Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Read more
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#428797 Mar 19, 2013
marge wrote:
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John the Baptist, who baptized with water, said "He(Jesus), will baptize you with the holy spirit and with fire"
John said he would baptize WHO with Holy Sporit Baptism.

The Apostles were baptized in such manner, and it gave them the ability to perform miracles.

They taught baptism into Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. This baptism is not John's baptism and it is not the Baptism of the Holy Spirit the Apostles received. It is the only baptism now. It is the one Peter taught in Acts 2 and it is the one the Eunuch submitted to.

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#428798 Mar 19, 2013
774 752
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Do you know what the 2nd rule is?
Of course I do....its "Always apply the first rule wherever and whenever it is necessary"!!!!
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#428800 Mar 19, 2013
King James Version: James Chapter 4
1 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?

2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.

3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?

6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.

10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

13 Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain:

14 Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.

15 For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.

16 But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.

17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

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#428801 Mar 19, 2013
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Free Mind wrote:
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I WANT to be a natural man. What makes you want to be un-natural?
Maybe Cannibalism. Dude, how is eating your children spiritualism?
"If after this you still refuse to listen and still remain hostile toward me, then I will give full vent to my hostility. I will punish you seven times over for your sins. You will eat the flesh of your own sons and daughters .... and I will take no pleasure in your offerings of incense ...." (Leviticus)
Do un-natural men still burn incense?
:o)
You do bring the Word of God to light!!!! Quote: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#428802 Mar 19, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>how does your response have anything to do with what i posted? this don't make sense,it hurts the church,you can not defend the church because the story is true and factual so you go on one of your usual ridiculous rants and give no respectable answer.and i'm not anti-catholic,i just disagree with their false teachings,and their belief they are the true church,when it is a bold face lie,there is no evidence written anywhere in history outside of the RC/P church that it's true,if it was the whole world would know it and there would of been no reformation, Luther saw first hand what was going on and he was smart and got out,i can understand why,with all horrors the church committed over the last 2000 yrs.
The Catholic Church "doesn't need to be defended" because it's biblical and historical TRUTH, has been proven over and over and over again, in excess of over 2000 years....... There is NOTHING to discuss, NOTHING to debate, NOTHING to deliberate, NOTHING to dispute and NOTHING else to consider, when it comes to arriving at the TRUTH!! There IS only one TRUTH---NOT 42,000 bible only "contradicting---"re lative truths" that are inconsistent where "each denomination" (conflicts) with each other!...The CONDUCT of a few priests or other members of the Catholic Church"--- who have "gone against" the biblicalteachings of the Catholic Church, is NOT the determining factor as to whether or not it is the ONLY TRUE CHURCH--inistituted and formed by Jesus Christ HIMSELF...Jesus established HIS ONE TRUE UNIVERSAL CHURCH (to save sinners--of which we ALL are! So where ALL of the authors of the bible---Moses was a murderer, David was an adulterer and Paul said "I am the worst of sinners". And so, since all of the authors were "sinners" according to your "vacuum brain logic" , you Protestants propagandists, had better "throw out your bible"!!
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#428803 Mar 19, 2013
truth wrote:
i am not john..no
NO your not Johm
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#428804 Mar 19, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
TO HOJO:JOHANNESBURG (Reuters)- A South African cardinal who helped elect Pope Francis this week has told the BBC pedophilia is an illness and not a crime.
Cardinal Wilfrid Fox Napier, the Catholic Archbishop of Durban, told BBC Radio 5 on Saturday that pedophilia was a "disorder" that needed to be treated.
"From my experience," pedophilia is actually an illness. It's not a "criminal condition", it's an illness," he said.
Napier said he knew of at least two priests who became pedophiles after they were abused as children.
"Now don't tell me that those people are criminally responsible like somebody who chooses to do something like that. I don't think you can really take the position and say that person deserves to be punished. He was himself damaged."
The Catholic Church has had its image deeply tarnished by a widespread child sex abuse scandal.
Napier was one of the 115 cardinals in the Vatican conclave that elected Pope Francis on Wednesday, the BBC reported...JETHRO TRUE UNDENIABLE STORY,WHY THE MENTAL BREAKDOWN?? CAUSE IT'S TRUE AND IT HURTS THE CHURCH??? MAYBE YOU'LL FINALLY WAKE UP AND REALIZE YOUR CHURCH IS NOT WHAT YOU THINK IT IS.
Exaggerated, over-blown and taken out of context---this is just more of the same distorted anti-catholic propaganda, that you non-catholic "editorialist heretics are so "famous for"! I really "couldn't care less" as to what you think!! I KNOW the TRUTH of TRUE Church History and the TRUE INTERPRETATION of the bible by the Early Church Fathers in 397AD. Your "personal opinions" are laced with bigotry and hypocricy, with no basis of biblical or historical truth to back up ANYTHING you say!!

