Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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FIGHTER for TRUTH

United States

#428423 Mar 17, 2013
To be sung to the tune of 99 bottles of Beer on the wall:

95 Theses are nailed to the door,
95 Theses are nailed,
you take one down,
and pass it around,
there's still 95 Theses nailed to the door.
95 Theses still nailed to the door,
95 Theses still nailed,
Catholics will do,
What the Pope tells them to,
and ignore all who try to tell teach the truth.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#428424 Mar 17, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
<quoted text>Rev 12 V:6
And the woman/church fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Wow. You have no regard for your soul do you?
You're deliberately thumbing your nose at the warning John gave you.
I'm surprised you can walk, 7th.
Your testicles must be the size of soccer balls.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#428425 Mar 17, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
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You can tell God (all the above) about your Church, when you stand before Him..
I am not so sure He will be impress with all of your carnal rituals and calisthenics..but evidently you intend to try .
As TRUE followers of Jesus Christ, we, as Catholics, don't need to try ANYTHING, to received Gods FULLNESS of the Faith, Blessings or Overabunding "completeness of HIS Grace....... God has know for over 2000 years, that HIS TRUE DISCIPLES are manifested in Jesus Christ, HIS son and in His (historically PROVEN) One True Apostolic Catholic Church and that "any other" Christian belief(bible only Protestantism, in particular) is "outside" and is "separated" from the TRUE FAITH and Salvation in Jesus Christ!
Robert Dye

United States

#428426 Mar 17, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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<quoted text>
Have no interest in what dead Holycrap has to say...Nothing that he says is based on Scripture...
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From Wikipedia:
"Polycarp (69 – 155)(Ancient Greek: &#928;&#959;&#955; &#973;&#954;&#945; &#961;&#960;&#959; &#962;) was a 2nd century Christian bishop of Smyrna.[1] According to the Martyrdom of Polycarp he died a martyr, bound and burned at the stake, then stabbed when the fire failed to touch him.[2] Polycarp is regarded as a saint in the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Anglican, and Lutheran churches.
It is recorded by Irenaeus, who heard him speak in his youth, and by Tertullian,[3] that he had been a disciple of John the Apostle.[4][5] Saint Jerome wrote that Polycarp was a disciple of John and that John had ordained him bishop of Smyrna."
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This man dies a martyr.
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A martyr.
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He was put to death for his faith in Jesus Christ.
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He witnessed to Christ to the point of shedding his own blood, and giving up his life.
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And you call him "HolyCrap."
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I will pray for you.
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I suspect you will need all te prayers you can get.
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Rob
guest

United States

#428427 Mar 17, 2013
guest wrote:
LOL? this isn't funny. not really.
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YOU call it HIDING BEHIND call no man father.
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I call it LISTENING TO THE GREAT TEACHER, AND OBEYING HIM.
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Jesus Christ HIMSELF said, "Call No Man Father." he meant it.
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YOUR going DIRECTLY AGAINST what Jesus said, is as private an interpretation as you can get...
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You can't possibly explain how obeying Jesus' plain and simple command is 'private interpretation'...
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while going DIRECTLY AGAINST His words, is not 'private interpretation'.
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I doubt you will even try.
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Perhaps you'd understand better if he said, "DO NOT drink the poison water."
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Then, when priests commanded you to DRINK the poison water ANYWAYS, you'd learn the reason for listening to Jesus instead.
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See? priests can lie to you straight faced and you don't believe they are lying. That is what cult leaders do. They Lie. Jesus did NOT lie.
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JESUS SAID NOT TO DO IT.
PRIESTS & POPE SAID DO IT.
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Clay wrote:
Jesus also told us to pluck out our eyes if it causes us to sin. I'm surprised you can see your keyboard.
'call no man father' wasn't a literal command. It was in reference to the scribes of the day who enjoyed and took advantage of the perks they gave themselves for being Rabbis. They were hypocrites. Christ was using something called 'hyperbole' which is an exaggeration or 'making an extravagant statement to get your point across.
When the Apostle Paul called Timothy 'my Son' you can be sure as the sky is blue, that Timothy in turn, called Paul 'father'. This is the language, guest. It would have been disrespectful for Timothy to not call Paul 'father' when Paul called him son.
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Oh please! Hyperbole? "Pluck out your eye," is an OBVIOUS exaggeration and used in context with OTHER OBVIOUS EXAGGERATIONS
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In CONTEXT - we can easily see that the IMMEDIATE context is utterly peppered with ADDITIONAL HYPERBOLIC ILLUSTRATION; the hyperbole is quite apparent:
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http://niv.scripturetext.com/mark/9.htm
Mark 9:
42 “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them if a large MILLSTONE were HUNG AROUND THEIR NECK and they were THROWN INTO THE SEA. 43 If your HAND CAUSES YOU TO STUMBLE, CUT IT OFF. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. 45 And if your FOOT CAUSES YOU TO STUMBLE, CUT IT OFF. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. 47 And if your EYE CAUSES YOU TO STUBLE. PLUCK IT OUT. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48 where“&#8239;‘the WORMS that eat them DO NOT DIE,
and the FIRE is NOT QUENCHED.’
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How 'bout if we told the priests guilty of raping little boys to hyperbolically remove their offending body part? I don't know - I think a pedophile would still find a way to rape children ... and those who have covered up for them - would still find a way to protect their own. These priests and their cohorts HAVE hyperbolically tied a millstone around their own necks.
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Now, Clay, my next post is a continuation of this one. It starkly juxtaposes (side by side comparison) the two illustrations in order to show the difference between a very literal command and hyperbole.
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But, before we go to the next post, I need to add that it would have been not only disrespectful but CONTEMPTUOUS towards Jesus and his direct command if Timothy HAD called Paul father. This is most likely why we never read of ANY of the Apostles being called Father. And, I might point out, we NEVER read *anywhere in inspired scripture* that Peter was called Father! Ever. You can be sure as the sky is blue that had Timothy called Paul father, it would be considered inspired scripture, as well.
guest

