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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 687265 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Robert Dye

Tulsa, OK

#427572 Mar 14, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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What is Sola Scriptura?
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/557...
I looked at your link, and of the seven supposed problems (none of which I really consider valid; they really DO look to be straw men the author set up), none address the real problem of Sola Scriptura, which is a simple logical one.
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I have not yet seen your reply regarding demonstrating that Matthew is Scripture, using scripture alone.
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Have you abandoned the discussion?
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Rob

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#427573 Mar 14, 2013
Robert Dye wrote:
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I looked at your link, and of the seven supposed problems (none of which I really consider valid; they really DO look to be straw men the author set up), none address the real problem of Sola Scriptura, which is a simple logical one.
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I have not yet seen your reply regarding demonstrating that Matthew is Scripture, using scripture alone.
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Have you abandoned the discussion?
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Rob
IT IS NOT ...Matthew's gospel that I have a problem with..

IT IS THE SPIN THAT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS PUT ON IT...

They make it to say...whatever they want it to...In order to

lay claim to a MONOPOLY AND A FRANCHISE UPON THE GRACE OF GOD IN JESUS CHRIST.

THE HAVE ASSUMED THEMSELVES INTO A POSITION ...THAT GOD NEVER INTENDED TO EVER EXIST...

ONLY JESUS IS THE DOOR TO HEAVEN...

CORRUPTIBLE MEN CANNOT CONTROL THE GRACE OF GOD....AND SLAM THE DOOR ON ANY ONE...

Rev_3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it:....
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#427574 Mar 14, 2013
Clay wrote:
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You already know the answer Saban. I know you do, because at least 4 or 5 people corrected you on it. you're choosing to ignore it and go your own route.
To be honest, I could care less if people choose to embrace sola scripture. I have a problem when they preach Christianity based only on that, and imply things about the Catholic faith using ONLY the Bible.
the Scriptures claim is that the Scriptures alone hold the "fullness of the means of salvation" because they teach the truth regarding Jesus (Romans 1:16; II Timothy 3:16-17; II Peter 1:19-21; 3:15-16).

Where within the scriptures is the church of Catholics or anyone heading up the church in the place of Christ, is given the authority to do the interpretation of scripture for us?

Where is that at?

Who has given them this authority?

Or, did they just TAKE that authority upon themselves?

You and I BOTH know the answer.

You've intercepted the church from Christ. Probably Satan's greatest work!
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#427575 Mar 14, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Don't expect to post a cult essay by Wayne Jackson and call it truth. The man is as ignorant as they come.
You should write him a letter and ask him why he thinks he's an authority to translate sacred Christian writings! Men like that are waging a personal war against the only Church Jesus started. He uses a deceptive strategy that works for the vulnerable. I'm sorry Saban, the man will look Jesus in the eye and not like it very much.
Who gives "the authority to translate sacred Christian writings"???? Do you have scriptural authority for your answer or just tradition of men that wanted the POWER?
marge

Leesburg, GA

#427576 Mar 14, 2013
Robert Dye wrote:
<quoted text>
I looked at your link, and of the seven supposed problems (none of which I really consider valid; they really DO look to be straw men the author set up), none address the real problem of Sola Scriptura, which is a simple logical one.
.
I have not yet seen your reply regarding demonstrating that Matthew is Scripture, using scripture alone.
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Have you abandoned the discussion?
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Rob
Hey Rob, the five solo's might help you understand;

1 Sola scriptura ("by Scripture alone")
2 Sola fide ("by faith alone")
3 Sola gratia ("by grace alone")
4 Solus Christus or Solo Christo ("Christ alone" or "through Christ alone")
5 Soli Deo gloria ("glory to God alone")
Clay

Garden City, MI

#427577 Mar 14, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
the Scriptures claim is that the Scriptures alone hold the "fullness of the means of salvation" because they teach the truth regarding Jesus (Romans 1:16; II Timothy 3:16-17; II Peter 1:19-21; 3:15-16).
Where within the scriptures is the church of Catholics or anyone heading up the church in the place of Christ, is given the authority to do the interpretation of scripture for us?
Where is that at?
Who has given them this authority?
Or, did they just TAKE that authority upon themselves?
You and I BOTH know the answer.
You've intercepted the church from Christ. Probably Satan's greatest work!
First and foremost, none of those verses you provide say scripture alone. None of them.
Is scripture useful for teaching and correction? Yes.
Does Paul say its the ONLY thing or do you say it?

