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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 665064 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#423470 Feb 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Your link does no such thing RE: an apology issued to protestants.
You can't even tell me what was said and by whom or to whom other than what the two hausfraus at netplaces.com had to say about it.
What a clown. You'd flunk a middle school research paper with this type of "citation".
As I clearly wrote -- "It summarizes the apology."

The entire RCC statement is easily found.

Fearful Dan is in full avoidance mode. Arguments which penetrate into his magic aura are not dealt with rationally but by pseudo-reasoning.

e.g. "the link wasn't good enough" -- not that the statement was in any way wrong. Typical attack on the messenger in order to avoid the message.

LOL
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#423471 Feb 18, 2013
hojo wrote:
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Better read your bible Saban fan, because you obviously have "no idea" as to what you are talking about which comes as "no surprise" to ANY of us Catholics--"who know the TRUTH of the TRUE interpretation of the Bible and TRUE Church History......Try reading Acts 2 regarding Jesus Christ 1st Church at Antioch. That Church and every other Church that followed (from Paul's letters) to the Churches at Ephesus, Thessalonica, Colosse, Philippi, Galatia, Corinth, ect. were ALL hierarchical, authoritative, visible Churches as confirmed in Act 2, ALL with Bishops, elders, priests and deacons.
Really? What's the difference in Bishop and Elder in the NT? The Christians were and are priests and all we need between us and God is a High Priest (Christ). You didn't mention Pope or Cardinal and whatever else the Catholics have made up that wasn't in those churches you've mentioned.

Please don't forget to answer that question about Elders and Bishops.
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#423472 Feb 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
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A citation will do for the slave labor statement.
The Vatican is now responsible for India?
Reality would be refreshing from you, FM.
Allow me to correct -- "native" slave labor.

But I have already agreed with Dan. I was wrong.

Most of the gold adorning the Vatican came from happy, unionized natives who always wanted to be miners. The Vatican was appreciative and honored their labor by seeing that they were paid top dollar.

The funding to build the Vatican came from unsolicited donations in quantities that can only be considered a divine miracle. Under no circumstances were indulgences ever sold. No promises were ever made. All giving was out of love, never out of fear.

Catholics love La La Land.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#423473 Feb 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
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"One is baptized when they can comprehend and believe the word of God."
If that were true, you'd still be awaiting baptism.
Christ never said that. Never. No conditions were placed on Baptism by Christ. None in John 3 and none at the Commission.
So Peter lied in Acts 2?
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#423474 Feb 18, 2013
Clay wrote:
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There were no examples in your link. I skimmed over it and saw nothing to support sola scripture.
I did see something about musical instruments. I find this teaching of your church about as bizarre as I've ever heard. There is no rationale to think God would get offended at His creation for using their gift He gave them, to create beautiful music for Him. I just don't get it.
I really believe this is proof your elders are not guided by the Holy Spirit to truth.
If you read that link you'd understand.

Since: Jun 10

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#423475 Feb 18, 2013
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Saban fan wrote:
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Really? What's the difference in Bishop and Elder in the NT? The Christians were and are priests and all we need between us and God is a High Priest (Christ). You didn't mention Pope or Cardinal and whatever else the Catholics have made up that wasn't in those churches you've mentioned.
Please don't forget to answer that question about Elders and Bishops.
bishop: episkopos, a superintendent, i.e. Christian officer in genitive case charge of a (or the) church (literally or figuratively):--bishop, overseer.

elder: presbuteros, older; as noun, a senior; specially, an Israelite Sanhedrist (also figuratively, member of the celestial council) or Christian "presbyter":-- elder(-est), old.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#423476 Feb 18, 2013
Justice wrote:
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I believe typing in caps is the equivalent of shouting?
You have some strange opinions about Catholics, taken from anti-catholic websites? Have you read the other side of the debate, how Catholics justify their beliefs?

I do not read anti-Catholic Websites..neither do I use links from the web

All I use is the Bible THE WORD OF GOD...

