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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 667936 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#429479 Mar 24, 2013
Clay wrote:
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All I know, is that history shows the Orthodox being united with The Bishop of Rome until the schism.
The Papacy is documented in every decade since Peter.
Pope Clement wrote authoritatively to the Churches and they listened to him. This was done while some of the Apostle were still alive.
I'm assuming the Church in the East would also have listened to Rome if any disputes erupted. Perhaps this is why the remarkable similarities between the two Churches exist today, 2,000 yrs later.
Plus, Herm, any group of people need one leader. Whether its a coach on a football team or a Bishop. Jesus Christ did the responsible thing by leaving someone in charge of the day to day operations of His Church, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I would have done the same thing. One Bishop; One Faith; One fold.
Well Clay I wouldnt expect any kind of calm or reasoned approach from those two. The Orthodox did reunite at the council of Florence. You can google the recent discussions at Ravenna. Metropolitan Hilarion seemed to be open to ecumenical discussions. However certain sects of Orthodox reject him as a Heretic. His papers were cirulated at Catholic seminaries. At least open discussion. It was a great disappointment that the Russian contingent headed by Hilarion left the discussions at Ravenna due to a dispute within the Orthodox church. They all agreed, but then the document was reviewed in Russia and rejected. The largest share of the Orthodox are under the Russian umbrella.

What is being discussed and reviewed with theologians is the role of the Papacy in the early church. Long before you or these 2 came here these things were put out in some detail. 2 lungs is a fairly comprehensive website dealing with points and counterpoints which are being discussed. Kallisto, Bartholemew and other Patriarchs have warmed quite a bit allowing talks to take place. Pope Benedict was greatly respected. He is a deep theologian and extremely intelligent. However perhaps not as Charismatic. Francis is very familiar with the Eastern Church and Charismatic. It is too early to tell what issues he may become mired with. Bendedict never wanted the Papacy but he went where he felt he was called. He wanted to continue his writings and work feverishly on a unification of the churches.

The issue being discussed right now is the issues you are bringing up. They are sharing documents and discussing the role of the papacy in the early church and the theology. It is interesting to see what they did agree upon.

Since: Jul 12

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#429480 Mar 24, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>Lies and cover ups are what you and your church stand for....Good job!
Lady, you have got one hell of a problem. You don't have a clue as to what you are talking about, just vomiting bile along with the rest of the protestants. While Christians have been spending Lent in prayer and repentance, you are here bashing Jesus' church. What an ugly person you are. You need to go to confession.
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#429481 Mar 24, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe you do fear the Catholic Church. This is why you'll believe anything negative about them. When people falsely accuse us of worshiping Mary, you'll latch on to that out of fear, no matter the evidence presented to exonerate us.
The Scribes, Pharisees and other Jews feared Jesus Christ. And now you fear His Church. You love to embrace the lies presented towards the CC.
I believe this is why many of you are attached to such a radical form of Christianity that it does not make sense. It requires complete ignorance to be one of you guys. It requires you to 'make believe' that the Apostles completely messed up the will of Jesus Christ and forgot to explain their letters properly.
Then, you proudly and foolishly think the 'born again' movement uncovered the secret hidden meaning behind the Ministery of Jesus Christ, that was kept from people by the evil Roman Catholic Church until the Bible was printed!
In my opinion, you take advantage of Gods infinite love for all His creation, by assuming that when you turned your life to Christ, Jesus gave you the authority to read and decide your own opinion on His will..
Arrogant. Irresponsible. Bold and foolish!
No there is nothing to fear; the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom Clay.
The evil of your denomination is history, my opinion doesn't amount to a hill of beans Clay.
My faith in totally in Jesus Christ, and what He did for me on the cross. That is what I trust in, that Jesus washed my sins away, and gave me a new direction.

There is nothing else that has ever made since .
God's Grace is sufficient for me.
Your eyes are on man, mine is on Jesus and His righteousness,

John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

THAT IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU CLAY, GOD LOVES US ALL.
BEING PROTESTANT OR CATHOLIC DOES'T GOD LOVES YOU MORE OR LESS.
ITS WHAT'S IN A PERSONS HEART.
What does the Bible say,

Romans 10

King James Version (KJV)

10 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven?(that is, to bring Christ down from above:)

7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep?(that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Since: Feb 12