United States

#428428 Mar 17, 2013
CONTINUED:

http://niv.scripturetext.com/matthew/23.htm

Matthew 23:
A Warning Against Hypocrisy

1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.

5 “Everything they do is DONE FOR PEOPLE TO SEE: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6 THEY LOVE THE PLACE OF HONOR AT BANQUETS and the MOST IMPORTANT SEATS IN THE SYNAGOGUES; 7 they LOVE TO BE GREETED WITH RESPECT IN THE MARKETPLACE and TO BE CALLED 'RABBI' BY OTHERS.

8 “But YOU ARE NOT TO BE CALLED 'RABBI,' for YOU HAVE ONE TEACHER, and YOU ARE ALL BROTHERS. 9 And DO NOT CALL ANYONE ON EARTH ‘FATHER,’ for you have ONE FATHER, and HE IS IN HEAVEN. 10 NOR are you to be CALLED INSTRUCTORS, for you have ONE INSTRUCTOR, the MESSIAH. 11 The greatest among you will be your servant. 12 For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
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The pope sure does like his prominent place on the world stage, doesn't he? He hob-nobs with all the world leaders and is treated with respect by OTHER POLITICIANS! Politicians that are NOT EVEN CATHOLIC! wow. that's got to be a head trip, huh? Gets invited to state dinners, and politicians the world over, all want to be friends with the pope. WHY? BECAUSE OF HIS PROMINENT POSITION over 1 billion of the world's population.
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go figure. and the popes really like to look humble, don't they?
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Jesus said: "But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."
guest

