Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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socci

Cameron, MO

#430654 Mar 31, 2013
I found the Sabbath thru Garner Ted and his TV program. After more study today I see that was all he was right about. But still thankful. Here a little there a little. Not much truth on tv. He was the only one at the time preaching the 10C and true Sabbath.

The SDA are on their own sat systems. Walter Veith has one here: http://amazingdiscoveries.tv
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#430655 Mar 31, 2013
socci wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes it does several times in fact.
There is no prep day for the passover. The Sabbath is always the weekly sabbath. Passover is passover-which was on a Friday, the day Jesus was crucified.
www.wednesdaycrucifixion.com
I agree with everything he has done in that study except to call the CoG a cult. They use the Bible and may be in error. That does not make them a cult.
In that url they were probably referring ot fact that AT DAWN when Mary arrived the tomb was already empty and had risen sometime early in the morning hours from sunset the night before.

I do not believe the SDA Church to be a cult that was not my intent of the article or url.
socci

Cameron, MO

#430656 Mar 31, 2013
As if keeping the scriptures out of the hands of the common man is somehow protecting them. No it's not. The same advocate burning books. Promoting illiteracy. WE study the Bible and some are in error. They are free to be in error as long as they are not violent. Rome has the history of violence.

That is how we learn what is written. Many wonderful Bible commentaries has been written full of Bible truth, not found at Rome.


Matthew Henry (1700)
www.blueletterbible.org/commentaries/comm_vie...


John Gill (c.1770)
www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-ex...


Adam Clarke (c.1830)
www.godrules.net/library/clarke/clarkerev13.h...


B.W. Johnson (c.1890)
www.ewordtoday.com/comments/revelation/johnso...


Albert Barnes (c.1860)
www.studylight.org/com/bnn/view.cgi...


Jamieson, Fausset and Brown (c.1871)
www.studylight.org/com/jfb/view.cgi...


Geneva Bible notes (c.1599)
www.studylight.org/com/gsb/view.cgi...
socci

Cameron, MO

#430657 Mar 31, 2013
Marylou

Charlotte, NC

#430658 Mar 31, 2013
socci wrote:
<quoted text>
We are to judge what is sin. This is why God gave us the written word. We judge the Muslims for not following Jesus and the Mormon for following a different book and likewise the Catholic for following the harlot as written and given by Jesus.
Just being a good person will earn nothing as we cannot 'work' our way to heaven rather only by faith in Jesus alone, with no pope.
Im not the first to point this out. Millions have fled the roman harlot since the Bible was published. Today, it takes a special closed minded individual with spiritual blinders on to remain in the clutches of Rome (Satan). I could see it if this were Mexico or Spain or Poland where 90% are Catholic and persecution follows for any convert, like Islam, but here in the USA there is no excuse. This land was from God given freedom! and it is Rome destroying it. The end comes soon due to this very thing. As Rome closes in on God's people with nowhere else to go the end will come.
. When Jesus told the Pharisees "Let he without sin cast the first stone" you probably would have been the first in line with the biggest stone you could find. Only God judges, Not hypocrites and bigots like you. Catholics believe we are saved through the Grace of God. You must have learned what you know about Catholics at your local KKK meeting hall.
marge

Ames, IA

#430659 Mar 31, 2013
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#430660 Mar 31, 2013
socci wrote:
I found the Sabbath thru Garner Ted and his TV program. After more study today I see that was all he was right about. But still thankful. Here a little there a little. Not much truth on tv. He was the only one at the time preaching the 10C and true Sabbath.
The SDA are on their own sat systems. Walter Veith has one here: http://amazingdiscoveries.tv
Interesting presentation and he did state people got theh Wdnesday crucifixion from 3 days and 3 night as Jonah in the whale (my Bible says fish. But if we take the scripture concerning the time determined upon Daniels people and study those scriptures out ion the day for a year, and the sacrifice to cease in the middle of the week. Also 70 year time frame from Christ birth leading up to the start of his ministry and the crucifixon and the stoning of Steven tht 7 years period ending at 35 years and 35 more to the destruction of Jerusalem.

This could be a tri-fold prophesy. However I do not base mine or anyones salvation on the exact dates. I am just grateful Christ died for my sins that we might be saved through him.
marge

Ames, IA

#430661 Mar 31, 2013
Marylou wrote:
<quoted text>. When Jesus told the Pharisees "Let he without sin cast the first stone" you probably would have been the first in line with the biggest stone you could find. Only God judges, Not hypocrites and bigots like you. Catholics believe we are saved through the Grace of God. You must have learned what you know about Catholics at your local KKK meeting hall.
hey i have a question for catholics on the story i posted, my question is for all.