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#429482 Mar 24, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Well Clay I wouldnt expect any kind of calm or reasoned approach from those two. The Orthodox did reunite at the council of Florence. You can google the recent discussions at Ravenna. Metropolitan Hilarion seemed to be open to ecumenical discussions. However certain sects of Orthodox reject him as a Heretic. His papers were cirulated at Catholic seminaries. At least open discussion. It was a great disappointment that the Russian contingent headed by Hilarion left the discussions at Ravenna due to a dispute within the Orthodox church. They all agreed, but then the document was reviewed in Russia and rejected. The largest share of the Orthodox are under the Russian umbrella.
What is being discussed and reviewed with theologians is the role of the Papacy in the early church. Long before you or these 2 came here these things were put out in some detail. 2 lungs is a fairly comprehensive website dealing with points and counterpoints which are being discussed. Kallisto, Bartholemew and other Patriarchs have warmed quite a bit allowing talks to take place. Pope Benedict was greatly respected. He is a deep theologian and extremely intelligent. However perhaps not as Charismatic. Francis is very familiar with the Eastern Church and Charismatic. It is too early to tell what issues he may become mired with. Bendedict never wanted the Papacy but he went where he felt he was called. He wanted to continue his writings and work feverishly on a unification of the churches.
The issue being discussed right now is the issues you are bringing up. They are sharing documents and discussing the role of the papacy in the early church and the theology. It is interesting to see what they did agree upon.
Now why would you say that? We do not disagree with facts.But this post has not a thing to do with what was discused in past post.

Since: Feb 12

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#429483 Mar 24, 2013
alessandro alfieri wrote:
<quoted text>
Lady, you have got one hell of a problem. You don't have a clue as to what you are talking about, just vomiting bile along with the rest of the protestants. While Christians have been spending Lent in prayer and repentance, you are here bashing Jesus' church. What an ugly person you are. You need to go to confession.
LOL...Go Catholic Go!!.....(cheering)

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#429484 Mar 24, 2013
alessandro alfieri wrote:
<quoted text>
Lady, you have got one hell of a problem. You don't have a clue as to what you are talking about, just vomiting bile along with the rest of the protestants. While Christians have been spending Lent in prayer and repentance, you are here bashing Jesus' church. What an ugly person you are. You need to go to confession.
opps one more thing....are you one of those Christians spending time in prayer and repentance?? if so why are you bashing me? I will light a candle for you tonight when I say my prayers.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#429485 Mar 24, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>opps one more thing....are you one of those Christians spending time in prayer and repentance?? if so why are you bashing me? I will light a candle for you tonight when I say my prayers.
Just admonishing the sinner. It's one of the spiritual works of mercy. I'm not sure God hears the prayers of the unrepentant so maybe you should go to confession before you try praying for anyone else. Time to go before you drag me down with you.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#429486 Mar 24, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>TRUTH is in over 2000 years of Jesus Christs One (and only) TRUE Apostolic Catholic Church.JETHRO:
show me in scripture where Jesus declares this statement of yours is factual?
hojo--Where does it say in the bible-that every word, and every phrase MUST BE IN THE BIBLE in order for it to be true! NOWHERE! You "fundies" just keep "making things up" like you always do!! Jesus Christs One True Catholic Church is written, recorded and documented for over 2000 years in TRUE APOSTOLIC CHURCH HISTORY -by practically (every) Apologistic Historian author and writer--over and over and over again!-----You just keep spreading your "editorialized opinionated) concocted and fictitious (anti-catholic) church history legends to your own demise and destruction!
"HE never gives his church a name,he did not try to start a denomination/s all he tried to do according to the theory is spread his fathers WORD."that is true history.
hojo---Jesus intiated and established HIS CHURCH in Matt 16:13-21. It was "one (and only one)--universal" Church, beginning with His first Church at Antioch (Acts 2) headed by HIS Apostoles. It was a heirarchical, authoritative, visible "ecclesia" Church (Greek translated) with bishops, priests, elders, and deacons (again Acts 2). Paul confirms the authoritative, visible Church that Jesus formed in I Timothy 3:15 when Paul calls "The Church--(not the bible alone) as the pillar, pinnacle and foundation of the TRUTH.
This is more than "proven and veriable" TRUE Church History that is confirmed over and over again for over 2000 years---BUT it is ALSO---TRUE biblical interpretation from the "spoken, stated and expressed words of Jesus HIMSELF but also directly from PAUL! The problem with you Jethro8 is that you as bible only "fundie", BY YOUR OWN DEFIANCE, IGNORANCE3, AND REBELLIOUSNESS----(refuse to believe the TRUTH of the bible and to believe the expressed words of Jesus, Paul, JESUS' Apostles and those who historically and (immediately followed them such as Ignatius, Polycarp, Irenaeus, Hegesippus, Justin Martyr, Clement of Alexandria, Origin, Jerome, Augustine and the hundred of Saints of the Early Church that confirmed EVERYTHING HISTORICALLY AND BIBLICALLY documented!!
!
This ALL becomes YOUR PROBLEM---not mine!!
Clay

Garden City, MI

#429487 Mar 24, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
<quoted text>It has been brought up when the reformation come about as to wether the protestants should have come out of her the RCC and went back to the Orthodox. However the importantant thing as it was written to come out of her. Under the anti-christ system with the false prophetat it's head the Pope.
Its sad how you guys don't know how to read the Bible- particularly the Book of Revelation. In your bold pride, you add to John's prophecy with disregard to your soul despite his clear warning what will happen to you.

