Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.
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"once they learn the truth about the Church, they will leave"
What truth? How Pagan Rome established Sunday as the Lords day to coincide with sun god worship??
God help anyone who pulls souls away from the Church using that 'truth'.
THE FALSE PROPHETS WOULD LEAD US STRAIGHT INTO SUN WORSHIP--

The third angel's message cries with a loud voice to return to the worship of the Creator God, who made the heaven's and the
earth and the sea. Why would the last warning message focus on this aspect of God? Why the emphasis on His Creative
power? Could it be because sun worship, has invaded Christianity in a clever disguise and usurped the true worship of God
the Creator.

For in six days God created the heavens and the earth and rested upon the seventh day and blessed and sanctified it.
Remember the Sabbath day!

Sun day - is the venerable day of the sun.

The edict of Constantine, in A.D. 321, was NOT the first time the week of seven day week with it's recurring day of the Sun
recognized. Two hundred years earlier we already see a Christian teacher trying to impress a Roman emperor by telling him
Christians worship on the "day of the sun".

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nap time be back later.
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But let us leave the realm of conjecture and return to historical records. There is ample evidence to demonstrate that, even though the Christmas date was not made official until 354, clearly it was established long before Aurelian instituted his pagan feastday.
The conception of St. John the Baptist is the historical anchor to know the date of Christmas, based on the detailed and careful calculations on dates made by first Fathers of the Church.
The date of St. Elizabeth's conception sets the base for knowing Christ's birth
The early tractatus De solstitiia records the tradition of the Archangel Gabriel appearing to Zachariah in the High Temple when he was serving as high priest on the Day of Atonement (Lk 1:8). This placed the conception of St. John the Baptist during the feast of Tabernacles in late September, as the Archangel Gabriel said (Lk 1:28) and his birth nine months later at the time of the summer solstice.(4)
Since the Gospel of Luke states that the Archangel Gabriel appeared to the Virgin Mary in the sixth month after John's conception (Lk 1:26), this placed the conception of Christ at about the time of the spring equinox, that is, at the time of the Jewish Passover, in late March. His birth would thus be in late December at the time of the winter solstice.
That these dates, based on Tradition and Scripture, are trustworthy is confirmed by recent evidence taken from the Dead Sea Scrolls, whose authors were very concerned about calendar dates, essential for establishing when the Torah feasts should be celebrated. The data found in the Scrolls make it possible to know the Temple’s rotating assignment of priests during Old Testament times and show definitely that Zachariah served as a Temple priest in September, thus confirming the tradition of the Early Church.(5)
The Catholic Church determined March 25 as the date of Our Lord’s Conception long before Aurelian decided to make his solar feast. For example, around 221 AD, Sexto Julio Africano wrote the Chronographiai in which he affirmed that the Annunciation was March 25.(6) Once the date of the Incarnation was established, it was a simple matter of adding nine months to arrive at the date of Our Lord’s birth - December 25. This date would not be made official until the late fourth century, but it was established long before Aurelian and Constantine. It had nothing to do with pagan festivals.
We can be certain that the first Catholic apologists and Fathers of the Church, who lived very close to the time of the Apostles, were fully aware of the dates associated with the birth of Our Lord Jesus Christ. They had all the calendar sources at hand and they would not allow any untruth to be introduced in the Catholic liturgy. The date of Christ’s birth was transmitted by them as being December 25, a Sunday.
Addressing the verse of Luke 2:7, Fr Cornelius a Lapide comments on the architecture of this choice:“Christ was born Sunday, because this was the first day of the world.… Christ was born on Sunday night, in keeping with the order of His marvels, so that the day on which He said Let there be light, and there was light, was the same day on which, at night, the light shone in darkness for the upright of heart, that is, the sun of justice, Christ the Lord.”(7)
http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/e0...
More RCC cut & paste -- full of mysticism, opinion, and factual errors -- from the same people who tell us that the decades-long, worldwide abuse cover-up never happened.

There's an entire industry that is paid to provide various denominations with "proof."

But that "proof" is outdated, because even Pope Benedict wrote that the 12/25 date is surely incorrect.

Remember Pope Benedict?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Catholics here need to be reprogrammed.

"Pope Benedict Disputes Jesus’ Date of Birth"

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/11/22/pope-bene...