Having studied the Bible for over 60 years...I cross-reference it and co-relate it, from book to book ..chapter to chapter and..verse to verse ..Subject to subject

The teachings and practices of the Roman Catholic are foreign to the HOLY SCRIPTURES..

What they propagate are strange doctrines that cannot be cross_referenced nor co-related with the continuity of the word of God,... They are just not found in there.

The Bible is one book given BY ONE PERSON...

THE HOLY GHOST.. AS HE MOVED UPON INSPIRED WRITERS (His secretaries) OVER A PERIOD OF 1600 YEARS.

THERE IS A
CONTINUITY IN/to THE BIBLE FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT, THAT MAKES IT UNIQUE.

1.EACH BOOK
IS INTERDEPENDENT UPON THE OTHER,

2.ALL SCRIPTURES CAN/SHOULD BE ABLE... TO BE
CO-RELATED,(ALIGNED) CROSS-REFERENCED WITH THE WHOLE..OF IT

3.ALL INTERPRETATIONS OF ANY SCRIPTURE

PERTAINING TO ANY GIVEN SUBJECT (IN THE BIBLE)

MUST SATISFY ALL OTHER SCRIPTURES PERTAINING TO THAT PARTICULAR SUBJECT...

(WHICH IS IN LINE/ALIGNED/CONSISTENT... WITH THE
DEFINITION OF IT)... IN ALL OF IT'S 66 VOLUMES.

4. WHEN ANY TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF
ANY GIVEN SUBJECT ARE DIFFERENT..

ONE OR THE OTHER IS WRONG..OR BOTH ARE IN ERROR..

REMEMBER...

ALL BOOKS HAVE THE SAME AUTHOR. GOD.... THE HOLY GHOST.

5.There must be at least two or more scriptures on any given subject ...to establish a doctrine..

If only one, or none can be found...

it is incumbent upon the expositor to produce a witness..FROM ANOTHER SCRIPTURE IN THE BIBLE else it cannot be taught as a doctrine.

Producing a reference from another source that is not part of the original covenant, contract, will given by God is a violation of the will of the testator, Jesus Christ...

Remember He signed HIS WILL/consecrated it with his blood ..

said IT IS FINISHED,

and as the executor of His will ROSE AGAIN..

HE IS NOW SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER SEEING TO IT THAT HIS WILL IS BEING CARRIED OUT.

THE TEACHING'S DOGMA, AND CONJECTURE OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH FAIL TO MEET THE ABOVE CRITERIA.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#423477 Feb 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
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What "public treasury" pays for a Cardinal's stipend?
All along I thought it was contributions by the faithful.
Does this work differently in your church? How do you pay the minister?
The Catholics' public money. Money that the Catholics give to go towards the work of the church. The Cardinal gets paid, right? Probably housing too? Free costumes and hats etc.

There is scriptural evidence that we can pay a minister therefore we do. You know what? We choose and hire our own ministers too. NO one from outside the doors of our autonomous congregation has any input about anything we do except of course OUR Father.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#423478 Feb 18, 2013
Clay wrote:
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There were no examples in your link. I skimmed over it and saw nothing to support sola scripture.
I did see something about musical instruments. I find this teaching of your church about as bizarre as I've ever heard. There is no rationale to think God would get offended at His creation for using their gift He gave them, to create beautiful music for Him. I just don't get it.
I really believe this is proof your elders are not guided by the Holy Spirit to truth.
Strange fire. Nadab and Abihu.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#423479 Feb 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
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???
No priests nor ministers in early Christianity?
My discussions have been the governance of the church. Sure there were ministers. You didn't know that?
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#423481 Feb 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
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"Scripture alone" has informed the false teacher.
How now to "point out" the false teacher, since he uses the same instrument to inform himself and has concluded differently?
"Scripture alone" is the father of chaos.
I'd say chaos couldn't be imagined any greater than that of priests not marrying (not scriptural) and the child abuse that has occurred. Utterly shameful. What have those poor little souls had to live with from someone that is considered so close of God. Don't forget to send in your check of support, Dan.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#423482 Feb 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
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It doesn't interpret itself.
You even said so.
You next sentence starts off with "With study", so they may "find clarity". Thus, you are interpreting it.
Thus, you decalre yourself the "middle man".
Problem is, if everyone's the "middle man", an authoritative interpretation cannot be determined.
Lucky for us, Christ established the Church and conferred teaching authority to the Apostles and their successors until His return.
'With study' comes from scripture - study to show thyself approved. If I'm the middle man who's below me, Dan.

