Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#427071 Mar 11, 2013
guest wrote:

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Yes, we know Paul wrote a couple more letters.
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Yes, common sense tells us not every detail of Christ's life was recorded for posterity. One would have to be a complete fool not to recognize that.
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But if you truly love Jesus Christ, you will listen to him - rather than listening to man. One should listen to and pay heed to the words Jesus said that WERE recorded. If you can't obey a direct command from Jesus ... then why even worry about stuff that no longer exists - because it was NOT recorded and preserved by Holy Spirit?
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I would think a person who prizes common sense would would realize God has left us adequate information, and if we listen to it - and not ADD to it - it is sufficient.
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When you blatantly ignore Jesus' words that WERE RECORDED, "Call no man father..." you treat him with contempt!... so why even bother obsessing about what was NOT recorded or preserved?
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You should know this: ALL that WAS preserved, by God's Holy Spirit, is adequate for the Christian believer. True Christians realize this, and listen to Christ.
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Jesus said it - he meant it. and he said it for a reason. You ignore his direct command when you call a priest 'Father'.

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New Age writes:
You wrote - "When you blatantly ignore Jesus' words that WERE RECORDED,"

Sounding sort of hypocritical, aren't you?

If you take what is recorded int he Bible, ONLY, then YOU are blatantly ignoring non-canonical written texts (recorded).

Do you use only the NT to come to this decision of yours?
Clay

Jersey City, NJ

#427072 Mar 11, 2013
guest wrote:
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you world of *private Bible interpretations* is by "proxy" through the pope and SUBJECT TO CHANGE with every new pope ...
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go figure.
That's not true guest. The Pope can never go against scripture. In a sense, he can't even 'privately' interpret scripture. Nothing he says can go against Church teachings. If he does, we are obligated to publicly rebuke him like Paul did to Peter. Saint Thomas of Aquinas and numerous others in the 2,000 yr history have publicly rebuked the sitting Pope for going against Church teachings.

"the road to hell is paved with the skulls of Bishops and Priests"
Saint Athenasas council of Nicaea 325 AD.

"It is better for scandals to arise then the truth be suppressed"
Pope Gregory the Great

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#427073 Mar 11, 2013
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Clay wrote:
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Guest, when Paul called Timothy 'his son', it would have been appropiate and is STILL appropiate to call him FATHER in return. This is why we called Priests, father from the earliest possible inception of the Church, because the first Christians called the Apostles,'father'.
Fast forward 2,000 yrs and some radical fundies snatched a line from the Bible and ran with it.....
oh well
There is no Scripture that says "Call no one your son"....there is no Scripture that shows Timothy calling Paul "father"...

Show me Scripture that shows the apostles being called "father"...
Free Mind

Wesley Chapel, FL

#427074 Mar 11, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Post 426849 Free: "Why Clay, Why? Why are you not comfortable with the reality of your faith, so you are forced to lie"
same post 42689 Free: "However, only one of these may have been from African decent...one Pope,(maybe) does not equal 80%. Get a grip clay"
(keep in mind i never said 80% of our Popes were from Africa)
post 425865 Free: "yet clay claims that 80% of Popes or so"
post 426970 Free: "Now you should understand why i call you out on your own deceptions - like 80% of our Popes were dark skinned of African decent" "Im here for you, stop doing what you say others are doing (lying)"
KEEP in MIND I NEVER SAID 80% of OUR POPES WERE OF AFRICAN DECENT! Thats sill to even think that.
post 426842 I said this: "I believe about 80% of our Popes had dark skin. We already had an African Pope but I forgot his name, it was like a thousand yrs ago"
Thats all I said there bud. And I still stand by it. Allot of our Popes had dark skin. They were full blooded Italian.
Ya know, i feel like im stooping to a level unbecoming of me. Its way to childish and I don't feel comfortable as an adult playing these stupid games.
**here, my hand is out. shake
Clay, you kept replying to things I never even wrote.

No matter, you pointed out where I said you were forced to lie.

