watch you being ripped apart by lions and tigers.once the church was established,you'd think they would of talked to the emperor and asked him to stop using Christians as fodder in the arenas,but they did nothing,they kept quiet and just focused on gaining power and money,made up false doctrines/traditions/beliefs which all changed as the times changed,the true church would not do that.gods words were spoken,they were final.no changing a word,yet the church did,not because god told them to,they did it for their own greedy purposes,changed the commandments so they could practice the pagan ritual of praying to idols and sell them to make money,also changed the Sabbath to Sunday to coincide with the pagan holiday of worshiping their god,the sun. lent, Easter,christmas are all pagan holiday dates used by the catholic church,just to keep peace among the two religions. the church,it's traditions,beliefs mean nothing to god or Jesus,they are only important to the pagan/christian church.they claim the church of Antioch is one of the first catholic churches,it's not by choice, Rome gave the early church fathers the church after it was captured by the empire,it was originally a christian church,and to this day it is being held captive by the R.P.C. church. everything within the walls of vatican city is stolen property and should be returned to it's rightful owners.
Clay

United States

#431281 Apr 5, 2013
Religion - A Delusion wrote:
<quoted text>
Delusional.
You say God did all these things for the world - but in reality - God did all this in virtual secrecy?
Why was his so-called coming such a secret, if indeed he wanted to "save" mankind?
We have no actual eyewitness accounts. It's even debatable if a man named Jesus really lived, yet alone was a 3 in 1 god.
It took hundreds of years and lots of infighting before Jesus' nature was even agreed upon -- and only then thanks to a decree by a Roman Emperor.
There are no records anywhere outside the contrived Bible of things such as Herod having children killed. Something such as that surely would have been recorded by the Jews and everyone else in the region -- but the only account we have is a Biblical fable.
Absurd.
Delusional.
Your god plays too many games for such a serious matter. Even today, few can agree on what it all is supposed to mean. This board is a prime example.
Wars have been fought, because a supposed god of peace is so unclear.
Maybe that's the god of humor instead?
- First of all, I don't think you're secure in your atheism. A content atheist wouldn't feel the need to get on a a forum and trash people who believe in God, unless they felt uneasy about their own belief (or lack of belief)

- second, I feel for anyone who has to hear the Gospel from a fundie. These people require their listeners to forgo reason and logic first, then embrace their own ideas of Jesus Christ, based on what they see in scripture.
The Catholic Church takes reason and logic as gifts from God, and its a sin to ignore scientific facts, like evolution or the 'age of the Earth.' Science and religion must be compatible. It has to be, because science itself is a gift from God. I'm sayin our ability to form hypothesis and experiments to learn. It gets us closer to the wonder of God and miracle of life.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#431283 Apr 5, 2013
Religion - A Delusion wrote:
<quoted text>
Women (witches).
Gays.
People of other nations.
Typical. Who else does your god tell you to hate?
We are to hate no one.
We all are sinners, Jesus died for all sins.
Religion - A Delusion

Titusville, FL

#431284 Apr 5, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
- First of all, I don't think you're secure in your atheism. A content atheist wouldn't feel the need to get on a a forum and trash people who believe in God, unless they felt uneasy about their own belief (or lack of belief)
- second, I feel for anyone who has to hear the Gospel from a fundie. These people require their listeners to forgo reason and logic first, then embrace their own ideas of Jesus Christ, based on what they see in scripture.
The Catholic Church takes reason and logic as gifts from God, and its a sin to ignore scientific facts, like evolution or the 'age of the Earth.' Science and religion must be compatible. It has to be, because science itself is a gift from God. I'm sayin our ability to form hypothesis and experiments to learn. It gets us closer to the wonder of God and miracle of life.
First -- this is a message board. Attacking the messenger is all you have? I am not an atheist. I am an agnostic. Leave your delusion for a moment and learn something.

Definition of agnostic -- "a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly: one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god."

Show me some evidence beyond pure mysticism and I'm open.

Second -- yes, thankfully the Catholic Church learned from Galileo. It now backs a great deal of scientific research. It's position on the realities of global warming have been refreshing.

In your defense, OK, Fundies are more delusional. But so what? None of that addresses anything in my post.

