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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 691926 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Clay

Garden City, MI

#428518 Mar 18, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
POSTED LIKE A TRUE INFIDEL...
Why do I envision you wearing a suicide vest, entering a Catholic Church??
Free Mind

Saint Petersburg, FL

#428519 Mar 18, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong it said they would not taste death until they see him coming in his kingdom.
Matthew 16:28
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, who shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
At the Mt of Transfiguration the same Lord they seen and later go up will come back in the same manner. Also John in his visions saw the end time events of Christ's coming.
Typical after the fact adjustment in meaning. Hindsight is always 20/20.

Many of Jesus' followers expected Him to return within their lifetimes, and that expectation was supported by several passages such as:

(Luke 21:32-33) "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away."

(Matthew 16:27-28) ".... some here will not taste death until..."

Too bad many believers were misled and died as a result.
My truth how I got here

Asheville, NC

#428521 Mar 18, 2013
My grandmother was an extremely eccentric human being.She was also one of the best in her field. Her field,Artist.Her medium,stained glass,plaster, oils on canvas and wood.Ginny made a disgusting amount of money restoring civil war paintings.She was the go to gal for such and much more.Her genera.Religion and religious icons.If your thinking Jesus,or the Mother Mary,not that type of icon.An Icon is a block of wood in all different sizes and used as a medium for oil painting.However, Ginny did paint such historical figures of the time.
There are many pieces I remember.None more than the piece when Ginny captured the image of the Heavenly Father.Was done in oil on canvas and what the minds eye could imagined.It was massive! The canvas was 10'x10'.The Heavenly Father sits on his thrown draped in a magnificent cloak that has fallen to the cut of the arm.He leans forward on his thrown with absolute authority.As if your about to get it good from Pop.His left hand gripping the arm of the thrown. His right arm at the elbow,it runs along and past the right arm of the thrown. The right hand is open,palm up and holding the world that is wrapped twice with gold ribbon.Everything painted in the piece that was gold was true twenty four kt. gold leaf.As for the face.It shall forever be seared in my,for a lack of a better word,soul.His face showed age but with an all knowing sensibility.Ginny somehow painted the kindness and love of a new mother and the disappointment of a father.All of which seemed to lie within the eyes alone.The eyes were a crystal blue.The piece seemed to be alive.Some were convinced it was.At the studio as a child the painting terrified me.Though I couldn't take my eyes off him as he did in kind.Anywhere I walked his eyes followed. Ginny noticed it was bothering me while working the piece. Never looking up said. "It's an illusion boy, a trick.I picked up in Yugoslavia".Her attempt to set me at ease failed. His build was very muscular. His hair was long,just past the crease of the trapeziums of the shoulder. It looked as if you were to touch it you would be able to feel the soft,healthy hair of a five year old.His beard,neat,long to the sternum with the same effect.His legs large and
muscular as well. His feet wore the most ordinary looking leather sandals. As I write, I wonder,why the sandals? Nothing in the blue back round.Just the being, the thrown,and his creation.It haunts me to this day for many different reasons.
I did mention Ginny was an eccentric and an unconventional artist.Most of the great
artists are as such.The piece was not spared from this.There is an unspoken rule among artist of such a genera.No artist shall capture the image of the Heavenly Father in any medium.This is why the paintings of God in the Bible will have a blur over where the face should be.In most cases an artist will paint the image of the sun or a star. As I said Ginny was an original and very
unconventional with all aspects of her life. When my father was a young lad and became a bit inquisitive of his mothers work Ginny went for nothing else,unconventional.Ginny,know ing the importance of age appropriate.Attempted the explanation, the concept of religion.As it was told to me by my father.
"For the vast number of stars in the heavens there are just as many interpretations of religion".She went on to say,"and as for the vast differences in the interpretations,there are many similar teachings in all,Know this boy.It does not matter what name you assign to the Heavenly Father. There is but only one God.We as the meek,can only interpret what we were never to understand.Develop as a human being as an adult.Never be afraid to adjust your self or your belief".Ginny watched her son process the information and waited.When my father continue his education on the subject with a question on the places of worship,Ginny asked, "Would you like to visit such places"? Continued My truth 2

