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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 703468 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#428500 Mar 18, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
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It is also written that the end would come in some of the Apostles lifetimes.
This is reported in more than one Gospel. It may have played a role in the Jewish uprising.
The Gospel has been spread worldwide. Still no end.
Using the Bible, Falwell, Robinson, and many other famous ministers throughout the ages have predicted the end of times.
Imagine an Almanac in which the sun, moon, and tide charts were all wrong. You had to adjust everything after the fact in order for it to be "true."
Wrong it said they would not taste death until they see him coming in his kingdom.

Matthew 16:28

Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, who shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

At the Mt of Transfiguration the same Lord they seen and later go up will come back in the same manner. Also John in his visions saw the end time events of Christ's coming.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#428501 Mar 18, 2013
socci wrote:
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Im aware of the theory. What proof do you have?
Proof of what - please clarify your request.
socci wrote:
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Is this just more of your new age deception? No wonder you are so confused about God.
No it is not any NA perception.

How am I confused about "God"?

Maybe you are the one confused.

Do you realize your "God" was a mistake?
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn-long.htm...

10 Sophia of the Epinoia, being an Aeon, thought a thought from within herself and the thought of the invisible Spirit and Foreknowledge. She willed a likeness to appear from within herself without the will of the Spirit—It had not approved—and without her partner and without his consideration. For the countenance of her masculinity did not approve, and she had not found her partner. She deliberated apart from the will of the Spirit and the understanding of her partner. She brought forth.

Because of the unconquerable power within her, her thought did not remain idle. And an imperfect product appeared from her, and it was different from her pattern because she created it without her partner. And it was not patterned after the likeness of its Mother, for it had a different form. When she saw (the product of) her will, it was dif­ferent, a model of a lion-faced serpent. His eyes were like flashing fires of lightning. She cast him out from her, outside of those places so that none among the immortals might see him, for she had cre­ated him in ignorance.

13 He shared with them (portions) from his fire.

Because of the power of the glory which dwells in him from the light of his Mother. he became Lord over them. Because of that, he called himself God, and he was not obedient to the place from which he had come.

Tsk-tsk-tsk.
socci wrote:
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Yet another victim of the state.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#428502 Mar 18, 2013
socci wrote:
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Like anything else in history destroyed by war we look to the witnesses at the time. The ten commandments were witnessed by many as recorded in the Bible. The Exodus artifacts have been found as the Bible says.
There's no truth in gnosticism which takes Bible truth and spins a lie. Catholic gnosticism was the first taking Mary the mother of Jesus transforming her into their tradition copycat of Semiramis. The real Christian trinity does not include Mary / virgin mary.
Please show where "God" has declared that there is "no truth in Gnosticism".

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#428503 Mar 18, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

I got it now.....you have this already prepared in a Word document for ease fo copying and pasting, and haven't figured out how to express your own thoughts, huh?
It happens to the best of Catholics at some point in their life.
hojo wrote:
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Nope!! Wrong again as usual New Age! I don't need to copy and paste anything! It's called "AD-LIBBING ----the--- TRUTH!! Two words that have "escaped your vocabulary as well as your thinking!!
"ab-libbing the truth"

Hojo, personal interpretation is not Catholicism. Looks you've busted yourself.

Why do you keep trying to mislead others with your tall-tales?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#428504 Mar 18, 2013
Hell is REAL wrote:
JESUS CHURCH IS A SPIRITUAL CHURCH A BODY OF REPENTED TO CHRIST ONLY, BORN AGAIN BELIEVERS WHO OBEY HIM THROUGH HIS WORD IN THE KJ BIBLE. WE ARE THE TEMPLES OF GOD. YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN IN THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST. CATHOLICISM DOES NOT EVEN TEACH THIS. THEY TEACH THEIR MEMBERS TO TRUST IN THE CHURCH, MARY, SACRAMENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE EXCEPT THE TRUTH AND THAT IS TO TRUST IN JESUS ONLY! HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN SAVE YOU. 1Ti_2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; NOT MARY EITHER, WE ARE NOT EVEN TO PRAY TO MARY. ONLY TO JESUS AND GOD. PERIOD.
THIS IS NOT CHRISTS CHURCH. YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO LIKE ME MOST OF MY WHOLE LIFE. IT'S TIME YOU ACCEPT JESUS ONLY AS THE TRUTH AND SEEK GOD THROUGH HIM AND THE READING OF THE BIBLE.
HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE TRUTH IS ABOUT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. THERE IS NOTHING HOLY ABOUT IT AND I HATE THE LIES THEY TELL TO DECIEVE THE MASSES RIGHT INTO HELL.
http://alamoministries.com/content/english/An...
*turns down the monitor sound*

What is that you are SHOUTING!!