United States

#428429 Mar 17, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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You can tell God (all the above) about your Church, when you stand before Him..
I am not so sure He will be impress with all of your carnal rituals and calisthenics..but evidently you intend to try .
hojo wrote:
As TRUE followers of Jesus Christ, we, as Catholics, don't need to try ANYTHING, to received Gods FULLNESS of the Faith, Blessings or Overabunding "completeness of HIS Grace....... God has know for over 2000 years, that HIS TRUE DISCIPLES are manifested in Jesus Christ, HIS son and in His (historically PROVEN) One True Apostolic Catholic Church and that "any other" Christian belief(bible only Protestantism, in particular) is "outside" and is "separated" from the TRUE FAITH and Salvation in Jesus Christ!
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You are *true followers* of the pope....nothing more.
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The pope said murder and torture heretics - CATHOLICS DID SO.
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The pope said call priests Father - Catholics did so.
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and you Catholics know how long this list of "following the pope" rather than following JESUS can be. we've showed it to you over and over.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#428430 Mar 17, 2013
socci wrote:
<quoted text>
Many denominations does not make the RC right.
RC does not belong on the list at all since they use other books not inspired by the apostles.
42,000 im not a member of any.
All who protests the beast in Rome and follow Jesus only are God's people saints and have not the mark of the beast.
Jesus Christs One True Catholic Church, reveals the TRUTH on its own, PROVEN in Sacred Scripture, Apostolic Church History,from the Lives of the Saints and CONFIRMED from Apologistic Historian authors and writers (both Catholic and Protestant...... The entire recorded Books of the Bible from the Early Church Fathers (who formed the Canon of Scripture in 382,393 and 397AD)(all inspired by the Apostles) remained "intact: until the Protestant Reformation, when Luther, followed by Zwigli, then Hus, the Wycliff, then Calvin --decided to "throw out" 7 of the original books because it "didn't fit into" their bible only heretical teachings. Now with 42,000 contradicting and inconsistent "hodge-podge" of Protestant (bible only denominations---of sola scriptura--Propaganda. IT IS ALL YOURS! We, as Catholics, will continue to remain with the TRUTH of Jesus Christ and His One (and Only) true Catholic Church.

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Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#428431 Mar 17, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
This is more of your "made-up" self-interpretation (or mis-interpretation of the bible which you have become an "expert at"! There is NOT ONE TRUE Church History historian, or Apologistic author or writer (either Catholic or Protestant) that would "agree" with ANY of the anti-catholic Protestant"propaganda " that you "fundies" invent, editorialize or just plain "make up" regarding Jesus Christ and what the entire New Testament "actually says" regarding Our Lords One AND ONLY) True (Universal) Church!!
You bible only "buffoons" manipulate and distort Jesus Words in Matthew 16:13-21----You twist and pervert the scriptures in Acts 2 with regard to the (heirarchical, authoritative and visible Church with is described in Acts 2 as being headed by Bishops, priests, elders and deacons.--- you alter,deform and mis-represent the TRUTH of TRUE Church History from Jesus Christs first Church at Antioch down through ALL of Churches in Pauls letters to Thessalonica, Ephesus, Galatia, Collosus, Corinth and on and on that were ALL authoritative, ALL heirarchical and ALL visible, directed by the Apostles---and finally you "twist" the words of Jesus HIMSELF in John 6:37-49 regarding the Eucharist (Jesus' OWN TRUE body and TRUE blood!----Why don't you send your above comments to your nearest local newspaper and they will put them in the "editorial section" on some back page in a obscure "corner" and then in the "trash can" where they belong! Yes!!! more of your Protestant "propaganda' bible and history distorted interpretations and "made-up" opinions is about all credibility "if any" that you and your other 42,000 contradicting denominations of (half-truth Christianity) have going for you. YOU MY FRIEND--CAN HAVE IT!!! IT IS ALL YOURS!! I was "feed and indoctrinated" into this distorted bible only (so-called Christianity for over 35 years! It is "full of disortions, lies and deceit"!!!
And I'm the one only offering opinions???!
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#428432 Mar 17, 2013
hojo wrote:
As TRUE followers of Jesus Christ, we, as Catholics, don't need to try ANYTHING, to received Gods FULLNESS of the Faith, Blessings or Overabunding "completeness of HIS Grace....... God has know for over 2000 years, that HIS TRUE DISCIPLES are manifested in Jesus Christ, HIS son and in His (historically PROVEN) One True Apostolic Catholic Church and that "any other" Christian belief(bible only Protestantism, in particular) is "outside" and is "separated" from the TRUE FAITH and Salvation in Jesus Christ!

The most ignorant contradictory beliefs among any calling themselves 'christian', that Bible only is not needed. The Bible is the word of God. Without the Bible you dont even know Jesus. At least some of your faith comes from the BIBLE where the history and witnesses accounts are passed down.

Also found in the BIBLE and even confirmed in the Catholic Catechism are at least nine of God's ten commandments the first which says HAVE NO OTHER GODS -- we are to follow ONLY God. This is done by study of what he has revealed in the books of the Bible.

No Church.
No Pope.
No priests.

