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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 679024 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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4GVN

Jackson, MO

#429112 Mar 21, 2013
Pope Alexander's Banquet of Chestnuts in 1501 was served by 50 whores. Prizes were awarded to those who had the most sex.
Is this your 'Holy Catholic Church' HOJO?
Was this the Vicar of Christ?
Was this the man chosen by God to lead the worlds Catholics, CLAY?
We can only hope that no one followed his lead.
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#429113 Mar 21, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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And.....
Ge 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Ge 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
How much time elapsed from Ge 1:1 and Ge 1:5?????!!!

Oxbow, It reads seven literal 24 hr days. The 7th day God rested creating the Sabbath.

The genealogies are given so we can find the line Jesus would come from, but can also be used to count the aprox date of creation.

Here's an article why..

How long were the days of Genesis?

http://creation.com/how-long-were-the-days-of...

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#429114 Mar 21, 2013
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4GVN wrote:
Pope Alexander's Banquet of Chestnuts in 1501 was served by 50 whores. Prizes were awarded to those who had the most sex.
Is this your 'Holy Catholic Church' HOJO?
Was this the Vicar of Christ?
Was this the man chosen by God to lead the worlds Catholics, CLAY?
We can only hope that no one followed his lead.
Indeed!!! At least they used honest prostitutes!!!!

History

The banquet was given in Cesare's apartments in the Palazzo Apostolico. Fifty prostitutes or courtesans were in attendance for the entertainment of the banquet guests. Burchard describes the scene in his Diary:

On the evening of the last day of October, 1501, Cesare Borgia arranged a banquet in his chambers in the Vatican with "fifty honest prostitutes", called courtesans, who danced after dinner with the attendants and others who were present, at first in their garments, then naked. After dinner the candelabra with the burning candles were taken from the tables and placed on the floor, and chestnuts were strewn around, which the naked courtesans picked up, creeping on hands and knees between the chandeliers, while the Pope, Cesare, and his sister Lucretia looked on. Finally, prizes were announced for those who could perform the act most often with the courtesans, such as tunics of silk, shoes, barrets, and other things.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#429115 Mar 21, 2013
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socci wrote:
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Oxbow, It reads seven literal 24 hr days. The 7th day God rested creating the Sabbath.
The genealogies are given so we can find the line Jesus would come from, but can also be used to count the aprox date of creation.
Here's an article why..
How long were the days of Genesis?
http://creation.com/how-long-were-the-days-of...
Nay nay!!! Ge 1:1 was not the first day of the seven day Creation.....

Look: Ge 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

The first day was not created until Ge 1:5...

I am asking how long in time from Ge 1:1 and the first day of the seven day creation (Ge 1:5)...My question has nothing to do with the length of day!!!!!!

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#429116 Mar 21, 2013
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socci wrote:
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Oxbow, It reads seven literal 24 hr days. The 7th day God rested creating the Sabbath.
The genealogies are given so we can find the line Jesus would come from, but can also be used to count the aprox date of creation.
Here's an article why..
How long were the days of Genesis?
http://creation.com/how-long-were-the-days-of...
You said "The genealogies are given so we can find the line Jesus would come from, but can also be used to count the aprox date of creation."

You are far...far...way yonder off base!!! Here is the record of God Creating Heaven and earth: Ge 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

I am asking how long after He Created Heaven and earth did He create "day".....in Ge 1:5.....
guest

United States

#429117 Mar 21, 2013
Clay wrote:
That's an interesting question not discussed a whole lot on here.
I'm guessing they have to believe the Earth is 5,000 or 10,000 yrs old to subscribe to sola scriptura. If they believe its millions of yrs old, then their going against the Bible! wow, what a pickle.
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If you understood E=mc^2 you'd understand that the answer is BOTH. and I'm not pickled literally or figuratively.
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and it's BILLIONS not millions.
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God in his infinite wisdom allowed man to discover the calculus and the physics necessary to explain the universe and the *big bang*.
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Einstein's law of relativity has proven that *time* is 'relative' to where you are as it is occurring. If you are on a space ship traveling through space, time is compressed compared to time here on earth. and since we were not here during the first 5 'days' and we can't measure that time. but more than that we don't know exactly how fast the universe was expanding at that time... the faster it was expanding ... the slower the time for man but we weren't here, until day 5. after man was created then we started counting time with 'man's' reference rather than God's reference.
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God's reference to time is far different from ours.