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Clay wrote:
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Matthew 16:19 shows the kind of authority Jesus gave Peter. Whatever decisions he makes within the Church, Heaven will recognize as valid.
Acts 20:7 Shows the Apostles 'gathering on Sunday to break bread. This is also called the Holy Mass.
As I showed yesterday, the Apostolic fathers clearly show Sunday the day being the Lords day.
Your assertion that Pagan Rome changed it to be the Sun god worship day is a lie. Sunday is from the authority of the Apostles.
Do you acknowledge your error?
quick note,peter has nothing to do with the catholic church.he was not the first pope as the church likes people to think.show me in scripture where he is called pope? the papacy is a myth created by the church.
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Clay,

I was listening to Scott Hahn recently and before he was a Catholic he said he hadn't read Catholic perspectives. In all his schooling he had never felt the need. He always went to libraries to gather every book he could to fight against Catholics. He found this raggedy old book one day. He started to read it. He said it was the most profound book he had ever read. It was so clear and pristine.

He started to share it with his Protestant friends. They were all blown away at the wisdom of this man immersed in scripture and knowledge. They all asked, Who is this guy? We need to read more from him. Scott Hahn said I dont know probably a reformed anything but a Catholic. It never even occured to him that a Catholic could be the author.

Then one day a guy came in with a guy in time Magazine. The author of that book. They said well that cant be this guy he is a Catholic. So they dismissed it as the same guy. Meanwhile he found some other books. They continued to be amamazed at the wisdom and knowledge of this man who was bringing scripture and Christ to life like they had never known before.

That man was Joseph Ratzinger. His colleagues who were all militant anti-catholics were stunned. He had to meet this man the media was calling the Grand Inqusitor, the panther, the feared master and all kinds of other negative connotations assigned to him. What he found was the most humble man he had ever met and with knowledge of scripture that surpassed anyone he had known. He found him in the bookshelves. He devoted an entire day speaking to a Protestant and answering all of his questions and leaving him more and a burning desire to learn more about God.

He was not long ago invited by the largest Baptist bible in the country to speak on the writings of Joseph Ratzinger. He said he knows what they are expecting, but its not what they will get.
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The "one true" church has a problem.

2000 years of history -- that no one ever imagined could one day be so well cataloged, accessed, and studied.

Suddenly, long-time claims are easily refuted, not only by independent sources, but also by finding and comparing the exact words and writings of Popes and Councils.

No one true church would ever have a reason to fear the truth -- or to blame others for their own ills.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

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who="Free Mind"
Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, and Abe Lincoln doeth no good?
I disagree.
What a petty, small-minded god you have created. You should get out more, travel the world, read about other cultures. Other peoples are just as worthy as yourself.

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Read a little better. The scripture was talking about FOOLS, not Jefferson, Franklin or Lincoln.
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More RCC cut & paste -- full of mysticism, opinion, and factual errors -- from the same people who tell us that the decades-long, worldwide abuse cover-up never happened.
There's an entire industry that is paid to provide various denominations with "proof."
But that "proof" is outdated, because even Pope Benedict wrote that the 12/25 date is surely incorrect.
Remember Pope Benedict?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Not worthy of a reply, but in line with the usual foolishness and childs play of someone who has little to offer in terms of truth or anything but abuse rather than the teachings of the church. Yes Joseph Ratzinger did write on the subject, but the point at hand is was it changed because of paganism. The answer is clearly no. It had nothing to do with it. Catholics are not afraid of it. He was talking about how the dates were determined. The exact date is more important to you than it is theologians or believers. What is noted is that Christians celebrated it before Constantine. So your premise and feeble attempt to put up a strawman that you can rip down of your own makings is nothing but your usual emptry ramblings. But thanks. I will chalk it up to another day of willful ignorance on your part.

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BTW: Our forefathers came here to escape those 'other cultures' that were stealing from them, torturing and killing them, because that is what those cultures do.

Our proud liberals are returning us to the power of those same cultures, and we must remember that history repeats itself. We are in great danger.