There is no authority for their successors. When the Apostles died their work was done and your church's apostasy took off.
truth

South Perth, Australia

#423483 Feb 18, 2013
Jesus don't say about born again nothing at all.

many many will come in my name its not me..
Jesus Christ words is perfect.
truth

South Perth, Australia

#423484 Feb 18, 2013
Holy Ghost know ..its salvation of soul ljudskih dusa..about body=go into dust..now artificial or similar body makers nothing save at all.
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooo

Resurrection
truth

South Perth, Australia

#423485 Feb 18, 2013
Who they are?
They are who say who is better then us!

What a about real Jesus?
He say to you ..i am going where you can't go.
He say..i give you my peace!
guest

United States

#423486 Feb 18, 2013
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Clay:
""Hold on there. Stop. Back up.
Catholicism is not warped. Its perfect and infallibly guided by the resurrected Christ.

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and when the Pope speaks - Catholics listen ... WHY? because the pope is "NOT INFALLIBLE?"
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When CHRIST speaks - CHRISTIANS listen ... WHY? Because Christ IS INFALLIBLE.
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Jesus was protected from error when teaching on EVERYTHING. And UNLIKE THE POPE he TAUGHT by EXAMPLE.
again:
When CHRIST speaks - CHRISTIANS listen ... WHY? Because Christ IS Infallible.
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always these built-in caveats when it comes to listening to the Pope, huh?
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There are no caveats when listening to the words of Christ.
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Clay wrote:
Are you telling me, Guest, that you listen to the Jesus Christ and He is revealing His true will to YOU??
Congrats. Its about time one of you 42,000 stepped up and claimed to be the true receptor of divinely guidance!
BTW, what sect do you belong to? SDA? Baptist? Evangelical?
Evangelical 7th Day Baptist?
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Yes. Unlike Catholics who listen to the Pope who lies to them - the important words of Jesus Christ were written down so we could "listen" to him. I never said he speaks to me audibly, which is what you imply.
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So. WHO does the pope listen to when he pronounces NEW doctrine?... and by "new doctrine" I mean "extra-biblical doctrine", you know, Stuff that Jesus NEVER SAID but that stuff Catholics want to believe ... like when Pope Innocent VIII said it was OK to *torture* heretics? Somebody is 'adding' new doctrine to the church. New doctrine could be added tomorrow and you would believe it. Even though this pope has said that pedophilia is increasingly considered normal...
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http://niv.scripturetext.com/john/10.htm

John 10:27 MY SHEEP LISTEN TO MY VOICE;

The Unbelief of the Jews

22 Then came the Feast of Dedicationb at Jerusalem. It was winter, 23 and Jesus was in the temple area walking in Solomon’s Colonnade. 24 The Jews gathered around him, saying,“How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.”

25 Jesus answered,“I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father’s name speak for me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 MY SHEEP LISTEN TO MY VOICE; I KNOW THEM, AND THEY FOLLOW ME. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.
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As t=for the sect I belong to, we've already had that discussion.
I said I am Christian and NO LONGER CATHOLIC.
truth

South Perth, Australia

#423487 Feb 18, 2013
No they not say its the end world.
Its ever lasting world..infinite.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#423488 Feb 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Jesus declares baptism a requirement for salvation without any exceptions made.
You would deny an infant baptism as the infant cannot perform an act to your satisfaction. This contradicts scripture.
John 6 has Jesus telling us that we must partake in His Body and Blood. If (I don't know) you believe that your Lord's Supper is simply symbolic of this, this belief contradicts scripture.
You can let me know at your convenience.
Show me the scripture proving I contradict scripture to allow my children to hear, believe, repent and confess before their baptism.