Close enough. My apologies. I will try to do better.
Clay

Jersey City, NJ

#427075 Mar 11, 2013
guest wrote:
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It is never appropriate to ignore the words of Jesus himself. And for some reason you cannot comprehend that.
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But, show me where Timothy calls Paul "father" ... or is that one of those *verses* that was not recorded and preserved?
There is no scripture that shows Timothy calling Paul 'Father'. Timothy didn't write any of the New Testament.
It would be completely legal and normal if he did, since Paul referred to him as his son. We can base this on tradition and early Christian writings that it was appropriate to call Priests and Bishops, such as Paul,'father'.

Boy, you guys sure have allot of scripture verses to hide behind.

Don't you think at some point, you're going to need to prove that sola scripture exists? That Jesus commanded it? That the Apostles taught it?

I don't think you'll be able to smuggle your highlighted Bible into judgement day to show God your verses that you went 'all inn' with.
Clay

Jersey City, NJ

#427076 Mar 11, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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There is no Scripture that says "Call no one your son"....there is no Scripture that shows Timothy calling Paul "father"...
Show me Scripture that shows the apostles being called "father"...

Show of scripture show me scripture. Give me verse chapter verse chapter. Lol

I'll tell you what, you give me verse chapter that says the Bible is all that's revealed about Jesus Christ and His Ministry. Give me a verse that says we need a Bible to be the sole pillar of teaching on Christianity; the only truth revealed by the Apostles?
Otherwise, there really is no need to go further with you fundies.
Heck, you even take the 'fun' out of fundie.

Lol.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#427077 Mar 11, 2013
Clay wrote:
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That's not true guest. The Pope can never go against scripture. In a sense, he can't even 'privately' interpret scripture. Nothing he says can go against Church teachings. If he does, we are obligated to publicly rebuke him like Paul did to Peter. Saint Thomas of Aquinas and numerous others in the 2,000 yr history have publicly rebuked the sitting Pope for going against Church teachings.
"the road to hell is paved with the skulls of Bishops and Priests"
Saint Athenasas council of Nicaea 325 AD.
"It is better for scandals to arise then the truth be suppressed"
Pope Gregory the Great
"The Pope can never go against scripture."

Horse puckett...

He teaches to pray to Mary...that is against Scripture..
He teaches to confess to a man....that is against Scripture..
He teaches that Mary was sinless..that is against Scripture..
He teaches to pray to dead "Saints"...that is against Scripture..
He teaches Mary's is a mediator...that is against Scripture...
He teaches Mary is a virgin evermore...that is against Scripture..
He teaches Mary is the mother of God...that is against Scripture..

I have many more....

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#427078 Mar 11, 2013
Clay wrote:
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.....so do you ask your family and friends to pray for you or not?
We know from scripture that there are saints in Heaven, who along with the Angels, pray to God before the throne. We know our children have guardian Angels who are in the presence of God....
what else are you demanding the Bible show us?
scripturecatholic.com/saints.html
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WHILE I DO NOT DENY THAT THERE ARE ANGELS THAT WATCH UPON US ALL..

I question what you posted about Saints being involved in the prob;ems upon earth..

I do not believe the dead have the slightest idea of what is transpiring upon the earth...

While I believe departed Spirits are with God...

I cannot believe that it would be heaven for them ...If they were
burdened with the cares of people on the earth...and were reminded and had to contend with with the sin that is rampant.

It would be Hell in Heaven for them...They would not be in a place of peace, nor would they be free from worry and care...

