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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 590359 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Dan

Omaha, NE

#423405 Feb 18, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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I was very much on topic. How is there any difference between a Cardinal and a Czar. Both are paid from the public treasury and neither position has been approved by the founder?
What "public treasury" pays for a Cardinal's stipend?

All along I thought it was contributions by the faithful.

Does this work differently in your church? How do you pay the minister?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#423406 Feb 18, 2013
LTM wrote:
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I already told them about the catechism's are changed , they didn't believe me.
There really isn't much that hasn't been prove through scriptures ex catholic's and protestant, and out of the mouth of their own pope. To know that we are not liars.
Why not simply cite that which you claim is true?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#423407 Feb 18, 2013
LTM wrote:
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I already told them about the catechism's are changed , they didn't believe me.
There really isn't much that hasn't been prove through scriptures ex catholic's and protestant, and out of the mouth of their own pope. To know that we are not liars.
Hint:

FM's weblink wasn't to the Catechism.

They never are. They are always to what someone SAYS the Church teaches, never to what they actually DO teach.

He knows that actual citation of sources would undercut his "arguments", so he studiously avoids it. As you do.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#423409 Feb 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Jesus, your "anchor", established the Church in scripture. I understand that yet you deny it.
Don't worry about what you think I "understand", LTM. You have problems of your own here.
Noted that in lieu of a scripturally-based rebuttal, you played the sex scandal card.
Your kidding right Dan, that is the best you got. I know right from wrong which is something your pope doesn't . That is the person you trust to teach you spiritual truth from God.
Lets leave the sex scandles, how about murder and thief, made up fairy tales about Mary and following other pagan rituals that is taught in your church.
Things that have nothing to do with what Jesus taught. In fact the Bible which your religions sect takes credit for giving the world,
Speaks against these very things. No wonder your religous leader have got away with so many crimes against humanity, its because people like you have looked the other way and let it happened.
Well its your church , your leaders. Which makes you as guilty as the priest and popes who have did the act.
Take a look at your small children and think if one of your was abused, Dan what would your reaction be, and remember your spiritual leader the pope thinks its normal.

There is nothing to talk about any more Dan, I do have my problems but I don't sweep them under a rug and pretend I don't.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#423410 Feb 18, 2013
LTM wrote:
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Your kidding right Dan, that is the best you got. I know right from wrong which is something your pope doesn't . That is the person you trust to teach you spiritual truth from God.
Lets leave the sex scandles, how about murder and thief, made up fairy tales about Mary and following other pagan rituals that is taught in your church.
Things that have nothing to do with what Jesus taught. In fact the Bible which your religions sect takes credit for giving the world,
Speaks against these very things. No wonder your religous leader have got away with so many crimes against humanity, its because people like you have looked the other way and let it happened.
Well its your church , your leaders. Which makes you as guilty as the priest and popes who have did the act.
Take a look at your small children and think if one of your was abused, Dan what would your reaction be, and remember your spiritual leader the pope thinks its normal.
There is nothing to talk about any more Dan, I do have my problems but I don't sweep them under a rug and pretend I don't.
I'm quite sure you don't have anything to talk about with me, since I pointed out that Christ established the Church in scripture and your response is two extended whines about the sex scandal.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#423412 Feb 18, 2013
LTM wrote:
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Your kidding right Dan, that is the best you got. I know right from wrong which is something your pope doesn't . That is the person you trust to teach you spiritual truth from God.
Lets leave the sex scandles, how about murder and thief, made up fairy tales about Mary and following other pagan rituals that is taught in your church.
Things that have nothing to do with what Jesus taught. In fact the Bible which your religions sect takes credit for giving the world,
Speaks against these very things. No wonder your religous leader have got away with so many crimes against humanity, its because people like you have looked the other way and let it happened.
Well its your church , your leaders. Which makes you as guilty as the priest and popes who have did the act.
Take a look at your small children and think if one of your was abused, Dan what would your reaction be, and remember your spiritual leader the pope thinks its normal.
There is nothing to talk about any more Dan, I do have my problems but I don't sweep them under a rug and pretend I don't.
..........And Catholics rely upon the Church to teach.

