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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 692121 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#424294 Feb 23, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
GOD SAID..-->listen to Jesus<--
EXACTLY!! We as Catholics listen to Jesus, His own SPOKEN, STATED and EXPRESSED WORDS---"In the Gospels)--every day at Daily Mass..... We, not only listen to Him but we follow and adhere to His Words, His teachings and His "explicit directions" (every day) IN THE GOSPELS and the TRUTH that has been proclaimed, over and over again, for 2000 years of Church History in:

Matthew 16:13-21--re: His(only)One True (Universal-Catholic Church
John 6:47-59 --re: the Eucharist (Jesus' TRUE BODY AND BLOOD
Mark 4:1-re: baptism for the remission of sin-
Mark 16:16---re: he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved
John 1:31-re:I baptize with water, but HE will baptize with the HS

Why don't YOU, Confrinting, instead of just quoting "bible verses"----believe, follow, "act" on, and live the SPOKEN words of Jesus (each day)!!!

hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#424295 Feb 23, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
GOD SAID..-->listen to Jesus<--
Mat 17:4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Mat 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said,
-->This is my beloved Son,
in whom I am well pleased;
HEAR YE HIM . <--
THE APOSTLE PETER... WHOM YOU ALLEGE TO BE YOUR FIRST POPE
WROTE
2Pe 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
2Pe 1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
2Pe 1:12 Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.
2Pe 1:13 Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance;
2Pe 1:14 Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me.
2Pe 1:15 Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance.
-->NOTE <--
2Pe 1:16 --->For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. <---
2Pe 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
2Pe 1:18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
2Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto
ye do well that ye take heed,
as unto a light that shineth in a dark place,
until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that NO PROPHECY IN THE SCRIPTURE IS OF ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION...
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man:
but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
And God said--"don't listen to Confrinting--but listen to Jesus HIMSELF--- Which "IS"--THE TRUTH that is manifested in and through
my Son Jesus' One True Catholic Church-(which is HIS Bride (the Church). My Son's OWN SPOKEN WORDS-----"in" THE GOSPEL-----are the TRUTH that I gave you over 2000 years ago....Paul, also knew the TRUTH when he wrote in I Timothy 3:15, that "the Church (not the Bible only) is the pillar, pinnacle and foundation of the TRUTH!!
marge

Leesburg, GA

#424296 Feb 23, 2013
'The A-B-C's of Salvation'

A. Acknowledge self as sinner

B. Believe in Christ

C. Confess Christ as Saviour
Saban fan

Tucker, GA

#424297 Feb 23, 2013
LTM wrote:
SADAN:
You have , taken the saving Grace of God, because of His great love for us.
"Sent His Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ"
To die in our place upon a cross, and shed His Cleansing Blood, that who so ever believe in Him might be saved.
And claimed water is what saved you,'CHRIST SAVED YOU' CHRIST ONLY CHRIST.
WATER BAPTISM COMES AFTER THE FACT, THAT YOU HAVE BEEN BAPTIZED BY THE HOLY GHOST AND FIRE.
THAT PURGES YOUR SOUL FROM SIN.
WATER BAPTISM IS THE OUTWARD SIGH OF THAT, AND TO PROCLAIM TO THE WORLD THAT YOU ARE NOW THE ADOPTED SON OF GOD.
Ephesians 2:8-10
King James Version (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
WHAT IS IT ABOUT THIS SCRIPTURE THAT YOU AND CATHOLIC'S CAN'T OR DON'T UNDERSTAND.
You've created a strawman. I never said water saved me or that water can save you. There is no power in water the power comes from obedient faith.
Pad

Fishers, IN

#424298 Feb 23, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
<quoted text>That's what happens when protestants keep the TRADITIONS of the Catholic Church especially the RCC.
This is a response you made to Justice on 42 of this latter number series ending in 42. Very good response,but I would like to give everyone here something to think about.

Justice posted that the prots tortured and killed many RCs,later buned heretics and witches.WELL,of course anyone who does such things are murderers,and follows the inspiration of the Evil one.However we must take also in mind the apostate state of mind Roman Catholicism was in when even Luther challenged the Holy See of his day.The selling of indulgences,seems little,but was far worse was the whole idea of salvation as non-related to the Holy gospels and epistles,and of human origin,rather than that of the Eternal God.

For 6 centuries we know that the Inquisition lasted,nevertheless,before Luther the Inquisition and other types of persuasion the RCC used to oppress the whole of Europe lasted so long that most Encyclopedic info brings out the FACT,that the atmosphere in Europe was the worst ever recorded in its history.The Dark Ages may have included the plagues to add to the depressive climate of those times,but worse was the Bishops of the church who forced their will on the peoples of Europe,literally holding captive the kings and magistrates.

How can any humans respond to such a long period of years,and be N O R M A L?

