Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 20 comments on the Jul 10, 2007, CBC News story titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#424189 Feb 22, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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Acts 2:38
So Luke is more enlightened than Jesus, too?

Why?
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#424190 Feb 22, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Ok, Chuckie, read the words to this song and think about it:
My precious Savior suffered pain and agony
He bore it all (Freely bore it all)
That I might live (I with Him might live)----(SPIRITUALLY)
He broke the bonds of sin and set the captive free---(FREED US)
He bore it all that I might live (in His presence live)---(SPIRITUALLY LIVE---IN HIS PRESENCE---HEAVEN)
Chorus:
He bore it all (Jesus bore it all) that I might see His shining face
He bore it all (Freely bore it all)
That I might live (I with Him might live)
~~~I stood condemned to die but Jesus took my place~~~(WHY? STILL IN SINS)
He bore it all that I might live (in His presence live)
They placed a crown of thorns upon my Savior's head
He bore it all (Freely bore it all)
That I might live (I with Him might live)
My cruel man, with spear, his side was pierced and bled
He bore it all that I might live (in His presence live)
Repeat Chorus
Up Calvary's hill in shame the blessed Savior trod
He bore it all (Freely bore it all)
That I might live (I with Him might live)
Between two thieves they crucified the Son of God
He bore it all that I might live (in His presence live)
Repeat Chorus (x2)
1 Peter 2:24
24 “He himself bore our sins”[[[[[in his body]]]]] on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.”
in His body.....now....
We are baptized INTO His death, burial and resurrection....
WHY???
Did you even read my post, Chuckie???

die to sins......

How do you think that we DIE TO SINS????
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#424191 Feb 22, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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Jesus had the power to save in person. Someone posted several verses that highlighted this point within the past day.
Also, no one could say for certain that the thief had never been baptized. Everyone always assumes he had never been.
We are under the rules established after Jesus' resurrection when the church began at Pentecost. And, Paul informs that there is one baptism. The Eunuch saw much water and after confessing he believed with all his heart that Jesus was the son of God he was baptized (Acts 8:34-39).
What is the one baptism? Why?
So your saying Jesus is not saving today because He is not here in Person.
If Water Baspism saves us why did Jesus have to die, if all I needed was have a bath to be saved.
The Eunch was saved because 'HE BELIEVED IN JESUS' WATER BAPTISM CAME AFTER HE BELIEVED IN JESUS WITH ALL HIS HEART, SO HIS SALVATION WAS BEFORE WATER BAPTISM.
WE ARE SAVED THROUGH FAITH, NOT OF WORKS.

WATER BAPTISM IS A WORKS SADAN, THAT WE DO BECAUSE OF OUR FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS .
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#424192 Feb 22, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
097 057
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Horse puckette!!!!!
Grits and eggs......lol....
guest

United States

#424193 Feb 22, 2013
It is no surprise to me that you took my statement out of context. It's what Catholics *do*.
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In order to keep my post intact, I'm taking your original quote of mine - in the same manner you quoted me, and I'm making a quick reply - and then I am re-entering my original post below so it is accurately quoted. When you leave out key words, meaning can be misconstrued.
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guest wrote:
These books were added by the Catholic Church ... with the Pope's approval.
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Why did you quote me out of context? And more importantly, why do the leaders of the Catholic Church think they can continually do this sort of thing and never be questioned?
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I know the answer, so it's a rhetorical question: They are used to getting their way because they claim apostolic succession allows their sole and exclusive interpretation of Holy Scripture.
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Justice wrote:
The church chose the canon of scripture, which books were inspired at the end of the 4th century.
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JUSTICE SAID:
“The
CHURCH
CHOSE
the
CANON
of
scripture,
which books were inspired at the end of the 4th Century.”
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Which is what I said. The CHURCH added scripture!
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The
HEBREW CANON …...
…......... WAS CLOSED! For approximately 800 years before the Roman Catholic Church set about deciding on its own what books should be included.
