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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 650277 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#430303 Mar 29, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Before any discussion begins about Christianity on this forum, it should be required that y'all watch Stars video link.
What came first? The Church or the Bible?
Sola Scripture is literally impossible to subscribe to. Its amazing you guys added this teaching to Jesus Christ's Ministry when He never preached, discussed or commanded such a theory. Sola Scripture is a doctrine of men. Its strange and relatively new.
On this Holy day called Good Friday, I pray you reflect and pray on where you stand on Jesus Christ.
A blessed Easter week of Holy Thursday, Good Friday, Holy Saturday and Easter Sunday to you and your family Clay!! I'll be going to the Cathedral for Stations of the Cross (today) Friday at 12:15. Will look for you, in case you happen to be there!
4GVN

Jackson, MO

#430304 Mar 29, 2013
"hojo"]<quoted text>
For the 1st 1500 years of the Catholic Church ---"fundamentalists have "created" a bible only "rejection" of Church History AND the TRUE INTERPRETATION OF Sacred Scripture!
The FACT is that Jesus and his disciples didn"t practice Sola Scripture.(1) Christians accepted the resurrection, not based on the Bible, but based on the authority of the eyewitnesses. The disciples didn"t have any beliefs based on the Old Testament about Jesus resurrection because at first, they didn"t even believe the Messiah would have to die.
...RESPONSE: Scripture was still being developed in the early church days, but the FACT is that the early christians did recognize the scriptures as being GOD'S SORD and used the m to verify the teachings of Christ and His claims. They would have never accepted any teachings that were in conflict with the scriptures. And as the N.T. unfolded they held it to the same standard as the absolute truth.
For these reasons, it is "obvious" that Christians in Biblical times didn"t believe in Sola Scriptura then, neither can it be true now. If it wasn"t Biblical before the Bible was finished, how could it become Scriptural after its completion?
...RESPONSE: Your logic is unfounded...The early church did not believe or understand the Trinity...but that does not mean that it was not biblical or should not be believed now.
Just as Christians did then, we too can formulate beliefs based not only on Scripture, but also on the Divine Revelation of the Holy Spirit as received through those with appropriate authority in the church, or such revelation as preserved in the Traditions of the Church. The Word of God isn"t limited to the Bible! God can speak to each of us, and those who are enlightened by his Spirit, may impart information to us not found in the Bible, just as He spoke to the Christians in the first 1500 years of the Church!!
...RESPONSE: You are ignoring the FACT that ONLY the SCRIPTURE claims to be and was quoted as being the INSPIRED WORD of GOD by Jesus Himself. While it is tru that God does speak to the heart of His children to guide, convict and lead them in the way they should go, the FACT is that the revelation of God and the Inspiration of His Word ended when the scriptures were completed .
4GVN

Jackson, MO

#430305 Mar 29, 2013
hojo wrote:
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in I Thy 3:15, when he calls "the Church--(not the bible alone) as the pillar, pinnacle and foundation of the TRUTH AND (7)
While it is the 'church' according to its biblical defination that is to be the 'pillar, pinnacle and foundation (of the TRUTH), it is the WORD of GOD (the scriptures) that ARE the TRUTH. When Jesus was asked'What is truth', He responded with the words "Thy WORD(the scriptures) Oh God, is truth. Any other teachings are to be trusted only to the extent that they agrees with the Word of God(the Scriptures). The FINAL authority for the christian is to be the SCRIPTURES.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#430306 Mar 29, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>child abuse is worse than in the catholic church?? then how come they are not getting the headlines
Why?? Because the Catholic Church is the "greatest threat" to the liberal mainstream media, in their political "pushing" of abortion, homosexual marriage, embroyonic stem cell research, euthenasia, and on and on! The Catholic Church, has, is and will ALWAYS be counter-cultural to Obama and His Democratic liberal "hacks" who have been "in bed with the media" since day one. Both are taking this country "down the road" to immoral and perverted (degradation) and many of the Protestant Churches (have bought into this liberalism).....The Protestant Churches, you bible only "fundies" and the rest of the other 42,000+ contradicting and inconsistent Protestant beliefs--"are no threat" to the news media because most Protestant beliefs and denominations have "sold out" and have "sold their souls" to political correctness and liberalism in their support of abortion, gay marriage, ect.......That is why I converted to the One True Catholic Church of Jesus Christ because it teaches the TRUTH of the bible, the apostolic traditions passed on by Jesus HIMSELF and His Apostles ----- and---- the adheres to the TRUE FAITH of the doctrinal teachings of the Magisterim and the encyclicals!
4GVN