Since: Oct 10

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#428805 Mar 19, 2013
LTM wrote:
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NO your not Johm
Hi LTM !!

Since: Jun 10

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#428806 Mar 19, 2013
RCC origin......

Excerpt:
All of the Apostles had died by 100; therefore, direct connections to Jesus the Christ had become few and far between. The main bulk of Christianity began to slowly but surely stray from the truth, accepting too many conventions from the world around them.

A distinction was soon made between “elders” and “bishops,” with a bishop presiding over a group of elders, and from there a bishop without necessarily having the elders present.

“Bishops” of larger metropolitan areas began exercising more influence over the surrounding lands. Pagan festivals celebrating the spring equinox and the winter solstice were “Christianized” into Easter and Christmas, respectively.

Many of these developments and changes had developed throughout the second and third centuries, yet they had certainly crystallized a new denomination by 312, when the “Catholic” church received official sanction from the Roman Empire.

This entity would develop and last until 1054, when the western and eastern Mediterranean churches split, the former becoming the Roman Catholic Church, the latter, the Eastern Orthodox Church.

That being the case....there is no way the church Christ said He built was the Roman Catholic Church...It did not "make the scene" until 312!!!!!!!!
marge

Ames, IA

#428807 Mar 19, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
John said he would baptize WHO with Holy Sporit Baptism.
The Apostles were baptized in such manner, and it gave them the ability to perform miracles.
They taught baptism into Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. This baptism is not John's baptism and it is not the Baptism of the Holy Spirit the Apostles received. It is the only baptism now. It is the one Peter taught in Acts 2 and it is the one the Eunuch submitted to.
well that's what you were told by a man and even summited to...

Jesus said "you must be born-again" and the only way to do that is to get Baptized from above.

Sabanfan, if you don't have the Spirit of Jesus living in you then you are not of Him, it's All about Him and what He did, you must receive His Spirit, beg the Father in Jesus name if you have to. Blessings.

Since: Aug 12

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#428808 Mar 19, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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THEY ALREADY HAVE THEIR OWN HOLLOW DAY...
IT IS THE FIRST DAY OF APRIL...
APRIL FOOLS DAY....WHAT MORE DO THEY WANT..
Psa_14:1 . The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psa_36:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David the servant of the LORD. The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes.
Psa_53:1 A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
Sheesh! These ridiculous demands, ALL to undermine God... how absurd.

Since: Aug 12

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#428809 Mar 19, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>everything the catholic church teaches can be found in the Bible they established. You know it can because we showed you.
You simply reject it. So what? You have no authority to accept or reject anything.
OH YES WE DO. We ACCEPT God and His Word.. we REJECT YOU. And you dummies did not 'establish' the Bible. Live with it.

Since: Jun 10

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#428810 Mar 19, 2013
802
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
The Catholic Church "doesn't need to be defended" because it's biblical and historical TRUTH, has been proven over and over and over again, in excess of over 2000 years....... There is NOTHING to discuss, NOTHING to debate, NOTHING to deliberate, NOTHING to dispute and NOTHING else to consider, when it comes to arriving at the TRUTH!! There IS only one TRUTH---NOT 42,000 bible only "contradicting---"re lative truths" that are inconsistent where "each denomination" (conflicts) with each other!...The CONDUCT of a few priests or other members of the Catholic Church"--- who have "gone against" the biblicalteachings of the Catholic Church, is NOT the determining factor as to whether or not it is the ONLY TRUE CHURCH--inistituted and formed by Jesus Christ HIMSELF...Jesus established HIS ONE TRUE UNIVERSAL CHURCH (to save sinners--of which we ALL are! So where ALL of the authors of the bible---Moses was a murderer, David was an adulterer and Paul said "I am the worst of sinners". And so, since all of the authors were "sinners" according to your "vacuum brain logic" , you Protestants propagandists, had better "throw out your bible"!!
Baloney!!!!!

RCC origin......

Excerpt:
All of the Apostles had died by 100; therefore, direct connections to Jesus the Christ had become few and far between. The main bulk of Christianity began to slowly but surely stray from the truth, accepting too many conventions from the world around them.

A distinction was soon made between “elders” and “bishops,” with a bishop presiding over a group of elders, and from there a bishop without necessarily having the elders present.

“Bishops” of larger metropolitan areas began exercising more influence over the surrounding lands. Pagan festivals celebrating the spring equinox and the winter solstice were “Christianized” into Easter and Christmas, respectively.

Many of these developments and changes had developed throughout the second and third centuries, yet they had certainly crystallized a new denomination by 312, when the “Catholic” church received official sanction from the Roman Empire.

This entity would develop and last until 1054, when the western and eastern Mediterranean churches split, the former becoming the Roman Catholic Church, the latter, the Eastern Orthodox Church.

That being the case....there is no way the church Christ said He built was the Roman Catholic Church...It did not "make the scene" until 312!!!!!!!!