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guest wrote:
Clay: "No Pope has added to sacred scripture. They do not have the authority to do so. No one has."
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of course, Clay. So tell me so I can understand this:
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When the church was "compiling" the scripture ... approximately 800 years AFTER Jewish canon of scripture was closed ... did the Jews of their day come by and say, "Yo! Dudes! somehow we forgot these books - so here they are and you need to add them into the Hebrew scriptures.":
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Tobit
Judith
1 Maccabees
2 Maccabees
Wisdom
Sirach
Baruch
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I don't think so. These books were added by the Catholic Church ... with the Pope's approval.
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THE IMPORTANT POINT to make here - is the Jewish canon was closed almost 800 years before the RCC added those 7 books.
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The Jewish canon is *still *- TO THIS DAY –*closed* for additional writings; the books which were included at the time of closure HAVE NOT CHANGED in 2,400 YEARS.
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IOW – The Jewish people did not add those 7 books at any time to their Hebrew scriptures and no-one else has the right to re-write the Jewish Bible.
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So. Only those books now in the LONGSTANDING and SURVIVING JEWISH CANON have any credible, solid claim for canonicity.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#424194 Feb 22, 2013
chuck wrote:
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We can have forgiveness because of the Blood of Christ and His sacrifice at the Cross. We acknowledge we are sinners, repent, and receive Christ by faith.
If we do not repent, if we do not put our faith in Christ, we are condemned and it ain't got nothing to do with baptism.
How do we die to sins, Chuckie???

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#424195 Feb 22, 2013
185
chuck wrote:
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Is this where I can find someone being condemned because they weren't baptized?
After being born again...we are baptized. Baptisms is a public announcement that we are now his disciples and sons of God.

If you are baptized before being born again....all you are doing is getting wet...there is no saving power in water!!!!!
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#424196 Feb 22, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>yes i'm doing ok i'm back to normal,and yes i'm going full steam ahead with this complaint,hopefully something will be done,and as far as going back with my ex-g/f i'm not sure i want to,the only sad thing is,she has the dog and i don't an i became very attached to the dog,i miss her more than i do my g/f. she is the best thing that ever came into my life on 4 legs,she's up to knowing and following perfectly 32 different commands,it's like she loves to learn,very eager,cause she does not try to walk away and not do it she sits right there and looks at you as if to say well i learned that one, what's next? no joke,she is extremely intelligent.
I am glad, Jethro, that you are getting back to normal.....

Glad that you are going ahead with this complaint.....

Just take it one day at a time, and maybe you will be able to talk things out with your g/f and get back together.....

I know how it is with dogs....they are just like having a child....we have one and he is just like part of our family and love him very much.....he also does tricks....not as many as your dog.....

Keep your chin up.....
guest

United States

#424197 Feb 22, 2013
http://news.yahoo.com/did-cross-dressing-prie...

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http://bible.cc/revelation/18-4.htm

Then I heard another voice from heaven say: "Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#424198 Feb 22, 2013
LTM wrote:
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So your saying Jesus is not saving today because He is not here in Person.
If Water Baspism saves us why did Jesus have to die, if all I needed was have a bath to be saved.
The Eunch was saved because 'HE BELIEVED IN JESUS' WATER BAPTISM CAME AFTER HE BELIEVED IN JESUS WITH ALL HIS HEART, SO HIS SALVATION WAS BEFORE WATER BAPTISM.
WE ARE SAVED THROUGH FAITH, NOT OF WORKS.
WATER BAPTISM IS A WORKS SADAN, THAT WE DO BECAUSE OF OUR FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS .
Water baptism is the working of God, LTM.....

1 Corinthians 12:6

6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.

Colossians 2:12

12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.

How do we DIE to sins, LTM???
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#424199 Feb 22, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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And yet there is Acts 2:38 that explains it and the reason for it perfectly.