Also, Paul was speaking of the OT books.

So, how do you know the OT is to be inspired?
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#427578 Mar 14, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Don't expect to post a cult essay by Wayne Jackson and call it truth. The man is as ignorant as they come.
You should write him a letter and ask him why he thinks he's an authority to translate sacred Christian writings! Men like that are waging a personal war against the only Church Jesus started. He uses a deceptive strategy that works for the vulnerable. I'm sorry Saban, the man will look Jesus in the eye and not like it very much.
Attacking the messenger is the typical refute here by Catholics isn't it.

Paul instructed the Christians in Ephesus to “be not foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is”(Ephesians 5:17). The apostle told those saints that by reading his words they could understand those matters pertaining to Christ (Ephesians 3:3-4).

Is this not true today? We need the RCC to be the middle-man??

Additionally, the fact that the New Testament epistles were written to ordinary Christians, as Wayne Jackson pointed out, is true.

Is the following verse not speaking to me or to Wayne Jackson?

Every scripture is inspired of God, and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness. That the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

There is no scriptural evidence in the opinion you gave, but quite a bit of scriptural evidence in Wayne Jackson's writing... Think about it.
Clay

Garden City, MI

#427579 Mar 14, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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IT IS NOT ...Matthew's gospel that I have a problem with..
IT IS THE SPIN THAT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS PUT ON IT...
They make it to say...whatever they want it to...In order to
lay claim to a MONOPOLY AND A FRANCHISE UPON THE GRACE OF GOD IN JESUS CHRIST.
THE HAVE ASSUMED THEMSELVES INTO A POSITION ...THAT GOD NEVER INTENDED TO EVER EXIST...
ONLY JESUS IS THE DOOR TO HEAVEN...
CORRUPTIBLE MEN CANNOT CONTROL THE GRACE OF GOD....AND SLAM THE DOOR ON ANY ONE...
Rev_3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it:....
The Catholic Church doesn't interpret Matthew any different today then when they put it in the Bible.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#427580 Mar 14, 2013
Robert Dye wrote:
<quoted text>
I looked at your link, and of the seven supposed problems (none of which I really consider valid; they really DO look to be straw men the author set up), none address the real problem of Sola Scriptura, which is a simple logical one.
.
I have not yet seen your reply regarding demonstrating that Matthew is Scripture, using scripture alone.
.
Have you abandoned the discussion?
.
Rob
Frankly I don't understand what you're asking.

You want me to prove Matthew is scripture?

Do you not believe it is? If you don't, perhaps the method to be taken is for you to prove it is not.
Clay

Garden City, MI

#427581 Mar 14, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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Who gives "the authority to translate sacred Christian writings"???? Do you have scriptural authority for your answer or just tradition of men that wanted the POWER?
Saban, the Church came first. It functioned for almost 25 yrs before one single line of the NT was written. It functioned for another 400 yrs before anything was officially labeled canon.
You claim to be a part of this 'church of Christ' group that was supposedly started by Jesus..

What on Earth did you guys do with no Bible for so long?
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#427582 Mar 14, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
First and foremost, none of those verses you provide say scripture alone. None of them.
Is scripture useful for teaching and correction? Yes.
Does Paul say its the ONLY thing or do you say it?
Also, Paul was speaking of the OT books.
So, how do you know the OT is to be inspired?
Ha!!

And how many of them say Pope or Cardinal or Archbishop???? LOL!!!

Answer it, please..
Clay

Garden City, MI

#427583 Mar 14, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
Attacking the messenger is the typical refute here by Catholics isn't it.
Paul instructed the Christians in Ephesus to “be not foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is”(Ephesians 5:17). The apostle told those saints that by reading his words they could understand those matters pertaining to Christ (Ephesians 3:3-4).
Is this not true today? We need the RCC to be the middle-man??
Additionally, the fact that the New Testament epistles were written to ordinary Christians, as Wayne Jackson pointed out, is true.
Is the following verse not speaking to me or to Wayne Jackson?
Every scripture is inspired of God, and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness. That the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work (2 Timothy 3:16-17).
There is no scriptural evidence in the opinion you gave, but quite a bit of scriptural evidence in Wayne Jackson's writing... Think about it.
Well, you go ahead and chance it with people like Wayne Jackson.