I just found this video, I hope it helps:
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#429118 Mar 21, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
You said "The genealogies are given so we can find the line Jesus would come from, but can also be used to count the aprox date of creation."
You are far...far...way yonder off base!!! Here is the record of God Creating Heaven and earth: Ge 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
I am asking how long after He Created Heaven and earth did He create "day".....in Ge 1:5.....

Im not way off anything you are. Day one is just what it says, day one. Gen 1:1-5 is day one.

The gap theory between Gen 1:1 and 1:2 was introduced into the seminaries by the Scofield Bible.

To believe it you would also not believe the global flood? Jesus and Peter both said there was a global flood. Noah and seven others were the survivors.

Many scientists continue to find the evidence supports the Biblical account of the age of the entire universe to be circa 6000yo.
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#429119 Mar 21, 2013
guest wrote:
If you understood E=mc^2 you'd understand that the answer is BOTH. and I'm not pickled literally or figuratively.
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and it's BILLIONS not millions.
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God in his infinite wisdom allowed man to discover the calculus and the physics necessary to explain the universe and the *big bang*.
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Einstein's law of relativity has proven that *time* is 'relative' to where you are as it is occurring. If you are on a space ship traveling through space, time is compressed compared to time here on earth. and since we were not here during the first 5 'days' and we can't measure that time. but more than that we don't know exactly how fast the universe was expanding at that time... the faster it was expanding ... the slower the time for man but we weren't here, until day 5. after man was created then we started counting time with 'man's' reference rather than God's reference.
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God's reference to time is far different from ours.
I just found this video, I hope it helps:
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There are a few problems with all that.

Einstein never really invented anything. The theory existed before. Anyway, it is just a theory. However Newton's Laws on Gravity were lab tested and observed. Newton's laws were set aside in favor of Einstien's theory to support the Jesuit's big bang theory and bazzillions of fictional years.

We are told God created Adam and Eve fully grown. Trees and creatures were created all fully mature. The stars and light were made fully visible on the fourth day. But can we date the event with empirical observations?

Supernovas are observed and numbered all with a size that does not allow billions or millions of years.
http://creation.com/exploding-stars-point-to-...


Back here on planet earth the baserock granites claimed to be an igneous rock from when the earth was a molten mass - in accordance with big bangism - is proven in the lab to not be the case at all. Granite cannot be heated to a molten state, recooled, and remain a crystal inter-mix mineral. There are also halos proving granite formed in less than 3 min.
www.halos.com/reports/science-1974-perspectiv...
www.youtube.com/watch...
guest

United States

#429120 Mar 21, 2013
guest wrote:
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Which statement is 100% TRUE:
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Jesus said, "Call No Man Father."
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Jesus said, "Call Priests, Bishops, Cardinals, and Pope Father."
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hojo wrote:
You have had this explained to you "fundies" over and over again
(many times), by Regina so here is in again!
A.
Catholics call their priests "Father" because in
all matters pertaining to Christ's holy faith they
perform the duties of a father, representing God.

The priest is the agent of the Christian's
supernatural birth and sustenance in the world.

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... <clipped>

The title of
"Father" is entirely proper for an ordained priest
of Jesus Christ.
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and THIS is EXACTLY why Jesus said DO NOT CALL ANY MAN FATHER!
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The priest does NOT *represent* GOD. That is blasphemy!
The priest does NOT have the authority to act or speak for God. That, too, is blasphemy! ONLY Jesus is God's representative.
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represent |&#716;repri&#712;zent |
verb [ trans.]
1 be entitled or appointed to act or speak for (someone), esp. in an official capacity : for purposes of

