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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 641722 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#423233 Feb 17, 2013
Sherlayne wrote:
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Oh, the RCC relies heavier on Tradition than anything else. I don't fall for that manmade stuff. No insult to you, honest.
If you been to a Catholic Mass, you'd hear more Bible then you ever heard at any gathering of Christians.
There is the readings (two from the OT and two from the NT) then there is constant prayers that are all mirrored in scripture. Then there is the Liturgy of the Eucharist that is straight from the Bible.
The Mass is sacred tradition. And witnessing it is experiencing Holy Scripture and tradition forever entwined and inseparable.
This is the way it was in every decade since Christ.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#423234 Feb 17, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Nah. Been there done that.
Go toy around with the Mormons scriptures. Leave ours alone.
Mormon writtings are not from Gods Chosen people the Jews which was a vessel of his inspired word that we as gentiles are grafted into by becoming the children of promise through Christ. This how we also become Abrahams seed through Grace not the Catholic Church and it's false doctrine that is contrary to scripture.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#423235 Feb 17, 2013
Clay wrote:
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who were the Saints bringing the prayers before God in the book of Revelation?
After the Apostles died, many heretics arose (under the guidance of the Devil). They began preaching whatever they wanted about Jesus. most of it fizzled away; it didn't stick. Some of it came back 1,600 yrs later. It still doesn't stick, Confrint.
When people were confused after the Apostles died, they looked to the newest Bishops who were disciples of the Apostles. Ignatius, Polycarp, and Clement of Rome. They had the authority to decide what was valid. They walked with the Apostles and new them personally. The Holy Spirit steered them to truth. After they died, the Holy Spirit did the same with the next group.
Would Christ have it any other way? Would He have a conspiracy ministry until the Ellen Smith arrived 1800 yrs later??
You need to read what the Apostolic fathers thought about Christianity - since they had the luxury of hearing the Gospel in detail from the Apostles mouths.
Catholicbridge.com/catholic/early_church_fath...
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You waste your time....you have proved nothing ..but ...that you can

exercise your fingers..

YOU ARE.... AS A MAN ATTEMPTING TO PULL HIMSELF OUT OF QUICK-SAND BY HIS OWN BOOT STRAPS.

YOU CANNOT LIFT YOUR SELF ONE INCH OFF THIS EARTH WHEN JESUS COMES FOR HIS BRIDE.

WITH YOU OWN BOOTSTRAPS..YOUR FABLES

THERE MUST BE THE PRESENCE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT WITHIN THE MAN..(. LIKE STEEL BEING LIFTED BY A MAGNET.)FOR ANY ONE TO BE CAUGHT AWAY IN THE COMING OF CHRIST..

THAT EVENT ONLY COMES TO THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN BORN AGAIN OF THE SPIRIT..(REGENERATED)

JESUS PUT IT THIS WAY...

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see)

to know:- be aware, behold, X can (+ not tell), consider,(have) known (-ledge), look (on), perceive, see, be sure, tell, understand, wist, wot.

the kingdom of God.

~~

YOU ARE A PART OF A PHYSICAL EARTHLY DYNASTY IN ROME....

THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS A SPIRITUAL KINGDOM ...

IT WILL BE A SPIRITUAL KINGDOM ... UNTIL CHRIST RETURNS TO SET UP HIS PHYSICAL KINGDOM IN THE MILLENNIUM.

THE REPRESENTATIVE OF JESUS,... CURRENTLY..UPON THE EARTH ..IS THE HOLY GHOST...THE THIRD PERSON OF THE GOD HEAD...

NOT YOUR POPE,.. WHO IS A USURPER OF THE POSITION OF THE HOLY GHOST.

JESUS SAID...

Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Joh 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
Joh 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
Joh 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Joh 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Joh 16:16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

JESUS SAID

Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and -->they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.<--

your conjecture has no validation nor credibility from the Bible
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#423237 Feb 17, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Huh??
Um, ugh.. Duh, I don't see Christ ordering anyone to compile a Bible. Do you?
Don't you think that this is why the New Testament wasn't even written until 30-50 yrs after Jesus Christ died??
Owa Christ's own Apostles and their scribes that wrote the Books we find in the New Testament. They still stand today at Gods will not because man compiled and bound them into one Bible. This goes along with scripture were it is written what thou bound on earth will be bound in heaven fulfilling scripture. Diffrent sects/churchs within a Roman controlled culture had the scripture in their synagouges of worship only to be conviscated by the governing authorities over the next 350 years are so and kept from the masses for a time,times and half time.
Clay

Melrose Park, IL

#423239 Feb 17, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
<quoted text>Mormon writtings are not from Gods Chosen people the Jews which was a vessel of his inspired word that we as gentiles are grafted into by becoming the children of promise through Christ. This how we also become Abrahams seed through Grace not the Catholic Church and it's false doctrine that is contrary to scripture.
Who's we?

