Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.
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LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#424716 Feb 25, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
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John 2: 3-6 "And when they ran out of wine, the mother of Jesus said to Him,'They have no wine.' Jesus said to her,'Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me.? My hour has not yet come." His mother said to the servants,'Whatever He says to you, do it." Now there were set there six water pots of stone, according to the manner of purification of the Jews, containing twenty or thirty gallons apiece."' ANSWER: Although the fermented and unfermented wines are translated from the same original word, the Biblical context establishes that no alcoholic drink is approved in God's Word. Jesus certainly would not go contrary to the Old Testament Scriptures which specifically forbade fermented wine. Proverbs 20:1 and Proverbs 23:29-32 indisputably condemn the use of alcoholic beverage. Would Christ disobey the Scriptures? It is unconceivable. It is true that wine is often approved for use in the Bible, but this is the pure juice of the grape without fermentation. Here is evidence that this kind of wine is a blessing: "Thus says the Lord:'As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one says,'Do not destroy it, for a blessing is in it,' so will I do for My servants' sake, that I may not destroy them all"' Isaiah 65:8. This wine is "in the cluster," or fresh from the grape. It is a blessing, but not the "strong wine," "mixed wine," or alcoholic beverage.
Thank you 7th for that information.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#424717 Feb 25, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
I haven't looked at the link yet, but I've heard about some crazy things in the 'book of Thomas'.
"I haven't looked at the link yet," - Of course you hadn't. It isn't in the prescribed literary basis of the men you follow. I understand.
"but I've heard about some crazy things in the 'book of Thomas'"
- You have? Like what? Do you always believe everything you hear, without researching it? You know, like your religion?

- if you had, you wouldn't be a "Christian".
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>If the link refers to it, Are there any correlations between that book or other NT books referring back to it?


Of course there is.

"In the other four gospels, Jesus is frequently called upon to explain the meanings of parables or the correct procedure for prayer. In Thomas saying 6, his disciples ask him, "Do you want us to fast? How should we pray? Should we give alms? What diet should we observe?" For reasons unknown, Jesus's answer is found in saying 14, wherein he advises against fasting, praying, and the giving of alms (all contrary to Christian practice of the time), although he does take a position similar to that in Mark 7: 18–19 and Matthew 15:11 that what goes into the mouth will not defile a person, but what comes out of the mouth will. This is just one example in Thomas in which the hearer's attention is directed away from objectified judgements of the world to knowing oneself in direct and straighforward manner, which is sometimes called being "as a child" or "a little one" through the unification of dualistic thinking and modes of objectification.(For example, Sayings 22 and 37) To portray the breaking down of the dualistic perspective Jesus uses the image of fire which consumes all.(See Sayings 10 and 82).

The teaching of salvation (i.e., entering the Kingdom of Heaven) that is found in The Gospel of Thomas is neither that of "works" nor of "grace" as the dichotomy is found in the canonical gospels, but what might be called a third way, that of insight. The overriding concern of The Gospel of Thomas is to find the light within in order to be a light unto the world.(See for example, Sayings 24, 26)

In contrast to the Gospel of John, where Jesus is likened to a (divine and beloved) Lord as in ruler, the Thomas gospel portrays Jesus as more the ubiquitous vehicle of spiritual inspiration and enlightenment, as in saying 77:

I am the light that shines over all things. I am everything. From me all came forth, and to me all return. Split a piece of wood, and I am there. Lift a stone, and you will find me there.

In many other respects, the Thomas gospel offers terse yet familiar if not identical accounts of the sayings of Jesus as seen in the synoptic gospels.[67]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Thomas...
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>What evidence is there that the book is inspired?
"all scripture is inspired by God" - I think it has been said a couple of times.

Unless, you don't think men can't determine "God's mind"?

I personally think they CAN'T.
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#424718 Feb 25, 2013
GBA wrote:
The three main branches of Christianity are Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant (some would add Anglican as a fourth). Most of the denominations that exist today developed in the 500 years since the Protestant Reformation and fall under the "Protestant" branch.
There are about 9,000 Protestant Christian denominations in the world.
Facts according to the World Christian Encyclopedia, published by Oxford University Press.
I wonder which of the 9000 denominations that sprung up in just the last 500 years is correct?
Correct by whose standards, and by what measures?

