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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 637790 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Clay

Garden City, MI

#430590 Mar 31, 2013
Wow the new special issue "Time Magazine" with Pope Francis on the cover is one of the most pathetic piece of crap I ever read.
One or two pages are about Pope Francis. The next hundred are about turmoil in the Church. A couple pages on an ex Priest who fell in love with some divorced chick and now is an Episcopal priest and marries gay couples. Another is on a nun who wants to be a Priest. A few pages are on 4 or 5 bad Popes. The last articles are on American Catholic statistics on contraception and Priestly celibacy. lol. You'd think Michael wrote the issue! They both think Catholic teachings are determined by popular cultural opinions!!

In other words: "Time Magazine" fears Pope Francis and the Catholic Church - the pillar and bulwark of truth. If they can trash this Church and make them go away, they can feel more at ease about their life choices.

Bulwark definition: A wall raised as a defensive fortification; Protection against external danger.

"The gates of Hell shall not prevail against it"
~Jesus Christ
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#430591 Mar 31, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>May I ask you a question please?? Are you Catholic? You appear to have a grasp on the scriptures that most posters and members of the RCC simply does not possess and I was puzzled by your moniker.
No I Am Not Catholic. I was raised in the Baptist, Assembly of God, Pentecost and when I was very young Church of Christ with family members, then to the Baptist til Dad and Mom got back into Church when I was about 10.

I was Baptised in the Baptist Church.
I believe there is some truth mixed with false doctrine in most all of them as per scropture Harlot and her Daughters (protestants church's keeping the traditions of the RCC)

I have attended various other church's as an adult closest to a Catholic was the episcopal church.

I read and study with family and friends attend church on occasions when I feel well enough to.

The Avatar just represents a Universal weekly cycle woth the 7th referring to the Sabbath.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#430592 Mar 31, 2013
socci wrote:
Jesus crucified on Friday the prep day resurrected Sunday morn following the double-Sabbath!
www.wednesdaycrucifixion.com
Dispelling myths!
Three days according to Hebrew reckoning!
day one - Friday
day two - Sabbath
day three - Sunday
Daniel 9 is a dual prophecy concerning the 70 weeks determined upon Daniels people.

9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#430593 Mar 31, 2013
THERE IS NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN.
JUST LIKE IT WAS 2000 YEARS AGO,WHEN JESUS WALKED THE EARTH RELIGIOUS DENOMINATIONS PERSECUTING ANOTHER CLAIMING TO BE THE REAL CHURCH OF CHRIST.
KILLING EACH OTHER TO SHOW GODS LOVE.

GOD PLEASE FORGIVE US FOR MAKING IT ALL ABOUT US.
WHEN ITS ALL ABOUT YOUR SON JESUS THE CHRIST.

ITS ALL ABOUT YOU JESUS; I AM SORRY FOR THE THINGS I HAVE MADE IT WHEN ITS ALL ABOUT YOU JESUS.
Happy Easter .
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#430595 Mar 31, 2013
hermeneutics Smeutics wrote:
<quoted text>SERA SWEETHEART: THIS ONE IS FOR YOU ONLY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =_iW_urQ3GM4XX
Herme, that is so sweet I would say Sere is a very blessed woman.
God Bless you both Happy Easter.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#430596 Mar 31, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible "also" has something to say about "heretical preachers" like you, who call "good"---"evil "!!!
Why do Roman Catholics always use 2 Timothy 2:2; 3:14 as Bible proof that extra-biblical oral tradition is to be followed through apostolic succession, when tradition says Timothy became the bishop of Ephesians, which through succession, is now part of the Greek Orthodox church headed out of Constantinople? If 2 Timothy 2:2 proves succession, doesn't this prove the Roman Catholic church is not part of that succession?
Clay

Garden City, MI

#430597 Mar 31, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>Why do Roman Catholics always use 2 Timothy 2:2; 3:14 as Bible proof that extra-biblical oral tradition is to be followed through apostolic succession, when tradition says Timothy became the bishop of Ephesians, which through succession, is now part of the Greek Orthodox church headed out of Constantinople? If 2 Timothy 2:2 proves succession, doesn't this prove the Roman Catholic church is not part of that succession?
The proof of Apostolic succession is not based soley on any individual Bible verse.
The proof is in how the Bible came to be....by Apostolic succession.
The Bible was the result of hundreds of yrs of Catholic sacred tradition. Among the sacred traditions was the Holy Mass, where scripture readings were said prior to the partaking of the Holy Eucharist. Many of these readings made it into the New Testament canon in the 4th century. Some - like the Epistles of Clement - did not.

