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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 665403 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Dan

Omaha, NE

#426212 Mar 7, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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The Bible does not teach that we are to believe in any "Church"...much less the Catholic Church.
You are putting your money on the wrong horse!!!
You must be reading the Racing Form by mistake.

Matthew 16:18

18 And I tell you that you are Peter,[a] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[b] will not overcome it.

Eph 3:21

21 to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen

Matt 18:20

18 Then Jesus came to them and said,“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Eph 5 makes numerous mention of the church.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#426213 Mar 7, 2013
LTM wrote:
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Which is an abomination to God. The Pope should show such respect for the Holy Scripture of Our God Most High God.
Still stuck on that?

Where's my citation from the RCC that they don't believe in the Bible?

Even Chuck thinks you're wrong.
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#426214 Mar 7, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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The way words are palced on a paper, is not of any concern. It is what those words express that should be near to the heart.
As for GoThomas and GoJudas - they both have these special attributes. Thomas tells of specific teachings by Jesus in parable and non-parable form. Whereas GoJudas includes yet other teachings and explanations to questions that clearly show of an etheral/esoteric nature.
I'm sorry you don't understand this level of spirituality in us.
And you are full of hot air .
there is no book of Doubting Thomas . If there is it is not inspired by God.
Thomas was not with the other disciples when Jesus appeared to them, and breathed on them and they recieved the Holy Spirit.
JOHN 20: 19-29 Jesus Appears to His Disciples

19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said,“Peace be with you!” 20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.

21 Again Jesus said,“Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said,“Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

Jesus Appears to Thomas

24 Now Thomas (also known as Didymus[a]), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him,“We have seen the Lord!”

But he said to them,“Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”

26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said,“Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to Thomas,“Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

28 Thomas said to him,“My Lord and my God!”

29 Then Jesus told him,“Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Since: Nov 08

usa

#426215 Mar 7, 2013
Stan-an-Ollie wrote:
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.....LIAR.....
You are 'guessing' on this one and what you say only confirms that you don't know what you are talking about and full of schidt to the eyeballs.
So why don't you explain 'The Purpose Of Life'.
In your very own words, of course, and NOT from some professor's books or through your Binger or thingys like that.
Yeah, give everyone your understanding of 'The Meaning Of Life'.
Both Stanley and myself can hardly wait for this one. We can't sit around laughing in anticipation, or else we will 'laugh ourselves to death'. Imagine us 'Croaking' with huge smiles on our faces. Hahaha.
Meanwhile, you can also go on a hunger strike eating absolutely Nothing At All. After 3 months, and when you begin to look like some of the survivors of the 'Holocaust', maybe....just maybe....you will have a newFound respect for this thingy called Life.
pal i have a new found respect for life,I recieved it 6 yrs ago when i was diagnosed with colorectal cancer. I am a realist/evolutionist,I believe in the reality i see going on around me and around the world,and it is getting uglier by the day honest people being forced out of their homes due to greedy rich people who can't get enough so they gouge the less fortunate an squeeze every penny they can get out of them,do you see a god interceding on their behalf? i don't but then,gods so called true church is just as greedy and power hungry as the rest of them are,so i guess he wouldn't do anything to help would he?as far as looking like a holocaust survivor, i'm pretty close to it, i have gone down from 200 lbs down to 165 lbs. because of a chemo drug i take, i maintain my current weight by lifting weights,and going for long walks when weather permits,can you prove beyond a doubt a god exists? no you can't you have only one set of scriptures and nothing to corroborate they are actual devine writtings,no one can say they are for sure if they did they to would be a "LIAR" FOR YOU TO ARE JUST GUESSING.so take your friend stanley and your self to a phsycologist,because buddy if i ever met a person on here that needs one it's you.
disciple