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jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>THE FALSE PROPHETS WOULD LEAD US STRAIGHT INTO SUN WORSHIP--
The third angel's message cries with a loud voice to return to the worship of the Creator God, who made the heaven's and the
earth and the sea. Why would the last warning message focus on this aspect of God? Why the emphasis on His Creative
power? Could it be because sun worship, has invaded Christianity in a clever disguise and usurped the true worship of God
the Creator.
For in six days God created the heavens and the earth and rested upon the seventh day and blessed and sanctified it.
Remember the Sabbath day!
Sun day - is the venerable day of the sun.
The edict of Constantine, in A.D. 321, was NOT the first time the week of seven day week with it's recurring day of the Sun
recognized. Two hundred years earlier we already see a Christian teacher trying to impress a Roman emperor by telling him
Christians worship on the "day of the sun".
Don't confuse them with facts.

Even a former Pope says Jesus wasn't born on or about 12/25.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/11/22/pope-bene...

Can Catholics get their money back on all the books by Catholic organizations -- that "prove" that Jesus was born on 12/25?

I know a Bigfoot who was born on that date. Maybe the RCC can just change Jesus' name to Bigfoot?
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Dust Storm wrote:
Clay,
I was listening to Scott Hahn recently and before he was a Catholic he said he hadn't read Catholic perspectives. In all his schooling he had never felt the need. He always went to libraries to gather every book he could to fight against Catholics. He found this raggedy old book one day. He started to read it. He said it was the most profound book he had ever read. It was so clear and pristine.
He started to share it with his Protestant friends. They were all blown away at the wisdom of this man immersed in scripture and knowledge. They all asked, Who is this guy? We need to read more from him. Scott Hahn said I dont know probably a reformed anything but a Catholic. It never even occured to him that a Catholic could be the author.
Then one day a guy came in with a guy in time Magazine. The author of that book. They said well that cant be this guy he is a Catholic. So they dismissed it as the same guy. Meanwhile he found some other books. They continued to be amamazed at the wisdom and knowledge of this man who was bringing scripture and Christ to life like they had never known before.
That man was Joseph Ratzinger. His colleagues who were all militant anti-catholics were stunned. He had to meet this man the media was calling the Grand Inqusitor, the panther, the feared master and all kinds of other negative connotations assigned to him. What he found was the most humble man he had ever met and with knowledge of scripture that surpassed anyone he had known. He found him in the bookshelves. He devoted an entire day speaking to a Protestant and answering all of his questions and leaving him more and a burning desire to learn more about God.
He was not long ago invited by the largest Baptist bible in the country to speak on the writings of Joseph Ratzinger. He said he knows what they are expecting, but its not what they will get.
I had the privilege of meeting Dr. Hahn last summer. It was just the two of us for about 15 min before he went up to speak.(no one else knew that was the guy they were coming to hear) lol.

He articulates the Catholic perspective on the Book of Revelation like no other.
To hear his conversion story still amazes me every time. He actually had to work at investigative research because there was no internet in 1986.

I especially like his testimonial about seeking notable Protestant theologians to 'save' him from converting to Catholicism. When they finished combing through the Catholic teachings on the issues, the Protestant Ministers all converted...except him, because he promised his wife he'd wait 4 yrs at least.
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Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, and Abe Lincoln doeth no good?
I disagree.
What a petty, small-minded god you have created. You should get out more, travel the world, read about other cultures. Other peoples are just as worthy as yourself.
__________
Read a little better. The scripture was talking about FOOLS, not Jefferson, Franklin or Lincoln.
How did that verse define a fool? Please site verse. Thanks.
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In the 1st centuries, the first day, being made a festival in honor of Christ's resurrection, received attention as a day of religious services and recreation, but seventh-day Sabbath rest was still observed by "almost all churches". According to classical sources, widespread seventh-day Sabbath rest by Gentile Christians was also the prevailing mode in the 3rd and 4th centuries.

Various Christian sects were feuding and in some cases, killing each other.

Constantine wanted agreement. He also wanted a less Jewish religion, as the Jewish revolt was still remembered as the most costly uprising the empire had ever faced.