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#428522 Mar 18, 2013
447 425
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
No Ox!! It is YOU I do not believe, nor "ever will" believe ANY of your "man-made" bible only (half-truth, half-heresy) Christianity! You "fundies" are fooling no one but yourselves!...I know the sola scriptura "game" very well. I lived it for over 35 years It is a "bible pyramid game" of denial, distortion, lies and deceit, regarding the TRUTH of Apostolic Church History, and the TRUE interpretation of the Bible.----Jesus Christ NEVER wrote down "anything" and His Apostles who led and taught in the Early Churches in Antioch, Ephesus, Corinth, Thessalonica, Galacia, etc were ALL authoritative, heirarchical, visible Churches with Bishops Elder, priests and deacons (Acts 2). The few letters, parchments, and recorded documents, from the Apostles were translated by the Early Church Fathers (the written word)in 382,393, and 397 AD to form the Canon of Scripture (there was "still no bible" as we know it today until the late 16th century. The "unwritten word or the Traditions were the only thing that was taught by the Apostles (handed down by Jesus Himself)--That was it! No bible! No written word! No "bible only" preaching! No self-interpreting "hack" ministers! Jesus initiated, formed, established AND LEFT for His followers-- His One True (Universal) Church over 2000 years ago----NOT A BIBLE --You "fundies" are a bunch of "editorialist (bible only) thumping preachers" that have become "experts" at spreading your anti-catholic heretical beliefs,among your other 42,000 Protestant contradicting and inconsistent "duped" followers -------"ALL" to your own "demise and destruction"!..... God is not--nor EVER will be --the author of your "bible only" "unbiblical" Protestant "confusion, chaos and judgmental (hodge-podge) of "RELATIVE TRUTH" (self-opinionated) denominations! There is ONLY ONE TRUTH! and that TRUTH is in Jesus Christ--in and through HIS historically and biblically PROVEN One True Apostolic Catholic Church (THE BRIDE OF CHRIST)
My post contains not "man-made" bible only (half-truth, half-heresy) Christianity! The source of the info is from your own pope approved Bible!!!!!

Your own pope's teaching that clearly says Christ did not build a Catholic Church!!!!

From your NABre pope approved Bible:
this word (Greek ekklsia) occurs in the gospels only here and in Mt 18:17 (twice). There are several possibilities for an Aramaic original. Jesus’ church means the community that he will gather and that, like a building, will have Peter as its solid foundation. That function of Peter consists in his being witness to Jesus as the Messiah, the Son of the living God....
I added: The Catholic Church is a denomination.....No denominations are named in Scripture....nor in the definition of ekklsia...

Plus further proof, from Scripture, that Christ found not the Catholic cult: In Rev, when He referred to the seven (7) churches, not one did He refer to as "Catholic". This was years after His ascension into Heaven...

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#428523 Mar 18, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
POSTED LIKE A TRUE INFIDEL...
INFIDEL DEFINED IN GREEK

G571
&#945;&#787;&#769; &#960;&#953;&#963; &#964;&#959;&#962;
apistos
ap'-is-tos
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G4103; (actively) disbelieving, that is, without Christian faith (specifically a heathen); (passively) untrustworthy (person), or incredible (thing):- that believeth not, faithless, incredible thing, infidel, unbeliever (-ing).

INFIDEL DEFINED IN WEBSTERS DICTIONARY..

Infidel
IN'FIDEL, a.[L. infidelis; in and fidelis; faithful.]

Unbelieving; disbelieving the inspiration of the Scriptures, or the divine institution of christianity.

The infidel writer is a great enemy to society.

