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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 690454 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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David McIntyre

Australia

#423698 Feb 19, 2013
Dear "Pastor"
You claimed that the Ave Maria is a fable.
Here below is abundant Scriptural evidence for every word and intention in thethe prayer!
What is wonderful about our conversation is that all our Protestant friends lwho lack full communion with Christ's Church, can hear the truth about the Catholic Church strait from a Catholic! All with evidence they can check for themselves!

The Rosary and Sacred Scripture
"Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you".
Luke 1:28 "And coming to her, he said, "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you."
The Greek kecharitomene means favored by grace, graced. Its tense suggests a permanent state of being "highly favored," thus full of grace. Charity, the divine love within us, comes from the same root. God is infinite Goodness, infinite Love.
"Blessed art thou among women"
Luke 1:41-42a "When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the infant leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth, filled with the holy Spirit, cried out in a loud voice and said, "Most blessed are you among women..."
Luke 1:48 "For he has looked upon his handmaid's lowliness; behold, from now on will all ages call me blessed."
Among all women is a way to say the highest/greatest etc. of a group in Semitic languages (these words would likely have been spoken in Aramaic). Mary is being called the greatest of all women, greater than Sarah, greater than EVE! Mary is created free from Original Sin but her condition is still made possible only through the Cross.
"Blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus"
Luke 1:42b "and blessed is the fruit of your womb."
Jesus is Mary's fruit. Good fruit does not come from anything but a good tree (Mt. 7:17-18)! The all-holy Son of God could not be the fruit of any other tree than the Immaculate Virgin.
"Holy Mary, Mother of God"
Luke 1:43 "And how does this happen to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
Against the heresies of the 4th and 5th centuries which tried to split the Person of Jesus into two, divine and human, denying one or the other, the Council of Ephesus in 431 AD proclaimed Mary Theotokos (God-bearer, i.e. mother of God). Mary is not above God and does not create God. She simply gave birth to the undivided Second Person of the Trinity.
"Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen".
Luke 2:35 "...and you yourself a sword will pierce so that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed."
John 2:5 "His mother said to the servers, "Do whatever he tells you."
Mary sees a need and appeals to Her Son to satisfy it.
"Pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death".
Intercessory prayer proceeds from faith in God that holy men and women who have died are as alive today as they were on earth (Luke 20:38). If the prayer of the just man avails much, how much more the prayer of the one made perfect (Rev. 21:27) and living with God in heaven (the patriarchs, apostles and other holy men and women).
James 5:16b "the fervent prayer of a righteous man is very powerful."
Rev. 5:8 "When he took it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each of the elders held a harp and gold bowls filled with incense, which are the prayers of the holy ones.
The angels, too, mediate our prayers. This is taught explicitly in the Jewish book of Tobit (Tob. 12:12), accepted by Christians as inspired until Luther on his own authority rejected it. It remains part of the Catholic Bible.
Tobit 12:12 I can now tell you that when you, Tobit, and Sarah prayed, it was I who presented and read the record of your prayer before the Glory of the Lord; and I did the same thing when you used to bury the dead.
Rev. 8:3 "Another angel came and stood at the altar, holding a gold censer. He was given a great quantity of incense to offer, along with the prayers of all the holy ones, on the gold altar that was before the throne."