The Pope does not create doctrine himself.

Please cite where any Pope has declared pedophilia "normal". This is your assertion and for some reason, it never made the news.

Thanks in advance.
Yahchanan

Piedmont, OK

#423413 Feb 18, 2013
Lets make this simple today Yahweh is not A god so why is the world worshiping the creator as a god.
guest

United States

#423414 Feb 18, 2013
LTM wrote:
Your kidding right Dan, that is the best you got. I know right from wrong which is something your pope doesn't . That is the person you trust to teach you spiritual truth from God.
Lets leave the sex scandles, how about murder and thief, made up fairy tales about Mary and following other pagan rituals that is taught in your church.
Things that have nothing to do with what Jesus taught. In fact the Bible which your religions sect takes credit for giving the world,
Speaks against these very things. No wonder your religous leader have got away with so many crimes against humanity, its because people like you have looked the other way and let it happened.
Well its your church , your leaders. Which makes you as guilty as the priest and popes who have did the act.
Take a look at your small children and think if one of your was abused, Dan what would your reaction be, and remember your spiritual leader the pope thinks its normal.
There is nothing to talk about any more Dan, I do have my problems but I don't sweep them under a rug and pretend I don't.
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Dan wrote:
..........And Catholics rely upon the Church to teach.
The Pope does not create doctrine himself.
Please cite where any Pope has declared pedophilia "normal". This is your assertion and for some reason, it never made the news.
Thanks in advance.
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Dan: ""..........And Catholics rely upon the Church to teach.""
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And CHRISTIANS rely on Christ's teachings.
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What did Christ say about the little children as compared to what the pope says about little children?
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Dan ... do you NOT realize that when the world's MOST POWERFUL RELIGIOUS LEADER tries to excuse it's priests by BLAMING SOCIETY as a whole ... they are NOT REALLY GUIDING .... THEY ARE FOLLOWING.
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Sounds like Sodom and Gomorrah to me. The difference is that Lot got away from the filthy mindset that led the city's inhabitants to *accept* what was going on around them as *increasingly considered normal*... YOUR POPE has "in essence" agreed that it is OK to measure the CHURCH'S WRONGDOINGS by pedophile's standards rather than being the beacon of TRUTH.
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Now tell me: Where in the Bible does it say that the Pope can bind on earth pedophilia as *increasingly considered NORMAL*?
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What the Pope binds on earth will be bound in heaven ... eh, I really don't think so, because what the Pope is binding IS NOT IN LINE with the words of Christ. and never has been.
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guest

United States

#423415 Feb 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
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..........And Catholics rely upon the Church to teach.
The Pope does not create doctrine himself.
Please cite where any Pope has declared pedophilia "normal". This is your assertion and for some reason, it never made the news.
Thanks in advance.
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Dan: "The Pope does not create doctrine himself."
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ok then, I'll bite:... who creates the *doctrine*?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#423416 Feb 18, 2013
guest wrote:
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Dan: ""..........And Catholics rely upon the Church to teach.""
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And CHRISTIANS rely on Christ's teachings.
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What did Christ say about the little children as compared to what the pope says about little children?
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Dan ... do you NOT realize that when the world's MOST POWERFUL RELIGIOUS LEADER tries to excuse it's priests by BLAMING SOCIETY as a whole ... they are NOT REALLY GUIDING .... THEY ARE FOLLOWING.
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Sounds like Sodom and Gomorrah to me. The difference is that Lot got away from the filthy mindset that led the city's inhabitants to *accept* what was going on around them as *increasingly considered normal*... YOUR POPE has "in essence" agreed that it is OK to measure the CHURCH'S WRONGDOINGS by pedophile's standards rather than being the beacon of TRUTH.
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Now tell me: Where in the Bible does it say that the Pope can bind on earth pedophilia as *increasingly considered NORMAL*?
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What the Pope binds on earth will be bound in heaven ... eh, I really don't think so, because what the Pope is binding IS NOT IN LINE with the words of Christ. and never has been.
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Non-contextual.
LTM said we make reliance upon the Pope to teach.
That's false-the Pope upholds and clarifies Church doctrine, not his own.
"In essence", no Pope declared pedophiliac acts "normal", which was LTM's assertion.
Are you her uncle or something?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#423417 Feb 18, 2013
guest wrote:
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Dan: "The Pope does not create doctrine himself."
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ok then, I'll bite:... who creates the *doctrine*?
Not the Pope himself, as I said.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#423418 Feb 18, 2013
guest wrote:
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Dan: "The Pope does not create doctrine himself."
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ok then, I'll bite:... who creates the *doctrine*?
Scripture informs Church doctrine. Christ's teachings.