You guys gave the Church the title 'Roman' Catholic. Then you turn around and say its the 'Roman' Catholic Church and NOT the Roman Empire that John Prophecized!! www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_ (term)#section_2

Well Mr. Koresh, you screwed up. Pagan Rome is what the Book of Revelation is about and you know it.
What are you going to do now? Continue playing with fire and ignore it?
Of course you are. Stupid is as stupid does

Next time you come across a verse warning you of hell if you add to the prophecy, don't be so stupid to ignore it.

“unintelligible ”

Since: Mar 13

Gobi Desert, Outer Mongolia

#429488 Mar 24, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Its sad how you guys don't know how to read the Bible- particularly the Book of Revelation. In your bold pride, you add to John's prophecy with disregard to your soul despite his clear warning what will happen to you.
You guys gave the Church the title 'Roman' Catholic. Then you turn around and say its the 'Roman' Catholic Church and NOT the Roman Empire that John Prophecized!! www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_ (term)#section_2
Well Mr. Koresh, you screwed up. Pagan Rome is what the Book of Revelation is about and you know it.
What are you going to do now? Continue playing with fire and ignore it?
Of course you are. Stupid is as stupid does
Next time you come across a verse warning you of hell if you add to the prophecy, don't be so stupid to ignore it.
Nope.
How random!
Try again.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#429489 Mar 24, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Its sad how you guys don't know how to read the Bible- particularly the Book of Revelation. In your bold pride, you add to John's prophecy with disregard to your soul despite his clear warning what will happen to you.
You guys gave the Church the title 'Roman' Catholic. Then you turn around and say its the 'Roman' Catholic Church and NOT the Roman Empire that John Prophecized!! www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_ (term)#section_2
Well Mr. Koresh, you screwed up. Pagan Rome is what the Book of Revelation is about and you know it.
What are you going to do now? Continue playing with fire and ignore it?
Of course you are. Stupid is as stupid does
Next time you come across a verse warning you of hell if you add to the prophecy, don't be so stupid to ignore it.
You are the cult member of the Little Horn that come out of the Roman Empire.
Clay

Garden City, MI

#429490 Mar 24, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
<quoted text>You are the cult member of the Little Horn that come out of the Roman Empire.
Apparently you're so sure of this, that you'll risk Hell for teaching it. That's about as bold as undoing the Sunday Mass that the Apostles taught.
Your founder Ellen, thought she uncovered the secret hidden evidence when she saw the Bible for the first time. She saw Sabbath in there and voila. She taught the Roman Catholic Constantine changed the Sabbath to Sunday to coincide with the Sun god.
Of course we now know it to be a bunch of hysteric lies as well as her assertion that the Book of Revelation is talking about the Catholic Church.

This is your faith Mr. 7th, built on lies. And rather than turn from this wicked cult, you've decided to go 'all in' with them. It make no sense to hang on to this crap you been taught. You've been shown to be in error. Don't let pride be your demise.
truth

Bassendean, Australia

#429492 Mar 24, 2013
jehtrica
they read i know
who
who is on my place
what you will do if someone use you ..your indetity name and soul..

please explain soul which can't past away..

nooo jehtro is not everything true that god love us..
i am not to much now but someone liked on front posess everything as they could
posessors is not god ..posessors liked be bigger then god o yes they calling themself as god