Do we know if being 'gay' is a sin? Not doing the act but just being that way in the heart.

Is being gay in its self, what needs to be repented of?

Wondering what you all teach, we teach the later. Thank you, blessings, yes we are all sinners.
marge

Ames, IA

#430662 Mar 31, 2013
Romans 1:27-28

"That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other.

And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved."
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#430663 Mar 31, 2013
Some differences between when groups observe passover are:
1.Disputes over reckoning of the 24-hour day, for example, the modern western 24-hour day begins at midnight(12:00 A.M.), whereas the biblical 24-hour day is generally reckoned to begin at sunset.[10]
2.Disputes over which day Jesus was crucified on: according to John 19:14 and the Gospel of Peter, it was the "day of preparation for the Passover", Nisan 14, also called the Quartodeciman.(John nowhere identifies the Last Supper as a Passover meal, and John 18:28 has the priests preparing to eat the Passover meal in the morning after the Last Supper.) According to many other interpretations of the Synoptic Gospels, it was the day of Passover, Nisan 15.[11]
3.Some Christians observe the celebration on the day before Passover, at the same time that Jesus held his Last Supper, while others observe it at the same time that the Passover was sacrificed, that is, the time of Jesus' death, which occurred "at the ninth hour" of the day (Matthew 27:46-50, Mark 15:34-37, Luke 23:44-46), or approximately 3:30 p.m, according to the Synoptic Gospels.(see evening and Time for technical reference on time).
4.Still others celebrate it after sunset, at which time it would be the 15th of Nisan, the time in which the Israelites ate the Passover meal (for example see Exodus 12:8).
5.Some Christians, out of deference for traditional Gentile Easter dates, choose to celebrate Passover, or hold Seders, on the Thursday before Easter, known as Maundy Thursday, or the Last Supper observance. These dates vary among Hebrew, Gregorian, and Julian calendars, and they vary between Western (e.g. Roman Catholic) and Eastern Orthodox (e.g. Greek Orthodox) traditions.(There is also a school of thought that the Last Supper may have been on the Tuesday night, with most passion week "sabbath" references in the Gospels referring to a Thursday holy day of rest (Leviticus 23:6-7) instead of to the traditional Saturday main sabbath. Contrast Mark 16:1 after the weekday day of rest with Luke 23:56-24:1 before the weekend sabbath.)

It was a question of defilement that gave rise to the words:“They themselves did not enter into the governor’s palace, that they might not get defiled but might eat the passover.”(Joh 18:28) These Jews considered it a defilement to enter into a Gentile dwelling.(Ac 10:28) This statement was made, however,“early in the day,” hence after the Passover meal had taken place. It is to be noted that at this time the entire period, including Passover day and the Festival of Unfermented Cakes that followed, was at times referred to as “Passover.” In the light of this fact, Alfred Edersheim offers the following explanation: A voluntary peace offering was made on Passover and another, a compulsory one, on the next day, Nisan 15, the first day of the Festival of Unfermented Cakes. It was this second offering that the Jews were afraid they might not be able to eat if they contracted defilement in the judgment hall of Pilate.—The Temple, 1874, pp. 186, 187

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passover_ (Christian_holiday)
marge

Ames, IA

#430664 Mar 31, 2013
Matt 5:27-28

"You have heard the commandment that says,‘You must not commit adultery.’ But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
marge

Ames, IA

#430665 Mar 31, 2013
As the Scriptures say, "A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one."

This is a great mystery, but it is an illustration of the way Christ and the church are one.

“OneLordOneFaith Eph4:5”

Since: Apr 08

Saint John Paul II Pray 4 Us.

#430666 Mar 31, 2013
"Happy Easter! Happy Easter! What a joy it is for me to announce this message:
Christ is risen!"...

ST PETER'S SQUARE
31 MARCH 2013

Dear brothers and sisters in Rome and throughout the world, Happy Easter! Happy Easter!

What a joy it is for me to announce this message: Christ is risen! I would like it to go out to every house and every family, especially where the suffering is greatest, in hospitals, in prisons…

Most of all, I would like it to enter every heart, for it is there that God wants to sow this Good News: Jesus is risen, there is hope for you, you are no longer in the power of sin, of evil! Love has triumphed, mercy has been victorious! The mercy of God always triumphs!