Since: Nov 08

usa

#429121 Mar 22, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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By now, you should have realized, that this "bet" exercise was to prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that your ability to read and understand, displays an IQ somewhere in the low to medium 20s!!!!!
Show me where I ever placed a bet with you on the farm!!!!
Quote: I would be willing to bet the farm that you don't even know what day of the week this is!!!!!!
you state you'd be willing to bet the farm,so i took you up on that bet,and I WON! i'll settle for $50,000. and you can keep the farm.
guest

United States

#429122 Mar 22, 2013
socci wrote:
<quoted text>
There are a few problems with all that.
Einstein never really invented anything. The theory existed before. Anyway, it is just a theory. However Newton's Laws on Gravity were lab tested and observed. Newton's laws were set aside in favor of Einstien's theory to support the Jesuit's big bang theory and bazzillions of fictional years.
We are told God created Adam and Eve fully grown. Trees and creatures were created all fully mature. The stars and light were made fully visible on the fourth day. But can we date the event with empirical observations?
Supernovas are observed and numbered all with a size that does not allow billions or millions of years.
http://creation.com/exploding-stars-point-to-...
Back here on planet earth the baserock granites claimed to be an igneous rock from when the earth was a molten mass - in accordance with big bangism - is proven in the lab to not be the case at all. Granite cannot be heated to a molten state, recooled, and remain a crystal inter-mix mineral. There are also halos proving granite formed in less than 3 min.
www.halos.com/reports/science-1974-perspectiv...
www.youtube.com/watch...
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we've had this discussion before.
I have debunked you.
for a "lab" experiment, such as this, to be accurate, it would have to have ALL THE ELEMENTS of what occurred in nature. Since we don't have the entire spectrum of atoms present on earth, or the billions of years necessary to *recreate* the actual experiment, we cannot repeat the experiment in any "lab". Indeed, we would need an entire universe to do that.

here's a link to the counter-argument:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/po-halos/gent...

Summary/Conclusions

Gentry's polonium halo hypothesis for a young Earth fails, or is inconclusive for, all tests. Gentry's entire thesis is built on a compounded set of assumptions. He is unable to demonstrate that concentric haloes in mica are caused uniquely by alpha particles resulting from the decay of polonium isotopes. His samples are not from "primordial" pieces of the Earth's original crust, but from rocks which have been extensively reworked. Finally, his hypothesis cannot accommodate the many alternative lines of evidence that demonstrate a great age for the Earth. Gentry rationalizes any evidence which contradicts his hypothesis by proposing three "singularities" - one time divine interventions - over the past 6000 years. Of course, supernatural events and processes fall outside the realm of scientific investigations to address. As with the idea of variable radioactive decay rates, once Gentry moves beyond the realm of physical laws, his arguments fail to have any scientific usefulness. If divine action is necessary to fit the halo hypothesis into some consistent model of Earth history, why waste all that time trying to argue about the origins of the haloes based on current scientific theory? This is where most Creationist arguments break down when they try to adopt the language and trappings of science. Trying to prove a religious premise is itself an act of faith, not science.

In the end, Gentry's young Earth proposal, based on years of measuring discoloration haloes, is nothing more than a high-tech version of the Creationist "Omphalos" argument. This is the late nineteenth century proposition that while God created the Earth just 6,000 years ago according to the Genesis account, He made everything appear old. Unfortunately, because Gentry has published his original work on haloes in reputable scientific journals, a number of basic geology and mineralogy text books still state that microscopic discoloration haloes in mica are the result of polonium decay.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#429123 Mar 22, 2013
hojo wrote:
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NONE of us Catholics, EVER claimed "superiority" and the other Churches inferior, just because we have the papacy and a pope (as the successor of St Peter) who speaks (THE TRUTH) for the Catholic Church, for TRUE biblical interpretation and for over 1 billion Catholics Christians throughout the world.... BESIDES---, each of you Protestants have "your own individual" 42,000 bible only Popes, of whom EACH speak in "contradiction, inconsistencies and "conflicting self-interpretations of the bible,(IN DISAGREEMENT WITH EACH OTHER), as the successors to Martin Luther, who started this entire chaos of"hodge-podged" denominations and half-truth, half-heresy Christianity!!! Been there and have done that "distorted confusion" for over 35 years!! IT IS ALL YOURS!!! YOU CAN HAVE IT!!!
CBSNews.com:Pope Benedict XVI has reasserted the universal primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, approving a document released Tuesday that says Orthodox churches were defective and that other Christian denominations were not true churches,they lack something because they do not recognize the primacy of the pope — a defect, or a "wound" that harmed them, it said...JETHRO I suppose your going to call the cbs news anti-catholic to defend your church like you usually do when an news organization prints a story that puts the church in a bad light.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#429124 Mar 22, 2013
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I Love This Country!