Jackson, MO

#430307 Mar 29, 2013
"hojo"]<quoted text>
For the 1st 1500 years of the Catholic Church ---"fundamentalists have "created" a bible only "rejection" of Church History AND the TRUE INTERPRETATION OF Sacred Scripture!
The FACT is that Jesus and his disciples didn"t practice Sola Scripture.(1) Christians accepted the resurrection, not based on the Bible, but based on the authority of the eyewitnesses. The disciples didn"t have any beliefs based on the Old Testament about Jesus resurrection because at first, they didn"t even believe the Messiah would have to die.
...RESPONSE: Scripture was still being developed in the early church days, but the FACT is that the early christians did recognize the scriptures as being GOD'S SORD and used the m to verify the teachings of Christ and His claims. They would have never accepted any teachings that were in conflict with the scriptures. And as the N.T. unfolded they held it to the same standard as the absolute truth.
....
For these reasons, it is "obvious" that Christians in Biblical times didn"t believe in Sola Scriptura then, neither can it be true now. If it wasn"t Biblical before the Bible was finished, how could it become Scriptural after its completion?
...RESPONSE: Your logic is unfounded...The early church did not believe or understand the Trinity...but that does not mean that it was not biblical or should not be believed now.
...
Just as Christians did then, we too can formulate beliefs based not only on Scripture, but also on the Divine Revelation of the Holy Spirit as received through those with appropriate authority in the church, or such revelation as preserved in the Traditions of the Church. The Word of God isn"t limited to the Bible! God can speak to each of us, and those who are enlightened by his Spirit, may impart information to us not found in the Bible, just as He spoke to the Christians in the first 1500 years of the Church!!
...RESPONSE: You are ignoring the FACT that ONLY the SCRIPTURE claims to be and was quoted as being the INSPIRED WORD of GOD by Jesus Himself. While it is tru that God does speak to the heart of His children to guide, convict and lead them in the way they should go, the FACT is that the revelation of God and the Inspiration of His Word ended when the scriptures were completed .
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#430308 Mar 29, 2013
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>While it is the 'church' according to its biblical defination that is to be the 'pillar, pinnacle and foundation (of the TRUTH), it is the WORD of GOD (the scriptures) that ARE the TRUTH. When Jesus was asked'What is truth', He responded with the words "Thy WORD(the scriptures) Oh God, is truth. Any other teachings are to be trusted only to the extent that they agrees with the Word of God(the Scriptures). The FINAL authority for the christian is to be the SCRIPTURES.
FALSE!!!! Sacred Scripture along with Apostolic Tradition handed down by Jesus to His Apostles (both the written and the unwritten) constitute TRUTH. Again---I Timothy 3:15----Paul calls the
CHURCH ( not the bible alone) is the Pillar, pinnacle and foundation of the TRUTH. Jesus Christs One True (Universal)
Church which has is and will always be the Catholic Church is the "final authority". If the bible is the final authority of TRUTH than which one of your 42,000 different interpretations of the bible is the (final authority of TRUTH). God is NOT the author of your "bible only" contradicting and conflicting Protestant confusion and chaos!!!
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#430309 Mar 29, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
236
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I know the definition of the word "vision".
Mt 17:9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
Mt 16:20; Mr 8:30; 9:9
Mt 16:20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
Mr 8: 30 And he charged them that they should tell no man of him.
Mr 9:9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.
I will give you three guesses as to who the vision is referring to!!!!!!
Christ being the son of God

Christ was transfigured and then appeared Moses and Elijah it was a vision a revelation. Moses represents the law and Elijah the prophets who revealed the word of God.
Also not a bright cloud over shadowed them they were not in heaven in this vision. It did represent Chris tin all his Glory however.
Also John in Revelation in his vision witnessed Christ in all his Glory as Christ had stated there are some here who will not pass away til they see the Son of Man coming in all his Glory.

Matthew 17

King James Version (KJV)


17 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,

2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.

7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.