Murrieta, CA

#426216 Mar 7, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Still stuck on that?
Where's my citation from the RCC that they don't believe in the Bible?
Even Chuck thinks you're wrong.
Would believing in things that are not in the Bible answer your question?
silly me..probably not.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#426217 Mar 7, 2013
LTM wrote:
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And you are full of hot air .
there is no book of Doubting Thomas . If there is it is not inspired by God.
Thomas was not with the other disciples when Jesus appeared to them, and breathed on them and they recieved the Holy Spirit.
JOHN 20: 19-29 Jesus Appears to His Disciples
19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said,“Peace be with you!” 20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.
21 Again Jesus said,“Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said,“Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”
Jesus Appears to Thomas
24 Now Thomas (also known as Didymus[a]), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him,“We have seen the Lord!”
But he said to them,“Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”
26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said,“Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to Thomas,“Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
28 Thomas said to him,“My Lord and my God!”
29 Then Jesus told him,“Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
There is indeed a Gospel of Thomas and a Gospel of Judas.

Neither are canonical, but they do exist.
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#426218 Mar 7, 2013
When do we receive the Holy Spirit?
The Holy Spirit is that part of the Trinity that lives inside all believers. When and how He enters our hearts is debated for a couple of reasons. The first is the confusion over the terms “indwelled with the Holy Spirit,”“filled with the Holy Spirit,” and “baptized by the Holy Spirit.” The second reason is the tendency of some to see the receiving the Holy Spirit in the early church as recorded in the book of Acts as the model for us today.

Scripture clearly indicates that believers are indwelled with the Holy Spirit—that is, the Holy Spirit moves into their hearts—at the moment of conversion.“For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink”(1 Corinthians 12:13). All believers have the same spirit—the Holy Spirit. Ephesians 1:13 is more specific about the exact moment we receive the Holy Spirit:“Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promise of the Holy Spirit.” Romans 8:9 explains simply that “if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.”

If the Scriptures so plainly state that all believers have the Holy Spirit, why the controversy? There is a distinct difference between the Holy Spirit indwelling us and the Spirit filling us. The filling of the Holy Spirit was a tool used by God since the Old Testament. In Deuteronomy 34:9, Joshua is filled with the Holy Spirit to take on Moses’ responsibilities. In 1 Samuel 19:18-24, King Saul and his servants are filled with the Spirit and prophesy. And in Luke 1:15, the angel explains to Zacharias that his son, John the Baptist, will be filled with the Spirit. After Jesus’ death and resurrection the Holy Spirit continued to fill people, including Peter (Acts 4:8), Paul (Acts 13:9), and the other disciples (Acts 13:52). This is different from the simple indwelling of the Spirit experienced by all believers. Some also confuse the baptism of the Holy Spirit. We believe it is the same as the indwelling of the Spirit, although others think it is more similar to the filling of the Spirit.

The book of Acts is a fascinating look into the change from the age of Judaism to the age of the Church. Jesus was a Jew. The disciples were Jews. But the Church is distinctly Christian. The disciples didn’t become Christians until John 20:22 when Jesus breathed the Holy Spirit into them. In Acts 2:4, they were filled with the Holy Spirit. In Acts 8:14-17, however, God waited to give the Samaritans the Holy Spirit until Peter and John could see. We aren’t told why, although perhaps it was so these devout Jews could witness the coming of the Spirit upon a group of people so despised by them. Acts 10:45 seems to corroborate this as the “circumcised believers”(Jews) were “amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.”

Today and always, we receive the Holy Spirit the moment we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior. In John 3:5, Jesus says,“…unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” When we accept Christ, God immediately seals us with His Spirit (2 Corinthians 1:22).
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Dan

Omaha, NE

#426219 Mar 7, 2013
disciple wrote:
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Would believing in things that are not in the Bible answer your question?
silly me..probably not.
No, since LTM clearly stated that the RCC doesn't believe a word of the Bible.

I need something from the RCC where they say they don't believe in the Bible.

Sorry, Uncle disciple-LTM owns this one.

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#426220 Mar 7, 2013
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Why are you not answering my question!!! Quote: Have I declared Chapter 6 of John to be metaphorical?????