Acts 2:38

King James Version (KJV)


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

WHAT DOES REPENT MEAN TO YOU SABAN. WHAT DOES REMISSION MEAN TO YOU

To believe in Jesus Christ as your LORD and savior means that you desire to obey Him--that's what we mean when we call Him LORD. Obeying Him means that we are changing our behavior to become more like Christ. That is repentance, and it goes hand-in-hand with beliving in Jesus as your LORD and savior.

The Remission of Sins


"And such (sinners) were some of you: but ye are
washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are
justified, in the name of the Lord Jesus,
and by the Spirit of our God." (I Corinthians 6:11)

No mention of water baptism here:

..." Make no mistake, this washing is for the inner man, who has been in bondage to sin all his life; and it is accomplished by the heavenly (spiritual) baptism, "BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST, AND WITH FIRE"
WATER BAPTISM IS FROM JOHN THE BAPTIST, BAPTISM IN THE HOLY GHOST AND FIRE IS FROM JESUS . DID NOT JOHN THE BAPTIST TELL YOU THAT.

"the washing of regeneration;" but rather, the renewed state is the result of "the washing of regeneration." So it is evident that receiving the holy Ghost is what gives us the true remission of sins, and thus a renewed life, by means of a new birth. But what about the part in I Cor. 6:11 that says "in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Water baptism also gives the believer the opportunity to openly testify to others of his born-again experience. It serves as an outward sign and testimony of an inward grace. The believer has been crucified with Christ, buried with Him and raised together with Him to walk in newness of life (Galatians 2:20; Romans 6:4).

If you believe you were saved because of water baptism you were not.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#424200 Feb 22, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Water baptism is the working of God, LTM.....
1 Corinthians 12:6
6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.
Colossians 2:12
12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.
How do we DIE to sins, LTM???
Sorry "Truth" we get baptized because we believe in Jesus as Lord and Savior.
Read what I post to Saban.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#424201 Feb 22, 2013
People have confused water baptism with the baptism into the Body of Christ (being saved). In Acts 2, when Peter preached about the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus, he said:“Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost”(verse 38). When a person is born again, he is baptized by the Holy Spirit into the Body of Christ. This is not water baptism. Water baptism is not the baptism that saves. It is the precious blood that Jesus shed on the cross, not water, which cleanses us from sin.(See Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 9:22; Revelation 1:5.)

A person must be baptized into the Body of Christ (saved) before water baptism. For without first making Jesus Lord and believing that God raised Him from the dead, water baptism would have no purpose. Water baptism is an experience after salvation to confirm and strengthen your commitment to live a godly life.
The baptismal waters represent a burial ground. When you’re buried with Christ in baptism, you are proclaiming to heaven, earth and hell that the old you no longer exists. To be buried with Jesus means that your old self died to sin just as Jesus did when He was made sin for us (Romans 6:3, 6, 10-12). That’s why we are immersed. It’s a picture of burial.

Coming up out of the water signifies our being raised to new life in Christ. To be raised with Jesus means making Him Lord of every area of your life—spirit, soul and body. You’ve been bought with the blood of Jesus and you belong to Him. Every day you now ask,“Lord, where do You want me to go? What do You want me to say? What do You want me to be? Not my will, but Thy will be done.”


Romans 6:11-13 now becomes a very important scripture to us:“Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.”
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#424202 Feb 22, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Acts 2:38
King James Version (KJV)
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
WHAT DOES REPENT MEAN TO YOU SABAN. WHAT DOES REMISSION MEAN TO YOU
To believe in Jesus Christ as your LORD and savior means that you desire to obey Him--that's what we mean when we call Him LORD. Obeying Him means that we are changing our behavior to become more like Christ. That is repentance, and it goes hand-in-hand with beliving in Jesus as your LORD and savior.
The Remission of Sins
"And such (sinners) were some of you: but ye are
washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are
justified, in the name of the Lord Jesus,
and by the Spirit of our God." (I Corinthians 6:11)
No mention of water baptism here:
..." Make no mistake, this washing is for the inner man, who has been in bondage to sin all his life; and it is accomplished by the heavenly (spiritual) baptism, "BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST, AND WITH FIRE"
WATER BAPTISM IS FROM JOHN THE BAPTIST, BAPTISM IN THE HOLY GHOST AND FIRE IS FROM JESUS . DID NOT JOHN THE BAPTIST TELL YOU THAT.