8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#430310 Mar 29, 2013
Why I Left The Catholic Church
Testimonial by David Riggs.The Catholic Catechism For Adults on page 52 says, "Can you learn to save your soul just by reading the Bible? No, because certain things in the Bible can be misunderstood, and because the Bible does not have everything God taught." Notice that the first part of their answer to "Can you learn to save your soul just by reading the Bible?" is, "No..." However, their own translations of the Bible teaches the opposite. All Scriptural quotations that I will be giving are from Catholic translations. 2 Tim. 3:15-17 says, "And because from thy infancy thou hast known the holy scriptures, which can instruct thee to salvation, by faith which is Christ Jesus. All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice, that the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work." Thus, the apostle Paul by the inspiration of God, says to Timothy "thou hast known the holy scriptures, which can instruct thee to salvation" and make you "perfect, furnished to every good work."

Rom. 1:16 says, "For I am not ashamed of the gospel. For it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth, to the Jew first, and to the Greek. James 1:21 says, "...With meekness receive the ingrafted word, which is able to save you souls." Consequently, the word contained in the Bible is able to save our souls.

The next part of the answer in the Catechism to the question, "Can you learn to save your soul just by the Bible?" is, "No, because certain things in the Bible can be misunderstood..." They are implying that the Bible cannot be understood. John A. O'Brien, the Catholic author of the book, "The Faith of Millions," is much more expressive when he says on page 152, "The Bible is not a clear and intelligible guide to all..." The book, "The Faith of Millions" was given to me before my conversion by my older brother Norman who was at the time a student at St. Meinrad Seminary, St. Meinrad, Indiana.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#430311 Mar 29, 2013
Catholic officials follow up their claim (that we cannot understand the Bible) by stating that one can get the true meaning only from the Catholic Church. The Catechism For Adults on page 10 says, "How can you get the true meaning of the Bible? You can get it only from God's official interpreter, the Catholic Church." The Catholics have no passages which mention an official interpreter and, thus, they try to support their claim through human logic and reasoning. Anytime men do such, it amounts to nothing more than human philosophy rather than Scriptural proof. The Bible says, "Let God be true, but every man a liar..." (Rom. 3:4). It also warns, "See to it that no one deceives you by philosophy and vain deceit, according to human traditions, according to the elements of the world and not according to Christ." (Col. 2:8).

The doctrine of the "infallible interpreter" implies that God did not make Himself clear. It implies that God gave us a revelation that still needs revealing. Did God fail in His attempt to give man a revelation? Do the Catholic officials want us to believe they can express God's will more clearly than God Himself? We believe that God made the mind of man and is fully capable of addressing man in words which man can understand.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#430312 Mar 29, 2013
The Catholic writers try to teach that the church could never go into error and is preserved from error. The Catechism For Adults on page 56 says, "Why can't the Catholic Church ever teach error? Because Jesus promised to be always with His Church to protect it from error." The book, "My Catholic Faith" which is based heavily on materials from the Baltimore Catechism, was given to me by my father not long after I was converted. I think his intentions were that somehow it would cause me to return to the Catholic Church. It says on page 144, "Jesus Christ promised to preserve the Church from error." On page 145, it says, "Jesus Christ commanded all men to listen to and obey the Church, under pain of damnation. If His Church can teach error then He is responsible for the error, by commanding all to obey." On page 54 the Catechism For Adults says, "Does everyone have to obey the Catholic Church? Yes, because she alone has the authority of Jesus to rule and to teach." It is easy to see that Catholics have the authority in the wrong place. The authority is not in the body, but in the Head (Eph. 1:22-23; Col. 1:18). The ruling is not in the kingdom, but in the King (Heb. 7:1-2; Rev. 1:5-6). The authority is in not in the church, but in Christ (Matt. 28:18; 1 Pet. 3:22). The church is not the Savior, but simply the body of the saved (Acts 2:47; Eph. 5:22-24).

There are many passages in the New Testament which reveal that the church would not be preserved from error. Acts 20:17, 28-30; 2 Pet. 2:1-3; 1 Tim. 4:1-3; 2 Tim. 4:3-4; 2 Thess. 2:3-11. We see from these passages that there was to come a great falling away from the truth. In Acts chapter twenty we learn that perverse things would come from the bishops of the church. Peter said (2 Pet. 2) that false teachers would arise among you (working from within) and there would be many who would follow them. Paul tell us (2 Thess. 2) that the apostasy was already underway, "for the mystery of iniquity is already at work..." (Verse 7). It started in Paul's day and was to continue until the second coming of Christ. He added, "...Whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of his mouth and will destroy with the brightness of his coming."