Peter gave directions the day the church came into being. He's not contradicting Jesus' earlier words at all he's just informing us how to be baptized. Ignore him if you think he lied, but I'll follow his instructions and in doing so I'm following Jesus' instructions too.
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#423489 Feb 18, 2013
guest wrote:
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Dan: ""..........And Catholics rely upon the Church to teach.""
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And CHRISTIANS rely on Christ's teachings.
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What did Christ say about the little children as compared to what the pope says about little children?
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Dan ... do you NOT realize that when the world's MOST POWERFUL RELIGIOUS LEADER tries to excuse it's priests by BLAMING SOCIETY as a whole ... they are NOT REALLY GUIDING .... THEY ARE FOLLOWING.
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Sounds like Sodom and Gomorrah to me. The difference is that Lot got away from the filthy mindset that led the city's inhabitants to *accept* what was going on around them as *increasingly considered normal*... YOUR POPE has "in essence" agreed that it is OK to measure the CHURCH'S WRONGDOINGS by pedophile's standards rather than being the beacon of TRUTH.
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Now tell me: Where in the Bible does it say that the Pope can bind on earth pedophilia as *increasingly considered NORMAL*?
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What the Pope binds on earth will be bound in heaven ... eh, I really don't think so, because what the Pope is binding IS NOT IN LINE with the words of Christ. and never has been.
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Amen 'guest" Amen
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#423490 Feb 18, 2013
Spiritual Guidance Comes from God Alone
The Bible teaches that spiritual guidance should be sought from God alone through Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. He has provided everything we need for this life in his Word. Isaiah 8:19
When men tell you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?(NIV) Hebrews 4:14
That is why we have a great High Priest who has gone to heaven, Jesus the Son of God. Let us cling to him and never stop trusting him.(NLT) 1 Timothy 2:5
For there is only one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and people. He is the man Christ Jesus.(NLT) 2 Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It straightens us out and teaches us to do what is right. It is God's way of preparing us in every way, fully equipped for every good thing God wants us to do.(NLT) 2 Peter 1:3
As we know Jesus better, his divine power gives us everything we need for living a godly life. He has called us to receive his own glory and goodness!
Deceiving Spirits, Demonic Forces, Angels of Light, Counterfeits for the Truth
Are psychic experiences of talking with the dead real?
Yes, I believe they can be very real, but not true experiences of talking with dead people. The Bible considers these experiences to be associated with deceiving spirits, demonic forces, angels of light or counterfeits for the true Spirit of God.
1 Timothy 4:1
The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.(NIV)1 Corinthians 10:20-21
No, not at all. What I am saying is that these sacrifices are offered to demons, not to God. And I don't want any of you to be partners with demons. You cannot drink from the cup of the Lord and from the cup of demons, too. You cannot eat at the Lord's Table and at the table of demons, too.(NLT) 2 Corinthians 11:14-15
But I am not surprised! Even Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light. So it is no wonder his servants can also do it by pretending to be godly ministers. In the end they will get every bit of punishment their wicked deeds deserve.(NLT) 2 Thessalonians 2:9-10
The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.(NIV)
What about Saul, Samuel and the witch of Endor?
There is one somewhat confusing account in Scripture that seems to be the 'exception to the rule' in 1 Samuel 28:1–25. After the death of the prophet Samuel, King Saul was terrified of the threatening Philistine army and desperate to know the Lord's will. In his helpless desperation, he resorted to consulting with a medium, the witch of Endor.
Using demonic powers of sorcery, she called up Samuel. But when he appeared, even she was startled, for she had expected a satanic apparition and not Samuel himself. Shocked that God had intervened for Saul, the witch of Endor knew this "spirit coming up out of the ground" was not the result of her demonic conjuring.

So, Samuel's appearance here can only be explained as the unprecedented intervention of the Lord in response to Saul's hopeless desperation, permitting him one firm and final encounter with the prophet. The event in no way indicates God's endorsement of talking to the dead or consulting with mediums.

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