The SDA, Pentecostals, Evangelicals, Baptists, Presbyterians,*pauses for a breath* Angelicans, church of Christ members, Methodist, Calvinist, Lutherans, Nazereans, episcopals, Jehovah's *#%~&=/
On and on.

Who are the lucky ones who are brought to truth by the Holy Spirit?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#423240 Feb 17, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
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You waste your time....you have proved nothing ..but ...that you can
exercise your fingers..
YOU ARE.... AS A MAN ATTEMPTING TO PULL HIMSELF OUT OF QUICK-SAND BY HIS OWN BOOT STRAPS.
YOU CANNOT LIFT YOUR SELF ONE INCH OFF THIS EARTH WHEN JESUS COMES FOR HIS BRIDE.
WITH YOU OWN BOOTSTRAPS..YOUR FABLES
THERE MUST BE THE PRESENCE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT WITHIN THE MAN..(. LIKE STEEL BEING LIFTED BY A MAGNET.)FOR ANY ONE TO BE CAUGHT AWAY IN THE COMING OF CHRIST..
THAT EVENT ONLY COMES TO THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN BORN AGAIN OF THE SPIRIT..(REGENERATED)
JESUS PUT IT THIS WAY...
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see)
to know:- be aware, behold, X can (+ not tell), consider,(have) known (-ledge), look (on), perceive, see, be sure, tell, understand, wist, wot.
the kingdom of God.
~~
THE WAY OF SALVATION (TO BE BORN AGAIN OF THE SPIRIT) WHICH IS PRESENTED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT IS..GIVEN TO US ... BY THE APOSTLE PAUL
IN
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
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Act_16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Act 11:13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
NOTE
Act 11:14 -->Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Act 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
Act 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
guest

United States

#423241 Feb 17, 2013
Clay wrote:
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For two thousand yrs, people could come into the Church building and hear 4 readings from the Bible as well as experience the scriptures come alive during the Eucharistic Liturgy. Now you tell me how the CC kept it hidden? Man, they brought the Gospel to every corner of the Earth and many died proclaiming it.
Of course, what you realty mean, is the CC didn't print it off and hand it to nut job Ideologues to 'figure out their own Christianity'. Duh
Jesus wouldn't want 42,000 Guests running around telling people what the scriptures are saying.
Question Guest,
WHY WOULD GOD
ESTABLISH
THE
HOLY
BIBLE WITHOUT
AN EARTHLY
AUTHORITY TO SAFEGUARD
AND
INTERPRET IT
FOR THE
FAITHFUL?
Guess what Guest, He did. Its the Holy Catholic Church. You are on the outside of it and have no business teaching on sacred scripture.
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He did.
First to the Jews. They did a very FINE job. They had Jewish scribes who would hand-copy the text meticulously. They kept it in the Temple for everyone to read.
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Contrast that with the Catholic church who murdered and tortured those who DARED to read or translate the words that GOD gave to man.
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I think we need to start quoting the "Bishop of Rome":

"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us." Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#423242 Feb 17, 2013
Clay wrote:
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The Catholic Church has never veered from scripture. Ever.
No Pope, Bishop or Priest has any authority to go against scripture. Everything that was revealed from the Apostles concerning scripture is done. This is why 2,000 yr later, the Catholic and Orthodox look so much different than you 40,000 +. We have not changed you have!
The so-called 'church of Christ' looks like any other fundie sect that's popped up in the last 200 yrs. You guys cherry picked your own religion based on private interpretation of the Catholic Bible.
Rob mentioned another group who tried to build a tower to Heaven. Do you remember them from the Old Testament?
Weren't you one of the ones that said I was being unscriptural by being scriptural? Now you tell me the Catholic Church is completely scriptural. Shouldn't that make them unscriptural in your and Dan's opinions??

You guys are impossible. How can you have a serious topical debate with folks that choose whatever argument is convenient for the current question, nevermind that it completely contradicts the way you answered earlier questions.