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#423699 Feb 19, 2013
696
David McIntyre wrote:
Dear Confriter with the Word
You claimed that the Ave Maria is a fable.
Here below is abundant Scriptural evidence for every word and intention for the prayer, all strictly from Scripture!
What is wonderful about our conversation is that all our Protestant friends lacking full communion with Christ's Church, get to hear the truth about the Catholic Church strait from a Catholic.
The Rosary and Sacred Scripture
"Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you".
Luke 1:28 "And coming to her, he said, "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you."
The Greek kecharitomene means favored by grace, graced. Its tense suggests a permanent state of being "highly favored," thus full of grace. Charity, the divine love within us, comes from the same root. God is infinite Goodness, infinite Love.
"Blessed art thou among women"
Luke 1:41-42a "When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the infant leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth, filled with the holy Spirit, cried out in a loud voice and said, "Most blessed are you among women..."
Luke 1:48 "For he has looked upon his handmaid's lowliness; behold, from now on will all ages call me blessed."
Among all women is a way to say the highest/greatest etc. of a group in Semitic languages (these words would likely have been spoken in Aramaic). Mary is being called the greatest of all women, greater than Sarah, greater than EVE! Mary is created free from Original Sin but her condition is still made possible only through the Cross.
"Blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus"
Luke 1:42b "and blessed is the fruit of your womb."
Jesus is Mary's fruit. Good fruit does not come from anything but a good tree (Mt. 7:17-18)! The all-holy Son of God could not be the fruit of any other tree than the Immaculate Virgin.
"Holy Mary, Mother of God"
Luke 1:43 "And how does this happen to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
Against the heresies of the 4th and 5th centuries which tried to split the Person of Jesus into two, divine and human, denying one or the other, the Council of Ephesus in 431 AD proclaimed Mary Theotokos (God-bearer, i.e. mother of God). Mary is not above God and does not create God. She simply gave birth to the undivided Second Person of the Trinity.
"Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen".
Luke 2:35 "...and you yourself a sword will pierce so that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed."
John 2:5 "His mother said to the servers, "Do whatever he tells you."
Mary sees a need and appeals to Her Son to satisfy it.
"Pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death".
Intercessory prayer proceeds from faith in God that holy men and women who have died are as alive today as they were on earth (Luke 20:38). If the prayer of the just man avails much, how much more the prayer of the one made perfect (Rev. 21:27) and living with God in heaven (the patriarchs, apostles and other holy men and women).
Edited for space....

Horse puckette!!!

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you".

Luke 1:28 does not say "Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you...it says: "And coming to her, he said, "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you."

You are changing Scripture to make it say what you want it to say.....
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#423700 Feb 19, 2013
David McIntyre wrote:
With respect, the only thing you share is your notion that God will enable you to arrive at his truth though Bible reading. So how is it that you all disagree and continue to divide. There are now over 60,000 Protestant groups. They disagree on the big things ancluding Scripture-alone and Faith-alone, and they govern and worship separately. You are certainy are not One, and you are certainly not One with the Early Church who were Catholic on every point.

There's about 900 denominations in the USA, as little as 100 in NZ. How many in Aus?

They all do agree on scripture alone, and no Apocryphal books. If not what other books do they use? If they use other books they arent really Christian at all.
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#423701 Feb 19, 2013
David McIntyre wrote:
Dear "Pastor"
You claimed that the Ave Maria is a fable.
Here below is abundant Scriptural evidence for every word and intention in thethe prayer!
What is wonderful about our conversation is that all our Protestant friends lwho lack full communion with Christ's Church, can hear the truth about the Catholic Church strait from a Catholic! All with evidence they can check for themselves!
The Rosary and Sacred Scripture
"Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you".
Luke 1:28 "And coming to her, he said, "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you."
The Greek kecharitomene means favored by grace, graced. Its tense suggests a permanent state of being "highly favored," thus full of grace. Charity, the divine love within us, comes from the same root. God is infinite Goodness, infinite Love.
"Blessed art thou among women"
Luke 1:41-42a "When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the infant leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth, filled with the holy Spirit, cried out in a loud voice and said, "Most blessed are you among women..."
Luke 1:48 "For he has looked upon his handmaid's lowliness; behold, from now on will all ages call me blessed."

"But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it." (Luke 11:28)

The book of Tobit is an unrecognized uninspired work of no importance, used by Rome to support her heresies.
marge

Leesburg, GA

#423702 Feb 19, 2013
David McIntyre wrote:
<quoted text>
With respect, the only thing you share is your notion that God will enable you to arrive at his truth though Bible reading. So how is it that you all disagree and continue to divide. There are now over 60,000 Protestant groups. They disagree on the big things ancluding Scripture-alone and Faith-alone, and they govern and worship separately. You are certainy are not One, and you are certainly not One with the Early Church who were Catholic on every point.
That is not true we do agree with Scripture alone and Faith in Jesus Alone for Salvation and more, Yes us born-again from God above are One and there are about four or five of us here that post daily.
4GVN

