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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 654091 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Free Mind

Saint Petersburg, FL

#429331 Mar 23, 2013
darrel wrote:
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I agree as Catholics and Protastents we need to furter the cause of Christ togther. But I dont see the Catholic Church honoring Hitler in that way and I am sure if you were being honest you would agree.
Read more carefully.

IF Hitler had won the war, history tells us what the RCC would have done.

History shows us clearly that it has had no problem setting morals aside in order to make nice with tyrants.
Free Mind

Saint Petersburg, FL

#429332 Mar 23, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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Hang in there!!! Exercise your God-given tight to refuse to accept the truth...bring ice water...fans...
You HOPE that I and others who don't agree with your narrow, mystical views will suffer for all eternity.

What a silly, small-minded view of the creator of the entire universe!

God did not create a large ant farm. You should get out and see the world. It's much bigger and more diverse than you can image from your basement.

Since: Feb 12

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#429333 Mar 23, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>I have no lies and no attacks towards the Orthodox Church. If you truly been following this forum you'd know.
My response was to an Orthodox gal yesterday that trashed the CC. So my response was reminding her of certain errors. Orthodoxy is beautiful and legit. You guys have validly ordained Priest and Bishops because you also came from the Apostles. The Holy Mass and Eucharist is true in your Church because of your Priests and Bishops.
My concern is how certain Churches in Orthodoxy have been made into products of the state. Nothing can be more apparent in this then what happened with the Soviet Union and the Eastern Churches.
Now I realize Catholic Bishops and Priests have also been guilty of siding with the state from which they resided instead of the Church. But overall, the CC is still the CC. And those Bishops who put politics first and the Church second, acted outside of the Authority of the Bishop of Rome.
But the Orthodox don't see an error with being Orthodox/Russian; Orthodox/Ukrainian etc.
Also, history does show the Orthodox acknowledging the Authority of the Bishop of Rome until the Great Schism, when they decided they didn't need a Pope.(But ironically split into many different 'Popes' know as Patriarchs).
But you're right, the Orthodox Mass and traditions are very pure. Probably more in line with original Apostolic practices. Whereas, the Catholic Mass and traditions changed in certain areas, but NOT in substance, only in methods and appearance.
AND ...sexual abuse is in no way more rampant in the CC than in yours. Period!!.
So it was a cheap shot of you to imply otherwise; you didn't use good judgement.
If the sexual abuse is"no more rampant in the CC church than in mine"then why dont you hear about the Orthodox Church in such turmoil as we hear about the CC?? Why is the CC church in the news everyday with abuses??....The Bishop of rome was recognized as FIRST AMOUNG EQUALS,and had the title of respect but not authority...all the Patriarch were equal....To call the Patriarchs Popes shows a striking ignorance of their role. I did not see that orthodox gal disrespecting the Catholic church..so please show me.Each has a vote equal to a Bishop.And by the way...I always show good judgement because I have nothing to hide....

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#429334 Mar 23, 2013
darrel wrote:
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Islam ivated christian countries throughout history , north Aferica were Chistian contries who were forced to become Muslum.Did God aprove of Hitler snd our war with him.I the dark ages Islam marched all the way to Franch, should we not fought them of or sould we have just been force to become Muslim.
Muslums are not claiming to be THE TRUE CHURCH FOUNDED BY JESUS CHRIST AS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS CLAIMING.Huge Differance my friend!
Free Mind

Saint Petersburg, FL

#429335 Mar 23, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>I have no lies and no attacks towards the Orthodox Church. If you truly been following this forum you'd know.
My response was to an Orthodox gal yesterday that trashed the CC. So my response was reminding her of certain errors. Orthodoxy is beautiful and legit. You guys have validly ordained Priest and Bishops because you also came from the Apostles. The Holy Mass and Eucharist is true in your Church because of your Priests and Bishops.
My concern is how certain Churches in Orthodoxy have been made into products of the state. Nothing can be more apparent in this then what happened with the Soviet Union and the Eastern Churches.
Now I realize Catholic Bishops and Priests have also been guilty of siding with the state from which they resided instead of the Church. But overall, the CC is still the CC. And those Bishops who put politics first and the Church second, acted outside of the Authority of the Bishop of Rome.
But the Orthodox don't see an error with being Orthodox/Russian; Orthodox/Ukrainian etc.
Also, history does show the Orthodox acknowledging the Authority of the Bishop of Rome until the Great Schism, when they decided they didn't need a Pope.(But ironically split into many different 'Popes' know as Patriarchs).
But you're right, the Orthodox Mass and traditions are very pure. Probably more in line with original Apostolic practices. Whereas, the Catholic Mass and traditions changed in certain areas, but NOT in substance, only in methods and appearance.
AND ...sexual abuse is in no way more rampant in the CC than in yours. Period!!.
So it was a cheap shot of you to imply otherwise; you didn't use good judgement.
Clay, instead of constantly posting in error, why not actually use your time to learn the actual history of your church.