Since the Pope, Cardinals etc are supposedly scriptural please point out the requirements for those offices in scripture. Or, you can just suck it up and admit they are not there (meaning, NO they ARE NOT they are in FACT veerings from scripture).
Guest55

Cape Girardeau, MO

#423243 Feb 17, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Who's we?
The SDA, Pentecostals, Evangelicals, Baptists, Presbyterians,*pauses for a breath* Angelicans, church of Christ members, Methodist, Calvinist, Lutherans, Nazereans, episcopals, Jehovah's *#%~&=/
On and on.
Who are the lucky ones who are brought to truth by the Holy Spirit?
Born again Christians.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#423244 Feb 17, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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THE WAY OF SALVATION (TO BE BORN AGAIN OF THE SPIRIT) WHICH IS PRESENTED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT IS..GIVEN TO US ... BY THE APOSTLE PAUL
Yes!----- you've got it "exactly" right which is "precisely" what Jesus Christs One True Catholic Church--teaches, proclaims and believes (each and every day) at Daily Mass.
The fact is Confrinting, its about the "only thing" that you have "ever said" that has ANY crediblity!...being born again of water and of the Spirit.......... In John 3:3 Jesus said, "unless a person is born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven". The Catholic Church has adhere to and proclaim "these words of Jesus Christ for over 2000 years. You're not telling us "anything new" that has not been done since Our Lord formed, initiated and established His first Church in Antioch!!
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#423245 Feb 17, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Besides ox, I asked you to show me where the CC puts sacred tradition above sacred scripture. The Hail Mary (although its based on sacred scripture) is not sacred tradition.
"What is the Hail Mary that Catholics say so often?"

Answer: The “Hail Mary,” Ave Maria in Latin, is a Roman Catholic prayer to the Virgin Mary that consists of salutations and a plea for her intercession. Also, the term "Hail Mary pass" was used by the press to describe a pass by Dallas Cowboys quarterback Roger Staubach in a 1975 divisional playoff game and has come to be synonymous in football with a long pass that has little chance of success. The text of the Hail Mary prayer incorporates two Bible passages:“Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee" (Luke 1:28) and “Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb" (Luke 1:42). The first passage is the angel Gabriel’s greeting to Mary when he came to inform her that she had been chosen to bear the Messiah. The second is her cousin Elizabeth’s greeting to Mary when Mary came to visit her cousin, who was also pregnant at the time with John the Baptist. The third part of the Hail Mary prayer is not from the Bible and is, in fact, in direct contradiction to Scriptural truth:“Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.”

This last part of the Hail Mary prayer has three unbiblical parts to it. First, Mary is not and never was “holy.” Mary was a human being who was born, as all humans are, with a sin nature and who recognized that she needed a Savior. In fact, the very passage used in the Hail Mary, known as Mary’s Magnificat (Luke 1:46-55), contains the declaration “my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,” a clear indication that she understood her need for a Savior from sin. The Bible never says that Mary was anyone but an ordinary human whom God chose to use in an extraordinary way. Yes, Mary was a righteous woman and favored (graced) by God (Luke 1:27-28). At the same time, Mary was a sinful human being who needed Jesus Christ as her Savior, just like everyone else (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 6:23; 1 John 1:8).

The second unbiblical part of the Hail Mary is addressing Mary as the “Mother of God.” Mary was the human mother of the human Jesus Christ, who was indeed God incarnate. But she was not the mother of God, neither is she the ”queen of heaven,” another title given to her by the Catholic Church which has no basis in Scripture. God doesn’t have a mother, nor does He have a queen. He is an eternal, infinite Being, uncreated and unborn, self-sufficient and self-sustaining.

The third unbiblical statement in the Hail Mary is the plea for her to “pray for us sinners.” Here we see the unbiblical practice of praying to Mary to intercede with God for us. First, we do not need an intercessor with God. Christ is the only intercessor we need. Through Jesus and Him alone, we have direct access to the Father. Christ alone mediates and intercedes between God and man.“For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus”(1 Timothy 2:5). Prayer to anyone other than God alone is anti-biblical. Praying to Mary or petitioning her to pray for us is against the Scriptures. Prayer is an act of worship. When we pray to God, we are admitting that we need His help. Directing our prayers to anyone other than God is robbing God of the glory that is His alone, something God hates and will not tolerate (Isaiah 42:8).