Doctrinal formation is a lengthy process.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#423419 Feb 18, 2013
guest wrote:
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Dan: ""..........And Catholics rely upon the Church to teach.""
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And CHRISTIANS rely on Christ's teachings.
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What did Christ say about the little children as compared to what the pope says about little children?
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Dan ... do you NOT realize that when the world's MOST POWERFUL RELIGIOUS LEADER tries to excuse it's priests by BLAMING SOCIETY as a whole ... they are NOT REALLY GUIDING .... THEY ARE FOLLOWING.
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Sounds like Sodom and Gomorrah to me. The difference is that Lot got away from the filthy mindset that led the city's inhabitants to *accept* what was going on around them as *increasingly considered normal*... YOUR POPE has "in essence" agreed that it is OK to measure the CHURCH'S WRONGDOINGS by pedophile's standards rather than being the beacon of TRUTH.
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Now tell me: Where in the Bible does it say that the Pope can bind on earth pedophilia as *increasingly considered NORMAL*?
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What the Pope binds on earth will be bound in heaven ... eh, I really don't think so, because what the Pope is binding IS NOT IN LINE with the words of Christ. and never has been.
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"What did Christ say about the little children as compared to what the pope says about little children?"

Now you're worried about children? You refuse to baptize them, but now you're worried about them?

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guest

United States

#423420 Feb 18, 2013
guest wrote:
Now, in Matthew when Jesus is speaking to ALL THE APOSTLES (not just Peter) HE SAID:
http://niv.scripturetext.com/matthew/18.htm
18 “I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will bed bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will bee loosed in heaven."
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I apologize - there are a couple of typos in my post.
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When I copied and pasted from the Bible verse, it copied the footnote letters as part of the text and I hadn't noticed:
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http://niv.scripturetext.com/matthew/18.htm

18 “I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will *bed*('d' is the footnote letter) bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will *bee*('e' is the footnote letter) loosed in heaven."
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so, of course it should read:

18 “I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will *be* bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will *be* loosed in heaven."
guest