Pope Gregory 1st....

"I say it without the least hesitation, whoever calls himself the universal bishop, or desires this title, is, by his pride, the precursor of Antichrist, because he thus attempts to raise himself above the others."
socci

Plattsburg, MO

#429336 Mar 23, 2013

The Biblical Uncovering of the Pope and Papacy

http://youtu.be/_W3StCj6osE
With ex-priest Richard Bennet
Free Mind

Saint Petersburg, FL

#429337 Mar 23, 2013
One "infallible" Pope says that the concept of papal primacy is satanic.

Per Pope Gregory 1st (aka Gregory the Great)...

"The error into which he falls springs from pride equal to that of Antichrist; for as that Wicked One wished to be regarded as exalted above other men, like a god, so likewise whoever would be called sole bishop exalteth himself above others."

Since: Feb 12

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#429338 Mar 23, 2013
darrel wrote:
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Tell me were are the bones of Mary what is your answer to "scripture alone and faith alone" which the Catholic church has stood alone in battaling.The Othodox are fossalized and you are in denial if you say there is no coflict between your Churches.The Othodox Church has slipped into herisy many times and turned to Rome to reistate its bishops and to mediate disputes.Each Church has to claim it is the only true Church and/or its interpretation of the bible is the only true one.Usually at the expense of the Catholic Church. StIrenaeus says "with that Church(Rome) all churche must agree" it is the Catholic Church that has maintained authority.I believe the Caholic and Othordox are ment to be togther and the statements now being developed, made by both our Bishops, are the rightful authorities to make official desisions. That inclueds the statements I have made, I can mud sling with the best of them but that is pride and sinful. I love my Othodox Brothers and sisters and pray for unity , we are togethr the true church and our elders will work it out in love and respect.
You tell me...where are the bones of Mary? lol....you have no clue what the Orthodox faith believes.And yes there are some orthodox churches that have gone under your Pope.There are many Orthodox that will refuse to join with the Catholic Church and will remain True Orthodox...
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#429339 Mar 23, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>my hate for the church is strictly child abuse cover-ups,denials and lies,and their false statement of being gods/jesus' true church.other than that i have no problem with the church that is going down the tubes thanks to their own handy work.I do not dis-like catholic people most are catholic in name only it means nothing to them,they were just born into a catholic family that's all.if what a post is wrong how come you post nothing that refutes it?? you just babble on the same old message a 1000 times over,never no true historical facts or anything.try posting something worth reading for once.
Look it up yourself!!! I'm not going to "waste my time" discussing Historical and Biblically DOCUMENTED TRUTHS, that I know (without a doubt) are TRUE and have "personally studied and investigated" for over 6 years of bible and pre-seminary theology.......... It is a (total waste of time) better spent at Daily Mass, the Eucharist and praying for heretical "editorialist" "fundies" like you who have a pre-determined anti-catholic agenda..... I've given you ALL the sources of TRUE CHURCH HISTORY that are necessary to "lift you out of the doldrums" of your "fictitious" Church History book "legends" that are just more of the "same old Protestant propaganda"!!
Free Mind

Saint Petersburg, FL

#429340 Mar 23, 2013
Gen 17:19... And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.

Doesn't God's "everlasting covenant" mean the OT Laws are still binding?

Or does God lie?
socci

Plattsburg, MO

#429341 Mar 23, 2013
darrel wrote:
When Hitler was in power the Catholic Church opposed him ,you can read Catholic documernts during that era , it save more Jews then any other country , the pope was thanked by Isreal fo his help. I the pope to day said Islam and Mohomad was false and he was a false profit thouhands of Christians would be killed and that was the same delema the church had back then many Jews and priests would be killed .These are also facts.

That's the History Channel version, but the facts do not support this. It was the Catholic Centre Party who put the Nazi Party in power, at the direction of the Vatican's prelates.

The Nazis were founded by the Vatican's Teutonic Knights. These are occultists like the Templars.

Priests were found running concentration camps and mass-murdering the Serbs in Yugoslavia, force converting over 250,000.

The first act of war by the Catholic Nazis was against the Protestants of Prussia:
http://archive.org/details/VaticansHolocaust

darrel wrote:
I agree as Catholics and Protastents we need to furter the cause of Christ togther. But I dont see the Catholic Church honoring Hitler in that way and I am sure if you were being honest you would agree.