Since: Nov 08

usa

#430313 Mar 29, 2013
he seven short epistles to seven churches of Asia in the book of Revelation reveal the relationship the church sustains to Christ (See Rev. chapters 2 and 3; see especially 2:1-5, 12-14, 18-20; 3:1-3, 14-15). Those verses plainly reveal that when a church continues in Christ's word, it keeps its identity as His church, but when it fails to abide in His word, it is not longer regarded as His church. Also, they reveal that Christ did not establish His church as one that could never fall into error, because some of those churches went into error. Someone might say that the passages in Revelation referred to the various parishes or congregations rather than the whole church. It is true that the verses were speaking of local churches; nevertheless, the same principle that applied to them relates to the whole church. The Lord does not have a rule for one congregation which is not equally applicable to all. If one church is rejected for embracing error, all others who likewise embrace error are rejected. The early churches had to earnestly contend for the faith, and to continually be on guard against error arising from within. The doctrine of an "infallible church" causes the Catholic Church to fail in this. The Catholic Church is a church which neither recognizes nor corrects its errors.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#430314 Mar 29, 2013
Reason I Left Was Because Christ Did Not Make Peter A Pope.

In the books of men, the following titles are commonly used with reference to a man: "Pope," "Holy Father," "Vicar of Christ," "Sovereign Pontiff." All of these are titles that rightly belong only to the Lord Jesus Christ and to God the Father. There is not a single instance in the Scriptures where any of the above titles are applied to a man. The term, "Holy Father" is used only once in the entire Bible, and it is used by Jesus in addressing God the Father.(John 17:11). Among the above titles is the bold assertion that the Pope is the "Vicar of Christ." A "vicar" is "One serving as a substitute or agent; one authorized to perform the functions of another in higher office." (Webster). When one searches the Bible from cover to cover, he finds only one passage which gives an indication of a vicar of Christ or God. It is 2 Thess. 2:3-4 and is worded as follows: "Let no one deceive you in any way, for the day of the Lord will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and is exalted above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he sits in the temple of God and gives himself out as if he were God."

Some religionists today advocate that man is saved by faith only. However, there is only one passage in the entire Bible that has the words "faith" and "only" together and it says, "not by faith only" (James 2:24). The Catholics today speak of the Pope as vicar, taking the place of God (Christ Himself is God, Matt. 1:23; John 1:1), yet there is only one passage in the entire Bible which speaks of a man doing such and it calls him "the man of sin."

James Cardinal Gibbons, a Catholic Archbishop said, "Jesus our Lord, founded but one Church, which He was pleased to build on Peter. Therefore, any church that does not recognize Peter as its foundation stone is not the Church of Christ, and therefore cannot stand, for it is not the work of God." (The Faith of Our Fathers, p. 82). The apostle Paul said, "For other foundation no one can lay, but that which has been laid, which is Christ Jesus" (1 Cor. 3:11). There is no other foundation but Christ! Therefore, any church which does not recognize Christ alone as the foundation stone cannot be the church of Christ.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#430315 Mar 29, 2013
Catholic writers often speak of "the primacy of Peter" and "the primacy of the Pope." However, Col. 1:18, speaking of Christ, says, "And he is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the first-born from the dead; that in all things he may hold the primacy..." Thus, with reference to the authority in the church, the Lord Jesus Christ holds the primacy in all things. This leaves nothing for the Pope!

Catholics claim that the Pope is the visible head of the church. The Catholic book Answer Wisely, by Martin J. Scott says on p. 49, "The pope, therefore, as vicar of Christ, is the visible head of Christ's kingdom on earth, the Church, of which Christ Himself is the invisible head." The book Father Smith Instructs Jackson, by John F. Noll and Lester J. Fallon, on page 42 says, "According to the will of Christ, all its members profess the same faith, have the same worship and Sacraments, and are united under the one and same visible head, the Pope." Catholic officials always use the word "visible" no doubt thinking that it removes the thought of the Pope standing in opposition to the headship of Christ, and removes the apparent problem of having a church with two heads. Nonetheless, the Scriptures nowhere teach the idea of a visible and invisible head. Jesus said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me." (Matt. 28:18; Emp. mine D.R.). Luke 17:20-21 says, "And on being asked by the Pharisees,'When is the kingdom of God coming?' he answered and said to them, The kingdom of God comes unawares. Neither will they say,'Behold, here it is,' or 'Behold, there it is.' For behold the kingdom of God is within you." The kingdom of God is a spiritual kingdom and therefore needs only a spiritual head or king.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#430316 Mar 29, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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same damn thing! my father is/was catholic and my mother syrian orthodox and i was a spiritually crazy & mixed up kid
No it is not the "same damn thing"