:o)
Clay

Garden City, MI

#428505 Mar 18, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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Clay, there is no longer a need for catholic priests. All christians are priests. There are no longer NT priests, so why do you have them? To listen to you confess your sins?
Ya ok. You guys are all shepherds too eh? You guys can all perform the sacraments yourselves huh?
I don't suppose you can tell me which one of you 'Priests' are speaking what Christ wills??
There is so many to choose from!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#428506 Mar 18, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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So... I should look deeper into myself, toss my Bible, and pick up and study a copy of GoThomas to finally be on the right track?
:)
I'm at a loss for words.
it is a good start.

Then you should embark on learning different cultures and their theological views, peruse the Egyptian Book of the Dead an then the Tibetan Book of the Dead to understand those cultures, and maybe even investigate the origins of "Q" - the collection of Jesus sayings/teachings.

Good luck.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#428507 Mar 18, 2013
Clay wrote:
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You're claiming no infants were Baptized per scripture. You're the sola scripture guy...show me where the Apostles said "do not Baptize infants until they are old enough".
You believe that, right? It should be easy then.
Guess what, Chuck. Your new and strange teaching on Baptism is about 150 yrs old if that .
Mine is at least 1850 yrs old per the writings of the Apostolic Fathers. You embrace some guys opinion on this teaching.
1Cor.7

14] For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
[15] But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
[16] For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?
[17] But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.

Nothing about infant baptism.
Clay

Garden City, MI

#428508 Mar 18, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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Clay , you have said many times the catholic church was first and then the Bible. You have said the catholic church gave us the Bible. Then why not one record of an infant being baptized in an NT Book? Not one record Clay. You keep posting about 1500 years ago this and that...post the NT Book and verse Clay of an infant being baptized. Thanks
This is because when the Church decided on the NT canon, they chose only the writings of the Apostles that survived until the 4th century. They could have included the writings of the Apostolic fathers. After all, Clements epistles were read along with Pauls at the Mass.

Surely you can read the NT and see not every 'I' and 'T' is dotted and crossed concerning Christianity. Two letters Paul wrote are missing.

When the Apostle John verbally taught Ignatius and Polycarp, he was relaying the will of the Lord, even though John didn't have a court reporter writing his words verbatim.
Divine word WITHOUT being documented in writing is sacred and protected by the Holy Spirit. Its the Word of God. The Church has it and they taught it without error before anything was declared Biblical.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#428509 Mar 18, 2013
Orville wrote:
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HoJO,
If we indeed adhere to "half truth", then we have been deceived into an entire lie,
For Messiah-Jesus is either 100% truth or 100% lie. Something to consider
The words of Jesus Christ ARE 100% TRUTH!!----- but your (bible only) heretical beliefs, teachings and ministries ARE NOT!!
Believing that Jesus Christ is the Messiah and was born, lived, died (crucified) and rose again is "ONLY" (1/2) of the TRUTH.....Preaching and claiming that the bible is the only source of truth, is a FALSE and distorted bible only Protestant (personal (editorialized) opinion)..... There is ABSOLUTELY no basis of biblical or historical truth to back this up!------FURTHERMORE--- to mis-quote, mis-represent and manipulate the TRUE, SPOKEN AND STATED WORDS of Jesus Christ HIMSELF in the Gospel of Matthew (regarding His One True Church and in the New Testament is (blantantly) FALSE, and "rejecting" HIS One True (Universal- heirarchical, authoritative and visible Catholic Church--in Acts 2- ALSO adds to--and is just (more) your FALSE "fundie Protestant divisions!..... Add to this (your DENIAL) of the words of Paul in Timothy 3:15 when he says: The Church (not the bible alone) is the pillar, pinnacle and foundation of the TRUTH---and it becomes just another one of your bogus rejections of the TRUTH which (only expands and broadens) the range of FALSE teachings that you bible only "fundies" are so "famous for!"...... Put is ALL together and you have 42,000 contradicting, inconsistent and conflicting Protestant (self-interpreting and "editorial opinionated" denominations that are 1/2 TRUTH, 1/2 HERESY (at best) Christians (man-made divisions of just more Protestant confusion and more chaos.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#428510 Mar 18, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Ya ok. You guys are all shepherds too eh? You guys can all perform the sacraments yourselves huh?
I don't suppose you can tell me which one of you 'Priests' are speaking what Christ wills??
There is so many to choose from!
Hebrews 9:6 These preparations having thus been made, the priests go regularly into the first section, performing their ritual duties, 7 but into the second only the high priest goes, and he but once a year, and not without taking blood, which he offers for himself and for the unintentional sins of the people.