I can help you with a clue to the answer. It has to do with your foot and your mouth....
Is there something about my question you are not understanding????48

Since: Nov 08

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#426221 Mar 7, 2013
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IN GOD'S EYES THERE ARE NO DENOMINATIONS. NOT EVEN ROMAN CATHOLIC..
In God's eyes----YES----there are "no denominations"---that is why HIS Son Jesus, formed, established and initiated-(in Matthew 16:13-21--ONE (and only one) True Apostolic (Universal-Catholic) Church over 2000 years ago...... 1500 years later, in the 16th century (MAN-MADE Protestant denominations changed all of that, at the time of the Reformation, beginning with Luther, then Zwingli, Hus, Wycliff, Knox, Calvin....and on and on and on! until now in the 21st century, we have Confrinting, New Age, LTM, Justachristian, Orville, etc. etc. now adding to those (editorialist) MAN MADE Protestant denominations of 42,000+ contradicting interpretations of the bible,---ALL CLAIMING to have the truth! This bible only Protestant confusion and chaos is "nothing more" than "RELATIVE (Opinionative) TRUTH---(where what each person decides for themselves is the truth).... We, as Catholics will remain with the FULLNESS of the FAITH and the FULLNESS of the TRUTH in Jesus Christ, in and through HIS One (one and only) TRUE Apostolic Catholic Church....You can "keep" your bible only "editorializing" half-truth Christianity with all the chaos, confusion, and contradicting denominations. They are "ALL YOURS"
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The title that "The Roman Catholic Church is the Only True Church (which is Proven Historically and Biblically to be TRUE) requires an even "greater TRUTH) in that Jesus Christs One True Apostolic Church is the "ONLY TRUE CHURCH" that is formed by Jesus Christ HIMSELF!---"Every other Church, is a denomination, that has "fallen away" from the FULLNESS of the TRUTH and the FULLNESS of the FAITH! In God's eyes- there are "no denominations"! His Son Jesus Christ formed, established and initiated-(in Matthew 16:13-21--ONE (and only one) True Apostolic (Universal-Catholic) Church over 2000 years ago...... 1500 years later, in the 16th century, A "NEVER ENDING LIST of (MAN-MADE Protestant denominations changed all of that, at the time of the Reformation. And it all began with Luther, then Zwingli, Hus, Wycliff, Knox, Calvin....and on and on and on! until now in the 21st century, we have Confrinting, New Age, LTM, Justachristian, Orville, etc. etc. now adding to those (editorialist) MAN MADE Protestant denominations of 42,000+ contradicting interpretations of the bible,---ALL CLAIMING to have the truth! ALL CLAIMING to bible (interpreting experts) ALL CLAIMING that in "their own personal opinion" that they "speak for God"!! This bible only Protestant confusion and chaos is "nothing more" than "RELATIVE (Opinionative) TRUTH---(where what each person decides for themselves as to the truth).... The fact is that "there is no discussion necessary, "there is nothing to debate, and "there is nothing deliberate about"! The TRUTH of over 2000 years of Christs One True Catholic Church --"REMAINS TRUTH"! I/We, as Catholics (ALL know this) and will continue to remain, adhere to, and worship in the FULLNESS of the FAITH and the FULLNESS of the TRUTH in Jesus Christ, in and through HIS One (one and only) TRUE Apostolic Catholic Church....You Protestants can "keep" your bible only "editorializing" half-truth Christianity with all the chaos, confusion, and contradicting denominations, and argue among yourselves, since NONE of you 42,000 self interpreting "fundies" have never, nor will ever" agree with each other.In other words "you can do what you want"!! We, as Catholics, will just follow the TRUTH of the Gospel of Jesus Christ--in and through His One True Catholic Church!!!!!
sheep dip