Jackson, MO

#423703 Feb 19, 2013
David McIntyre wrote:
<quoted text>
Dear "Guest"
You can shoot off quotes from Holy Scripture until the cows come home. But the fact is that your or my OPINIONS and PREFERENCES for the meaning of Scripture are irrelevent.
What IS important is the ACTUAL meaning of Scripture. We know this by examining the writings of the EARLY CHURCH.
They were Catholic on every point.
Most significantly, the Early Church of the New Testament times, whilst greatly loving Sriptures immensley, TOTALLY REJECTED a system of Private Interpretation. Their final authority was the teaching Church which Christ promised to guide until the end.
Private interpretation by it's very nature leads to continual division.
Every Protestant claims to have arrived at the truth through Bible reading. So which of the 60,000 (and growing) Protestant groups would you have people join??? The suggestion that Christ would abandon his promise to guide the Church in truth until the end, and then replace this with a system in which his truth comes in thousands of versions is absurd!!!
Long live the Successors of St Peter and the Apostles.
Sorry, David, but you do not judge scripture by the church, but you judge the church by scripture. It is scripture that is the very "word of God." The Catholic church has taught error by example on many occasions. But God's word stands forever true.
marge

Leesburg, GA

#423704 Feb 19, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
693
<quoted text>
There is a reason....you vilify the Word of God. Am not aware that ltm is a minister...One who is authorized to perform religious functions in a Christian church...
Well there you go and admit there are female Disciples, nite Oxbow, love you.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#423705 Feb 19, 2013
696
David McIntyre wrote:
Dear Confriter with the Word
You claimed that the Ave Maria is a fable.
Here below is abundant Scriptural evidence for every word and intention for the prayer, all strictly from Scripture!
What is wonderful about our conversation is that all our Protestant friends lacking full communion with Christ's Church, get to hear the truth about the Catholic Church strait from a Catholic.
The Rosary and Sacred Scripture
"Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you".
Luke 1:28 "And coming to her, he said, "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you."
The Greek kecharitomene means favored by grace, graced. Its tense suggests a permanent state of being "highly favored," thus full of grace. Charity, the divine love within us, comes from the same root. God is infinite Goodness, infinite Love.
"Blessed art thou among women"
Luke 1:41-42a "When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the infant leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth, filled with the holy Spirit, cried out in a loud voice and said, "Most blessed are you among women..."
Luke 1:48 "For he has looked upon his handmaid's lowliness; behold, from now on will all ages call me blessed."
Among all women is a way to say the highest/greatest etc. of a group in Semitic languages (these words would likely have been spoken in Aramaic). Mary is being called the greatest of all women, greater than Sarah, greater than EVE! Mary is created free from Original Sin but her condition is still made possible only through the Cross.
"Blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus"
Luke 1:42b "and blessed is the fruit of your womb."
Jesus is Mary's fruit. Good fruit does not come from anything but a good tree (Mt. 7:17-18)! The all-holy Son of God could not be the fruit of any other tree than the Immaculate Virgin.
"Holy Mary, Mother of God"
Luke 1:43 "And how does this happen to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
Against the heresies of the 4th and 5th centuries which tried to split the Person of Jesus into two, divine and human, denying one or the other, the Council of Ephesus in 431 AD proclaimed Mary Theotokos (God-bearer, i.e. mother of God). Mary is not above God and does not create God. She simply gave birth to the undivided Second Person of the Trinity.
"Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen".
Luke 2:35 "...and you yourself a sword will pierce so that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed."
John 2:5 "His mother said to the servers, "Do whatever he tells you."
Mary sees a need and appeals to Her Son to satisfy it.
"Pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death".
Intercessory prayer proceeds from faith in God that holy men and women who have died are as alive today as they were on earth (Luke 20:38). If the prayer of the just man avails much, how much more the prayer of the one made perfect (Rev. 21:27) and living with God in heaven (the patriarchs, apostles and other holy men and women).
James 5:16b "the fervent prayer of a righteous man is very powerful."
Rev. 5:8 "When he took it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each of the elders held a harp and gold bowls filled with incense, which are the prayers of the holy ones.
The angels, too, mediate our prayers. This is taught explicitly in the Jewish book of Tobit (Tob. 12:12), accepted by Christians as inspired until Luther on his own authority rejected it. It remains part of the Catholic Bible.
Edited for space...

There is no Scripture that says: "Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen".