We have no clue as to the hatred and despair so many human beings had for the Church of those times.People reacted to the final surge of the break from the Roman Church,that to many was a despot dictator.Think as well of the many men and women who were atheists and non-religious that joined with the religious against the Roman Church,and you have what later inflicted a death blow to the power of the RCC.
Saban fan

Tucker, GA

#424299 Feb 23, 2013
LTM wrote:
SADAN:
You have , taken the saving Grace of God, because of His great love for us.
"Sent His Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ"
To die in our place upon a cross, and shed His Cleansing Blood, that who so ever believe in Him might be saved.
And claimed water is what saved you,'CHRIST SAVED YOU' CHRIST ONLY CHRIST.
WATER BAPTISM COMES AFTER THE FACT, THAT YOU HAVE BEEN BAPTIZED BY THE HOLY GHOST AND FIRE.
THAT PURGES YOUR SOUL FROM SIN.
WATER BAPTISM IS THE OUTWARD SIGH OF THAT, AND TO PROCLAIM TO THE WORLD THAT YOU ARE NOW THE ADOPTED SON OF GOD.
Ephesians 2:8-10
King James Version (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
WHAT IS IT ABOUT THIS SCRIPTURE THAT YOU AND CATHOLIC'S CAN'T OR DON'T UNDERSTAND.
Is this your proof that baptism is 'a work'? I've heard 1000's of people claim it is, but they've never shown me the passage that says it is.

I've said before, if submitting to baptism is a work how could developing faith not be considered works? I would suggest developing the faith to believe Jesus is the Son of God requires study, or home"work". Just sayin....
Saban fan

Tucker, GA

#424300 Feb 23, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Saban,
Baptism is a work.....
But, it is the working of God and NOT of man....
I have shown the scriptures I don't know how many times but they do not read and believe God's word....
I agree with you.

It was no work that I did that saved me. He did the work. His grace saves me. I'm just submitting to His command and entering through the one "door".
chuck

Sunbury, OH

#424301 Feb 23, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
This is for Chuckie:
He that believeth not shall be condemned.
Condemnation comes when Christ and His will is rejected....
Thanks Hank...

Now give me the passage that says "He that is not baptized shall be condemned" Thanks

##Hank you believe the samething the Catholics do about baptism and now you`'re pulling Saban in too.
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#424302 Feb 23, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
You've created a strawman. I never said water saved me or that water can save you. There is no power in water the power comes from obedient faith.
Did you not say you have to be baptized with water to be saved.
If it wasn't you then I apologize Sadan.
I was sure I read a post were you and Preston, were discussing this very thing.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#424303 Feb 23, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did that come from?
Was Luke inspired?
Was Luke incorrect on some subject?
There are no contradictions.
Luke a third generation disciple, versus, Thomas a first Apostle, who also wrote down sayings by Jesus.

Yet Christianity doesn't recognize its teachings.

They prefer "Luke" over Thomas, and Jesus.

So, back to the original question.

Do you find "Luke" more enlightened than Jesus?
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#424304 Feb 23, 2013
chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks Hank...
Now give me the passage that says "He that is not baptized shall be condemned" Thanks
##Hank you believe the samething the Catholics do about baptism and now you`'re pulling Saban in too.
Hey Chuckie,

Hope your are having a nice Saturday.....

You have to remember, Chuckie, that we were already condemned....SIN....

John 3:17

17 For God did NOT send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

The world was already condemned....because of SIN (condemned).

There’s one reason why Jesus Christ came into this world and one reason only....that was to bring us (mankind) back to God.

There’s only one thing you can’t get without Christ and that’s saved.

Now, Christ died for the forgiveness of our sins.....death, burial and resurrection...HE BORE IT ALL!!!

We, also, have to die to sin......so...

How do we accomplish this act to die to sin???

BTW, I don't draw anyone in....the Word of God does that....
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#424305 Feb 23, 2013
Chuckie,

Remember this....

we (sinners) are going from the corruptible (IN SIN) to the incorruptible (SPIRITUAL SAVED CONDITION IN CHRIST JESUS when we are baptized.)

Going from the ungodly to being godly.

Going from a sinner to a Saint.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#424306 Feb 23, 2013
“I am the resurrection and the life. He that believeth in me though he were dead yet shall he live.”

resurrection...death, burial, and resurrection.....

life.....eternal life (SPIRITUAL)

dead...in SIN...(SPIRITUALLY DEAD)

live...(SPIRITUAL LIFE)
Saban fan

Tucker, GA

#424307 Feb 23, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you not say you have to be baptized with water to be saved.
If it wasn't you then I apologize Sadan.
I was sure I read a post were you and Preston, were discussing this very thing.
I did say baptism is a requirement per Act 2:38 and other scriptures. I did NOT say there was any power in the water, which seemed to be suggested that I said. The power is in Gods grace we connect to by following His commandments and doing things His way. There is a difference.
Saban fan

Tucker, GA

#424308 Feb 23, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Luke a third generation disciple, versus, Thomas a first Apostle, who also wrote down sayings by Jesus.
Yet Christianity doesn't recognize its teachings.
They prefer "Luke" over Thomas, and Jesus.
So, back to the original question.
Do you find "Luke" more enlightened than Jesus?
If Luke's writing was inspired by the Holy Ghost, it was basically Jesus enlightening him.

