Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story

Since: Jun 10

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#427436 Mar 14, 2013
CNN:

The problem here is that in the United States many of the troops are not following the generals. For example, 90% of Catholics are using contraception and 82% think it is morally permissible. Moreover, many American Catholics are more devoted to liberal and conservative political positions than the teachings of the church.

This poses a serious problem. The church has conservative positions on human sexuality, bioethics, etc., but liberal positions on issues such as economic regulation, the death penalty and immigration. A church divided against itself seems unlikely to renew our political or cultural structures.
Henry

Bad Langensalza, Germany

#427437 Mar 14, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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When Jesus said "When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. Give us day by day our daily bread.
And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil" He was not praying.
He gave Christians a model by which to pray. Each verse presents a principle part or ingredient of how we should pray.
The new pope is a Jesuit. Friedrich Schiller: Franz heißt die Kanaille!(Francis is called the rascal). Jesuits are the worst monk organisation in the catholic church. But the catholic church is finished anyhow.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#427438 Mar 14, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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And what is the source of the truth that the church possesses????
The FULLNESS of the TRUTH!!! Over 2000 years of PROVEN Biblical and Historical authoritative PROVEN TRUTH to "back up" (everything) that Jesus Christs One True Apostolic Catholic Church, believes and teaches!!
Henry

Bad Langensalza, Germany

#427439 Mar 14, 2013
marge wrote:
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yep agree
would you say then that water baptism is of the law, what about the question they asked Jesus, is water baptism from heaven or from man?
you make it sound like water-baptism is under the law, or is it from heaven, or would under the law be from heaven?
I hope you understand my questions Gif, how is KM? I try to keep you both in my prayers.
Since there is no god why pray good for nothing at all!
Henry

Bad Langensalza, Germany

#427440 Mar 14, 2013
marge wrote:
17:1-13 Now the disciples beheld somewhat of Christ's glory, as of the only begotten of the Father. It was intended to support their faith, when they would have to witness his crucifixion; and would give them an idea of the glory prepared for them, when changed by his power and made like him. The apostles were overcome by the glorious sight. Peter thought that it was most desirable to continue there, and to go no more down to meet the sufferings of which he was so unwilling to hear. In this he knew not what he said. We are wrong, if we look for a heaven here upon earth. Whatever tabernacles we propose to make for ourselves in this world, we must always remember to ask Christ's leave. That sacrifice was not yet offered, without which the souls of sinful men could not have been saved; and important services were to be done by Peter and his brethren. While Peter spoke, a bright cloud overshadowed them, an emblem of the Divine presence and glory. Ever since man sinned, and heard God's voice in the garden, unusual appearances of God have been terrible to man. They fell prostrate to the earth, till Jesus encouraged them; when looking round, they beheld only their Lord as they commonly saw him. We must pass through varied experiences in our way to glory; and when we return to the world after an ordinance, it must be our care to take Christ with us, and then it may be our comfort that he is with us.
Well Christ never existed! from thousands ofgods not a single god ever existed. They are all phantasm nothing else!
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#427441 Mar 14, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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My posting in this forum IS....in order for you to know the truth of GOD'S WORD..
AS A MESSENGER THAT GOD HAS SENT ...I am here for ONE PURPOSE that is to confront you and other deceived Roman Catholic...
Baloney!!!!!! Your "ONLY purpose" here is to (spread your OWN "personal-editorialized (distorted opinion" and condemning judgment against(other Catholic Christians) and against the Historical and Biblically PROVEN TRUTH of Jesus Christ and His (One and only TRUE) Apostolic Catholic Church..... You are "not sent" from God---NOR --do you speak for God. In fact--" your preaching relies on "deceiving others "by listing and then quoting (or better yet -by the "misquoting" of bible verses that are "polluted" with anti-Catholic heretical "opinions", in which you "desperately hope" that "someone"---"an yone"---- will believe the "lies" about the CAtholic Church---"lies" that have corrupted--your mind, heart and soul!
Petrus Romanus

Sound Beach, NY

#427442 Mar 14, 2013
follw me child I wll fill your hole body with my love
Petrus Romanus