IN'FIDEL, n. One who disbelieves the inspiration of the Scriptures, and the divine origin of christianity.
Clay

Garden City, MI

#428524 Mar 18, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
So you either deny this or you don't understand it...which is it?
Hebrews 10:12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.
No Chuck, I honestly don't know what your agenda
Is with this verse.
Are you saying there is no need for a Priesthood?

Are you saying the Apostles didn't need to ordain Bishops and Priest to carry on the tradition of the Eucharist??
That eventually, their writings would be printed so you guys can figure everything out yourselves?

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#428525 Mar 18, 2013
450
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
"I will put my money on the sure thing... The Sacred Word of God"
Ya ok dude. You mean,'you'll put your money on what YOU think the Sacred Word of God is saying'
First you have to ignore historic fact; then you need to pretend Jesus taught for us to go by sola scripture; then you pretend Our Lord willed for every 'Oxbow' to pick up a bible and teach their own Christianity; then you concoct a conspiracy scenario that adheres to your ideology...
That's called designing your own tower of Babel. Jesus and the Apostles already designed the path for us, you arrogantly ignore it, and preach a different Christianity (that honestly makes zero sense and requires one to subscribe to stupidity first)
Yeah, good luck with that, many will say 'Lord, Lord'.
Your babbling does not change facts:

426
He is still a dead man.....nothing more...nothing else...I could care less what the Catholics thinks he is....
You are wasting your time praying for me...you ain't gonna get me!!!!

I will put my money only on the sure thing...the Sacred Word of God...

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#428526 Mar 18, 2013
481 425
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> The church that Jesus built and the church that 3,000 souls were added to the church on the day of Pentecost was and is the Church of Christ.
Church of Christ is a Christian denomination....He built no denomination...

Proof: In Rev when He referred to the seven (7) churches...none were referred to as the Church of Christ!!!!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#428527 Mar 18, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>What is this prayer experiment?

In summary - you prayer for something to occur to me - like "God" instills his "truth" - like you believe - into me.

I wait for "God" to talk to me.

The only parameters are:
a. You cannot tell me what you are praying for, but I will alert you of every "new" thing that occurs to me in my life, so you can tell me if any of these were what you prayed for. Pretty simple, huh? Not so fast.

b. We'll need to put a time limit on when "God" answers the prayer.
- I know, you are probably saying, "'God' has 'His' own time," and one would be considered arrogant to think they would know when "God" could complete this prayer request or not. But really, should it take a lifetime to occur? If this is your belief - then we would not be able to participate, because your faith won't allow you to put a time frame with prayer, because you dont' believe/"have faith" that "God" would do it in our time.
- The above qualifier is why most so-called "Christians" won't participate, because they don't have faith in that "God" will produce the results.

Shall we begin, or do you find the qualifiers too harsh? Why?
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>It is against your better judgment to agree with me on anything it seems,but than again I have found this whole thread basically a constant run around of arguements and so on.
I'll agree with you on anything, that is if I find it agreeable.

So far, alot of what you have writte, I have researched and find it to be falsely stated, or incomplete. Which if you do the research too, you'll find all your answers are only of men.
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>I have been believing in JESUS His Spirit,and how I fit into that equation my whole life,what is this great revelation you want to share?
Then why do you disregard half of teachings.

Skip what men have told you to believe, and dig deep inside of you...."why do you disregard many of the non-canonical" teachings, if "God" has never deemed them 'heresy'?
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>You do assume a lot,and do not express yourself NAL,really honestly.
Oh, I'm honest, sometimes too honest and it gets people angry at me.

I can live with it, as the truth does hurt sometimes. One just has to realize that they can fix the hurt.

As for making assumptions, sure why not, how else will we humans excel? Sitting around and not contemplating on better things, will leave us all on the couch watching others dictate to us what we are supposed to do. You may enjoy being told how to believe, I'll choose to believe what I want - AND TAKE ALL RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT.
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>To say we are arrogant about our faith in the Father and His Son,and the body of Christ lends to assumption on your part.
No it isn't.