Since: Nov 08

usa

#430317 Mar 29, 2013
Catholics often use the expression, "One fold and one shepherd" to sustain the doctrine of the papacy.(See Catechism For Adults, p. 59). They teach that the "one shepherd" is the Pope and the "one fold" represents the Catholic Church. Hear what Jesus said about it: "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for his sheep...I am the good shepherd, and I know mine and mine know me, even as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for my sheep. And other sheep I have that are not of this fold. Them also I must bring and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold and one shepherd." (John 10:11, 14-16). Jesus is that one good shepherd. If one can understand that one and one equals two, he can understand this. If one is subject to Christ as the one shepherd--that's one. If one is subject to the Pope as the one Shepherd--that's two!..Conclusion:

There are other reasons why I left the Catholic Church. I have simple tried to list some of the ones that made the greatest impression on me at the time of my conversion. I hope and pray that these things will be of some benefit to those who are making an honest inquiry regarding truth. I beseech and invite all my Catholic friends and relatives to examine these things in the light of God's holy Word. May God be with you in your endeavors to serve Him.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#430318 Mar 29, 2013
Why I Left The Catholic Church
Testimonial #2 by Joseph C. Malone
Find the true church in your own home town!

Catholics Disregard The Word Of God

I left the Roman Catholic Church because of its disregard for the Word of God. Should any be inclined to take issue with that statement relative to the attitude of the Catholic Church, let me remind you that the Catholic Church maintains that "the Bible is a dead letter and unable to interpret itself." Yet in the Bible, whether Catholic or not, we read, "The word of God is living and powerful [quick and active], and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart" (Hebrews 4:12). That is Heaven's pronouncement in regard to the matter. Further the Catholic Church asserts, "We do not in anywise presuppose that the books of the New Testament are inspired, but, rather, they are only genuine, authentic documents written by honest men." John, one of the writers of the New Testament, wrote, "Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me,'Write: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on' " (Revelation 14:13). That is either an inspired statement or John was dishonest and, in either case, the Catholic Church would be in error.

Paul, another one of the writers of the New Testament, wrote, "If any one thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord" (I Corinthians 14:37). The attitude of the Catholic Church is the attitude of Diotrephes, "... but Diotrephes, who loves to have the preeminence among them, does not receive us. Therefore, if I come, I will call to mind his deeds which he does, prating against us with malicious words" (III John 9, 10).

The Bible becomes a "dead letter" to those whose doctrine it condemns; but, in the words of Paul, here is the attitude toward the Bible of those who respect heaven's way. "Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness: that the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work" (II Timothy 3:16, 17).

Since: Nov 08

usa

#430319 Mar 29, 2013
Catholics Claim That New Testament Is Uninspired

Not only does the Catholic Church contend that the Bible is a "dead letter" and the New Testament is uninspired, but it maintains that the apostles appointed a "divine, infallible apostolate" to direct us. That is essentially the way the Catholic Church endeavors to make room in the realm of religion for papal edicts and the decrees of the Romanist councils. But consider this: "For if the word spoken through angels proved steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompense of reward; how shall we escape, if we neglect so great a salvation? which having at the first been spoken unto us through the Lord, was confirmed unto us by them that heard" (Hebrews 2:2, 3). Those who heard the word were the ones to confirm it, and that is in keeping with the following statement of Peter, "Therefore, of these men who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, beginning from the baptism of John to that day when He was taken up from us, one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection." This was said in regard to one "... to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas by transgression fell" (Acts 1:21, 22, 25). Can this so-called "divine, infallible apostolate" qualify? And after the word has been spoken and confirmed, what purpose could such an office serve?