***The Epistle to the Hebrews speaks of
the high priesthood of Jesus by comparing his death and entry into heaven with the actions of the Jewish high priest who went into the Holy of Holies in the Tabernacle once a year with a blood offering for himself and for the sins of his people.

**Check this out Clay:

Hebrews 10:12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

***Like I told you Clay, we have Christ. There are no longer NT priests like your church says and of course since you belong to a cult and your thinking is clouded, you will deny everything I have posted.
Fun Facts

United States

#428511 Mar 18, 2013
socci wrote:
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The most ignorant contradictory beliefs among any calling themselves 'christian', that Bible only is not needed. The Bible is the word of God. Without the Bible you dont even know Jesus. At least some of your faith comes from the BIBLE where the history and witnesses accounts are passed down.
Also found in the BIBLE and even confirmed in the Catholic Catechism are at least nine of God's ten commandments the first which says HAVE NO OTHER GODS -- we are to follow ONLY God. This is done by study of what he has revealed in the books of the Bible.
No Church.
No Pope.
No priests.
We can study with all then "reprove all things" with the Bible.
You may have overlooked...

19Therefore, brothers, since through the blood of Jesus we have confidence of entrance into the sanctuarym

20* by the new and living way he opened for us through the veil,n that is, his flesh,

21* o and since we have “a great priest over the house of God,” 22let us approach with a sincere heart and in absolute trust, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience* and our bodies washed in pure water.p

23Let us hold unwaveringly to our confession that gives us hope, for he who made the promise is trustworthy.q
24We must consider how to rouse one another to love and good works.
25We should not stay away from our assembly,* as is the custom of some, but encourage one another, and this all the more as you see the day drawing near.r
http://www.usccb.org/bible/hebrews/10
Questions?
http://avemariaradio.net/catholic-online-radi...
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#428512 Mar 18, 2013
Clay wrote:
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This is because when the Church decided on the NT canon, they chose only the writings of the Apostles that survived until the 4th century. They could have included the writings of the Apostolic fathers. After all, Clements epistles were read along with Pauls at the Mass.
Surely you can read the NT and see not every 'I' and 'T' is dotted and crossed concerning Christianity. Two letters Paul wrote are missing.
When the Apostle John verbally taught Ignatius and Polycarp, he was relaying the will of the Lord, even though John didn't have a court reporter writing his words verbatim.
Divine word WITHOUT being documented in writing is sacred and protected by the Holy Spirit. Its the Word of God. The Church has it and they taught it without error before anything was declared Biblical.
Clay you said the catholic church gave us the Bible. Surely there is a rcord of an infant being baptized because it is a huge part of catholic doctrine. Now show us the NT Book that records it. If you can't it's all heresy just like you been told. Thanks

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#428513 Mar 18, 2013
guest wrote:
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You are *true followers* of the pope....nothing more.
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The pope said murder and torture heretics - CATHOLICS DID SO.
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The pope said call priests Father - Catholics did so.
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and you Catholics know how long this list of "following the pope" rather than following JESUS can be. we've showed it to you over and over.
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Not only do they follow their pope in the above.

They disregard the Ten Commandments and bow down to icons statues icons and idols..made in the likenesses of corruptible human beings..

Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God

into an image

made like to corruptible man, and

to birds, and

fourfooted beasts, and

creeping things.

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Their Catechism is their standard instead of the Bible..