We can study with all then "reprove all things" with the Bible.
guest

United States

#428433 Mar 17, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
Funny how those who "have so much to teach" others about their view of the Bible -- are somehow confined to an anonymous Topix message board.
It must be difficult for folks like this poster -- to have the answers to the greatest mysteries in the entire universe -- yet their only outlet for this amazing truth is to argue with and insult others anonymously.
Of course, it beats being laughed at to their face.
At least a few folks who possess the same absolute truth have the guts to stand on a street corner holding a cross to spout their wisdom publicly.
But others do so anonymously because they do not posses the backbone of a grasshoppa.
LOL
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Talking to someone here is like talking to them anonymously on the street. But here, we can revisit them and try to reason with them, and when they respond we can find out more about their belief system and compare it to the Inspired Scriptures. There's nothing cowardly about it at all.
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socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#428434 Mar 17, 2013
Clay wrote:
You really think Christ started a faith that was completely secret? Hidden for centuries until the Bible was printed for fools to interpret their own meaning on His Ministry??

The apostles went around starting numerous churches. The believers were never meant to be a large wealthy church. We are told "narrow is the path and few that find it." The false church in Rev 18 is described as decked in gold and jewels (wealthy) committing fornication / having relations with the kings of the earth.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#428435 Mar 17, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, you go ahead and chance it with people like Wayne Jackson.
His version of the Bible is a complete fantasy. Its a man made scenario and extremely hypocritical.
The guy is no authority on sacred scripture. Period.
Wayne Jackson knows the bible inside and out. The catholic church is the biggest deceiver of man than any other false religious institution in the world.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#428436 Mar 17, 2013
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hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
As TRUE followers of Jesus Christ, we, as Catholics, don't need to try ANYTHING, to received Gods FULLNESS of the Faith, Blessings or Overabunding "completeness of HIS Grace....... God has know for over 2000 years, that HIS TRUE DISCIPLES are manifested in Jesus Christ, HIS son and in His (historically PROVEN) One True Apostolic Catholic Church and that "any other" Christian belief(bible only Protestantism, in particular) is "outside" and is "separated" from the TRUE FAITH and Salvation in Jesus Christ!
You don't believe your own pope's teaching that clearly says Christ did not build a Catholic Church!!!!

From your NABre pope approved Bible:
this word (Greek ekklsia) occurs in the gospels only here and in Mt 18:17 (twice). There are several possibilities for an Aramaic original. Jesus’ church means the community that he will gather and that, like a building, will have Peter as its solid foundation. That function of Peter consists in his being witness to Jesus as the Messiah, the Son of the living God....

I added: The Catholic Church is a denomination.....No denominations are named in Scripture....nor in the definition of ekklsia...

Plus further proof, from Scripture, that Christ found not the Catholic cult: In Rev, when He referred to the seven (7) churches, not one did He refer to as "Catholic". This was years after His ascension into Heaven...
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#428437 Mar 17, 2013
Robert Dye wrote:
From Wikipedia:
"Polycarp (69 – 155)(Ancient Greek:) was a 2nd century Christian bishop of Smyrna.[1] According to the Martyrdom of Polycarp he died a martyr, bound and burned at the stake, then stabbed when the fire failed to touch him.[2] Polycarp is regarded as a saint in the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Anglican, and Lutheran churches.
It is recorded by Irenaeus, who heard him speak in his youth, and by Tertullian,[3] that he had been a disciple of John the Apostle.[4][5] Saint Jerome wrote that Polycarp was a disciple of John and that John had ordained him bishop of Smyrna."
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This man dies a martyr.
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A martyr.
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He was put to death for his faith in Jesus Christ.
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He witnessed to Christ to the point of shedding his own blood, and giving up his life.

Rob

Martyred by the romanist. Then his history was hijacked by the romanists, as they did St Patrick the non-Latin christian Galic Celt follower of the church Paul founded.

St Patrick
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html...


The Seventh Day history
http://youtu.be/4Xy7wIjRDOM
also..
http://youtu.be/W4peBtw5d-g

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#428438 Mar 17, 2013
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Robert Dye wrote:
<quoted text>
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From Wikipedia:
"Polycarp (69 – 155)(Ancient Greek: &#928;&#959;&#955; &#973;&#954;&#945; &#961;&#960;&#959; &#962;) was a 2nd century Christian bishop of Smyrna.[1] According to the Martyrdom of Polycarp he died a martyr, bound and burned at the stake, then stabbed when the fire failed to touch him.[2] Polycarp is regarded as a saint in the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Anglican, and Lutheran churches.
It is recorded by Irenaeus, who heard him speak in his youth, and by Tertullian,[3] that he had been a disciple of John the Apostle.[4][5] Saint Jerome wrote that Polycarp was a disciple of John and that John had ordained him bishop of Smyrna."
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This man dies a martyr.
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A martyr.
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He was put to death for his faith in Jesus Christ.
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He witnessed to Christ to the point of shedding his own blood, and giving up his life.
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And you call him "HolyCrap."
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I will pray for you.
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I suspect you will need all te prayers you can get.
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Rob
He is still a dead man.....nothing more...nothing else...I could care less what the Catholics thinks he is....