BTW Christ taught that we are to pray to the God the Father, in His name...there is no Scripture that teaches otherwise...
David McIntyre

Australia

#423706 Feb 19, 2013
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, David, but you do not judge scripture by the church, but you judge the church by scripture. It is scripture that is the very "word of God." The Catholic church has taught error by example on many occasions. But God's word stands forever true.
The Scriptures came from the Early Church and we ascertain it's true meaning of Scripture by looking at what the Early Church believed. We do not ascertain it's meaning my reading the Bible and concuding "God showed me what it means" as Protestants claim. Look at the Early Church evidence- they undestood the Scriptures as Cathoilics on every account!

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#423707 Feb 19, 2013
704
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
Well there you go and admit there are female Disciples, nite Oxbow, love you.
I gave you the definition of "minister"...you are comparing potatoes to onions!!!!

Disciple: mathetes a learner, i.e. pupil

But to address your misunderstanding of what I said...Of course there are female disciples!!!!
David McIntyre

Australia

#423708 Feb 19, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
696
<quoted text>
Edited for space...
There is no Scripture that says: "Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen".
BTW Christ taught that we are to pray to the God the Father, in His name...there is no Scripture that teaches otherwise...
The Scriptures I provided back this part of the prayer.

You are not suddenly chosing to be un-Scriptural when convenient now are you!

PLUS abundant evidence from the times of the NT Church also shows the Church believed that asking the prayers of Saints was in harmony with Scripture.

You are clearly nit-picking because you hate the Catholic Church
David McIntyre

Australia

#423709 Feb 19, 2013
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
That is not true we do agree with Scripture alone and Faith in Jesus Alone for Salvation and more, Yes us born-again from God above are One and there are about four or five of us here that post daily.
No Marge, you all interpret those two doctrines with many variations. TheSmo Protestants are strict regarding Faith-alone, some believe in a semi-faith and good works, and the others are some where in between. The same goes for Bible-alone.

You also disagree on baptism, the Holy Spirits actio, Abortion, the Eucharist, Adultery, re-marraige, and the list goes on.
The fact is the early Church were totally Catholic on all these things.

You Protestants disagree to the point that you are seperated from each other in governemt and worship.If you think the differences are only small as you claim, then why the separation?

You shouldn't believee everything that is preached to you.

Long Live the Pope, the Successor of St Peter Our Rock!
David McIntyre

Australia

#423710 Feb 19, 2013
socci wrote:
<quoted text>
"But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it." (Luke 11:28)
The book of Tobit is an unrecognized uninspired work of no importance, used by Rome to support her heresies.
That book was excepted by the Early Church and still is. It was only the Protestants who did away wih it in the 1500s. It's not the only text I provided anyway.

Since: Jun 10

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#423711 Feb 19, 2013
708 696
David McIntyre wrote:
<quoted text>
The Scriptures I provided back this part of the prayer.
You are not suddenly chosing to be un-Scriptural when convenient now are you!
PLUS abundant evidence from the times of the NT Church also shows the Church believed that asking the prayers of Saints was in harmony with Scripture.
You are clearly nit-picking because you hate the Catholic Church
That is not true...you provided no Scripture that says
"Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen".

No matter how long you lie to yourself, it will not change that fact...

As well as this fact: Christ taught that we are to pray to the God the Father, in His name...there is no Scripture that teaches otherwise...

And this fact: There is no Scripture that supports praying to dead men the pope declared "Saint".....
David McIntyre

Australia

#423712 Feb 19, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
696
<quoted text>
Edited for space....
Horse puckette!!!
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you".
Luke 1:28 does not say "Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you...it says: "And coming to her, he said, "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you."
You are changing Scripture to make it say what you want it to say.....
I'm not changing the Scriptures. Have a look at the passage I provided. You anti Catholicism is effecting you.

However, the prayer address "Mary" because that's who the angel adressed.

Really, your assertions are quite embarrassing.

The Ave Maria is 100% Scriptural!