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#428811 Mar 19, 2013
542
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>everything the catholic church teaches can be found in the Bible they established. You know it can because we showed you.
You simply reject it. So what? You have no authority to accept or reject anything. Get in with the thousands of other self proclaimed ministers.
Absolutely pathetic!!! Delusional!!!! Asinine!!!!

Proof from Scripture:

In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture.

You need help!!!! Don't play with sharp objects or matches till help arrives!!!!
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#428812 Mar 19, 2013

The Real First Pope

The great false church system of Rome had its beginning in the day of the apostles of Christ. Unfortunately, this conflict did not go its separate way but mixed in to one religious system. This is why there are so many pagan ideas and doctrines in the Rome Catholic Church.

The first conflict between early Christianity and false religion of paganism was recorded in the book of Acts 8:9-25. This quarrel happened between a pagan high priest named Simon Magus and the apostles Peter and Philip.

The person that is mentioned and that we need to concentrate on is Simon Magus and how he transformed himself into the first leader of the false world wide religious system, the Catholic Church.

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socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#428813 Mar 19, 2013

As Hasting’s explains, "Luke’s well-known plan of describing the first meeting between Christianity and rival systems" (Hasting’s Bible Dictionary. p.498). Luke gives in detail the principal character who established the so-called Christian counterpart of the Truth in the Apostles’ days. This is the reason the Apostles in their Church letters many times mention the false system as already in existence.


Did Simon go his way after his strong rebuke for Peter? No, he did not, he considered himself to be a Christian. Several historians note this. Notice the comment of Hasting’s Dictionary of the Apostolic Church, Vol.2, p.496: "But it need NOT be supposed that when Simon broke with the Christians he renounced all he had learned. It is more probable that he carried some of the Christian ideas with him, and that he wove these into a system of his own. This system is a mixture of pagan ideas wrapped with Christian names and identities."


We further find in Schaff’s History of the Church a reference to this Simon Magus. He says: "The author, or first representative of this baptized HEATHENISM, according to the uniform testimony of Christian antiquity, is Simon Magus, who unquestionably adulterated Christianity with pagan ideas and practices, and gave himself out, in a pantheistic style for an emanation of God." (Apostolic Christianity, Vol.2, p.566)


Harnack, a church historian, states that Simon Magus "proclaimed a doctrine in which the Jewish faith was strangely and grotesquely mixed with babylonian myths, together with some Greek additions. The mysterious worship ... in consequence of the widened horizon and the deepening religious feeling, finally the wild syncretism, whose aim was a universal, all contributed to gain adherents for Simon." (Vol.1, p.244)


continues

www.remnantofgod.org/pope1.htm
Orville

Vancouver, WA

#428814 Mar 19, 2013
marge wrote:
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some of our very young ones, one that I know was two and a half when they wanted to be baptized, and many more at 5 and up, so of course they have to know about sin.


Hi Marge, children have a general sense of "right and wrong",( Biblical). But do they have a full comprehension of sin and it's repercussions at say 5 or 6?
Orville

Vancouver, WA

#428815 Mar 19, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
542
<quoted text>
Absolutely pathetic!!! Delusional!!!! Asinine!!!!
Proof from Scripture:
In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture.
You need help!!!! Don't play with sharp objects or matches till help arrives!!!!


There is no direct mention of "Popes" et. But their is incredible mention and scenarios of people, men, and groups who absolutely match what the Pope, Rome, and others will do. Thus if the shoe fit, it does.

With Ratzinger's resignation we are definitely in a very dark season. This is all Biblical.
guest

United States

#428816 Mar 20, 2013
Clay wrote:
everything the catholic church teaches can be found in the Bible they established. You know it can because we showed you.
You simply reject it. So what? You have no authority to accept or reject anything.
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The Donation of Constantine: This document supposedly came from Constantine, and it ceded the power of the western Roman Empire to the bishop of Rome. This document was officially presented to Pepin, king of France, in 754, and accepted as legitimate. For the next five hundred years, the pope used this document to effectively control western Europe. In the thirteenth century, scholars within the Roman Catholic church itself proved the document to be a forgery, composed not long before it was presented to Pepin.

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#428817 Mar 20, 2013
815 542
Orville wrote:
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There is no direct mention of "Popes" et. But their is incredible mention and scenarios of people, men, and groups who absolutely match what the Pope, Rome, and others will do. Thus if the shoe fit, it does.
With Ratzinger's resignation we are definitely in a very dark season. This is all Biblical.
You are lacking comprehension!!! Try squinting...that helps...sometimes...

Proof from Scripture:
In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture.

Show me Scripture that proves my post is error....

"Biblical"....Cathol ics favored word learned from Hollywood 101...The Ten Commandments...The Robe..Ben Hur, The Passion of Christ, etc etc...

Makes them sound authoritative (Of acknowledged accuracy or excellence; highly reliable)....

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