In your wildest dreams...
Your imagination surely is running overtime in something that cannot be proven by the Bible..
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#427079 Mar 11, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
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Clay, you kept replying to things I never even wrote.
No matter, you pointed out where I said you were forced to lie.
Close enough. My apologies. I will try to do better.
Me too Free. Have a good night.
Robert Dye

Muskogee, OK

#427080 Mar 11, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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WHILE I DO NOT DENY THAT THERE ARE ANGELS THAT WATCH UPON US ALL..
I question what you posted about Saints being involved in the prob;ems upon earth..
I do not believe the dead have the slightest idea of what is transpiring upon the earth...
While I believe departed Spirits are with God...
I cannot believe that it would be heaven for them ...If they were
burdened with the cares of people on the earth...and were reminded and had to contend with with the sin that is rampant.
It would be Hell in Heaven for them...They would not be in a place of peace, nor would they be free from worry and care...
In your wildest dreams...
Your imagination surely is running overtime in something that cannot be proven by the Bible..
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Exactly right, "confrinting!"
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Where did it EVER say that ANY human who had died had ANYTHING to do with what was happening on earth after their death?
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If those in Heaven DID have any concern with what was happening on earth, them surely the NT would have revealed this, with, say, the most important of the OT persons, such as Moses (representing the Law) and Elijah (representing the Prophets).
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Their absence speaks volumes in support of your position!
guest

United States

#427082 Mar 11, 2013
guest wrote:
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It is never appropriate to ignore the words of Jesus himself. And for some reason you cannot comprehend that.
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But, show me where Timothy calls Paul "father" ... or is that one of those *verses* that was not recorded and preserved?
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Clay wrote:
There is no scripture that shows Timothy calling Paul 'Father'. Timothy didn't write any of the New Testament.

It would be completely legal and normal if he did, since Paul referred to him as his son. We can base this on tradition and early Christian writings that it was appropriate to call Priests and Bishops, such as Paul,'father'.

Boy, you guys sure have allot of scripture verses to hide behind.
Don't you think at some point, you're going to need to prove that sola scripture exists? That Jesus commanded it? That the Apostles taught it?

I don't think you'll be able to smuggle your highlighted Bible into judgement day to show God your verses that you went 'all inn' with.
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No. It would NOT be appropriate for Timothy to call Paul Father - and that is PROBABLY why he did not do it. He HEARD and OBEYED the words of Jesus, "Call no man Father."
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so there you have it, just me, hiding behind *scripture* AGAIN ...
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YOU are hiding behind the skirts of the Pope, and his underlings - as always ....
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Wonder what YOU will do come judgment when Jesus says, "Get away from me, I never knew you." you just may be able to hide under the skirts of priests come judgment ... But I'll bet Jesus will know you're there. and, no doubt, you will share the same judgment.
http://niv.scripturetext.com/matthew/7.htm
True and False Disciples

21 “Not everyone who says to me,‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one WHO DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day,‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly,‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
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You know Clay, the pope whose skirt you are hiding behind varies from century to century, for instance:
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Those who murdered and tortured in the name of God, hid behind the skirts of Pope Innocent IV:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Inquisi...
Torture could be used after 1252. On May 15, Pope Innocent IV issued a papal bull entitled Ad exstirpanda
whoops! THIS must be one of those things that was NOT recorded in the Bible.
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Those who aided and abetted Stephen VI hid behind his skirts:
Stephen VI was Pope from 896 to 897. Fueled by his anger with Pope Formosus, his predecessor, he exhumed Formosus's rotting corpse
THIS SORT OF STUFF is called necrophilia.
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The guy who bought the papacy hid behind Benedict IX skirts:
Benedict IX was Pope from 1032 to 1044, again in 1045, and finally from 1047 to 1048, the only man to have served as Pope for three discontinuous periods,... Benedict gave up his papacy for the first time in exchange for a large sum of money.
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A murderer hid behind this pope's skirts:
Sergius III was Pope from 897 to 911, and has been the only pope known to have ordered the murder of another pope and the only known to have fathered an illegitimate son who later became pope;
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there's more of these *hiding behind the pope's skirts* horror stories here:

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/ar...
4GVN

Jackson, MO

#427083 Mar 11, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Show of scripture show me scripture. Give me verse chapter verse chapter. Lol
I'll tell you what, you give me verse chapter that says the Bible is all that's revealed about Jesus Christ and His Ministry. Give me a verse that says we need a Bible to be the sole pillar of teaching on Christianity; the only truth revealed by the Apostles?
Otherwise, there really is no need to go further with you fundies.
Heck, you even take the 'fun' out of fundie.
Lol.
I will present it to you yet again, Clay. The bible claims to be the fery 'word of God'. Jesus himself quoted scripture and stated that 'GOD said'. If Jesus is correct about scripture being God's word, what do you believe can stand as equal to Goc's word. Is there anything else that should be considered as equal? Nothing else in the world is called by Our Lord, The Word of God. So what will you place your faith in as the final autority?
guest