Are you suggesting Luke is wrong about something?
Saban fan

Tucker, GA

#424309 Feb 23, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you not say you have to be baptized with water to be saved.
If it wasn't you then I apologize Sadan.
I was sure I read a post were you and Preston, were discussing this very thing.
The questions to be answered are:
Which baptism was Paul referring to in Eph. 4? Was it the baptism that happened to the Apostles?
Was it John's baptism?
Was it the baptism for the remission of sins and to receive the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38)?
Why do those who believe they are baptized with the baptism the apostles experienced, why can they not do the magnificent things the Apostles could? Also, why do they practice another baptism to 'symbolize' something? Why practice two, if Paul says there is One (Eph. 4)?
Is Paul incorrect?

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#424310 Feb 23, 2013
271
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't understand what you're trying to say.
Matthew 7:21 informs us that people will believe they are saved, even doing good works in His name, but they will not be partakers in the Kingdom because they did not do the will of the Father.
As far as Mark 16:16 goes, why would someone submit to baptism if they do not believe? However, if you believe, baptism doesn't look to be optional or unimportant.
And, Paul instructed that there was ONE, not the two or more that denominations practice.
Mark 16:16 - He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. He that believeth not shall be condemned.

Answer the question and it will become clear to you of which I speak.

In the Scripture quoted, what is going to condemn you if you don't do it????.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#424311 Feb 23, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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<quoted text>
The Bible teaches, while upon earth, because Christ had the same Divinity as God, He had the power to forgive sins.
Mt 9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
Mr 2:10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins
Lu 5:24 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins,
Well...surprise surprise...He ain't upon earth any more!!!!
What so he doesn't have the power to forgive sin anymore? You are joking right? The Son of God striped of all after such sacrifice? Wow, I wouldn't hold on to that belief system you've got going there! Just bc it says he had power on earth doesn't mean he lost it when he decended into heaven! Is that what your saying?
guest

United States

#424312 Feb 23, 2013
guest wrote:
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Clay: "No Pope has added to sacred scripture. They do not have the authority to do so. No one has."
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of course, Clay. So tell me so I can under stand this:
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When the church was "compiling" the scripture ... approximately 800 years AFTER Jewish canon of scripture was closed ... did the Jews of their day come by and say, "Yo! Dudes! somehow we forgot these books - so here they are and you need to add them into the Hebrew scriptures.":
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Tobit
Judith
1 Maccabees
2 Maccabees
Wisdom
Sirach
Baruch
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I don't think so. These books were added by the Catholic Church ... with the Pope's approval.
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Robert Dye wrote:
Um .. no ... you need to check your history.
Those books are part of the Septuagint, from which Jesus Himself quoted.
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They were considered canon by many (but perhaps not all) Jews of His day, and one could infer that Jesus recognized the authority of the sSeptuagint by quoting from it, although He did not quote those specific books.
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But they WERE in the Septuagint.
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Rob
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History?
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This is so ludicrous as to be considered truly insane, or at the very least "delusional."
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What history? Catholic history? We know history has a way of being written by the "victors" - meaning: It is incredibly biased by those who are the aggressors. And the Catholic/Constantine Christians were indeed the AGGRESSORS. We know this from documented history.
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Here, in as few words - and as briefly as possible (so as to not be misunderstood):
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Jesus was a JEW.
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AS a Jew, he went to the Jewish TEMPLE to read the Jewish books.
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He preached the Good News to fellow JEWS.
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He *logically* spoke to them in Hebrew.
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He, therefore,*logically* quoted from the Hebrew text of the Jewish scriptures.
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The Septuagint was the GREEK *translation* of the HEBREW *scriptures.* Jesus would have no reason to quote from the GREEK TRANSLATION to Jewish listeners, unless he were conducting Greek as a second language to his Jewish followers.(And though he most likely spoke Greek fluently - I don't think he had the time to teach it to his Jewish listeners along with all the other 'stuff' he had on his plate.)
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*IF* original GREEK "writings" crept into the GREEK Septuagint, THAT DOES NOT MEAN they belong IN THE JEWISH CANON OF HEBREW SCRIPTURES.
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So. To say Jesus quoted from the Septuagint is flat out ridiculous. And by your own admission, he NEVER quoted from the seven books that were added into the Septuagint by the Greeks and ultimately added to the Bible by the Catholic Church.
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Therefore: Any *reasonable* person would conclude that those books ultimately DO NOT BELONG in the Sacred Jewish Scriptures.
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Additionally: They were NEVER/EVER part of the accepted Jewish/Hebrew Scripture and are NOT part of the Jewish Bible down to this very day. God entrusted the preservation of the Hebrew scripture to the Jews. Nobody else. And nobody else has the right to add to it.
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..especially not the Catholic church... though they try.
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Funny. They try to add those books by saying SOMEONE ELSE DID IT FIRST!
So in essence they are following the Greeks - Go figure!
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I hope that is simple enough to understand.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#424313 Feb 23, 2013
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marge wrote:
'The A-B-C's of Salvation'
A. Acknowledge self as sinner
B. Believe in Christ
C. Confess Christ as Saviour
My Bible says: Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

My Bible does not say: Confess Christ as Saviour....

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