It's The Government That Scares Me!

Since: Nov 08

usa

#429125 Mar 22, 2013
hojo wrote:
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No!! I say this because I am "not going to waste my time" discussing bible interpretation, Church History or ANY Catholic Church doctrine with bible only Protestants, atheists or agnostics that have a "pre-determined anti-catholic agenda". You go "look up (THE TRUTH) of TRUE CHURCH HISTORY and TRUE BIBLE INTERPRETATION "yourself"!!! Like I told you before--read the encyclicals, read the Catholic Catechism, read the biographical lives of the Saints, read the Apologist historian authors and writers (both Catholic and Protestant) and read TRUE CHURCH HISTORY of which you can find over 239 volumes that disprove everything you claim is true. HOWEVER--I/we as Catholics "all know that you won't read ANY of what I suggested to you"----because ---you would rather live in your "isolated world" of anti-catholic, vengeance, hostility and heresy, in which your "personal (editorialized) opinion" is--the final authority!!!!
you expect me to believe protestants are going to say the the C/P CHURCH,is the true church when more than one pope has called all churches inferior to the catholic church? i have looked up church history from both sides of the fence,and some popes did actually care about their followers,and their those who did not care sold the papacy,sold favors with-in the church, committed multiple crimes and abused their power,unless you show me a statement that reads, and upon this rock i will build "my church" and it's followers will be called Catholics,it is a false statement,there is nothing in history that supports the churches position,it's their made up history,not the bibles or the scriptures.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#429126 Mar 22, 2013
The Church that Jesus built has always called itself the Church of God. This name is found twelve times in the New Testament.this next passage that the true Church of God would never be large. Notice how Christ addresses His Church in Luke 12:32:“Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom.”For nearly 2,000 years, almost everyone has been looking in the wrong place for God’s Church. The true Church was called out of this world—out of its religions, creeds, customs, beliefs and traditions. The word translated throughout the New Testament as “church” comes from the Greek word ecclesia, meaning to be “called out”—and Christ’s Church has come out of the world. This has made it more difficult for traditional historians to locate it. Unlike historians within the Church, they simply did not know what to look for.In one of the most powerful, dramatic and profoundly important statements in the Bible, Jesus Christ declared,“I will build My Church”(Matt. 16:18). He did not say “churches,”“fellowships,”“sect s,”“denominations” or “communities of believers.” No matter how men try to place an interpretation on it, this passage speaks of a single Church—of one, undivided organization! Jesus continued,“and the gates of hell [the grave] shall not prevail against it.” He promised that His Church could never be destroyed.Jesus declared something almost none seem to believe or even know about:“But in vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men”(Matt. 15:9). In Mark’s parallel account of this statement, He continued,“Full well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your own TRADITION”(SOUND FAMILIAR?)CONTINUED
guest

United States

#429127 Mar 22, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>you expect me to believe protestants are going to say the the C/P CHURCH,is the true church when more than one pope has called all churches inferior to the catholic church? i have looked up church history from both sides of the fence,and some popes did actually care about their followers,and their those who did not care sold the papacy,sold favors with-in the church, committed multiple crimes and abused their power,unless you show me a statement that reads, and upon this rock i will build "my church" and it's followers will be called Catholics,it is a false statement,there is nothing in history that supports the churches position,it's their made up history,not the bibles or the scriptures.
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jethro .. what is the C/P in "C/P CHURCH"?