Sound Beach, NY

#427443 Mar 14, 2013
Lets have another dirty war in my shortz
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#427444 Mar 14, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
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And Jesus said, "why do you put a Priest in between our personal relationship?"
"Don't you trust me?" Jesus asks.
Jesus also told His Apostles: "To you I give the keys to the kingdom of heaven! Whatever you shall "bind on earth shall be bound in heaven" and whatever you shall "loost on earth, shall be loost in heaven." (It's called confession-reconciliation-abso lution)!!!!! Yes--I/we as Catholics ALL trust Jesus!! We trust --HIM----and HIS OWN SPOKEN WORDS--in the Gospel, that have been interpreted to be the TRUTH for over 2000 years!!
In I Tim 3:15, Paul calls "the Church (not the bible alone) to be the pillar, pinnacle and foundation of the TRUTH.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#427446 Mar 14, 2013
Long before the council at Carthage (circa 378 AD), there were copies floating around of all the various letters and books that would become the recognized Canon. From what I understand, most books were accepted and used in all places since at least 100 AD. The other books, Hebrews, 2 & 3 John, 2 Peter, Jude, James and Revelation, were more debatable so it is likely that those were not as universally copied. The relative merits of virtually every book had been debated and studied. From the descriptions of the early church writers, there did not seem to be any lack of copies. What possibly was lacking and which the Carthage council helped established was a formal consensus of what should and should not be included. Given human nature for what it normally is, the fact that they reached a conclusion at all is probably a testament to the lack of real contenders. If there was any real disagreement, there would have probably been a schism in the church. There wasn't any such schism in that time period, so it is probably safe to say that they were pretty much in agreement on what was going to be included even before the council met.

So, what happened between the last prophet and the wide distribution of copies is hard to say. We have no evidence that there was any time gap. If John lived to around 100 AD as some claim and copies of the gospels and Pauline letters were in circulation at that time, then it would seem that there was no time in which the church was without guidance. There could have been prophets that outlasted John. It is also possible that all the books of the Bible were in wide circulation prior to John's death. Without evidence to the contrary, I am left to assume that Paul's prophesy about the end of prophesy in I Corinthians 13 came true.
4GVN

Jackson, MO

#427447 Mar 14, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
As I have told you before, I am not going to play your "bible only Protestant "question and answer games"! You know what these terms mean as well as I do! The TRUTH of the TRUE interpretation of the bible, the TRUTH of Jesus Christs (own spoken words) regarding His One True (Universal) Church, the TRUTH of Acts 2 regarding a heirarchical authoritative Church with bishops, priests,deacons and elders ---AND FINALLY--- Paul words in I Tim 3:15 regarding the Church (not the bible alone) is the TRUTH----"it is all PRINTED, VERIFIED, PROVEN AND AUTHORITATIVE TRUTH, that has been there for over 1500 years and is "starring you in face"! Deal with it!!!!
It is not a game to ask that we take words at thier face value for what they really mean. However,It would have been much quicker and simpler to have just said...'Duh, I don't know.' Hoho, you are a joke.:)
Henry

Germany

#427448 Mar 14, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus also told His Apostles: "To you I give the keys to the kingdom of heaven! Whatever you shall "bind on earth shall be bound in heaven" and whatever you shall "loost on earth, shall be loost in heaven." (It's called confession-reconciliation-abso lution)!!!!! Yes--I/we as Catholics ALL trust Jesus!! We trust --HIM----and HIS OWN SPOKEN WORDS--in the Gospel, that have been interpreted to be the TRUTH for over 2000 years!!
In I Tim 3:15, Paul calls "the Church (not the bible alone) to be the pillar, pinnacle and foundation of the TRUTH.
Since not only the bible is full of fakes, lies and errors, the hole catholic church is full crimes! Jesus may have existed 2000 years ago as a normal human being! The religions are all fictions no more!
Henry

