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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 641483 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Justice

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#423731 Feb 20, 2013
Interesting article
Cardinal Turkson (favorite to be next Pope) blames gay priests for abuse scandals
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-22814...

Seems like the media already have it in for him, even before he is elected.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#423732 Feb 20, 2013
hojo wrote:
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So which one of your 42,000+contradicting and inconsistent Protestant interpretations are the "absolute, unquestionable, final TRUTH!! There can be ONLY ONE TRUTH! No 42,000 "relative truths" (whatever each "bible only" Protestant beliefs--decides what is "truth" for them. Jesus Christ established the ONE AND ONLY TRUTH over 2000 years ago. Paul confirms it in I Timothy 3:15 when he calls the Church (not the bible) the poillar, pinnacle and foundation of the TRUTH....But, of course, you "bible only" (fundies) will believe "only" whatever bible verses will "fit into your anti-catholic, hostile and heretical 21st century "Church history book" of "personal opinion --half-truth Christianity. You have all become "experts" at rewriting TRUTH Church History and mis-interpreting the bible to your own "demise and destruction"!!
God is not, nor ever will be the author of your Protestant contradicting and conflicting--"confusion and chaos". The TRUTH has, is, and will continue to be authenticated in over 2000 years of Jesus Christ and His One True Apostolic Catholic Church (the bride of Christ)
Did Jesus DEFEAT the Devil by just using SCRIPTURES?????

Sure He did.....

And what were those THREE (3) DANGEROUS words that Jesus used????

"IT IS WRITTEN"

He did NOT use the words "I say"....he used "IT IS WRITTEN"

He chose the only safe and sure way to DEFEAT Satan: the HOLY SCRIPTURES!!!!!!!!!!
Justice

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#423733 Feb 20, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
Look at the crap the RCC puts in Mary's mouth....
Second Secret of Fatima ..
Still remains a fact that these are private devotion. Mass is compulsory. Private devotions are secondary and assist people in thei prayer life and in achieving holiness.

I wonder if any of the critics regularly pray themselves. I dont. But Im not one of those criticising how other people choose to pray.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#423734 Feb 20, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
So which one of your 42,000+contradicting and inconsistent Protestant interpretations are the "absolute, unquestionable, final TRUTH!! There can be ONLY ONE TRUTH! No 42,000 "relative truths" (whatever each "bible only" Protestant beliefs--decides what is "truth" for them. Jesus Christ established the ONE AND ONLY TRUTH over 2000 years ago. Paul confirms it in I Timothy 3:15 when he calls the Church (not the bible) the poillar, pinnacle and foundation of the TRUTH....But, of course, you "bible only" (fundies) will believe "only" whatever bible verses will "fit into your anti-catholic, hostile and heretical 21st century "Church history book" of "personal opinion --half-truth Christianity. You have all become "experts" at rewriting TRUTH Church History and mis-interpreting the bible to your own "demise and destruction"!!
God is not, nor ever will be the author of your Protestant contradicting and conflicting--"confusion and chaos". The TRUTH has, is, and will continue to be authenticated in over 2000 years of Jesus Christ and His One True Apostolic Catholic Church (the bride of Christ)
1 Timothy 4:13

13 ~~~~~Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to preaching and to teaching.~~~~~~

Until Jesus comes....what are we (Christians) suppose to do. HOJO????

DEVOTE yourself to the PUBLIC READING of SCRIPTURE....to preaching and to teaching......

The Holy Scriptures were READ/TAUGHT in the churches every Lord's Day.....
Justice

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#423735 Feb 20, 2013
Truth wrote:
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1 Timothy 4:13
13 ~~~~~Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to preaching and to teaching.~~~~~~
Good point. But scriptures in this context meant the old testament letters, as when this was written, the NT books had not all be written and were not collected together for a further c.300 years.