We too, like the women who were Jesus’ disciples, who went to the tomb and found it empty, may wonder what this event means (cf. Lk 24:4). What does it mean that Jesus is risen? It means that the love of God is stronger than evil and death itself; it means that the love of God can transform our lives and let those desert places in our hearts bloom. The love God can do this!

This same love for which the Son of God became man and followed the way of humility and self-giving to the very end, down to hell - to the abyss of separation from God - this same merciful love has flooded with light the dead body of Jesus, has transfigured it, has made it pass into eternal life. Jesus did not return to his former life, to earthly life, but entered into the glorious life of God and he entered there with our humanity, opening us to a future of hope.

Continue here………
http://whispersintheloggia.blogspot.com/2013/...
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#430667 Mar 31, 2013
According to The Good News magazine:

"Several computer software programs exist that enable us to calculate when the Passover and God's other festivals fall in any given year. Those programs show that in A.D. 31, the year of these events, the Passover meal was eaten on Tuesday night and Wednesday sundown marked the beginning of the 'high day,' the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread."

This agrees well with the many theologians' estimate that Jesus was executed sometime between the years 29 and 32 CE.

It is a neat theory, but has little chance of being accepted because of almost two millennia of church tradition supports a Good Friday execution and Easter Sunday resurrection. Also if Jesus actually was resurrected on Saturday afternoon, then the church's justification for moving the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday would collapse, and the 35,000 or so Christian faith groups whose prime day for religious services is Sunday would have to admit that their movement of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday was not justified.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/easter6.htm

Many people do not realize that the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) discusses two different kinds of Sabbaths:

One type occurs on a weekly basis, from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.


The other type -- called "high days" consist of the seven annual Sabbath days listed in Leviticus 23. These could occur on any day of the week.

Unless the plural form of Sabbath in Matthew 28:1 was an error by the author of Matthew, or an error subsequently made by a copyist, then the week in which Jesus was executed must have contained two Sabbaths, not one.

The presence of the second Sabbath -- a High Sabbath -- is confirmed in John 19:31:

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#430668 Mar 31, 2013
627
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
If anyone on here is in dire need of the Holy Eucharist, its you.
However..
To you the Eucharist will never be anything, because you can't have it!
To Jesus Christ, His Apostles and all Christians until the 17th century, it is exactly what Christ said it was. Its the ultimate gift of grace. You have no life in you Ox, because you don't have the Eucharist. Christ said so and its evident in how ridiculous your brand of Christianity is. Its evident in how you play games with our Sacred Scripture. You ain't a Christian, man, so leave our Bible alone.
When you eat the flesh of Jesus in the morning, then use the bathroom that nite for a BM....you flush Him down the toilet!!!! That does not sound like a Christian's actions....

“OneLordOneFaith Eph4:5”

Since: Apr 08

Saint John Paul II Pray 4 Us.

#430669 Mar 31, 2013
Peter and the Papacy

There is ample evidence in the New Testament that

Peter was first in authority among the apostles.

Whenever they were named,

Peter headed the list (Matt. 10:1-4, Mark

3:16-19, Luke 6:14-16, Acts 1:13); sometimes the

apostles were referred to as "Peter and those who

were with him" (Luke 9:32).

Peter was the one who generally spoke for the

apostles (Matt. 18:21, Mark 8:29, Luke 12:41, John

6:68-69), and he figured in many of the most

dramatic scenes (Matt. 14:28-32, Matt. 17:24-27,

Mark 10:23-28).

On Pentecost it was

Peter who first preached to the crowds (Acts

2:14-40), and he worked the first healing in the

Church age (Acts 3:6-7).

It is Peter’s faith that will strengthen his

brethren (Luke 22:32) and

Peter is given Christ’s flock to shepherd (John

21:17). An angel was sent to announce the

resurrection to Peter (Mark 16:7), and the risen

Christ first appeared to Peter (Luke 24:34). He

headed the meeting that elected Matthias to

replace Judas (Acts 1:13-26), and he received the

first converts (Acts 2:41). He inflicted the first

punishment (Acts 5:1-11), and excommunicated the

first heretic (Acts 8:18-23). He led the first

council in Jerusalem (Acts 15), and announced the

first dogmatic decision (Acts 15:7-11).

It was to Peter

that the revelation came that Gentiles were to be

baptized and accepted as Christians (Acts 10:46-48).
http://www.catholic.com//library/Peter_and_th...