United States

#427084 Mar 11, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
guest wrote:
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Yes, we know Paul wrote a couple more letters.
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Yes, common sense tells us not every detail of Christ's life was recorded for posterity. One would have to be a complete fool not to recognize that.
-
But if you truly love Jesus Christ, you will listen to him - rather than listening to man. One should listen to and pay heed to the words Jesus said that WERE recorded. If you can't obey a direct command from Jesus ... then why even worry about stuff that no longer exists - because it was NOT recorded and preserved by Holy Spirit?
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I would think a person who prizes common sense would would realize God has left us adequate information, and if we listen to it - and not ADD to it - it is sufficient.
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When you blatantly ignore Jesus' words that WERE RECORDED, "Call no man father..." you treat him with contempt!... so why even bother obsessing about what was NOT recorded or preserved?
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You should know this: ALL that WAS preserved, by God's Holy Spirit, is adequate for the Christian believer. True Christians realize this, and listen to Christ.
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Jesus said it - he meant it. and he said it for a reason. You ignore his direct command when you call a priest 'Father'.
**********
New Age writes:
You wrote - "When you blatantly ignore Jesus' words that WERE RECORDED,"
Sounding sort of hypocritical, aren't you?
If you take what is recorded int he Bible, ONLY, then YOU are blatantly ignoring non-canonical written texts (recorded).
Do you use only the NT to come to this decision of yours?
You can follow all the non-canonical written texts you want. Have at it, there are plenty to choose from:
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The Qur'an
The Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price, Doctrine and Covenants
The Kitab-i-Iqan
The Zend-Avesta
The Rigveda
.. there are many more and probably all inclusive with the "New Age" people.

but me? hypocritical? I don't think so. I WON'T follow the pope, I follow Christ instead - and that is NOT hypocritical.
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What Catholics don't understand is this: If you want to call yourself a Christian, you gotta do what Christ said to do. nothing more. You don't get to make it up as you go along. Which is what he Catholic church does, while accusing everyone else of doing that very thing.
The world of Christianity is so confused BECAUSE of the Catholic church, and trying to extract themselves from the RC church has led to the confusion. There are MANY traditions of men that people have a difficult time giving up ... but I think the further away one gets from the Catholic church ... the closer to Christianity you become - starting with, "Call no man father."
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AGAIN!... right out of the starting gate -
they
disobey
Christ.
By going AGAINST the direct words of Christ, they show that they are not FOLLOWERS of Christ.
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Stop signs say *STOP* for a reason. It is a DIRECT COMMAND. IF you read the sign and PROCEED anyway, you could lose your life and cause the death of others in an accident.
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Likewise, Jesus said, "Call no man your father." FOR A REASON. It is a DIRECT COMMAND - if you ignore his words and do it anyway.... you could lose your life.
marge

Ames, IA

#427085 Mar 11, 2013
Robert Dye wrote:
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Exactly right, "confrinting!"
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Where did it EVER say that ANY human who had died had ANYTHING to do with what was happening on earth after their death?
.
If those in Heaven DID have any concern with what was happening on earth, them surely the NT would have revealed this, with, say, the most important of the OT persons, such as Moses (representing the Law) and Elijah (representing the Prophets).
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Their absence speaks volumes in support of your position!
wow you use the tranfiguration of Jesus as a reason for praying to the dead saints?

You need to read it again and hear this part for sure, God said; "This is my dearly loved Son who brings my great joy. Listen to Him"

Listen to Him!