Where else can we find evidence of Herod's killing of the babies throughout the land? Nowhere. Not one shred of evidence, beyond a fable. It's delusional.
Patriot

Boulder, CO

#431287 Apr 5, 2013
LAWMAKERS TO NATIONALIZE A BILL THAT WOULD CLASSIFY PEDOPHILIA AS A “SEXUAL PREFERENCE”

http://www.federaljack.com/pedophilia-is-a-se...

CONTACT YOUR REPS AND DEMAND THEY STOP THIS INSANITY AND PROTECT OUR CHILDREN!!

http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml

I tell you this "Bill" is a witness that The Revelation of Jesus Christ ch. 18 is True regarding Babylon:

"She has become a dwelling for demons

and a haunt for every impure spirit,

a haunt for every unclean bird,

a haunt for every unclean and detestable animal."

http://niv.scripturetext.com/revelation/18.ht...
Religion - A Delusion

Titusville, FL

#431288 Apr 5, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
We are to hate no one.
We all are sinners, Jesus died for all sins.
That's nice.

But I'm not sure why the creator of the universe didn't give the majority of its creation equal access to this amazing story.

Please explain why billions of Chinese were left out of the story for so many centuries?

Why does your Western Roman Empire god discriminate against Chinese people?
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#431289 Apr 5, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible does not teach the earth to be 6000 years old....
Ge 1:1 ¶ In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
When (what date) was the beginning??
Where was God before he created Heaven? If God had no beginning what was the purpose of the three persons of God, for all time before?

The bible gives the genealogy from Adam to Jesus.

Six Thousand Years:
The Bible says the world is about six thousand years old. How do we arrive at that number?

The Bible provides a complete genealogy from Adam to Jesus. You can go through the genealogies and add up the years. You'll get a total that is just over 4,000 years. Add the 2,000 years since the time of Jesus and you get just over 6,000 years since God created everything.

There is nothing in the bible that indicates the world to be older than 10,000 years.

We know today that the universe as we know it is several billions of years old. Its obvious simpleton bible people didn't have a clue of what they wrote.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#431290 Apr 5, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
The ONLY reason that you "fundies" want to discuss, debate or deliberate ANYTHING that has to do with TRUE BIBLE INTERPRETATION
or TRUE APOSTOLIC CHURCH HISTORY is because you have "absolutely" no sources of biblical or historical truth to back up ANYTHING you say.(only 450+ years of more and more Protestant) bible only confusion and chaos) since the Protestant Reformation). You "fundies" in "desperation", attempt to come up with something----ANYTHING----- "concoted, and made-up", to go along with your editorialized (self interpreted) bible interpretation (or better yet mis-interpretation), by "making-it-up" as you go, legendary Church History.......... The TRUTH, has, is and will always be recorded, authenticated, verified and PROVEN TO BE TRUE by Apologist Historian authors and writers,(both Catholic and Protestant) that Jesus Christ (over 2000 years ago) formed and initiated ONE (and only one) TRUE (UNIVERSAL-CATHOLIC) Church in Matthew 16:13-21 and appointed St Peter (along with 2000 years of Apostolic Succession, to lead HIS CHURCH, until HE (Our Lord) returns the second time.
~~~

YOUR REMARKS .... JUST like glue ...what you ALLEGE ...applies to you

YOUR ONE TRULY TRUE APOSTATE CHURCH HISTORY

is because you have "absolutely" no sources of biblical or historical

truth to back up ANYTHING you say AND THIS HAS BEEN SO SINCE IT'S

INCEPTION...

THE TRANSLATIONS OF THE BIBLE ...BELOW

SAY NOTHING ABOUT A ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH...

NEITHER DO THE SAY ANY THING

ABOUT A DYNASTY...IN ROME

A POPE...

PAPAL SUCCESSION

OR

AN EXCLUSIVE RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION ....THAT IS AUTHORIZED (BY JESUS)

TO CONTROL....

THE GRACE AND LOVE OF GOD...

As for you ..YOU HAVE NO GRACE AND YOU HAVE NO LOVE...

~~~~~~~~~

GENEVA BIBLE ...TRANSLATION DATED 1599

Mat 16:17 And Iesus answered, and saide to him, Blessed art thou, Simon, the sonne of Ionas: for flesh and blood hath not reueiled it vnto thee, but my Father which is in heauen.

Mat 16:18 And I say also vnto thee, that thou art Peter, and vpon this rocke I will builde my Church: and ye gates of hel shal not ouercome it.