While Mary was certainly a godly young woman greatly blessed in that she was chosen to bear the Savior of the world, she was not in any way divine, nor was she sinless, nor is she to be worshipped, revered, venerated, or prayed to.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#423246 Feb 17, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
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Everyone has an opinion or theory. That is what makes this forum so popular.
Protestants, agnostics and atheists ALL have "personal opinions" (42,000 relative truth opinionated Protestants) and God knows "how many atheists and agnostics, like yourself!! The Catholic Church has over 2000 years of Historical and biblical TRUTH to back it up "anything" and "everything" it believes and teaches!!......You Michael, have attained a "monopoly" on exaggerated opinions and a distortion of the the truth---"relative truth" that is, in which whatever each person decides is true is the truth!.....BELIEVABLE BUSTED TRUTH that is!!!
4GVN

Jackson, MO

#423247 Feb 17, 2013
Guest55 wrote:
<quoted text>Born again Christians.
That is what the scriptures tell us. Amen.
4GVN

Jackson, MO

#423249 Feb 17, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Who's we?
The SDA, Pentecostals, Evangelicals, Baptists, Presbyterians,*pauses for a breath* Angelicans, church of Christ members, Methodist, Calvinist, Lutherans, Nazereans, episcopals, Jehovah's *#%~&=/
On and on.
Who are the lucky ones who are brought to truth by the Holy Spirit?
Some Pentecostals, some Evangelicals, some Baptists, some Presbyterians, some Methodists etc. Whosoever has recieved Christ by faith and is trusting solely in Him for his salvation.
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#423250 Feb 17, 2013
hojo wrote:
Protestants, agnostics and atheists ALL have "personal opinions" (42,000 relative truth opinionated Protestants) and God knows "how many atheists and agnostics, like yourself!! The Catholic Church has over 2000 years of Historical and biblical TRUTH to back it up

That's funny. There's nooo biblical truth to the Roman Church - founded on TRADITION, not the Bible.
Actually there's only about 900 denominations in the USA while New Zealand has as few as 100. You see it's regional independent churches, many who are in agreement. While the RC Vatican in universal sun religion voodoo cult. Have you seen the pope kissing the koran? Wonder why the Islam immigration is allowed? Your pope wants this. Your good Catholics such as Joe Biden Nancy Pelosi and Marco Rubio make sure the immigration continues.
socci

El Dorado Springs, MO

#423251 Feb 17, 2013
4GVN wrote:
Some Pentecostals, some Evangelicals, some Baptists, some Presbyterians, some Methodists etc. Whosoever has recieved Christ by faith and is trusting solely in Him for his salvation.

I hope they are but when I read my Bible it says only 7th-day Sabbath keepers are actually saved, with the seal of God who keep the 10C law. All of them. It's about who we follow, God's word or the pope in Rome's sun cult -- the cause of all world problems, that gets worse and worse every year.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#423252 Feb 17, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Who's we?
The SDA, Pentecostals, Evangelicals, Baptists, Presbyterians,*pauses for a breath* Angelicans, church of Christ members, Methodist, Calvinist, Lutherans, Nazereans, episcopals, Jehovah's *#%~&=/
On and on.
Who are the lucky ones who are brought to truth by the Holy Spirit?
It is Written go an dprach the Gospel to the world. Paul was an Apostle to the GENTILES the other Apostles were to the Jews only until the stoning of Steven and Daniels 70 weeks was determined on the Jewish Nation and their house left desolate. They remained in that blind state for around 40 years more til the temple was destroyed and they were scattered again among the nations.
They have to come to Christ the same as we do Grafted back in to the vine through Christ.

Since: Feb 13

Texarkana, TX

#423253 Feb 17, 2013
Honestly this doesn't surprise me in the least. I mean hell, the catholics, the vatican, and the pope have been pissing on everyone since they started. The Vatican's own personal library even plays host to thousands of pagan books, items and even spell books. I wouldnt be surprised if they kept even more controversial things underwraps than Area 51. That, or they really are a bunch of arrogant, boy molesting, old farts.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#423254 Feb 17, 2013
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Sherlayne wrote:
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Oh, the RCC relies heavier on Tradition than anything else. I don't fall for that manmade stuff. No insult to you, honest.
No insult....Am a member of an SBC church...

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#423255 Feb 17, 2013
socci wrote:
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I hope they are but when I read my Bible it says only 7th-day Sabbath keepers are actually saved, with the seal of God who keep the 10C law. All of them. It's about who we follow, God's word or the pope in Rome's sun cult -- the cause of all world problems, that gets worse and worse every year.
You have my interest....what Bible are you reading that says "only 7th-day Sabbath keepers are actually saved, with the seal of God who keep the 10C law."

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