United States

#423422 Feb 18, 2013
guest wrote:
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Dan: ""..........And Catholics rely upon the Church to teach.""
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And CHRISTIANS rely on Christ's teachings.
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What did Christ say about the little children as compared to what the pope says about little children?
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Dan ... do you NOT realize that when the world's MOST POWERFUL RELIGIOUS LEADER tries to excuse it's priests by BLAMING SOCIETY as a whole ... they are NOT REALLY GUIDING .... THEY ARE FOLLOWING.
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Sounds like Sodom and Gomorrah to me. The difference is that Lot got away from the filthy mindset that led the city's inhabitants to *accept* what was going on around them as *increasingly considered normal*... YOUR POPE has "in essence" agreed that it is OK to measure the CHURCH'S WRONGDOINGS by pedophile's standards rather than being the beacon of TRUTH.
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Now tell me: Where in the Bible does it say that the Pope can bind on earth pedophilia as *increasingly considered NORMAL*?
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What the Pope binds on earth will be bound in heaven ... eh, I really don't think so, because what the Pope is binding IS NOT IN LINE with the words of Christ. and never has been.
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Dan wrote:
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Non-contextual.
LTM said we make reliance upon the Pope to teach.
That's false-the Pope upholds and clarifies Church doctrine, not his own.
"In essence", no Pope declared pedophiliac acts "normal", which was LTM's assertion.
Are you her uncle or something?
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NON-CONTEXTUAL??
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lol - since WHEN is a Catholic interested in CONTEXT?
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The Pope upholds and *clarifies* church doctrine. Yeah, Dan, we saw that. It is OK to consider "pedophilia" as normal in today's society and the Pope *upheld* and *clarified* that ... for the whole world could see.
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POPE BENEDICT XVI: In his traditional Christmas address yesterday to cardinals and officials working in Rome, Pope Benedict XVI also claimed that child pornography was increasingly considered “normal” by society.

POPE BENEDICT XVI:“In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorised as something fully in conformity with man and even with children,” the Pope said.

POPE BENEDICT XVI:“It was maintained — even within the realm of Catholic theology — that there is no such thing as evil in itself or good in itself. There is only a ‘better than' and a ‘worse than'. Nothing is good or bad in itself.”
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POPE BENEDICT XVI:.... There is only a ‘better than' and a ‘worse than'.
Well, I will have to say that Christianity is "better than" Catholicism.
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It is amazing to me how Catholics can compartmentalize everything, and in so doing, make excuses for everything it does wrong. While claiming that Jesus himself gave them that right.
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The Catholic church's excuse making and compartmentalizing mindset allowed this man to rack up no fewer than 130 victims:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Geoghan
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lol Catholics are not interested in context, so don't pretend to be here.
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The TRUTH will set you free! and the gates of hell will not prevail against the truth!
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have the gates of hell prevailed against the Catholic Church? the Catholic church OPENED THE GATES WIDE and walked right in.
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murder
torture
pedophilia
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Here is what PETER said about this sort of thing:

http://niv.scripturetext.com/1_peter/4.htm
1 Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because he who has suffered in his body is done with sin. 2 As a result, he does not live the rest of his earthly life for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God. 3 For YOU HAVE SPENT ENOUGH TIME IN THE PAST DOING WHAT PAGANS DO-LIVING IN DEBAUCHERY, LUST, DRUNKENNESS ORGIES, CAROUSING AND DETESTABLE IDOLATRY. 4 They think it strange that you do not plunge with them into the same flood of dissipation, and they heap abuse on you.

“OneLordOneFaith Eph4:5”

Since: Apr 08

Saint John Paul II Pray 4 Us.

#423423 Feb 18, 2013
LTM wrote:
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You are not going by the teachings of the apostles that walked the earth with Jesus , not by a long shot StarC.
You are going by the teachings of the false prophets and teachers that have creeped into the church as Peter warned they would.
Thats what is wrong with just oral teaching and not the written word. What is written can't not be change, but what is taught orally can be changed by whoever is telling the story,.
You are taught the religious teachings of corrupted men who were not after the truth of God, but power and money , and sex.
StarC, what you have been taught is not the truth, the Bible says so not me.
LOL, and you have been taught and brain washed by [the new creepers] a pentecostal minister, your dad...who was taught by lil' Amiee.. a druggie, founder of your church!

Only the One True Church was taught by the Apostles that were
taught by JESUS = Catholic.

The Church Is Apostolic (Eph. 2:19–20,
The Church Jesus founded is apostolic because he appointed the apostles to be the first leaders of the Church, and their successors were to be its future leaders. The apostles were the first bishops, and, since the first century, there has been an unbroken line of Catholic bishops faithfully handing on what the apostles taught the first Christians in Scripture and oral Tradition (2 Tim. 2:2).