Morality?

Virtue?

Dogma and ritual?

Mankind can generally agree on morality and virtue. It's the dogma and ritual which has always been divisive and unclear.

How unclear, arbitrary and exclusive do you want your god to be?
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#424719 Feb 25, 2013
Correct by who's standards, and by what measures?
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#424720 Feb 25, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Like I said, you guys instilled a perception in your minds about the CC.
Now, if I walked into a Pagan church where they were actually worshiping false gods, I would feel uneasy. But that's based on factual data. They worship false gods!
Your uneasy feelings is based on what you THINK we do. Or worse, what you WANT to think we do.
Its a bit childish to look at a beautiful image or statue and think it somehow offends God. I mean, you really really have to submit to a lot of ignorance to subscribe to that
Most absurd post of day....

Clay writes -- "But that's based on factual data. They worship false gods!"

Smell the coffee Clay. If the RCC had any "factual data" on God, they wouldn't be a comedy club topic worldwide.

There is no factual data on God. It's called "faith" for a reason.

The only factual data the RCC claims to possess (if you believe church-approved, church promoted miracles and apparitions) is kept away from independent, modern scientific scrutiny.

Jesus didn't provide "factual data" and evidence to the RCC to save souls, only to have it hidden.

Nope, it's called fraud.
GBA

Royal Oak, MI

#424721 Feb 25, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct by whose standards, and by what measures?
Morality?
Virtue?
Dogma and ritual?
Mankind can generally agree on morality and virtue. It's the dogma and ritual which has always been divisive and unclear.
How unclear, arbitrary and exclusive do you want your god to be?
Exactly, all 9000 think they are correct and the other 8999 are wrong. Which is why I left Protestantism behind. Everytime I went to a different church depending on the denomination the standards, measures, morality, virtue, dogma, rituals changed.

Each denomination claims theirs is right and the others wrong.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#424727 Feb 25, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I wonder who's bones were in it? It must have been someone important.
At the Cathedral of Saint Paul, MN there is some bone fragments of the Apostle Paul inside the alter. I guess the appropriate thing to do if we get to see it inside the glass, would be to light a candle and say a prayer. This sign of respect for the Saint shouldn't gross you out.
A couple weeks ago, they displayed some of the stones from Pauls tomb. It was neat seeing the very rocks that was part of this Apostles resting place.
Clay---just curious!! How often do you go to the Cathedral of St. Paul! I often go there from the West Minneapolis area for prayer intentions, Mass, prayer and confession!.... A number of years back, 3 of my children went to and graduated from St Agnes School, before Providence Academy was built. Always enjoy your comments. You have more patience than I do with these bible only editorializing "fundies"! Would like to meet up sometime! Thanks and Gods Blessing to you and your family during this season of Lent!!
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#424728 Feb 25, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Why are you diverting from answering the question?
Let's try it again.
Do you now find Luke more enlightened than Jesus?
Why don't you believe in all of what Jesus taught?
<quoted text>
I didn't ask for a text book explanation.
I asked you for your opinion - not "Paul's".
Saban fan wrote:
"To answer your last question, I believe everything that Jesus taught."
But yet you in truth - don't. You don't accept none of these teachings are his of his origin:
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlalpha.html
Where are Jesus' teachings on what you state above?
Why do you find "Paul" and "Luke" more enlightened than first hand accounts by Thomas - of what Jesus spoke?
Using honesty.....if you are able....you should be able to give a straight answer.
C'mon - you can do it.
If you are asking for my opinion and "not Paul's" than you are seeking knowledge from the wrong place. My opinion doesn't matter. Men's opinions don't matter.
Guest55

Sikeston, MO

#424729 Feb 25, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>I beleive in a know so Salvation. and I said that a peson that is Saved will go to heaven.
nothing in those words indicate a belief in a doctrine of OSAS as you have tried to say that I have posted the likes of that doctrine in the past.
SO I WILL REINTRATE MY WORDS AGAIN TO HELP YOUR FEEBLE AND CARNAL MIND.
IF I STAY SAVED WHEN I DIE, I WILL ENTER INTO HEAVEN, HOWEVER IF MY LIFE IS SIMILIAR TO WHAT YOU LEAD WITH YOUR FILTHY MOUTH, CHANCES ARE POOR AND SLIM AND SLIM JUST LEFT TOWN.
Well, to be such a "know so" sort of feller you sure have alot of "if's" to deal with.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#424730 Feb 25, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are asking for my opinion and "not Paul's" than you are seeking knowledge from the wrong place. My opinion doesn't matter. Men's opinions don't matter.
But yet you believe what men have decided.