This was made clear by his own writings. How many Catholics have actually read Constantine's own words and only accept what they are told to accept?
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Clay wrote:
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I had the privilege of meeting Dr. Hahn last summer. It was just the two of us for about 15 min before he went up to speak.(no one else knew that was the guy they were coming to hear) lol.
He articulates the Catholic perspective on the Book of Revelation like no other.
To hear his conversion story still amazes me every time. He actually had to work at investigative research because there was no internet in 1986.
I especially like his testimonial about seeking notable Protestant theologians to 'save' him from converting to Catholicism. When they finished combing through the Catholic teachings on the issues, the Protestant Ministers all converted...except him, because he promised his wife he'd wait 4 yrs at least.
I have only heard bits and pieces, but I will have to look at his conversion story. Everytime I have heard him speak I have really enjoyed it. However the story I displayed to you reminds me alot of this thread. By mistake they were reading a Catholic with an open mind only when they discover that what was being said was Catholic then they went into overdrive to dismiss it, but couldnt and remain truthful about what had been revealed to them. Interesting.

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Cathy the Catholic says: let's be 'good catholics' and worship our new pope, even tho we don't know him from adam!:-)
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Not worthy of a reply, but in line with the usual foolishness and childs play of someone who has little to offer in terms of truth or anything but abuse rather than the teachings of the church. Yes Joseph Ratzinger did write on the subject, but the point at hand is was it changed because of paganism. The answer is clearly no. It had nothing to do with it. Catholics are not afraid of it. He was talking about how the dates were determined. The exact date is more important to you than it is theologians or believers. What is noted is that Christians celebrated it before Constantine. So your premise and feeble attempt to put up a strawman that you can rip down of your own makings is nothing but your usual emptry ramblings. But thanks. I will chalk it up to another day of willful ignorance on your part.
So why did Pope Benedict even bother writing his book?

Why did Constantine feel he had to unite his Christians under one date, if they were all in so much agreement?

Have you ever read Constantine's own words on the topic?

Some "ignorance" on my part maybe, but any on yours?

When you seek only information that proclaims only what you want to believe, how can you correct a factual error?

You cannot. Your sources are limited and your mind does not process information that doesn't conform to your cherished beliefs. Your outlet is to call others names and proclaim their ignorance.

You speak only truth, and the Easter Bunny will be here soon.

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<quoted text>It's hard to believe in something that you can't prove absolutely undeniably exists. we are taught Santa Claus exists,and now this coming Sunday a rabbit named peter is going to hop down a bunny trail and deliver Easter eggs is that true?
OXBOW WROTE..
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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Confronting writes
The world has attempted to replace worship with ritual...
The flesh glories in pomp pride and public Pharisaical display.
The Devil works to duplicate and
R'AFF, n.
1. The sweepings of society; the rabble; the mob. This is used chiefly in the compound or duplicate, riff-raff.
2.Turn the work/word of God into ...
A promiscuous heap or collection; A jumble, of
confusion and corruption.
Thus the events that are of so greater value and importance in Christianity have been prostituted.
Nom enipe ifeferi dixeyov leli tisi, eteyalun rebasod rip oba erosi ya aromerag riedes adehit go. Uparayu seriteg rolirar cih ser li. Netesus nor irep egah epe aror lunota. Cit rusose dare pogeho ireladot? Ibe lacuce ceh cituse: Tadebied heteb ayasa hop yelie demepo cir, hibeset mot me! Xeneses re yuqot muqem yieg jemic lisago yapi caci! Alonies wol mut teti dat timu pi votog. Lipel seso toma? Erogay sotires totabe ibet te ka hi afir sisadag! Memesa oyunopen behetam tacir sarif enero. Osicosie nimo nedi rir siewe. Odemu iha itenah tiexiw tos cerefun lif. Recodot sico ifemes geh.

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The Gay Catholic Mafia...
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-ne...
Did Jesus really screw this badly?
Or is the RCC BUSTED yet?
It can not be both.
OUCH!!

Look for a report from the RCC that shows this outpsoken priest will be ex-communicated for speaking out against the RCC's and its immediate problems.

Looks like the door is now open wide. I wonder if anyone will volunteerly walk through it.
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Now you have confused me. How can you do both??? Keep the law AND break the law?????
He can, and will, issue a ticket, or jail you for speeding at 100mph..
Ignorance of the law is no excuse. That's the standard line motorists hear when they say they weren't aware of the speed limit, or gun owners hear when they say didn't know about the gun laws in the jurisdiction they happened to get arrested in.
If we love God, we KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS but when we fail WE HAVE GRACE.
There does that make it plain?

Or is that too hard for you?

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