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#423713 Feb 19, 2013
696
David McIntyre wrote:
Dear "Pastor"
You claimed that the Ave Maria is a fable.
Here below is abundant Scriptural evidence for every word and intention in thethe prayer!
What is wonderful about our conversation is that all our Protestant friends lwho lack full communion with Christ's Church, can hear the truth about the Catholic Church strait from a Catholic! All with evidence they can check for themselves!
The Rosary and Sacred Scripture
"Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you".
Luke 1:28 "And coming to her, he said, "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you."
The Greek kecharitomene means favored by grace, graced. Its tense suggests a permanent state of being "highly favored," thus full of grace. Charity, the divine love within us, comes from the same root. God is infinite Goodness, infinite Love.
"Blessed art thou among women"
Luke 1:41-42a "When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the infant leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth, filled with the holy Spirit, cried out in a loud voice and said, "Most blessed are you among women..."
Luke 1:48 "For he has looked upon his handmaid's lowliness; behold, from now on will all ages call me blessed."
Among all women is a way to say the highest/greatest etc. of a group in Semitic languages (these words would likely have been spoken in Aramaic). Mary is being called the greatest of all women, greater than Sarah, greater than EVE! Mary is created free from Original Sin but her condition is still made possible only through the Cross.
"Blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus"
Luke 1:42b "and blessed is the fruit of your womb."
Jesus is Mary's fruit. Good fruit does not come from anything but a good tree (Mt. 7:17-18)! The all-holy Son of God could not be the fruit of any other tree than the Immaculate Virgin.
"Holy Mary, Mother of God"
Luke 1:43 "And how does this happen to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
Against the heresies of the 4th and 5th centuries which tried to split the Person of Jesus into two, divine and human, denying one or the other, the Council of Ephesus in 431 AD proclaimed Mary Theotokos (God-bearer, i.e. mother of God). Mary is not above God and does not create God. She simply gave birth to the undivided Second Person of the Trinity.
"Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen".
Luke 2:35 "...and you yourself a sword will pierce so that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed."
John 2:5 "His mother said to the servers, "Do whatever he tells you."
Mary sees a need and appeals to Her Son to satisfy it.
Edited for space...
Wrong!!!!!

Lu 1:41-42 does not say: "Blessed art thou among women". There is no verse in the Bible that says that..

Luke 1:41-42 says: "When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the infant leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth, filled with the holy Spirit, cried out in a loud voice and said, "Most blessed are you among women..."

You don't even have the words right!!!! You say ""Blessed art thou among women". The words that are part of Luke 1:41-42 say: "Most blessed are you among women..."

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#423714 Feb 19, 2013
712 696
David McIntyre wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not changing the Scriptures. Have a look at the passage I provided. You anti Catholicism is effecting you.
However, the prayer address "Mary" because that's who the angel adressed.
Really, your assertions are quite embarrassing.
The Ave Maria is 100% Scriptural!
You are changing Scripture!!! The truth is before your eyes..in black/white...

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you".

Luke 1:28 does not say "Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you...it says: "And coming to her, he said, "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you."

You are changing Scripture to make it say what you want it to say....

The angel was not praying when the angel addressed Mary!!!!!
Justice

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#423715 Feb 20, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
I think the HM is a private devotion i.e. optional. Also doesnt the prayers of the saints figure in John's vision of heaven Revelation?
Justice

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#423716 Feb 20, 2013
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, David, but you do not judge scripture by the church, but you judge the church by scripture.
The church came before scripture. Paul persecuted the church before the NT was written. The letters of the NT were not collated into a book before the end of the 4th century.
David McIntyre

Australia

#423717 Feb 20, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
708 696
<quoted text>
That is not true...you provided no Scripture that says
"Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen".
No matter how long you lie to yourself, it will not change that fact...
As well as this fact: Christ taught that we are to pray to the God the Father, in His name...there is no Scripture that teaches otherwise...
And this fact: There is no Scripture that supports praying to dead men the pope declared "Saint".....
Dear Friend

Those Scriptures certainly support asking ther prayers of the dead, furthermore the Early Church had the belief and still do, and so do Jews to this day.

Do believe in the Trinity? The term it not mentioned in Scripture, but we hold the belief. Many important beliefs are Scriptural, yet the precise term does not appear in Scriptue. Are you an intelligent man?

You need to get on board with the Early Church and off the Protestant founders band wagon.See where you self-righteous private interpetation leads you.

Long live the Pope, the Successor of St Peter The Rock Man

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