Since: Nov 08

usa

#430320 Mar 29, 2013
Word Of God Injurious To Roman Catholic Church

Recently, I had a conversation with a young lady who had been a government engineer and a Catholic. She is now employed in a vital capacity with the American Bible Society, a non-profit organization which has as its purpose the distribution of Bibles and Testaments. Last year, that institution in the pursuit of its noble course distributed throughout the world some twelve million Bibles and twenty-nine million New Testaments, and remember, without cost to the recipients.

Several months ago that young lady went to confession. While there, the priest asked her where she was working. She told him that she was working for the American Bible Society. He said, "You'll have to stop that." She inquired why adding that she thought it was wonderful to spread God's Word. His answer was that such furthers Protestantism. If the distribution of Bibles and Testaments free from anything other than the Word of God furthers Protestantism, what can you say for Catholicism? Could there be any stronger indictment of the Catholic Church as a man-made religious organization than that? Incidentally, you might be interested to know that I baptized that young lady into Christ.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#430321 Mar 29, 2013
Out Of Paganism Grew The Papacy

The empire of pagan Rome, like unto a cruel beast, truly wore the name of blasphemy. It was called the Holy Roman Empire. Can an empire be holy which killed the saints and supported with all its strength a worship of force and idolatry? There is blasphemy! As long as pagan Rome was in the ascendancy, her crowned heads claimed divine powers. Sufficient proof of this is seen in the fact that every ecumenical council for the first six centuries was called by an emperor. The cruelty of pagan Rome shows that she derived her power from the dragon, the devil.

When the barbarian hordes swept down from the north in A.D. 476, the empire seemingly was "wounded to death." Babylon fell to rise no more. The Kingdom of the Medes and the Persians fell to rise no more. Apparently that would be the lot of Rome. But not so! The "deadly wound was healed" and "all the world wondered after the beast." Paul declared that the "man of sin" would not be revealed until that which restrained was taken away.

History plainly shows that, as long as pagan Rome was in the ascendancy, papal Rome was held in check. In the fourth century, Emperor Constantine recognized his version of "Christianity" as the true religion; and, by his gifts to the church and at the point of the sword, he gave impetus to that movement which resulted in the ascendancy of papal Rome. As pagan Rome declined, papal Rome ascended. Out of the casket of pagan Rome emerges papal Rome! Thus the second beast makes his presence felt for, "He exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence" (Revelation 13:12).

And let me say just here that all the pageantry and display and pomp and ostentation of the Roman Catholic Church as is evidenced in her ornately decorated altars, the flowing robes and richly embellished garments of her priests and the tapers and incense all of this constitutes but relics of pagan Rome and speaks convincingly, itself, of the origin of papal Rome. And yet the uninformed are taken in by such stuff, thinking that it is the mark of the true religion. How unlike the Christ who, in the midst of Roman pageantry, was born in a stable and placed in a manger and who, some two years before his death, said, "The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head." And how unlike Peter who said, "Silver and gold have I none" is that one who sits pompously in the midst of the vast wealth of the Vatican while without her walls the impoverished Italians beg for bread; and yet many of them continue to pay allegiance to that impostor who in no small degree is responsible for their sad plight. Thus the "strong delusion" works of which Paul spoke. Why cannot people see that, on the very face of it, such pageantry cannot be a part of the religion of our Lord Jesus Christ? We say with the apostle Paul, "I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ" (II Corinthians 11:3).

Since: Nov 08

usa

#430322 Mar 29, 2013
hojo wrote:
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Sorry to disappoint you, jethro8, but Jesus Christ IS THE CHURCH--the One True UNIVERSAL (Catholic) Church, beginning with Matthew 16:13-21 and ALL through 2000 years of PROVEN Church HISTORY...... Jesus in Matt 16 calls His Church "Upon this rock I will build MY CHURCH" ---Jesus Church is the Bride of Christ-----has, is and will ALWAYS BE!! Your (opinionated) editorialized "making up of Church History along with (personally) "editorializing" the TRUE interpretation of the bible, doesn't change the TRUTH!
not even close,be sure to read the stories i posted that come from ex-Catholics and why they left the church.they paint a very different picture than you do,and since there are multiple stories from different people who do not know each other but tell basically the same thing as to what's wrong with the church i believe what they are saying is true an honest,they are corroborated stories.

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