"the washing of regeneration;" but rather, the renewed state is the result of "the washing of regeneration." So it is evident that receiving the holy Ghost is what gives us the true remission of sins, and thus a renewed life, by means of a new birth. But what about the part in I Cor. 6:11 that says "in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Water baptism also gives the believer the opportunity to openly testify to others of his born-again experience. It serves as an outward sign and testimony of an inward grace. The believer has been crucified with Christ, buried with Him and raised together with Him to walk in newness of life (Galatians 2:20; Romans 6:4).
If you believe you were saved because of water baptism you were not.
Romans 6:4

4 We were therefore buried with him through ~~~~~baptism [[[[[into death]]]]]~~~~~ in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

Notice in this scripture:

buried with Him through......BAPTISM INTO DEATH......

It doesn't say baptized into His death and/or baptism into Jesus Christ......

It says....baptism *into death*.....

There are two (2) different deaths here in Romans 6.....

What are the two (2) different deaths???

How do we die to sin???
pickled peckers 4 jesus

Pittston, PA

#424203 Feb 22, 2013
the vatican also says that the elderly pope benidict shits in his pants, with that the true reason he gotta go.
marge

Ames, IA

#424204 Feb 22, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
How do we die to sins, Chuckie???
1 Peter 2:24
He personally carried our sins in his body on the cross so that we can be dead to sin and live for what is right. By his wounds you are healed.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#424205 Feb 22, 2013
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
1 Peter 2:24
He personally carried our sins in his body on the cross so that we can be dead to sin and live for what is right. By his wounds you are healed.
dead to sin....

How do you accomplish this, Marge???

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#424206 Feb 22, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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"Hurt a guy"??
- words can only be hurtful, if someone accepts them as such.
Like my post to hojo, since you interjected and seem to want to stick up for him, I'm not sure on how they have hurt you or him.
Please explain.
Well, that is if you have the ability to do so.
I'll wait for your response.
Thank for reading my post!
You are welcome. Evidently not too many people do.

You have got to be kidding me, right? I don't have a clue as to who hojo is and don't see any need to stick up for him. I was simply pointing out that calling someone a fundie is hitting below the belt. No one in their right mind would want to be labelled a Protestant evangelical fundie-mental-ist, which is why no one in their right mind is one. Um, it's pretty cut and dried, not really "discussion" material. Sorry. Maybe one of the nice "Christian" folks here will talk to you. Good luck.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#424207 Feb 22, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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BTW - I don't hate anyone, even hojo.
Though I find him to be uninformed, as much as you are, there is no hate involved.
In fact, I'm trying to help you both overcome your dishonesty towards yourself and others. Now that you've thrown in your dislike for me, I can assist you to overcome that as well.
What say you? Live in enlightenment or live in the darkness of the RCC and Christianity?
It is ultimately no one's choice, except your own.
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I am not RC. Try again.

Sorry.
pickled peckers 4 jesus

Pittston, PA

#424208 Feb 22, 2013
alessandro alfieri wrote:
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You are welcome. Evidently not too many people do.
You have got to be kidding me, right? I don't have a clue as to who hojo is and don't see any need to stick up for him. I was simply pointing out that calling someone a fundie is hitting below the belt. No one in their right mind would want to be labelled a Protestant evangelical fundie-mental-ist, which is why no one in their right mind is one. Um, it's pretty cut and dried, not really "discussion" material. Sorry. Maybe one of the nice "Christian" folks here will talk to you. Good luck.
fundie is hitting below the belt??

oh boo hoo---you must be mental to be sooo hurt.

i'm willing to be called a fundie-mental-ist....if you have a 18 yr old sister willing to blow me for it.

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