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#426222 Mar 7, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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I've answered your question probably 20 times. Your refusal to accept my answer does not mean I didn't answer.
Your question, "Why do I think Paul was more enlightened than Jesus?" ----------> My answer once again:
Ready??
Are you sure?
Yes? OK then...
Here it is...-------> I don't.
Did you catch it that time??
I answered "I DON'T.
You still with us?
Ready for some additional information I've shared over and over already?
You sure?
OK.
Here it is:
I think Paul's writings were inspired. I think God through the Holy Spirit was working through Paul. Therefore, I do not believe Paul's writings and Jesus' sayings could ever contradict.
My opinion:
Ready????
Are you sure?
OK. Here goes....
My opinion is that Paul writings are neither more or less enlightened that Jesus' teachings. Why? Because they were the teachings Jesus wanted us to have. Happened to be through Paul.
Did you get that?
Did you notice I answered your question?
Or, will you, like so many times before, ignore my answer and continue to tell me I have not answered your question?
Will you?
Hmmm?
Now, since you are SO GOOD at asking loaded questions, here's one for you - the question I have asked TWICE of you that YOU have diverted...
Ready???
OK, New Age Spiritual Leader, here it is:
Why do you think the Book of Acts should not be in the Bible?
Amazing Saban, you did finally give me a straight answer. You have taken the first step in understanding Jesus' teachings. I hope you can keep this honesty rolling forward.

Okay so now that we can advance this discussion, you wrote:
"Your question, "Why do I think Paul was more enlightened than Jesus?" ----------> My answer once again:
Ready?? Are you sure? Yes? OK then...
Here it is...-------> I don't."
- okay you don't. Thanks for answering.
- Now since you don't, why do you think more value has been placed in "Paul", than with Jesus. The omission of GoThomas as part of the canon indicates that these teachings are lesser in value than of "Paul's letters" about Jesus. Why would anyone do this?

Well you sort of answered with this response:
"I think Paul's writings were inspired. I think God through the Holy Spirit was working through Paul. Therefore, I do not believe Paul's writings and Jesus' sayings could ever contradict."
- once again, I'm not discussing the contradictions, as I've already shown GiF in a previous post that "Paul" does teach what Jesus teaches in GoThomas, but it is Christianity that doesn't believe he does. So you opinion of "Paul" in this regard, is really not related and really is insignificant in a belief in Jesus. You do understand this, right? Meaning, if Jesus taught it already, what is the purpose of "Paul", especially when people have twisted "Paul's" preaching to mean something entirely different.

And then you went on to claim....

"My opinion is that Paul writings are neither more or less enlightened that Jesus' teachings. Why? Because they were the teachings Jesus wanted us to have. Happened to be through Paul."
- yes - just an opinion that you have instilled "faith" into, so you can believe the tales of other men. This is nothing new Saban. People have been doing this for centuries. The point you still miss is if Jesus is the "main focus of your belief", "Paul's" preaching doesn't matter. Unless you believe "Paul" over Jesus.

If you don't - and place "Paul" as 'neither more or less enlightened than Jesus", then why haven't you place "Paul" at the same significance as you have with just believing in half of what Jesus taught.

As you can see - it just doesn't add up. This is the contradiction you refuse to acknowledge.

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Location hidden

#426223 Mar 7, 2013
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No, since LTM clearly stated that the RCC doesn't believe a word of the Bible.
I need something from the RCC where they say they don't believe in the Bible.
Sorry, Uncle disciple-LTM owns this one.
Do Catholics follow all of the teaching of the Bible?? Yes or no...
disciple

Murrieta, CA

#426224 Mar 7, 2013
Dan wrote:
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No, since LTM clearly stated that the RCC doesn't believe a word of the Bible.
I need something from the RCC where they say they don't believe in the Bible.
Sorry, Uncle disciple-LTM owns this one.
Why would you need that? Couldn't you use some of the teachings to answer that?
Just saying. I'm not looking for a long discussion here.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#426225 Mar 7, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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Do Catholics follow all of the teaching of the Bible?? Yes or no...
Too general a question.