Ignoring the fact that when they stand before God;

it will be GOD'S WORD....THE BIBLE that they will be judged by....

not the conjecture of what they call their Holy Fathers....

nor of their POPES.

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Only the Bible has the Holy Spirits inspiration and approval...

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2Ti 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

2Ti 3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

2Ti 3:10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

2Ti 3:11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.

2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

2Ti 3:14 ---> But continue...

thou in the things which thou hast learned

and hast been assured of,

knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

2Ti 3:15 And that from a child

thou hast known the holy scriptures,

which are able to make thee wise unto salvation

through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and

is profitable for doctrine,

for reproof,

for correction,

for instruction in righteousness:

2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect,

throughly furnished

unto all good works. <---
Clay

Garden City, MI

#428514 Mar 18, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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Hebrews 9:6 These preparations having thus been made, the priests go regularly into the first section, performing their ritual duties, 7 but into the second only the high priest goes, and he but once a year, and not without taking blood, which he offers for himself and for the unintentional sins of the people.
***The Epistle to the Hebrews speaks of
the high priesthood of Jesus by comparing his death and entry into heaven with the actions of the Jewish high priest who went into the Holy of Holies in the Tabernacle once a year with a blood offering for himself and for the sins of his people.
**Check this out Clay:
Hebrews 10:12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.
***Like I told you Clay, we have Christ. There are no longer NT priests like your church says and of course since you belong to a cult and your thinking is clouded, you will deny everything I have posted.
Ah it all makes sense now. You brought up 'Priests' a couple hrs ago, knowing you were going to bash me over the head with scripture verses showing why Christ didn't want Priests (like the Church apparently wrongfully assumed from the first century on).
Sorry Chuck. I care what was actually taught by the Apostles. I'm not interested in what some guy has to say about it, 2,000 yr later. There is more to the faith then what your un authoritative opinion is. The NT isn't verse chapter verse/ word for word instructions.
What did you spend all weekend consulting with your elders on some traps? Lol

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#428515 Mar 18, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Ah it all makes sense now. You brought up 'Priests' a couple hrs ago, knowing you were going to bash me over the head with scripture verses showing why Christ didn't want Priests (like the Church apparently wrongfully assumed from the first century on).
Sorry Chuck. I care what was actually taught by the Apostles. I'm not interested in what some guy has to say about it, 2,000 yr later. There is more to the faith then what your un authoritative opinion is. The NT isn't verse chapter verse/ word for word instructions.
What did you spend all weekend consulting with your elders on some traps? Lol
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POSTED LIKE A TRUE INFIDEL...
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#428516 Mar 18, 2013
Clay wrote:
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I'm not interested in what some guy has to say about it, 2,000 yr later.
So you either deny this or you don't understand it...which is it?

Hebrews 10:12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.
Free Mind

Saint Petersburg, FL

#428517 Mar 18, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>Aww now Pookie. Did I hurt your litle feelings or something? Sorry but your response was WEAKER THAN WATER.
Not at all. You prove my "weak" point nicely. If you can't refute or make sense, then call names and avoid reality.

Again....

Funny how those who "have so much to teach" others about their view of the Bible -- are somehow confined to an anonymous Topix message board.

It must be difficult for folks like this poster -- to claim to have the answers to the greatest mysteries in the entire universe -- yet their only outlet for this amazing truth is to argue with and insult others anonymously.

It's just amusing to watch. This amazing poster is correct and 99.9% of humanity is wrong, all based on....???

Me, me, me narcissism maybe?
Clay

Garden City, MI

#428518 Mar 18, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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POSTED LIKE A TRUE INFIDEL...
Why do I envision you wearing a suicide vest, entering a Catholic Church??
Free Mind

Saint Petersburg, FL

#428519 Mar 18, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong it said they would not taste death until they see him coming in his kingdom.
Matthew 16:28
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, who shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
At the Mt of Transfiguration the same Lord they seen and later go up will come back in the same manner. Also John in his visions saw the end time events of Christ's coming.
Typical after the fact adjustment in meaning. Hindsight is always 20/20.

Many of Jesus' followers expected Him to return within their lifetimes, and that expectation was supported by several passages such as:

(Luke 21:32-33) "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away."

(Matthew 16:27-28) ".... some here will not taste death until..."

Too bad many believers were misled and died as a result.

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