You see, Apostolic succession. Church hierarchy. Teaching Magistrium of the Catholic Church. Popes, Bishops and sacred traditions were all in place and eventually bore fruit to the NT. This authority added 27 books to the OT Scriptures.
Christ nor the Apostles ever commanded them to do it.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#430598 Mar 31, 2013
Daniel 9

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto [the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks,] and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he (Jesus) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

God/Christ is the one who we made a covenant with. The sacrifice ceased at his crucifixion in the middle of the week, also the year for a day prophecy according to the 70 weeks 470 days/years to the stoning of Steven 35 years on to the destruction of the temple another 35 years. Actually it could be a three fold prophecy.
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#430599 Mar 31, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The proof of Apostolic succession is not based soley on any individual Bible verse.
The proof is in how the Bible came to be....by Apostolic succession.
The Bible was the result of hundreds of yrs of Catholic sacred tradition. Among the sacred traditions was the Holy Mass, where scripture readings were said prior to the partaking of the Holy Eucharist. Many of these readings made it into the New Testament canon in the 4th century. Some - like the Epistles of Clement - did not.
You see, Apostolic succession. Church hierarchy. Teaching Magistrium of the Catholic Church. Popes, Bishops and sacred traditions were all in place and eventually bore fruit to the NT. This authority added 27 books to the OT Scriptures.
Christ nor the Apostles ever commanded them to do it.
1 Cor. 5:3-5; 16:22; 1 Tim. 1:20; Gal 1:8; Matt 18:17 – these verses show the authority of the elders to excommunicate / anathemize ("deliver to satan").

2 Cor. 2:17 - Paul says the elders are not just random peddlers of God's word. They are actually commissioned by God. It is not self-appointed authority.

2 Cor. 3:6 – Paul says that certain men have been qualified by God to be ministers of a New Covenant. This refers to the ministerial priesthood of Christ handed down the ages through sacramental ordination.

2 Cor. 5:20 - Paul says we are "ambassadors" for Christ. This means that the apostles and their successors share an actual participation in Christ's mission, which includes healing, forgiving sins, and confecting the sacraments.

2 Cor. 10:6 – in reference to the ordained, Paul says that they are ready to punish every disobedience. The Church has the authority excommunicate those who disobey her.

2 Cor. 10:8 - Paul acknowledges his authority over God's people which the Lord gave to build up the Church.

1 Thess. 5:12-13 - Paul charges the members of the Church to respect those who have authority over them.

2 Thess. 3:14 - Paul says if a person does not obey what he has provided in his letter, have nothing to do with him.

1 Tim. 5:17 - Paul charges the members of the Church to honor the appointed elders (“priests”) of the Church.

Titus 2:15 - Paul charges Timothy to exhort and reprove with all authority, which he received by the laying on of hands.

Heb. 12:9 – in the context of spiritual discipline, the author says we have had earthly fathers (referring to the ordained leaders) to discipline us and we respected them.

Heb. 13:7,17 - Paul charges the members of the Church to remember and obey their leaders who have authority over their souls.

"And thus preaching through countries and cities, they appointed the first-fruits [of their labours], having first proved them by the Spirit, to be bishops and deacons of those who should afterwards believe. Nor was this any new thing, since indeed many ages before it was written concerning bishops and deacons. For thus saith the Scripture a certain place,'I will appoint their bishops s in righteousness, and their deacons in faith.'... Our apostles also knew, through our Lord Jesus Christ, and there would be strife on account of the office of the episcopate. For this reason, therefore, inasmuch as they had obtained a perfect fore-knowledge of this, they appointed those [ministers] already mentioned, and afterwards gave instructions, that when these should fall asleep, other approved men should succeed them in their ministry...For our sin will not be small, if we eject from the episcopate those who have blamelessly and holily fulfilled its duties." Pope Clement, Epistle to Corinthians, 42, 44 (A.D. 98).

http://scripturecatholic.com/apostolic_succes...

hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#430600 Mar 31, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~`
You cannot Biblically call what I have posted evil with out
You cannot cite any history beyond that of the Roman Catholic
What is so terrible about the whole mess is your obsession to fables and conjecture and the gambling of your own soul against empty rhetoric.
The bible is NOT the source of evil but bible only preachers like YOU who distort, manipulate and falsely editorialize the true meaning of the bible, have proven to ALL of us Catholic that it is YOU that has emerged as the SOURCE OF EVIL!...Quite frankly, "I couldn't care less, as to what believe. I/We as Catholics (know) "without a doubt" that the Catholic Church is, has and will ALWAYS BE, Jesus Christs One True Apostolic Catholic Church, that has been proven, verified and authenticated, over and over and over again for over 2000 years.---As you continue to "make up" your own bible only (inconsistent and contradicting) History book of mtths and legends, and worshiping your (mis-interpreted bible verses, we as Catholics will "just continue" to WORSHIP follow, believe, and accept Jesus Christ, AS LORD AND SAVIOR (each day) at daily Mass, in which the FULLNESS OF THE TRUTH of the TRUE Gospel of Jesus Christ, and His Salvation, is proclaimed "EVERY DAY" at daily Mass, in Our Lords One (and only true) Apostolic Catholic Church. Go play your (merry-go-round) "bible verse (mis- quoting) game with the rest of your 42.000 other inconsistent bible only (buffoons). Your (heretical) false teachings don't interest ANY of us Catholics.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#430601 Mar 31, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
You poor pathetic misguided blind and deaf fool...
Yes---I "was" a pathetic, misguided blind and a deaf fool", until God, through His Son Jesus, and the leading of the Holy Spirit (finally) led me to the Historical and biblical TRUTH of TRUE Salvation and TRUE faith in Jesus Christ in and through His One (and ONLY) True Catholic Church, after 35 years of being "shackled in the bondage" of Protestant bible only hypocricy, bigotry, lies and deception.......... 42,000= Contradicting and conflicting (hodge-podge) of Protestant, confusion, condemnation and chaos!!!!!
YOU CAN HAVE IT!! IT IS "ALL" YOURS!!
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#430602 Mar 31, 2013
socci wrote:
<quoted text>
The history of Rome since day 01.
If others are wrong about this or that, that is their problem, and we can all debate this. But, to claim to be vicar of christ god on earth only true church while using false books is not debatable or christian at all.
There is NOTHING to discuss, NOTHING to debate, and NOTHING to deliberate over! Over 2000 years of historical and biblical PROVEN TRUTH by the writings, documents and manuscripts from the historical records from the Early Church Fathers, the Apologistic Historian authors (both Catholic and Protestant) and the biographical documented writings from the Lives of the Saints--CONFIRM IT AS TRUE over and over again, that Jesus Christ initiated, formed and authenticated HIS ONE (and only one) True Apostolic Catholic Church in Matthew 16:13-21.
END OF DISCUSSION!!!!

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#430603 Mar 31, 2013
580 575
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>And havoing quoted that verse with which I am in agreement with you in, 99.99 percent of Christians cannot """DISCERN """ the majority of the word of God. Even the things of scripture that are natural they cannot "discern". I asked them yesterday to demonstrate how to set the date for the Passover and not one was able to do. I bet you can't either. It doesn't require spiritual discernment to do because God has already showed us how but most of Christianity cannot follow those simple instructions.
And why is it that many laymen,unbelievers can better comprehend the scriptures better than most professed Christians can?
Passover
1.(Non-Christian Religions / Judaism) Also called Pesach Pesah Feast of the Unleavened Bread an eight-day Jewish festival beginning on Nisan 15 and celebrated in commemoration of the passing over or sparing of the Israelites in Egypt, when God smote the firstborn of the Egyptians (Exodus 12) Related adj Paschal

Christians do not follow non-Christian practices...Am not surprised that you do....