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#430670 Mar 31, 2013
632
darrel wrote:
<quoted text>
You should read the early Christian writers and see if they would agree with you and reread john 6. It is clear what the Early Church Fathers believed and were sent to the Lions for their beliefs. In fact read everything before the year 313 ad and see for yourself. If you value truth you will do as I sujest .
What does that have to do with you eating a chunk of Christ's flesh in the morning and then flush Him down the toilet that same day when you have a BM?????!!!!!
Pad

Rockford, IL

#430671 Mar 31, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
God is the "final judge" (not me, not Confrinting, not 4GVN or ANY bible only "fundie" as to whether you will be saved or not! I will continue to rely on Jesus Christ and the FULLNESS OF THE FAITH, THE FULLNESS OF THE TRUTH and the OVERABUNDING COMPLETENESS of GODS GRACE---in and through OUR LORDS One True Apostolic Catholic Church. Growing the the Faith and Salvation of Christ, is the "best assurance" that Jesus gives to those who "believe and follow Him" as Paul tells us in Phil 2:12 to "work out our Salvation with fear and trembling". This means that salvation is a "free gift" but we need to "participate with Gods Grace"in receiving this gift by (again) "working it out with fear and trembling".
I basically agree with you,because you have centered the way of salvation in Christ.It is so apparent these days that if there be a turning away,and a falling from the truth,it is because Christians will not"work out their salvation with fear and trembling."We are compeled to contend for the faith,not just to stand up for it,but to allow it to consume our lives,not an easy task by any means.But the radical view of abandoning oneself for the Lord is appropriate to us all who claim to know Christ.
The Apostles would never have died holy martyrs if they forsook Christ for a better life.
All the Apostles save Judas were killed for the gospel sake,except John who died on Patnos,or nearby.But he did suffer terrible persecution and was left for dead,but lived.
The Lord may call us to suffer such as well who knows? But our salvation does not depend on our actions,but in Christ who paid the greatest sacrifice.
When we trust in His deliverance and salvation we are living a life of faith in Him.So really all believers are challenged with that LIFE,only Christ can give,through His resurrection.
The Church is a corporate body of believers that trust in Christ alone for salvation,and believe His Word,live it and follow it.
I heard today on TV a huge gathering of Evangelicals who sang accappella"What can wash away our sins?"
The refraim is "Oh precious is the flow that washes me WHITE as snow.
No other fount I know,nothing but the Blood of Jesus."That says it all!

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#430672 Mar 31, 2013
634
socci wrote:
<quoted text>
The Christians thrown to the lions by Rome were not Catholics rather Nazarenes. There was no eucharist among them.
You have confirmed what I have been saying...there were no Catholics until 312 when the emperor found your cult..

Damnatio ad bestias (Latin for "condemnation to beasts") was a form of capital punishment in which the condemned were maimed on the circus arena or thrown to a cage with animals, usually lions. It was brought to ancient Rome around the 2nd century BC from Asia, where a similar penalty existed from at least the 6th century BC. In Rome, damnatio ad bestias was used as entertainment and was part of the inaugural games of the Flavian Amphitheatre. In the 1st–3rd centuries AD, this penalty was mainly applied to the worst criminals and early Christians

Look!!!! "this penalty was mainly applied to the worst criminals and early Christians"

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#430673 Mar 31, 2013
636 612
darrel wrote:
<quoted text>
Read everything before 312 ad and you will find much of Catholic teaching as well as the Catholic Church . The Early Church Fathers who were sent to their deaths for their beliefs, are our witnesses. They were closer to the time of the Apostles and some would have been ordained by them . Some of these monks ,priests and Bishops were copying the differient books of the bible by hand for you , they were the ones who decided (after 381) the Cannon of the Bible and they were interpreting it way before your church came into exsistance. Read what they have to say if you value truth.
It is easy to make such a statement but you need to back it up. We Catholics rely on documents of people who were willing to die for what they believed. Written historical facts are a wonderful thing.
FYI
The Roman Catholic Church contends that its origin is the death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ in approximately A.D. 30. The Catholic Church proclaims itself to be the church that Jesus Christ died for, the church that was established and built by the apostles.

Is that the true origin of the Catholic Church? On the contrary. Even a cursory reading of the New Testament will reveal that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus or His apostles. In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture. So, if the origin of the Catholic Church is not in the teachings of Jesus and His apostles, as recorded in the New Testament, what is the true origin of the Catholic Church?

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