Another Knight of Christ (Templar), the king of Spain had this to say about Adolf:

"Adolf Hitler, son of the Catholic Church, died while defending Christianity. It is therefore understandable that words cannot be found to lament over his death, when so many were found to exalt his life. Over his mortal remains stands his victorious moral figure. With the palm of the martyr, God gives Hitler the laurels of Victory".-Spanish dictator (Francisco Franco, Knight of the Order of Christ) published on the 3rd of May 1945, the day of Hitler's death.("Reforme", 21st of July 1945.)
www.spirituallysmart.com/nazi.html


The Knights of Columbus and others today continue to run the US Gov waging war around the world for their bloody pope in Rome. The Jesuit professor Leon Panetta runs the Pentagon!

The Vatican is more violent that the Muslims. We need neither of these two most violent religions. Rome actually created Islam in the 7th century for this very global jihad/crusade. Rome does not spread Christianity.

The US dollar says "In God We Trust" put there by the KoC rightfully it reads in the pope we trust as they wage crusades around the world, and at home in total control of the Dept Homeland Security.
socci

Plattsburg, MO

#429342 Mar 23, 2013
..and it's PROTESTant.
socci

Plattsburg, MO

#429343 Mar 23, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
You tell me...where are the bones of Mary? lol....you have no clue what the Orthodox faith believes.And yes there are some orthodox churches that have gone under your Pope.There are many Orthodox that will refuse to join with the Catholic Church and will remain True Orthodox...

You are both ROMAN in founded deed and doctrine whether you directly accept pope or not.

The Orthodox were founded by Rome as a schism or split at the time of Constantine who founded the Orthodox's Constantinople.

The Biblical prophecy confirms Rome has two legs east & west -- both part of the roman beast.(Daniel 2)

www.godssabbathtruth.com/charts.html

more here..

www.who-is-the-antichrist.org
Free Mind

Saint Petersburg, FL

#429344 Mar 23, 2013
Jesus denies his mother and siblings....

Matthew.... 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?

12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
socci

Plattsburg, MO

#429345 Mar 23, 2013

The Four kingdoms of Daniel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_kingdoms_of...


The fourth beast - Roman Empire - had ten horns (Dn 7). Three of the horns were plucked up when the little horn came up. This was the fall of the Roman Empire and rise of Papal Rome.

The "'horns' we are told are kings (Dn 7:24). Kings rule over nations. When papal Rome came up after the fall of pagan Rome (476) there were ten nations of Europe. Three were defeated and extinct to this day. They were:

1. Anglo-Saxons-English
2. Franks-French
3. Allemans-Germany
4. Burgundians-Swiss
5. Visigoths-Spain
6. Suevi-Portugal
7. Lombards-Italy
8. Vandals-extinct
9. Heruli-extinct
10. Ostrogoths-extinct


"Catholic emperors of the eastern empire found ways to help the pope by eliminating three of the Arian tribes. The Catholic emperor Zeno (474 to 491) arranged a treaty with the Ostrogoths in 487 which resulted in the eradication of the kingdom of the Arian Heurls in 493. And the Catholic emperor Justinian (527 to 565) exterminated the Arian Vandals in 534 and significantly broke the power of the Arian Ostrogoths in 538. Thus were Daniels three horns the Heuels, the Vandals, and the Ostrogoths plucked up by the roots." (C. Mervyn Maxwell, God Cares, vol.1, Daniel, p.129, Pacific Press Publishing Association, 1981.)
www.historicism.com/misc/tenhorns.htm


Then we are told this new religious "horn" would rule for "time times and half" or 42 month or 1260 days (Dn 7:23-25).

Prophetic time is always day = year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-year_princip...


Only one empire has ever ruled for that long. The 1260 years have been identified when Rome's Empire fell in 476 AD and 'holy' Rome arose ruling from 538 to 1798 when Napoleon ended the Papal States with a deadly "wound".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_states
(538 to 1798)
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3082/2880335909...