Hmmmm....a bit of a conundrum is what it sounds like.

A paradox for the uninformed.

What are you going to do about it? Remember, your choice determines your salvation.....'member?

Why don't you believe Jesus?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#424731 Feb 25, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are asking for my opinion and "not Paul's" than you are seeking knowledge from the wrong place. My opinion doesn't matter. Men's opinions don't matter.
By the way - I wasn't asking your opinion besides "Paul", I was asking why do you think "Paul" was more enlightened than Jesus.

Again, you've failed to answer honestly.

A perfect follower for an dishonest religion.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#424732 Feb 25, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
"I haven't looked at the link yet," - Of course you hadn't. It isn't in the prescribed literary basis of the men you follow. I understand.
"but I've heard about some crazy things in the 'book of Thomas'"
- You have? Like what? Do you always believe everything you hear, without researching it? You know, like your religion?
- if you had, you wouldn't be a "Christian".
<quoted text>
Of course there is.
"In the other four gospels, Jesus is frequently called upon to explain the meanings of parables or the correct procedure for prayer. In Thomas saying 6, his disciples ask him, "Do you want us to fast? How should we pray? Should we give alms? What diet should we observe?" For reasons unknown, Jesus's answer is found in saying 14, wherein he advises against fasting, praying, and the giving of alms (all contrary to Christian practice of the time), although he does take a position similar to that in Mark 7: 18–19 and Matthew 15:11 that what goes into the mouth will not defile a person, but what comes out of the mouth will. This is just one example in Thomas in which the hearer's attention is directed away from objectified judgements of the world to knowing oneself in direct and straighforward manner, which is sometimes called being "as a child" or "a little one" through the unification of dualistic thinking and modes of objectification.(For example, Sayings 22 and 37) To portray the breaking down of the dualistic perspective Jesus uses the image of fire which consumes all.(See Sayings 10 and 82).
The teaching of salvation (i.e., entering the Kingdom of Heaven) that is found in The Gospel of Thomas is neither that of "works" nor of "grace" as the dichotomy is found in the canonical gospels, but what might be called a third way, that of insight. The overriding concern of The Gospel of Thomas is to find the light within in order to be a light unto the world.(See for example, Sayings 24, 26)
In contrast to the Gospel of John, where Jesus is likened to a (divine and beloved) Lord as in ruler, the Thomas gospel portrays Jesus as more the ubiquitous vehicle of spiritual inspiration and enlightenment, as in saying 77:
I am the light that shines over all things. I am everything. From me all came forth, and to me all return. Split a piece of wood, and I am there. Lift a stone, and you will find me there.
In many other respects, the Thomas gospel offers terse yet familiar if not identical accounts of the sayings of Jesus as seen in the synoptic gospels.[67]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Thomas...
<quoted text>
"all scripture is inspired by God" - I think it has been said a couple of times.
Unless, you don't think men can't determine "God's mind"?
I personally think they CAN'T.
So somewhere along the way man was able to get in the way of the inspired message God intended us to have?

Also, you seem to believe our infinite creator couldn't deliver us a message we could understand. How can you limit Him so?

Your getting awfully close to exceeding Preston on the meter he's had a comfortable lead on for a while.