And think about why Jesus had to be tranformed to talk with Moses and Elijah.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#427086 Mar 11, 2013
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Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Show of scripture show me scripture. Give me verse chapter verse chapter. Lol
I'll tell you what, you give me verse chapter that says the Bible is all that's revealed about Jesus Christ and His Ministry. Give me a verse that says we need a Bible to be the sole pillar of teaching on Christianity; the only truth revealed by the Apostles?
Otherwise, there really is no need to go further with you fundies.
Heck, you even take the 'fun' out of fundie.
Lol.
You are truly a blessing!!!! Thanks for proving that my words are undeniably truth and correct...quote:

There is no Scripture that says "Call no one your son"....there is no Scripture that shows Timothy calling Paul "father"...

There is no Scripture that shows the apostles being called "father"...

You are still in that fog!!!!! You need to go back to your Hollywood 101 Seminar...study, again, the following courses: The Robe, the Ten Commandments, Ben Hur, David and Bathsheba...

Question: Do they still teach that Moses built the ark?????
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#427087 Mar 11, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>if god is the uncreated creator,then can you give me plausible answers to this, genesis:1:26 And God said, Let us make man in "our image",, after "our" likeness,...he clearly states the word "our" twice,question,who is he talking to? I have asked this question a few times in the past and no one answered me,i figured since the catholics have a direct line to god (the vicar of christ)the pope,they could answer it,but no one does not even pope hojo who is an expert in religion.
Jethro here is what God told me:

I am that I am.

Do Therefore: It Is What It is !!!
guest

United States

#427088 Mar 11, 2013
Clay,

Let's say you are a student driver in a car and you approach a sigh that says "STOP'. Your driving instructor says, "Eh, it's okay to go through the sign. It doesn't REALLY mean for you to stop."
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Does this reaction from your driving instructor show that he is a capable instructor who knows what he is doing? and do you think it is wise to continue taking your chances by following his instruction?
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You come up to a street light - it's turning red - your instructor tells you that "red" really means go and "green" really means stop, despite what all the driving manuals say. Do you blow through the red light anyway?
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He says you are OK on a one-way street going north but you can clearly see the one-way sign is pointing south - what would you do?
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Do you blindly follow his directions?
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OR:
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Do you question the sanity of the driving instructor and finally begin to think for yourself at this point? If not ... at what point do you question your own sanity?

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#427089 Mar 11, 2013
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guest wrote:
Clay,
Let's say you are a student driver in a car and you approach a sigh that says "STOP'. Your driving instructor says, "Eh, it's okay to go through the sign. It doesn't REALLY mean for you to stop."
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Does this reaction from your driving instructor show that he is a capable instructor who knows what he is doing? and do you think it is wise to continue taking your chances by following his instruction?
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You come up to a street light - it's turning red - your instructor tells you that "red" really means go and "green" really means stop, despite what all the driving manuals say. Do you blow through the red light anyway?
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He says you are OK on a one-way street going north but you can clearly see the one-way sign is pointing south - what would you do?
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Do you blindly follow his directions?
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OR:
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Do you question the sanity of the driving instructor and finally begin to think for yourself at this point? If not ... at what point do you question your own sanity?
My info is that he has already questioned his own sanity. His answer came back "What sanity?"?????
guest

United States

#427090 Mar 11, 2013
*sign*
guest

United States

#427091 Mar 11, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
if god is the uncreated creator,then can you give me plausible answers to this, genesis:1:26 And God said, Let us make man in "our image",, after "our" likeness,...he clearly states the word "our" twice,question,who is he talking to? I have asked this question a few times in the past and no one answered me,i figured since the catholics have a direct line to god (the vicar of christ)the pope,they could answer it,but no one does not even pope hojo who is an expert in religion.
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does this help? All these verses pertain to Jesus, Son of God:

Jesus is the firstborn over all creation:
Col. 1:15
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
http://bible.cc/colossians/1-15.htm

Jesus himself said he was with God before the world began:
John 17:5
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
http://bible.cc/john/17-5.htm

Through Jesus all things were created:
John 1:
2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
http://niv.scripturetext.com/john/1.htm

All things have been created through him and for him:
Colossians 1:
16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

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