You are wasting your time praying for me...you ain't gonna get me!!!!

I will put my money only on the sure thing...the Sacred Word of God...
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#428439 Mar 17, 2013
hojo wrote:
Jesus Christs One True Catholic Church, reveals the TRUTH on its own, PROVEN in Sacred Scripture, Apostolic Church History,from the Lives of the Saints and CONFIRMED from Apologistic Historian authors and writers (both Catholic and Protestant...... The entire recorded Books of the Bible from the Early Church Fathers (who formed the Canon of Scripture in 382,393 and 397AD)(all inspired by the Apostles) remained "intact: until the Protestant Reformation, when Luther, followed by Zwigli, then Hus, the Wycliff, then Calvin --decided to "throw out" 7 of the original books because it "didn't fit into" their bible only heretical teachings. Now with 42,000 contradicting and inconsistent "hodge-podge" of Protestant (bible only denominations---of sola scriptura--Propaganda. IT IS ALL YOURS! We, as Catholics, will continue to remain with the TRUTH of Jesus Christ and His One (and Only) true Catholic Church.
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Complete rubbish A-to-Z you wont be convincing me of your nonsense.

The Bible does not confirm anything of the Roman Church; just the opposite.

All the reformers agreed the roman pope was no true Christian.

The 7 extra papal books were only added during the Reformation around 1545; this needed to support their false doctrine and spread confusion.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#428440 Mar 17, 2013
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hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus Christs One True Catholic Church, reveals the TRUTH on its own, PROVEN in Sacred Scripture, Apostolic Church History,from the Lives of the Saints and CONFIRMED from Apologistic Historian authors and writers (both Catholic and Protestant...... The entire recorded Books of the Bible from the Early Church Fathers (who formed the Canon of Scripture in 382,393 and 397AD)(all inspired by the Apostles) remained "intact: until the Protestant Reformation, when Luther, followed by Zwigli, then Hus, the Wycliff, then Calvin --decided to "throw out" 7 of the original books because it "didn't fit into" their bible only heretical teachings. Now with 42,000 contradicting and inconsistent "hodge-podge" of Protestant (bible only denominations---of sola scriptura--Propaganda. IT IS ALL YOURS! We, as Catholics, will continue to remain with the TRUTH of Jesus Christ and His One (and Only) true Catholic Church.
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You don't believe your own pope's teaching that clearly says Christ did not build a Catholic Church!!!!

From your NABre pope approved Bible:
this word (Greek ekklsia) occurs in the gospels only here and in Mt 18:17 (twice). There are several possibilities for an Aramaic original. Jesus’ church means the community that he will gather and that, like a building, will have Peter as its solid foundation. That function of Peter consists in his being witness to Jesus as the Messiah, the Son of the living God....

I added: The Catholic Church is a denomination.....No denominations are named in Scripture....nor in the definition of ekklsia...

Plus further proof, from Scripture, that Christ found not the Catholic cult: In Rev, when He referred to the seven (7) churches, not one did He refer to as "Catholic". This was years after His ascension into Heaven...
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#428441 Mar 17, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Wow. You have no regard for your soul do you?
You're deliberately thumbing your nose at the warning John gave you.
I'm surprised you can walk, 7th.
Your testicles must be the size of soccer balls.
:-)

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#428442 Mar 18, 2013
The Roman Catholic Church contends that its origin is the death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ in approximately A.D. 30. The Catholic Church proclaims itself to be the church that Jesus Christ died for, the church that was established and built by the apostles.

Is that the true origin of the Catholic Church? On the contrary. Scripture in the New Testament reveals that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus or His apostles.

In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture.

So, if the origin of the Catholic Church is not in the teachings of Jesus and His apostles, as recorded in the New Testament, what is the true origin of the Catholic Church?

To be continuated....

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