Since: Nov 08

usa

#430604 Mar 31, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The proof of Apostolic succession is not based solely on any individual Bible verse.
The proof is in how the Bible came to be....by Apostolic succession.
The Bible was the result of hundreds of yrs of Catholic sacred tradition. Among the sacred traditions was the Holy Mass, where scripture readings were said prior to the partaking of the Holy Eucharist. Many of these readings made it into the New Testament canon in the 4th century. Some - like the Epistles of Clement - did not.
You see, Apostolic succession. Church hierarchy. Teaching Magistrium of the Catholic Church. Popes, Bishops and sacred traditions were all in place and eventually bore fruit to the NT. This authority added 27 books to the OT Scriptures.
Christ nor the Apostles ever commanded them to do it.
so are you telling me the bible is wrong? it can't be,it's gods words,and there infallible.so 2 timothy points apostolic succession away from the catholic church,and the scriptures in the bible were written long before Constantine and his 100 men put the book together quote"The Bible was the result of hundreds of yrs of Catholic sacred tradition.unquote.hundreds of years?? doubtful few years maybe,they did change the bible a few times,kept adding and subtracting books till they got it to fit both pagan/christian beliefs.one bible verse should be good enough since the bible is gods word and his word is infallible,2 timothy says succession points more to the orthodox church,it can not be denied,unless the bible is fallible.the church claims peter as first pope, 20 reasons why Peter Not A Good Choice For The First Pope

Peter was just one of the 12 apostles (Mt.10:1-2; Mk. 3:13-19; Lk. 6:13-16).
Peter was just one of the three close friends of Jesus (Mt. 17:1; 26:36-37).
Peter denied the Lord Jesus three times (Mt. 26:69-75; Lk
Peter was a married man: 1 Cor. 9:5; Matthew 8:14
Peter was rebuked by the Lord (Mt. 16:23; Jn. 21:20-22).
Peter was rebuked by Paul (Gal. 2:11).
Peter never accepted reverence (Acts 10:25-26); (No man should, Rev. 19:10; 22:9).
Peter was not superior to the other apostles (Mt. 18:18; 2 Cor.11:5;12:11).
Peter and the other apostles, in consideration of their demise, wrote letters preserving their combined God-given revelations for all time (2 Pet. 1:12-15; 3:1-2; Eph. 3:3-5.).
Peter along with the other apostles were to "sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel" (Mt. 19:28).
Peter was not the head of the church - Jesus is the only head of His church (Eph. 1:22-23;Col.1:19)
Peter was not selected to be the Vicar of Christ on earth (no references in the Bible).
Peter never talked about any "successors" to him.
Peter and Paul never wore any of the many titles of the modern Popes (2 Pet. 3:15).
Peter and no other disciple(s) were to be "the greatest in the kingdom" (Mt. 18:1-4; 20:20-28); rather, they were to be equal.
Peter's name in the Greek is Petros (a detached stone, Jn. 1:42) but Jesus said the church would be built upon the "rock" or Petra (a mass of rock)- Mt. 16:18.
Matthew 16:18 Peter is masculine gender and rock in femine gender; in context they cannot refer to the same thing.
Peter and Paul declared that Jesus was "the chief cornerstone" (Acts 4:12; Eph. 2:20).
Peter and the other apostles were merely the layers of the foundation Stone - Jesus (Acts 4:11-12; Eph. 2:19-20).
Finally, Jesus Himself said that "all authority" was given to Him both "in heaven and on earth (Mt. 28:18-20).
Clay