Mat 16:19 And I will giue vnto thee the keyes of the kingdome of heauen, and whatsoeuer thou shalt binde vpon earth, shalbe bound in heauen: and whatsoeuer thou shalt loose on earth, shall be loosed in heauen.

_______

KING JAMES...TRANSLATION-DATED 1611

Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven...

Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

DOUAY VERSION OF BIBLE..DATED ?

Mat 16:17 And Jesus answering said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven.

Mat 16:18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Mat 16:19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

EVIDENT... QUOTE FROM THE ROMAN CATHOLIC BIBLE/CATECHISM...

Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican
The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

DATED (Jul 10, 2007)
Pad

Rockford, IL

#431291 Apr 5, 2013
Religion - A Delusion wrote:
<quoted text>
Delusional.
You say God did all these things for the world - but in reality - God did all this in virtual secrecy?
Why was his so-called coming such a secret, if indeed he wanted to "save" mankind?
We have no actual eyewitness accounts. It's even debatable if a man named Jesus really lived, yet alone was a 3 in 1 god.
It took hundreds of years and lots of infighting before Jesus' nature was even agreed upon -- and only then thanks to a decree by a Roman Emperor.
There are no records anywhere outside the contrived Bible of things such as Herod having children killed. Something such as that surely would have been recorded by the Jews and everyone else in the region -- but the only account we have is a Biblical fable.
Absurd.
Delusional.
Your god plays too many games for such a serious matter. Even today, few can agree on what it all is supposed to mean. This board is a prime example.
Wars have been fought, because a supposed god of peace is so unclear.
Maybe that's the god of humor instead?
God does have a sense of humor,we see signs of that in the whole planet,and in everyday life,what else is NEW?

There is nothing delusional about men and women willing to face hungry lions for supposedly a ficticious man. The first three centuries believers in YESHUA faced the most vicious attacks that could possibly be made by inhumane persecutors.Emperors(despots) given every advantage to wipe out the early Christians did not succeed.No matter where Christianity was spread to,opposition was ferocious from those who wanted it destroyed.That is why one of the most famous quotes was made concerning early Christianity"The Blood of the Martyrs is the SEED of the Church."

Today we have major organizations like AMNESTY International keeping track of violations against human beings for basic freedoms. One major agent for that organization a JEW,who wrote a book said,"In this century more Christians died for their faith than died in the first three centuries of the Christian movement."

Actually that would be true for the last two centuries.The Communist Manifesto inspired followers to take over major nations and to perform as it were intensive surgery to remove all elements of the cancerous infestation of RELIGION, the "Opiate of the People"!

Communists have succeeded in wiping out literally millions of Christians in the following countries:Soviet Union(the Russias),Poland,Czechoslovakia ,Bulgaria,Romania,Moldavia,Eas t Germany,Lithuania,Estonia,Latv ia and Yugoslavia.In the East:CHINA,North Korea,Manchuria,Mongolia,Viet Nam,Laos and Cambodia.In our hemisphere:CUBA,also Communist insurgency in Central and South America.

Also Communist regimes in North and Central Africa especially Ethiopia which is free now.Ethiopian Communists went on a rampage of killing Christians that even shocked the Muslim neighbors,now they are following suit.

Muslim nations bent on total supremacy target Christians in their countries with a vengeance.

Martyrs for Christ are given plenty of time to find out whether their faith is delusional or not,as many are tortured first,and endure terrible conditions in prisons and labor camps,TELL them that their faith is delusional.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#431294 Apr 5, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you sure your name isn't tornado ,,,You attempt to twist every thing that is posted to you ...
Is it not a wonder that your fort is the book of Thomas's..twisted works?
I don't twist anything. I've shown you that, just because you can believe something to be one way, it doesn't mean that it can be viewed as another. Thus, the belief you choose to place your 'faith' in - which is Self - is not the "ONLY path" as you and the RCC claim.

Self chooses the path of salvation.

Self chooses to accept all of what Jesus taught, in order to achieve this salvation.

Your team and teh RCC team FAIL to see and abide by these to important factors. Through honest, one can achieve the goal.

Through your belief, you only get to a certain point, and can't move anymore, because you think it requires one to utilize another aspect I don't agree with - the use of the Bible.

Usig men and the Bible to achieve salvation is foolishness, when neither will be present at that day, if we are judged.

Self.

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