Since: Nov 08

usa

#429128 Mar 22, 2013
Christ understood that His Church—His little flock—would be persecuted and despised by the world. Just before His crucifixion, He warned,“Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted Me, they will also persecute you”(John 15:20). In the preceding verse in the context, Jesus had reminded His disciples that “I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.” Of course, Christ was persecuted, to the point of horrible crucifixion after a night of brutal torture. Therefore, the true Church could also expect to be persecuted—and hated! Those in it are not “of the world.” The world senses this and hates them for it (Rom. 8:7). Christ used Paul to record,“Yes, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution”(II Tim. 3:12). The word “all” means what it says!How many churches can you name that are small, persecuted, not of this world—and even hated because of it? Think about those you are familiar with. Do any fit this description? Surely not many!On the night of His betrayal, Christ prayed for His Church. Here is what He said:
“Holy Father, keep through YOUR OWN NAME those whom You have given Me, that they may be one, as We are. While I was with them in the world, I kept them IN YOUR NAME...I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I pray not that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through Your truth: Your word is truth”(John 17:11-12, 14-17).CONTINUED.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#429129 Mar 22, 2013
guest wrote:
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jethro .. what is the C/P in "C/P CHURCH"?
it is the church of rome which was created by Constantine,the christian/pagan church,also known as the catholic church,if you check history books of modern day theologians,who spent ten+ years studying all religion denominations,you will see the catholic church is a combination of both religions,that is why it is not the true church,it is a creation of emperor Constantine who was pagan,but claimed to have a vision that changed his attitude towards Christians who were despised in Rome,the roman empire was quite large in his day and realized to keep both christian and pagans happy, he had to come up with an acceptable combination of the two religions,so he put together 100 scholars and put them to work to create this acceptable new religion,so they picked and chose books,most likely tweaked them to,added pagan dates for all religious holidays known today,and there you have the man made religious denomination known as catholic. which is not gods true church.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#429130 Mar 22, 2013
guest wrote:
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jethro .. what is the C/P in "C/P CHURCH"?
read the other posts i'm putting right now you might find them interesting reading.what i am posting are quotes from a group of "13" (same no. as the apostles was chosen purposely)historians from different countries/backgrounds,and these are their writings about the true church of god.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#429131 Mar 22, 2013
On the night of His betrayal, Christ prayed for His Church. Here is what He said:
“Holy Father, keep through YOUR OWN NAME those whom You have given Me, that they may be one, as We are. While I was with them in the world, I kept them IN YOUR NAME...I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I pray not that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through Your truth: Your word is truth”(John 17:11-12, 14-17).There are twelve separate places where the New Testament records that the true Church has been kept in the name of the Father—God. The first five refer to the entire Church, or Body of Christ, as a whole. The next four speak of a specific local congregation, while using the same term “Church of God.”(1) Acts 20:28: This verse is instruction to the elders to “feed THE CHURCH OF GOD.”
(2) I Corinthians 10:32:“Give none offense, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to THE CHURCH OF GOD.”
(3) I Corinthians 11:22:“...or despise you THE CHURCH OF GOD, and shame them that have not?”
(4) I Corinthians 15:9: Paul wrote the same thing to two congregations:“For...I persecuted THE CHURCH OF GOD.”
(5) Galatians 1:13:“I persecuted THE CHURCH OF GOD.”
(6) I Corinthians 1:2:“THE CHURCH OF GOD which is at Corinth.”
(7) II Corinthians 1:1:“THE CHURCH OF GOD which is at Corinth.”
(8) I Timothy 3:5: Paul references any elder in a local congregation:“For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of THE CHURCH OF GOD?”
(9) I Timothy 3:15:“...behave yourself in the house of God, which is THE CHURCH OF THE LIVING GOD.” This verse adds a descriptive word to God by using the term “living.”
(10) I Corinthians 11:16:“...We have no such custom, neither THE CHURCHES OF GOD.”
(11) I Thessalonians 2:14:“For you...became followers of THE CHURCHES OF GOD which in Judea are in Christ Jesus.”
(12) II Thessalonians 1:4:“So that we ourselves glory in you in THE CHURCHES OF GOD.”In the modern age, for corporate reasons, the Church of God may use an additional descriptive name to distinguish itself from other “Churches of God”—those merely appropriating God’s name, but not obeying His commandments, believing His true doctrines or doing His Work.continued

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