So-called "Christians" have during numerous times on this forum (and others)- have basically said (I'm paraphrasing), "it is foolish to think there isn't a God".

If they have any common sense, they would admit that what they believe is what men gave them.

But lo and behold - they can't be this honest and have to lean on "their own faith" in order to achieve this belief - which I have numerously stated that would Self.....and not any god.
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Lets go man,out with it,I want something I can both understand and digest!
Read many of my 18K+ posts - you'll find plenty of nuggets. In this forum, I started posting around post number 10-11K.

Other forums I've posted in are:
Why I'm no Longer a Christian.
Why are Atheists so stupid?
Christian Lies Exposed.
Prove there's a God.

And a few other ones.

Let me know if you need any clarification. If you do, please include the question.

Thanks for responding.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#428528 Mar 18, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do I envision you wearing a suicide vest, entering a Catholic Church??
HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED THAT YOUR HALLUCINATIONS (MIGHT JUST ... COME FROM YOUR DESIRE FOR A CONTINUATION OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC INQUISITION...

Something your (so called) Church has done in the past that lasted 650 years..

That you would like to see continued toward us evangelicals, and protestants.
Clay

Garden City, MI

#428529 Mar 18, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
INFIDEL DEFINED IN GREEK
G571
&#945;&#787;&#769; &#960;&#953;&#963; &#964;&#959;&#962;
apistos
ap'-is-tos
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G4103; (actively) disbelieving, that is, without Christian faith (specifically a heathen); (passively) untrustworthy (person), or incredible (thing):- that believeth not, faithless, incredible thing, infidel, unbeliever (-ing).
INFIDEL DEFINED IN WEBSTERS DICTIONARY..
Infidel
IN'FIDEL, a.[L. infidelis; in and fidelis; faithful.]
Unbelieving; disbelieving the inspiration of the Scriptures, or the divine institution of christianity.
The infidel writer is a great enemy to society.
IN'FIDEL, n. One who disbelieves the inspiration of the Scriptures, and the divine origin of christianity.
What about someone who claims to be 'Confronting with the word', but doesn't teach the same as the first Christians?

What if this guy is missing 7 books from his Bible, because some guy named Luther - acting without authority - removed them. Is he an infidel for not confronting with all 'the Word'?

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#428530 Mar 18, 2013
496 314
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>Ohhh. I'm surprised. You are familiar with Dr.Strongs work. Many people aren't. But be sure that if you use Dr. Strongs work that it is actually his work because there are some newer versions that claim to be by Dr. Strong but they are corrupted.
Thanks for the advice...I am confident in the source that contains his work....Greek/Hebrew....
Free Mind

Saint Petersburg, FL

#428531 Mar 18, 2013
The great thing about faith....

It's better than having a king, dictator, or totalitarian guru of any kind serving as the Highest Power.

Jesus said we could all have His power, several times.

Power to the individual, a totalitarian's greatest nightmare.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#428532 Mar 18, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
No Chuck, I honestly don't know what your agenda
Is with this verse.
Are you saying there is no need for a Priesthood?
Are you saying the Apostles didn't need to ordain Bishops and Priest to carry on the tradition of the Eucharist??
That eventually, their writings would be printed so you guys can figure everything out yourselves?
Stay focused Clay. No one said anything about the eucharist.

From 1 Peter:

5 you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For it stands in Scripture:
“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone,
a cornerstone chosen and precious,
and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”
7 So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe,
“The stone that the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone,”8 and “A stone of stumbling,
and a rock of offense.”

They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do.

9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.

***all christians are priests Clay. The priests of your church are no longer Clay...sorry. You want to tell them or do you want me to?
Free Mind

Saint Petersburg, FL

#428533 Mar 18, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
450
<quoted text>
Your babbling does not change facts:
426
He is still a dead man.....nothing more...nothing else...I could care less what the Catholics thinks he is....
You are wasting your time praying for me...you ain't gonna get me!!!!
I will put my money only on the sure thing...the Sacred Word of God...
If as you say - "I will put my money on the sure thing," then why ignore what Jesus implicitly tells you to do with your money?

