Clay wrote initially:
The bread used at mass is just bread, until the prayers of the Priest - which repeat the words of Jesus Christ - "THIS IS my body....do THIS in memory of me" are performed, then it becomes the Eucharist, which according to Jesus Christ, is Him.
Mary is the Mother of Jesus Christ. Therefore, its appropriate that Mary would also be the Mother of The Eucharist (Jesus Christ).
Saban wanted to clarify, so he wrote:
It's symbolism Clay. He's the door too, but He's made of wood, we don't knock on Him and he doesn't have hinges. It's symbolism. Participating in the Lord's Supper on "the first day of the week" is a memorial, not the real body, not the real blood. The church is the body.
Dan didn't want to be left out, so he wrote:
He (Christ) didn't say it was a memorial, though.
He repeated the teaching several times and didn't clarify as to it being symbolic even when followers grumbled and departed.
This is where we Catholics get very confused. "Bible alone" protestants have built an entire theology out of one line in Timothy, yet they work very hard to deny Christ's very clear teaching in John about the Eucharist. It's perhaps Christ's most emphatic teaching, yet we are to believe that He was being allegorical or whatever, even when He recognized that His followers were having a hard time following His message and some were leaving?
That's a tough, tough sell, Saban.
In which Oxbow then jumped in with:
He also said: Mt 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Know anybody whom have lobbed off their right hand because it offended them????!!!!
And then "Dan", to show his confusion, decided to mix it up a little and divert from Matt to John, to discuss the feeding of the multitudes. Probably to show that there was no symbolism in this either, but in turn probably is trying to show that the "miracle" occurred, and was not symbolism....
But in truth - it is still "metaphorical", as it goes very well with what I posted earlier about the mustard seed.<quoted text>
You didn't answer my question.
On what basis do you declare John 6 to be metaphorical?
(1) The disciples said to Jesus: "Tell us whom the kingdom of heaven is like!"
(2) He said to them: "It is like a mustard seed.
(3) <It> is the smallest of all seeds.
(4) But when it falls on cultivated soil, it produces a large branch
(and) becomes shelter for the birds of the sky."
He planted his words (the mustard seed is symbolized in GoJohn by the fish and bread) into the minds of his followers (the "multitude" in GoJohn), and in GoThomas (the "cultivated soil"), and when he was finished, they were filled and even had an over abundance of leftovers (the 12 baskets)- also represented in GoThomas as "a large branch" that became "shelter" for the birds of the sky (people of this spiritual faith).
You really should try to apply Jesus' teachings to yourself, instead of always thinking that others are trying to change your belief. You should expand upon it.