Also note that St Paul also recommends preaching and teaching. In the early church this would have likely be the more common method as so few people could read and write, and written scriptures were so rare. This is why the great commission in its various forms in the gospels is a command to preach and teach, rather than to read or write.
Clay

Garden City, MI

#423736 Feb 20, 2013
Justice wrote:
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4000BC, wow, thats some faith you have there! I thought the old testament was written probably between 8th century and 1st century BC. The NT written in the 1st century AD.
The various books and letters were scattered across the Mediteranean countries and were compiled into one book by the CC towards the end of the 4th century AD. Also at this time the CC codified the beliefs of the church in the Nicene and Apostles creeds, put together a latin translation, the Vulgate, and compiled the church history and teachings of the early church.
Inescapable facts, whether you like it or not ;)
Another interesting fact: on February 24, 303 AD (8 yrs before Constantine legalized Christianity) the Roman Emperors (I believe there were 4 rulers at that time?) launched the most brutal Christianity persecution to date. Catholic Churches across the Roman Empire - stretching all the way to Britain - were burned to the ground. For the next 8 yrs, sacred scriptures were gathered and destroyed. Thousands of Martyrs were fed to the Lions.

Again, sacred scripture were gathered and destroyed. Those writings that did survive made it into the New Testament a hundred yrs later.

Jesus Christ established a Church. It survived that persecution and countless others. And it will survive future persecution too.
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#423737 Feb 20, 2013


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Jeremiah: Answering the Call

Philip Graham Ryken

The rabbis called him “the Weeping Prophet.” They said he began wailing the moment he was born. When Michelangelo painted him on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, he presented him in a posture of despair. He looks like a man who has wept so long he has no tears left to shed. His face is turned to one side, like a man who has been battered by many blows. His shoulders are hunched forward, weighed down by the sins of Judah. His eyes also are cast down, as if he can no longer bear to see God’s people suffer. His hand covers his mouth. Perhaps he has nothing left to say.

His name was Jeremiah. His story begins like this:

The words of Jeremiah son of Hilkiah, one of the priests at Anathoth in the territory of Benjamin. The word of the Lord came to him in the thirteenth year of the reign of Josiah son of Amon king of Judah, and through the reign of Jehoiakim son of Josiah king of Judah, down to the fifth month of the eleventh year of Zedekiah son of Josiah king of Judah, when the people of Jerusalem went into exile.(vv. 1-3)

This introduction tells us a great deal about Jeremiah. He was a preacher’s son, for his father Hilkiah was a priest. He was born in the village of Anathoth, close enough to Jerusalem to see the city walls, but at the edge of the wilderness, where the land slopes down to the Dead Sea. He labored as God’s prophet for forty years or more, from 627 b.c. to some time after 586 b.c. Four decades is a long time to be a weeping prophet.

Jeremiah lived when little Israel was tossed around by three great superpowers: Assyria to the north, Egypt to the south, and Babylon to the east. He served — and suffered — through the administrations of three kings: Josiah the reformer, Jehoiakim the despot, and Zedekiah the puppet. He was a prophet during the cold November winds of Judah’s life as a nation, right up to the time God’s people were deported to Babylon. Jeremiah himself was exiled to Egypt, where he died.


Truth

Leesburg, VA

#423738 Feb 20, 2013
Justice wrote:
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Good point. But scriptures in this context meant the old testament letters, as when this was written, the NT books had not all be written and were not collected together for a further c.300 years.
Also note that St Paul also recommends preaching and teaching. In the early church this would have likely be the more common method as so few people could read and write, and written scriptures were so rare. This is why the great commission in its various forms in the gospels is a command to preach and teach, rather than to read or write.
Sorry, I said Jesus and I meant Paul...kids were talking to me...

Timothy, in order to be an effective watchman of the Lord's, was to constantly work at keeping the DOCTRINE of Jesus Christ free from spot or reproach.
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#423739 Feb 20, 2013
A Divine Call

Jeremiah’s sufferings began with a divine call:

The word of the Lord came to me, saying,
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
before you were born I set you apart;
I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”(vv. 4-5)

God did wonderful things for Jeremiah before he was even born. He knew him. He formed him. He set him apart and appointed him as a prophet to the nations. He did all this long before Jeremiah drew his first breath or shed his first tear.

The call of Jeremiah is rich in its doctrinal and practical content. Among its important teachings are the following:

1. God is the Lord of life. God formed Jeremiah in the womb. Jeremiah had biological parents, of course, but God himself fashioned him and knit him together in his mother’s womb. Telling children who ask where babies come from that they come from God is good theology. And it is not bad science either. The Lord of life uses the natural processes he designed to plant human life in the womb.

2. A fetus is a person. A person is a human being, created in the image of God, living in relationship to God. This verse testifies that the personal relationship between God and his child takes place in the womb, or even earlier.