in matrix is so long evil
Tiger Lily

Auckland, New Zealand

#429493 Mar 24, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently you're so sure of this, that you'll risk Hell for teaching it. That's about as bold as undoing the Sunday Mass that the Apostles taught.
Your founder Ellen, thought she uncovered the secret hidden evidence when she saw the Bible for the first time. She saw Sabbath in there and voila. She taught the Roman Catholic Constantine changed the Sabbath to Sunday to coincide with the Sun god.
Of course we now know it to be a bunch of hysteric lies as well as her assertion that the Book of Revelation is talking about the Catholic Church.
This is your faith Mr. 7th, built on lies. And rather than turn from this wicked cult, you've decided to go 'all in' with them. It make no sense to hang on to this crap you been taught. You've been shown to be in error. Don't let pride be your demise.
Really Clay? Then there would be a record in Scripture of the apostles keeping Sunday. There isn't. They never knew what a mass was. They celebrated the Last Supper. Not a mass ... far from it. No candles or bells. No altar.
I suggest the RCC is concocted on tradition fables and lies.
BTW, many other well known people also see the RCC in Revelation.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#429494 Mar 24, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
No, you are doing just what I said. You seem quite certain that abuse in the church is greater than anywhere else. I am sure you have the actual facts that the Church is the worst. lol All evidence points to the contrary.
You are slinging the accusations. Im not going to go over it again and this one did this and that. That is your way. We have and are dealing with it.
Independent studies and reforms were initiated as I said. As they continue as I said more darkness will likely come to light. Pope Benedict and Bishops did acknowledge it. Bishop Dolan harshly criticized fellow Bishops as have priests, as have lay people and apologists.
I referred to the Protestants who say we have no problem. We never covered up. We dont have any homosexuals. What a crock! I condoned those protestants and Orthodox who don't point fingers and deny their issues. In one breathe you say you are not in that camp then you make wild claims that the Church is the worst of all.
We can all do more, but your method of resolving the issue is to trash on the Church with unfounded allegation. Im done with playing tit for tat. I and other catholics have sufficiently proven your statement is false.
Sadly you wish to continue in the your church has more routine. I will choose the Orthodox and Protestants who work to find the best solution to prevent it as much as possible and weed out offendors. We are not justifying it nor does any Catholic want their child to be abused or condone it.
I do not wish to trash your Church. I believe in my heart that this illness in your church has not been sufficiently addressed. Thie does not reflect on your Church's deposit of faith or the Truth is presents.I believe that the real enemy of your Church is whatever is driving this illness.
I base my belief on many many years of working with offenders, victims, families and institutions.To say someone or some institution has a sickness is not to trash it but to try to help it. My heartfelt belief is, yes , the Catholic Curch has this problem of abuse and cover up more than others.

Since: Dec 11

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#429495 Mar 24, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
All I know, is that history shows the Orthodox being united with The Bishop of Rome until the schism.
The Papacy is documented in every decade since Peter.
Pope Clement wrote authoritatively to the Churches and they listened to him. This was done while some of the Apostle were still alive.
I'm assuming the Church in the East would also have listened to Rome if any disputes erupted. Perhaps this is why the remarkable similarities between the two Churches exist today, 2,000 yrs later.
Plus, Herm, any group of people need one leader. Whether its a coach on a football team or a Bishop. Jesus Christ did the responsible thing by leaving someone in charge of the day to day operations of His Church, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I would have done the same thing. One Bishop; One Faith; One fold.
Christ's blessings on you and your Church
Bob

Sarasota, FL

#429496 Mar 24, 2013
All of us Christians should face the historical fact that the Church began in the East as Orthodox.Jesus was born inthe East and He died in the East. All of the Apostles were from the East and the Ten Comandment were received in the East. The Orthodox church was the beginning of the formal Church. If you study the historical time line of the formal churches{various religions} you will note that all of t
hese are missionary off-shuts of Eastern Orthodoxy.
However what is importnat is for us to Believe in our Lords teachings. So Be It!!!!
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#429497 Mar 24, 2013
_Olive__The__Gullible_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope.
How random!
Try again.
What? You couldn't click once or twice to find it? lol

Try this

wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_ (term)
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#429499 Mar 24, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
All I know, is that history shows the Orthodox being united with The Bishop of Rome until the schism.
The Papacy is documented in every decade since Peter.
Pope Clement wrote authoritatively to the Churches and they listened to him. This was done while some of the Apostle were still alive.
I'm assuming the Church in the East would also have listened to Rome if any disputes erupted. Perhaps this is why the remarkable similarities between the two Churches exist today, 2,000 yrs later.
Plus, Herm, any group of people need one leader. Whether its a coach on a football team or a Bishop. Jesus Christ did the responsible thing by leaving someone in charge of the day to day operations of His Church, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I would have done the same thing. One Bishop; One Faith; One fold.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#429500 Mar 24, 2013
alessandro alfieri wrote:
<quoted text>
Just admonishing the sinner. It's one of the spiritual works of mercy. I'm not sure God hears the prayers of the unrepentant so maybe you should go to confession before you try praying for anyone else. Time to go before you drag me down with you.
And what makes you think you are better than me? Ever hear of pride? If indeed you are so worried about (me dragging you down in sin)then do not reply to any of my post.It was you that first attacked me....I will still pray for you...remember what Jesus said"he who is without sin cast the first stone"

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