BTW,
It looked like you sent me to a link full of other links - after checking it more closely - you did.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#424733 Feb 25, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Clay---just curious!! How often do you go to the Cathedral of St. Paul! I often go there from the West Minneapolis area for prayer intentions, Mass, prayer and confession!.... A number of years back, 3 of my children went to and graduated from St Agnes School, before Providence Academy was built. Always enjoy your comments. You have more patience than I do with these bible only editorializing "fundies"! Would like to meet up sometime! Thanks and Gods Blessing to you and your family during this season of Lent!!
"Lent" another man made religious event.
truth

Perth, Australia

#424734 Feb 25, 2013
how is looks very nice i see that face..yes whats happen with them..i see its going around, planeta ima plast oko sebe..oh i did not see color proply ..i think everything gray..but not necessary..body laying down i see face ..no..i can't believe is this face from humans..if yes then must be deference condition..did they try tell me something.. yes..i just receive one words no i am not wrote that..but i see few picture movement..i am very tired for explanation.Must be something happened with them..or they telepathic have impact over my mind ..maybe they try tell me something.
https://www.google.com.au/search...

vidila sam lice ali ulezecem polozaju..
by
truth

Perth, Australia

#424735 Feb 25, 2013
dusa mi je jaka i cvrsta
a tilo slabo umorno..moram vise hodati
pitat cu sina dali je on primio nesto
obicno primi telepatly..much more then me

vidijela sam lijepo lice, zasto je u lezecem polozaju
prvo sam vidila kao nesto leti zatim
https://www.google.com.au/search...
dali su toliko udaljeni ili oko nas..da..no no no nije me strah..u nicem neosjecam strah..imam osjecaj da sam u tijelu i mislima oslobodena od straha.
truth

Perth, Australia

#424736 Feb 25, 2013
vidila sam lijepo lice
prikazalo zatim opet..da..nemam osjecaj straha..no
Koliko je daleko od mene?
truth

Perth, Australia

#424737 Feb 25, 2013
vidila sam kako leti nesto okruglo
lijepo zatim opet onda malo vise nesto vise
ne nije me starh..neosjecam strah u nicemu..neznam zasto sam oslobodena straha ali nije me strah na nikakvu pomisao..
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#424738 Feb 25, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
By the way - I wasn't asking your opinion besides "Paul", I was asking why do you think "Paul" was more enlightened than Jesus.
Again, you've failed to answer honestly.
A perfect follower for an dishonest religion.
I answered you with an honest answer. You want me to lie?

Who's dishonest? The one that answers a question or the one that will not listen to and accept an answer and keeps asking the same question?
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#424739 Feb 25, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
But yet you believe what men have decided.
Hmmmm....a bit of a conundrum is what it sounds like.
A paradox for the uninformed.
What are you going to do about it? Remember, your choice determines your salvation.....'member?
Why don't you believe Jesus?
Sounds like you want me to believe what YOU'VE decided. You a man?
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#424740 Feb 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
You told Clay to use "common sense" respective to a scriptural matter. What you call "smart alec", I call "reading your post".
You persist here in appealing to my "common sense" instead of simply adhereing to scripture, which you do "all the time", except when I ask you to provide it. Bible verses all day untill I ask for them. Then, you refuse to do it.
Again, for the final time, when is wine actually not wine even when the Bible calls it "wine"?
The passage in question is excerpted below. While you're finding where "wine" actually isn't "wine" when it says it is, I'd also like a citation that tells us that the guests are "already drunk". I can't seem to find that here.
Best of luck.
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Jesus Changes Water Into Wine
2 On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus’ mother was there, 2 and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. 3 When the wine was gone, Jesus’ mother said to him,“They have no more wine.”
4 “Woman,[a] why do you involve me?” Jesus replied.“My hour has not yet come.”
5 His mother said to the servants,“Do whatever he tells you.”
6 Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons.[b]
7 Jesus said to the servants,“Fill the jars with water”; so they filled them to the brim.
8 Then he told them,“Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet.”
They did so, 9 and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside 10 and said,“Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”
11 What Jesus did here in Cana of Galilee was the first of the signs through which he revealed his glory; and his disciples believed in him.
Wow Dan, Dan, Dan, What can I say with all the evidence and Bible scriptures all the testemonies, you are still in denial of what the Gospel of Jesus Christ .
You have accepted the lie as truth, and truth as a lie.
There is not much else to say to you, however I wish you well and pray God will free you from the religeous bondage the catholic church has snagged you in.

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