Birth is not our beginning. Not even conception is our real beginning. In some ineffable way, God has a personal knowledge of the individual that precedes conception.“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you.” This is the strong, intimate, Hebrew word for “know” that is also used to describe sexual intimacy between husband and wife.

“I knew you.” What a beautiful thing for God to say to his children!“I loved you and cared for you in eternity past. I made a personal commitment to you even before you were born.” And what a beautiful thing for parents to say to their children:“God knows you, God loves you, and God has entered into a personal relationship with you.” This verse holds special comfort for mothers who have had miscarriages. It gives hope to parents who have lost children in infancy, and even for women who aborted their own babies. God knew your child, and he knows your child.

3. We do not choose God before God chooses us. If you want to know who you are, you have to know whose you are. For the Christian, the answer to that question is that you belong to Jesus Christ.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#423740 Feb 20, 2013
David McIntyre wrote:
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The Scriptures I provided back this part of the prayer.
You are not suddenly chosing to be un-Scriptural when convenient now are you!
PLUS abundant evidence from the times of the NT Church also shows the Church believed that asking the prayers of Saints was in harmony with Scripture.
You are clearly nit-picking because you hate the Catholic Church
To my understanding prayers of the living go up before the God like inscense and continue to do so even after death. Christ is the mediator between man and God.
Once that Saint/Person has desceased there is no new prayers other than those of the living that continue to be sent.
Yes the prayers of the past for the Church and mankind are still in effect but the deceased have no knowledge or current events and will not have til the resurrection.
Rely on Gods word not mans opinion and false doctrine.
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#423741 Feb 20, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Did Jesus DEFEAT the Devil by just using SCRIPTURES?????
Sure He did.....
And what were those THREE (3) DANGEROUS words that Jesus used????
"IT IS WRITTEN"
He did NOT use the words "I say"....he used "IT IS WRITTEN"
He chose the only safe and sure way to DEFEAT Satan: the HOLY SCRIPTURES!!!!!!!!!!
Amen "Truth" but truth is not in the best interest of the catholic's! Their interests in in the catholic church, and what a bunch of grumper old men said.
Justice

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#423742 Feb 20, 2013
Clay wrote:
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It survived that persecution and countless others. And it will survive future persecution too.
I am sure that it will. And will continue to grow, globally.
Justice

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#423743 Feb 20, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, I said Jesus and I meant Paul...kids were talking to me...
:)
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#423744 Feb 20, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, I said Jesus and I meant Paul...kids were talking to me...
Timothy, in order to be an effective watchman of the Lord's, was to constantly work at keeping the DOCTRINE of Jesus Christ free from spot or reproach.
Timothy is told to mediate and to give himself entirely to the word of God.

What did Ezra do???

Ezra 7:10

10 For Ezra had devoted himself to the study and observance of the Law of the Lord, and to teaching its decrees and laws in Israel.
Justice

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#423745 Feb 20, 2013
I still wonder if those who are hyper critical of praying to Mary or the Saints, pray themselves. I'm guessing here. But I guess that they dont pray themselves, except perhaps at church or on infrequent occassions. I would be interested on any studies on this.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#423746 Feb 20, 2013
Justice wrote:
<quoted text>
4000BC, wow, thats some faith you have there! I thought the old testament was written probably between 8th century and 1st century BC. The NT written in the 1st century AD.
The various books and letters were scattered across the Mediteranean countries and were compiled into one book by the CC towards the end of the 4th century AD. Also at this time the CC codified the beliefs of the church in the Nicene and Apostles creeds, put together a latin translation, the Vulgate, and compiled the church history and teachings of the early church.
Inescapable facts, whether you like it or not ;)
If one was to compile a bunch of letters together by diffrent authours written on tha same subject by no means would one take credit for the works and writting of it now would they.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#423747 Feb 20, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not making up lies about you New Age. Your rejection of Matt 16:13-21 regarding Our Lords One True (Universal Catholic) Church and John 6:47-49 with regards to the Eucharist is quite obvious. If not, then please explain why you reject "Jesus Christs (own, spoken and expressed words"!!!
I don't believe men have the ability to discern what "God" can or cannot do, or determine who "God" can or cannot inpsire - where as you do.

Therefore, you place men above "God" in this aspect.