No Christian follows "all" the teachings of the Bible.(i.e. admonitions against mixed fabric in clothing. etc.)

Yes, Catholics follow the teachings of the Bible as interpreted by the Church.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#426226 Mar 7, 2013
disciple wrote:
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Why would you need that? Couldn't you use some of the teachings to answer that?
Just saying. I'm not looking for a long discussion here.
Why would I need a citation from the RCC to verify their teachings about the Bible?

Because LTM said they don't believe in it. At all.

I want proof of that statement.

Just saying.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#426227 Mar 7, 2013
Dan wrote:
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He'd say what John said in 2 John:
4 It has given me great joy to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father commanded us. 5 And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had from the beginning. I ask that we love one another. 6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.
Of course..

The passage above is talking about christians and the passage below says to still away from them those who don't teach about Christ. You catholics make excuses for anyone of your leaders that looks like a clown.

2 John 1:9 Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, 11 for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

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Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#426228 Mar 7, 2013
disciple wrote:
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Since you start with a hot air statement I will not answer any of your moronic post.
James Madison and Thomas Jefferson were called the “Champions of Religious Freedom for a reason. Nothing to do with all the wasted space you took from this thread.
Read and learn something for a change. Get a clue of what "separation of church and state" means.
You sound like you wnat to whine about my post, but won't answer it, and instead continue to post insults.

Yep - you deserve Christianity, as much as any other so-called "Christian" - it seems it breeds hatred and transgressions against others.

Not a problem, that is the main reason on why I became a non-Christian. I just couldn't handle others continuing to tell me these things or what to believe.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#426229 Mar 7, 2013
disciple wrote:
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Why would you need that? Couldn't you use some of the teachings to answer that?
Just saying. I'm not looking for a long discussion here.
It won't be a long discussion.

Here's what they believe the Creed-every stated belief is scriptural.

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

Intellectually lazy people such as LTM and yourself refuse to actually see what the RCC DOES believe and teach-the Catechism. It's all online-the same place you look for and gather your anti-Catholic drivel.

To wit-the intro to an entire SECTION of the Catechism:

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__PO.HT...

SACRED SCRIPTURE

I. Christ - The Unique Word of Sacred Scripture

101 In order to reveal himself to men, in the condescension of his goodness God speaks to them in human words: "Indeed the words of God, expressed in the words of men, are in every way like human language, just as the Word of the eternal Father, when he took on himself the flesh of human weakness, became like men."63

102 Through all the words of Sacred Scripture, God speaks only one single Word, his one Utterance in whom he expresses himself completely:64

You recall that one and the same Word of God extends throughout Scripture, that it is one and the same Utterance that resounds in the mouths of all the sacred writers, since he who was in the beginning God with God has no need of separate syllables; for he is not subject to time.65

103 For this reason, the Church has always venerated the Scriptures as she venerates the Lord's Body. She never ceases to present to the faithful the bread of life, taken from the one table of God's Word and Christ's Body.66

104 In Sacred Scripture, the Church constantly finds her nourishment and her strength, for she welcomes it not as a human word, "but as what it really is, the word of God".67 "In the sacred books, the Father who is in heaven comes lovingly to meet his children, and talks with them."68
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For people who "don't believe a word" of it, they sure waste a lot of time talking about it, don't they?

Thanks for the time, Mensa.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#426230 Mar 7, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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Of course..
The passage above is talking about christians and the passage below says to still away from them those who don't teach about Christ. You catholics make excuses for anyone of your leaders that looks like a clown.
2 John 1:9 Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, 11 for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.
Showing people respect doesn't make anyone look like a "clown".

Castigating someone for doing it, on the other hand, does seem clownish.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#426231 Mar 7, 2013
Dan wrote:
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He was showing respect to the delegation.
2 John 1:9 Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house OR GIVE HIM ANY GREETING, 11 for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

Can you read Danny what does this say "OR GIVE HIM ANY GREETING"

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