Garden City, MI

#430605 Mar 31, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
1 Cor. 5:3-5; 16:22; 1 Tim. 1:20; Gal 1:8; Matt 18:17 – these verses show the authority of the elders to excommunicate / anathemize ("deliver to satan").
2 Cor. 2:17 - Paul says the elders are not just random peddlers of God's word. They are actually commissioned by God. It is not self-appointed authority.
2 Cor. 3:6 – Paul says that certain men have been qualified by God to be ministers of a New Covenant. This refers to the ministerial priesthood of Christ handed down the ages through sacramental ordination.
2 Cor. 5:20 - Paul says we are "ambassadors" for Christ. This means that the apostles and their successors share an actual participation in Christ's mission, which includes healing, forgiving sins, and confecting the sacraments.
2 Cor. 10:6 – in reference to the ordained, Paul says that they are ready to punish every disobedience. The Church has the authority excommunicate those who disobey her.
2 Cor. 10:8 - Paul acknowledges his authority over God's people which the Lord gave to build up the Church.
1 Thess. 5:12-13 - Paul charges the members of the Church to respect those who have authority over them.
2 Thess. 3:14 - Paul says if a person does not obey what he has provided in his letter, have nothing to do with him.
1 Tim. 5:17 - Paul charges the members of the Church to honor the appointed elders (“priests”) of the Church.
Titus 2:15 - Paul charges Timothy to exhort and reprove with all authority, which he received by the laying on of hands.
Heb. 12:9 – in the context of spiritual discipline, the author says we have had earthly fathers (referring to the ordained leaders) to discipline us and we respected them.
Heb. 13:7,17 - Paul charges the members of the Church to remember and obey their leaders who have authority over their souls.
"And thus preaching through countries and cities, they appointed the first-fruits [of their labours], having first proved them by the Spirit, to be bishops and deacons of those who should afterwards believe. Nor was this any new thing, since indeed many ages before it was written concerning bishops and deacons. For thus saith the Scripture a certain place,'I will appoint their bishops s in righteousness, and their deacons in faith.'... Our apostles also knew, through our Lord Jesus Christ, and there would be strife on account of the office of the episcopate. For this reason, therefore, inasmuch as they had obtained a perfect fore-knowledge of this, they appointed those [ministers] already mentioned, and afterwards gave instructions, that when these should fall asleep, other approved men should succeed them in their ministry...For our sin will not be small, if we eject from the episcopate those who have blamelessly and holily fulfilled its duties." Pope Clement, Epistle to Corinthians, 42, 44 (A.D. 98).
http://scripturecatholic.com/apostolic_succes...
No doubt Apostolic succession is in the Bible. But the evidence isn't soley Biblical. The evidence is it became apparent before anything was determined 'Biblical' was my point.
Hope you're having a good Easter Sunday Dust.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#430606 Mar 31, 2013
586
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
You guys look stupid when you lie. You said you were a staunch defender of the Catholic faith for 40 yrs!! lol. You still don't have a clue about some basic Catholic teachings! What in thee Heck were you using to defend them??
I was using the same tripe you guys are using today...parroting what I had erroneous been taught...I was deaf and blind to the Truth...as you are today....

Since: Nov 08

usa

#430607 Mar 31, 2013
Infallibility of the church?

"The entire Roman Catholic argument depends upon the assumption that Rome could not do what Israel did. The problem is that in reality she has done exactly what Israel did. She has placed herself in precisely the same position that the Scribes and Pharisees found themselves in. Their oral law or tradition was so "synthesized" to the written Torah, that judgment of the validity of that unwritten law by means of the written law became an impossibility. Neither could judge the other because both were assumed to have originated with Moses. In the same way Rome has developed an unwritten tradition that she has synthesized with the written New Testament to the degree that it cannot be judged by that New Testament. If Mark 7 teaches us anything, it is that the two must not be "synthesized." The written Word of God must remain the unique norm."

Since: Nov 08

usa

#430608 Mar 31, 2013
Paul would make a far better "pope" than Peter:

The Bible says apostle Paul was certainly in Rome, we have nothing in the Bible that says Peter was ever in Rome.
Paul is more front and center in the book of Acts than Peter.
Paul is the great apostle whose record we have of going far and abroad to preach the gospel.
Paul is the one who has not one recorded bad blot on his life after his conversion.
Paul is the one who takes charge of matters and even rebukes Peter to the face.
Paul had way more epistles written than any one else.
Paul was a single man.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#430609 Mar 31, 2013
601
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes---I "was" a pathetic, misguided blind and a deaf fool", until God, through His Son Jesus, and the leading of the Holy Spirit (finally) led me to the Historical and biblical TRUTH of TRUE Salvation and TRUE faith in Jesus Christ in and through His One (and ONLY) True Catholic Church, after 35 years of being "shackled in the bondage" of Protestant bible only hypocricy, bigotry, lies and deception.......... 42,000= Contradicting and conflicting (hodge-podge) of Protestant, confusion, condemnation and chaos!!!!!
YOU CAN HAVE IT!! IT IS "ALL" YOURS!!
Your words verify the truth in my post...thank you.

You are being led by a spirit...no denying that...but your beliefs are coming from a unholy spirit..
Clay

Garden City, MI

#430610 Mar 31, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
586
<quoted text>
I was using the same tripe you guys are using today...parroting what I had erroneous been taught...I was deaf and blind to the Truth...as you are today....
Ya ok Ox..

Your lie is exposed. you couldn't have possibly used Catholic teachings to 'defend the faith' because you do not know enough about Catholic teachings, and I know for a fact you knew nothing about it last year. What little you know now, we taught you! And you still ignore it.
You couldn't have done the Church a better favor then by leaving. We need to clean the ignorant Ideologues out. Your home is the 42,000 radical fundies now. Its where people like you belong until you can cease designing your own Christianity; confess and come back to the Eucharist.

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