Additionally, with you do this, you blatantly think others have not been inspired, or the ability to be inspired by "God", thus rejected, because of men, other teachings by Jesus.

Why don't you believe in all of what Jesus taught?
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#423748 Feb 20, 2013
The Pharisees showed their hypocrisy when they asked Jesus for a sign proving that He was the Messiah. They were obviously not seeking to know Jesus. They had already seen so many proofs that He was the Messiah. Another miraculous work will not change their minds because they had decided already not to believe Him. Jesus, knowing their hearts, refused to give them a sign. The only sign they would have would be the sign of the prophet Jonah. In this lesson, we will explore the meaning of the sign of Jonah. Let’s read this passage. Matthew 12:38-42.



Matthew 12:38-42. Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, "Teacher, we want to see a sign from You."

39 But He answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.

40 "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

41 "The men of Nineveh will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and indeed a greater than Jonah is here.

42 "The queen of the South will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and indeed a greater than Solomon is here.



A sign


There are two words here that we have to define carefully. The first one is the word ‘sign’. When the Pharisees asked for a sign, they wanted a miraculous sign, some miracle that would prove that Jesus is the Savior sent of God. Actually, this word ‘sign’, semeion, is often translated by the word ‘miracle’ in the NT. A sign can be a miracle. However, in several other verses, it refers to some less supernatural events. And sometimes it is used of things not supernatural at all. This word semeion, the sign that the Pharisees asked for, is also used in the expression ‘sign of Jonah.’



Now, in the sign of Jonah, the emphasis is not on the miraculous nature of the sign but on the fact that we are able to see it. In the Bible, a sign is something that you can see with your own eyes and which conveys a message. For example in Luke 2:12, in the Christmas story, an angel said to the shepherds, This will be a sign for you. The angel was not talking about a miracle. The sign will be that the baby is wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. When they see that, the shepherds will know that the baby is the Savior. The word ‘sign’ is used with a negative connotation in Matthew 26:48 where Judas said to the betrayers,‘I will give you a sign. I will kiss Him on the face. That will tell you that He is the one you have to arrest.’ Judas was not saying that he was going to perform a miracle. He said that he was going to do something that they could see, i.e., kissing Jesus.



So here we find that the scribes and the Pharisees said to Jesus,‘Give us a sign that we can see and that would prove what You claim to be.’ And Jesus said to them,‘To this evil and adulterous generation, no sign will be given except the sign of Jonah.’

LTM

Marathon, Canada

#423749 Feb 20, 2013
This generation
When the Lord Jesus says,‘This generation,’ which generation is He talking about? Is He talking about the whole generation of the Jews of His time? If that is the case, does it mean that only the people in Jesus’ day would receive the sign of Jonah and that future generations will not have it?
We have to understand that the word ‘generation’ as Jesus uses it does not have the same meaning as the way we use it in English. In the English language,‘generation’ refers to a particular group of people belonging to the same period of time, usually considered to be about thirty years. When the NT speaks of ‘this generation,’ it often refers to a class of people, with no reference to any length of time, who in this world stand over and against the children of light. They are described here as evil and adulterous. In the OT, we also find the same concept. For example, Psalms 14:5 speaks about the ‘generation of the righteous,’ i.e., the class of people who are described as righteous.
This means that when Jesus speaks about ‘this generation’, He is not just referring to the Jews that He is talking to but to the whole class of people who are wicked. Therefore the sign of Jonah is not only for those standing in front of Jesus but it is for anyone in this present age in which we live.
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#423750 Feb 20, 2013
Justice wrote:
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Still remains a fact that these are private devotion. Mass is compulsory. Private devotions are secondary and assist people in thei prayer life and in achieving holiness.
I wonder if any of the critics regularly pray themselves. I dont. But Im not one of those criticising how other people choose to pray.
I am not the one proclaiming spiritual superiority or "perfect" moral teachings.

I am not the one who says the churches of 99% of America's founders founders are not true churches.

This is a Topix message board -- I disagree and give evidence.

I am responding to RCC criticism. I am sorry I hurt your feelings.

On board topic -- the most important "private devotion" of the RCC is a fraud. The "Second Secret" is shamefully absurd.

Jesus did not appoint a "one-true" church and guide it to use fraud to "assist people in there prayer and achieving holiness."

I you disagree, then please tell us why you think Jesus would work in such ways.

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