"Sure thing," but I'll wager you're not putting your comfortable lifestyle on it.

I don't blame you. I wouldn't do what Jesus instructs us to do in the Bible either.

I suggest the Jefferson Bible. The values of a great man, minus the mysticism, often used to hide the values maybe.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#428534 Mar 18, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
No Chuck, I honestly don't know what your agenda
Is with this verse.
Are you saying there is no need for a Priesthood?
Are you saying the Apostles didn't need to ordain Bishops and Priest to carry on the tradition of the Eucharist??
That eventually, their writings would be printed so you guys can figure everything out yourselves?
The high priest who went into the Holy of Holies in the
Tabernacle once a year with a blood offering for himself and for the sins of his people....Old Testament

When Christ died on the cross the curtain in the Temple was torn from top to bottom that we can have total access to God Himself.

So if Christ's sacrifice gives us total access to God when the curtain was torn, there is no longer a priest needed. So why do you guys still have them?
Clay

Garden City, MI

#428535 Mar 18, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED THAT YOUR HALLUCINATIONS (MIGHT JUST ... COME FROM YOUR DESIRE FOR A CONTINUATION OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC INQUISITION...
Something your (so called) Church has done in the past that lasted 650 years..
That you would like to see continued toward us evangelicals, and protestants.
The only thing I'm wondering is why you feel you have to lie about things concerning the Inquisition? Is there something about the truth that isn't compatible with what you'd like to believe... Or NEED to believe in order to hate the Church?
5 hrs Confront. That's all it took to convert a normal thinking Christian to Catholicism. I showed him his Pastors lies just like I can show one of your flock your lies. If they still stick with you, they are fools.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#428536 Mar 18, 2013
JUST IN CASE YOU MISSED MY POST.I'LL RE-POST..........JOHANNESBURG (Reuters)- A South African cardinal who helped elect Pope Francis this week has told the BBC pedophilia is an illness and not a crime.
Cardinal Wilfrid Fox Napier, the Catholic Archbishop of Durban, told BBC Radio 5 on Saturday that pedophilia was a "disorder" that needed to be treated.
"From my experience, pedophilia is actually an illness. It's not a criminal condition, it's an illness," he said.
Napier said he knew of at least two priests who became pedophiles after they were abused as children.
"Now don't tell me that those people are criminally responsible like somebody who chooses to do something like that. I don't think you can really take the position and say that person deserves to be punished. He was himself damaged."
The Catholic Church has had its image deeply tarnished by a widespread child sex abuse scandal.
Napier was one of the 115 cardinals in the Vatican conclave that elected Pope Francis on Wednesday, the BBC reported.
Clay

United States

#428537 Mar 18, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Stay focused Clay. No one said anything about the eucharist.
From 1 Peter:
5 you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For it stands in Scripture:
“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone,
a cornerstone chosen and precious,
and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”
7 So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe,
“The stone that the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone,”8 and “A stone of stumbling,
and a rock of offense.”
They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do.
9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.
***all christians are priests Clay. The priests of your church are no longer Clay...sorry. You want to tell them or do you want me to?
The Eucharist would be the primary reason the Apostles established the Priesthood. You know that. Of course, you already mocked the Eucharist and eliminated it. So I guess the debate is soley on the word 'Priest'.
The question Chuck, is, did the Apostles establish the Priesthood or not? did they ordain Bishops and Priests or not?

Or like your fantasy scenario, did they run around handing out their secret letters for clowns like you to figure out their own Christianity?

Look around you Chuck, there are millions of you sola scripturist. If ever there was a need for the Priesthood, its now. Today!

Since: Nov 08

usa

#428538 Mar 18, 2013
take note he says""From my experience," jethro: is he saying he is a pedophile?? how else would he have his own experience? if he is, why has the church done anything? he should be defrocked and jailed.

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