Germany

#427449 Mar 14, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Deeply profound point.
e.g. Bible alone says John the Baptist is greater than Jesus.
Matthew 11:11 -- "Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he."
Oxbow wrote
Since you are intent on showing the Word of God as being fallible.....I have some ammo for you...
John the Baptist said the opposite!!! Quote: And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.
~~~
IN
Mat_11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
IN
Luk_7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
IN
Joh 5:32 There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
Joh 5:33 Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.
Joh 5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.
Joh 5:35 He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.
NOTE
Joh 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.
Joh 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
Joh 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Joh 5:41 I receive not honour from men.
Joh 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Joh 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
>>>
JOHN BAPTIST WAS OF GOD'S KINGDOM ON EARTH BORN UNDER LAW..
JESUS WAS BORN UNDER THE LAW TO A VIRGIN SIRED BY THE HOLY GHOST...GOD INCARNATE,,, AND A PART OF GOD' KINGDOM IN HEAVEN.
JOHN BAPTIST IS NOT GREATER THAN JESUS...
Joh_13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you,--> The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
Joh_15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The -->servant is not greater than his lord.
If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
What a silly garbage! It are real fairy tales!
Henry

Germany

#427450 Mar 14, 2013
marge wrote:
17:1-13 Now the disciples beheld somewhat of Christ's glory, as of the only begotten of the Father. It was intended to support their faith, when they would have to witness his crucifixion; and would give them an idea of the glory prepared for them, when changed by his power and made like him. The apostles were overcome by the glorious sight. Peter thought that it was most desirable to continue there, and to go no more down to meet the sufferings of which he was so unwilling to hear. In this he knew not what he said. We are wrong, if we look for a heaven here upon earth. Whatever tabernacles we propose to make for ourselves in this world, we must always remember to ask Christ's leave. That sacrifice was not yet offered, without which the souls of sinful men could not have been saved; and important services were to be done by Peter and his brethren. While Peter spoke, a bright cloud overshadowed them, an emblem of the Divine presence and glory. Ever since man sinned, and heard God's voice in the garden, unusual appearances of God have been terrible to man. They fell prostrate to the earth, till Jesus encouraged them; when looking round, they beheld only their Lord as they commonly saw him. We must pass through varied experiences in our way to glory; and when we return to the world after an ordinance, it must be our care to take Christ with us, and then it may be our comfort that he is with us.
The catholic church is finished!
Henry

Germany

#427451 Mar 14, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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My words "Since you are intent on showing the Word of God as fallible"...does not mean I am saying the Word of God is fallible..you are...I am only giving you ammo to further your cause..
Here is a other...all Catholics say that the Bible says Christ was a sinner...they quote: For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God..
The catholic church has done huge crimes in the last 1500 years! The catholic organisation is still criminal!
Henry

Germany

#427452 Mar 14, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
428
<quoted text>
When Jesus said "When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. Give us day by day our daily bread.
And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil" He was not praying.
He gave Christians a model by which to pray. Each verse presents a principle part or ingredient of how we should pray.
The best part is to forget the whole religions at all!
Henry

Chemnitz, Germany

#427453 Mar 14, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
432
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And what is the source of the truth that the church possesses????
All the church possess are lies nothing else!
Henry

Chemnitz, Germany

#427454 Mar 14, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
As I have told you before, I am not going to play your "bible only Protestant "question and answer games"! You know what these terms mean as well as I do! The TRUTH of the TRUE interpretation of the bible, the TRUTH of Jesus Christs (own spoken words) regarding His One True (Universal) Church, the TRUTH of Acts 2 regarding a heirarchical authoritative Church with bishops, priests,deacons and elders ---AND FINALLY--- Paul words in I Tim 3:15 regarding the Church (not the bible alone) is the TRUTH----"it is all PRINTED, VERIFIED, PROVEN AND AUTHORITATIVE TRUTH, that has been there for over 1500 years and is "starring you in face"! Deal with it!!!!
The catholic church is finished. There are too many crimes in this organisation!
Henry

Chemnitz, Germany

#427455 Mar 14, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
432
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And what is the source of the truth that the church possesses????
The church has committed too many crimes in order to survive!
Henry

Bad Tennstedt, Germany

#427456 Mar 14, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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And what is the source of the truth that the church possesses????
The church has stolen from older religions many ideologies. Almost everything is overcome from other religions! So the catholic church is not only a false and criminal organisation, it is a lying religion too.

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