His version of the Bible is a complete fantasy. Its a man made scenario and extremely hypocritical.
The guy is no authority on sacred scripture. Period.
MICHAEL

Canada

#427584 Mar 14, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Hey, its a vast improvement from the 5th C. when a conclave member was beaten in order to make sure his choice was "the correct one".
"Once the theological debate got underway, things went from bad to worse. When one side of the debate didn’t feel that things were going their way, a group of monks, accompanied by a gang of militia, proceeded to take over the debate by force. Threatening everyone with their life, they took a blank piece of paper and made the bishops all sign it. They planned to later simply put what they wanted on the blank section. After they got the signatures, they turned to their leading opponent, Flavian, and cried out,“Slaughter him!” Immediately a band of monks proceeded to beat the bishop so badly that he died a few days later."
http://www.ephrataministries.org/remnant-2011...
Christianity divides, which heavily implies that no salvation can be honed through an organization.
If catholics only knew what REALLY goes on at these conclaves. Are you paying attention CLAY and HOJO?

Today, I would believe once all the Cardinals are seated in the Sistine chapel and the doors locked and barred one cardinal would shout out. Who wants to order from MacDonalds? An hour later up through an unknown trap door comes a MacDonalds buffet with 115 McHappy meals.

Could I be wrong?

Free Mind

Saint Petersburg, FL

#427585 Mar 14, 2013
Clay wrote:
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The Catholic Church doesn't interpret Matthew any different today then when they put it in the Bible.
Oops, Clay is now arguing for the Protestant side.

There are many examples of differences in interpretation fro the day the Bible was compiled until now.

Starting at the very beginning, MATT (1:6-16) There are 28 generations listed from David to Jesus in Matthew's genealogy, while Luke's (3:23-31) has 43. Except for David at one end and Jesus at the other, only three names in the two lists that are the same.

That has been reinterpreted.

MATT 1:25 "And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS."

Here it sounds like Joseph "knew her" after she had Jesus. The perpetual virginity of Mary was not considered "perfect teaching" for centuries after.

MATT 2:9 ".... and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was."

Today, the church teaches that the stars don't move, the earth does.

MATT 4:8 "Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;"

Today, this is taught as a metaphor. It was taught as literal when the Bible was first produced.

Clay, you destroyed Rob's argument.
MICHAEL

Canada

#427586 Mar 14, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Saban, the Church came first. It functioned for almost 25 yrs before one single line of the NT was written. It functioned for another 400 yrs before anything was officially labeled canon.
You claim to be a part of this 'church of Christ' group that was supposedly started by Jesus..
What on Earth did you guys do with no Bible for so long?
..Why is it that all the scriptures collectively and mysteriously disappeared for nearly a century, then mysteriously all appeared to Ireneous who first saw them in about 160 AD?

something is wrong CLAY!
Clay

Garden City, MI

#427587 Mar 14, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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Ha!!
And how many of them say Pope or Cardinal or Archbishop???? LOL!!!
Answer it, please..
Sir, I'm not the one claiming Bible Alone. You are.

So where does the Bible teach Bible Alone? Where does Christ teach it and where do the Apostles teach it?
I don't care what Wayne Jackson teaches. Can you provide any documents that show Bible Alone was taught before the 16th century?
MICHAEL

Canada

#427588 Mar 14, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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I understand, you've already made reservations to attend the ribbon cutting ceremony, huh?
He has been installed as the actual person who works the giant scissors that cuts the ribbon. What an honor!!
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#427589 Mar 14, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Saban, the Church came first. It functioned for almost 25 yrs before one single line of the NT was written.
Then why does the NT call all christians, priests and saints if the catholic church was before the NT was written?

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#427590 Mar 14, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
"I follow Jesus"
You too can follow him also - just tweet him at #BuddyJesus
:o)
i would like to be friends:)
MICHAEL

Canada

#427591 Mar 14, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
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At least he is of Italian decent.
Jesus has a thing for Italians. The Irish not so much. Forget about the Chinese.
He is Italian, but he is not from Italy. A compromise. A half a loaf is better than no loaf.

The poor chinese people must be crying in their tea that their beloved Cardinal garnered only 1 vote. That was from the Vietnamese Cardinal. The Vietnamese Cardinal received only 1 vote and that was from the Chinese Cardinal.

The fix was in....

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