Free Mind

Saint Petersburg, FL

#429346 Mar 23, 2013
socci wrote:
<quoted text>
That's the History Channel version, but the facts do not support this. It was the Catholic Centre Party who put the Nazi Party in power, at the direction of the Vatican's prelates.
The Nazis were founded by the Vatican's Teutonic Knights. These are occultists like the Templars.
Priests were found running concentration camps and mass-murdering the Serbs in Yugoslavia, force converting over 250,000.
The first act of war by the Catholic Nazis was against the Protestants of Prussia:
http://archive.org/details/VaticansHolocaust
<quoted text>
Another Knight of Christ (Templar), the king of Spain had this to say about Adolf:
"Adolf Hitler, son of the Catholic Church, died while defending Christianity. It is therefore understandable that words cannot be found to lament over his death, when so many were found to exalt his life. Over his mortal remains stands his victorious moral figure. With the palm of the martyr, God gives Hitler the laurels of Victory".-Spanish dictator (Francisco Franco, Knight of the Order of Christ) published on the 3rd of May 1945, the day of Hitler's death.("Reforme", 21st of July 1945.)
www.spirituallysmart.com/nazi.html
The Knights of Columbus and others today continue to run the US Gov waging war around the world for their bloody pope in Rome. The Jesuit professor Leon Panetta runs the Pentagon!
The Vatican is more violent that the Muslims. We need neither of these two most violent religions. Rome actually created Islam in the 7th century for this very global jihad/crusade. Rome does not spread Christianity.
The US dollar says "In God We Trust" put there by the KoC rightfully it reads in the pope we trust as they wage crusades around the world, and at home in total control of the Dept Homeland Security.
Thank you, it all makes perfect sense now.
Free Mind

Saint Petersburg, FL

#429347 Mar 23, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Look it up yourself!!! I'm not going to "waste my time" discussing Historical and Biblically DOCUMENTED TRUTHS, that I know (without a doubt) are TRUE and have "personally studied and investigated" for over 6 years of bible and pre-seminary theology.......... It is a (total waste of time) better spent at Daily Mass, the Eucharist and praying for heretical "editorialist" "fundies" like you who have a pre-determined anti-catholic agenda..... I've given you ALL the sources of TRUE CHURCH HISTORY that are necessary to "lift you out of the doldrums" of your "fictitious" Church History book "legends" that are just more of the "same old Protestant propaganda"!!
This guy must be the leader of the world domination plot.

It's all coming together.
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#429348 Mar 23, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Clay, instead of constantly posting in error, why not actually use your time to learn the actual history of your church.
Pope Gregory 1st....
"I say it without the least hesitation, whoever calls himself the universal bishop, or desires this title, is, by his pride, the precursor of Antichrist, because he thus attempts to raise himself above the others."
objection or charge made is that Pope Gregory was denying his own papal authority as visible head of the Church in rejecting the term "universal bishop." This is a reply to that common charge from three sources: Radio Replies by Fathers Rumble/Carty (from the 1930s), This Rock magazine (Dec 1992), and an older book on Gregory the Great by F. Homes Dudden (originally 1905). These sources show this particular charge has been around a while, and it is indeed a Protestant myth with no validity.

The main question that should be asked in considering what I'll call the "universal bishop" controversy is: What did Gregory the Great precisely mean by the terms "universal" and "universal bishop" in his letters to the Patriarch of Constantinople? Evangelical apologists do not stop to ask that question, nor have they done much research into Pope Gregory's actual writings which are full of his claims to papal authority and universal jurisdiction. If he really was denying his own papal authority (as asserted above by Geisler/MacKenzie and Brown), why would such an eminent Protestant (Anglican) scholar as J.N.D. Kelly write that Gregory I

"was indefatigable...in upholding the Roman primacy, and successfully maintained Rome's appellate jurisdiction in the east....Gregory argued that St. Peter's commission [e.g. in Matthew 16:18f] made all churches, Constantinople included, subject to Rome" (The Oxford Dictionary of Popes, page 67).

http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/num7.htm
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#429349 Mar 23, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>If the sexual abuse is"no more rampant in the CC church than in mine"then why dont you hear about the Orthodox Church in such turmoil as we hear about the CC??..
In our Take Action section, you were challenged to use this website to bring the issue of abuse into the light. Often times, you may hear people say that 'Abuse is unknown in the Orthodox Church!' or 'We may have problems, but we never move abusers around the way that the Catholics do.' This section provides the materials that can be used to teach the Orthodox both that abuse occurs, and that we have no right to point any fingers at our Roman brethren. In addition, we provide references to other groups that are working to help restore accountability in the Church. Finally, we provide information about what the different jurisdictions are doing to alleviate abuse and minister to victims, and who to contact if you want to see more done.

http://www.pokrov.org/displays.asp...
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#429350 Mar 23, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>Greetings Confrinting...one correction if I may. The Orthodox Church does not believe in the imaculate conception.However we do venerate Mary.Also we do not believe in the assumption of Mary.We believe in the Dormition of Mary.
Whether we use "dormition" or "assumption," the fundamental belief remains the same. The Catechism, quoting the Byzantine Liturgy, states, "The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son's resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians:'In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death'" (No. 966).

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