Not by amiee, in the 1920‘s!!!!!!!!
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#423424 Feb 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Hint:
FM's weblink wasn't to the Catechism.
They never are. They are always to what someone SAYS the Church teaches, never to what they actually DO teach.
He knows that actual citation of sources would undercut his "arguments", so he studiously avoids it. As you do.
Dan, you are getting crazier by the hour with your absurdities. I believe if we were talking about any other subject, you would be coherent.

Irrefutable facts....

I never sited the Catechism as a source and thus never posted a link to the Catechism.

You sited the Catechism as a source but never posted a link.

I did post a link to back up my claim about the Vatican 2 apology, which Dan turned into John Paul's apology 40 years later.(Called avoidance)

Poor Dan has lost it. Arguments which penetrate into Dan's magic aura are not dealt with rationally but by absurdities and contradictions.

Dan, I back up my claims with links. You should try it.
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#423425 Feb 18, 2013
LTM wrote:
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I already told them about the catechism's are changed , they didn't believe me.
There really isn't much that hasn't been prove through scriptures ex catholic's and protestant, and out of the mouth of their own pope. To know that we are not liars.
Catholics know intellectually that the Catechism has changed -- many times.

Catholics simply can't accept that fact. Their belief system is exposed by 2000 years of irrefutable historical facts. Today, these facts are at our finger-tips, which causes Catholics here a great deal of anxiety.

"Tradition" is vital to their faith, yet all Catechisms and "perfect teachings" prior to Vatican 2 are conveniently forgotten.

Their tradition is like a lunch buffet of beliefs. Some is chosen to be consumed, and the rest goes into the trash.

Selective tradition = zero integrity.

“OneLordOneFaith Eph4:5”

Since: Apr 08

Saint John Paul II Pray 4 Us.

#423426 Feb 18, 2013
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aaaahmm....
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If that example is "Apostolic Succession" then anyone can see just how warped the RCC truly is.
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Matthias was chosen to replace an Apostle that proved unfaithful and who turned on Jesus.
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The Popes are 'supposedly' chosen to replace Christ in succession.
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Furthermore there is no Apostolic Succession when it comes to Mathias ... there's only the (supposed)succession of Peter.
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Your argument is devoid of logic - but that is no surprise to those outside the Catholic church since it is, in essence, how a Catholic brain is trained by the church to respond to any argument about True Christianity vs. The Roman Catholic Church.
NO, it’s the One True Church Started by Christ vs. 42K different church started by 42k men/women.[none in agreement, judging from this board]

WRONG... the Pope DOES NOT REPLACE CHRIST!!

There is only ONE Christ.

The Pope is only the expounder!

Apostolic succession .....

Acts 1:20 "For," said Peter, "it is written in the book of Psalms, "'May his place be deserted; let there be no one to dwell in it,' and, "'May another take his place of leadership.'

Book of Psalms: 108: 8

‘Let his encampment become desolate,

and may no one dwell in it.’ and another TAKE HIS PLACE OF LEADERSHIP.'
[ http://bible.cc/psalms/109-8.htm ]

“OneLordOneFaith Eph4:5”

Since: Apr 08

Saint John Paul II Pray 4 Us.

#423427 Feb 18, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Self.
Advice for all, especially you.:)

StarC wrote:
One week before Lent 2.13.13
Give Ups for Lent and always...
Give up bitterness; turn to forgiveness.
Give up hatred; return good for evil.
Give up negativism; be positive.
Give up complaining; be grateful.
Give up pessimism; be an optimist.
Give up harsh judgments; think kind thoughts.
Give up worry; trust Divine Providence.
Give up discouragement; be full of hope.
Give up anger; be more patient.
Give up pettiness; be more mature.
Give up gloom; enjoy the beauty around you.
Give up jealousy; pray for trust.
Give up gossiping; control your thought.
Give up sin; turn to virtue.

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