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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 683939 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#423115 Feb 16, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Drivel.
The NT didn't provide any instructions on how Chrit's church was to be organized.
No Dan, it is not "drivel". The NT does in fact "provide instructions" on "how Christ's church was to be organized." Some just choose to ignore it and instead operate in the 'new and improved' way man feels is best.

Pay attention to the verses below. You will notice I have left out Pope's and Cardinals and whatever else you might be aware of in the Catholic church. Had those offices been mentioned in the Bible I would've included them as a part of the Biblical organization of the church.

1 Tim. 3:1-13
Titus 1:5-9
1 Pet. 5:1-5
Eph. 4:11-16
Heb. 13: 7, 17
Acts 14:23, 11:30, 15:2, 4, 6, 22-23, 16:4, 20:17, 21:18
James 5:14
1 Pet. 5:1, 5
1 Tim. 5:17, 19
John 10:1-19
Matt: 20:20-28
1 Thess. 5:12
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#423116 Feb 16, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
The importance is which Church was described in scripture. That WAS your question, recall?
The Catholic Church resembles the scriptural church and I gave a few examples why - beliefs and practice found in scripture. None of those beliefs are held by the Church of Christ.
Those were the beliefs I asked you to explain. You mentioned a few things but you never explained their importance.

You've spun me in so many posts now I can't remember what they were.
guest

United States

#423117 Feb 16, 2013
Dan wrote:
The importance is which Church was described in scripture. That WAS your question, recall?
The Catholic Church resembles the scriptural church and I gave a few examples why - beliefs and practice found in scripture. None of those beliefs are held by the Church of Christ.
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Saban fan wrote:
Those were the beliefs I asked you to explain. You mentioned a few things but you never explained their importance.
You've spun me in so many posts now I can't remember what they were.
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He can't remember what they are, either. All Catholics remember is what the pope tells them to remember.
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#423118 Feb 17, 2013
that aint right wrote:
Guest~
If I may, what you have just described is why there are protestants and catholics. When the Church split, these were the topics that were discussed.
A Catholic will stand with their denomination just as a Baptist will theirs.
that is the problem, we all should stand with God.
God alone is the start and finisher of our faith.
Denomination means absolutely nothing.
We are not to stand on our denomination, but on the Rock of our Salvation, Jesus Christ.
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#423119 Feb 17, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
The importance is which Church was described in scripture. That WAS your question, recall?
The Catholic Church resembles the scriptural church and I gave a few examples why - beliefs and practice found in scripture. None of those beliefs are held by the Church of Christ.

xxx

Sorry Dan there is no way that the catholic church resembles the early church are you kidding, no Church does

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#423120 Feb 17, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
No Dan, it is not "drivel". The NT does in fact "provide instructions" on "how Christ's church was to be organized." Some just choose to ignore it and instead operate in the 'new and improved' way man feels is best.
Pay attention to the verses below. You will notice I have left out Pope's and Cardinals and whatever else you might be aware of in the Catholic church. Had those offices been mentioned in the Bible I would've included them as a part of the Biblical organization of the church.
1 Tim. 3:1-13
Titus 1:5-9
1 Pet. 5:1-5
Eph. 4:11-16
Heb. 13: 7, 17
Acts 14:23, 11:30, 15:2, 4, 6, 22-23, 16:4, 20:17, 21:18
James 5:14
1 Pet. 5:1, 5
1 Tim. 5:17, 19
John 10:1-19
Matt: 20:20-28
1 Thess. 5:12
Yep. Paul contradicted Jesus constantly.

Thanks for pointing that out.

"Wherever two or more are gathered in my name, there am I ."

Of course there isn't any money or power to be gained following Jesus. Good thing Paul showed everyone how to make a buck off Jesus' blood.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#423121 Feb 17, 2013
LTM wrote:
... there is no way that the catholic church resembles the early church are you kidding, no Church does
Exactly!
truth

Morley, Australia

#423122 Feb 17, 2013
no he not say like that

they will say in last they where is that god
who is better then us

they will tell you
here here here there there and there

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooo
its within you

did you sold your soul to whom

byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
truth

Morley, Australia

#423123 Feb 17, 2013
all of you serve devil

nothing to do with real creator
less with
real jesus or his mother

evil upon evil liars upon liars and so on

you not honor me
less love me
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#423124 Feb 17, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep. Paul contradicted Jesus constantly.
Thanks for pointing that out.
"Wherever two or more are gathered in my name, there am I ."
Of course there isn't any money or power to be gained following Jesus. Good thing Paul showed everyone how to make a buck off Jesus' blood.
So is there anything Paul said that I should believe? Did Jesus make a mistake converting Paul?
truth

Morley, Australia

#423125 Feb 17, 2013
devil is always devil
satanic wicket develish people calling themself holy

you used my name
name opf my family

now

i don't respect evil justice which others set up on evil develish corupt wayyyyyy

byyy

no you have my nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oo
evillllllllllllllllllllll
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#423127 Feb 17, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep. Paul contradicted Jesus constantly.
Thanks for pointing that out.
"Wherever two or more are gathered in my name, there am I ."
Of course there isn't any money or power to be gained following Jesus. Good thing Paul showed everyone how to make a buck off Jesus' blood.
I can still worship God with one or two others just as you have pointed out but I still belong to the church.

When we are placed "in Christ", entering His Kingdom, the church, through our new birth, after our death to sin in the watery grave of baptism for the remission of sins, we are Christians. Our sins have been washed away. Christ paid the price for them, and we become members of His church or His body. He is the "head".

As you mentioned when two or more of us Christians gather together he is there with us.

When say 500 or more of us gather together for worship, and do mission work together and family events together and so on, there are responsibilities among that local flock of the church that have to be tended to. This is where the organization of Christ's church, the Bible way, begins to be of importance. This is when some specific duties need to be assigned and taken care of responsibly. This is where those verses I posted earlier to Dan, apply.

Paul never contradicted Jesus.
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#423128 Feb 17, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Were on here to get to the bottom of things.
I love my job!!
Yes, you should love your job. That's why God sent you here.

You post verifiable facts that turn their lies into mush.

Satan embraces their lies. Facts are the enemy of Satan. You are here to save them.

Good luck.
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#423129 Feb 17, 2013
Two questions for Catholics in bitter denial....

1... According to RCC teachings at the time of Thomas Jefferson's death, would Thomas Jefferson have had any hope of salvation?

Hint: Thomas Jefferson died years before Vatican 2.

2... How is it possible to make one's posts here disappear?

Hint: Though I may be awe-inspiring, I am not that powerful.
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#423130 Feb 17, 2013
Punch Lines, Proof Texts, and Paul
by Dr. J. R. Dodson

“A text taken out of context is a pretext for a proof text; a text taken out of context is a pretext for a proof text; a text taken out of context...”[1] If you were to pop by one of my Exegesis classes, there’s a good chance you’d hear me leading students in that chant.

It’s often followed with “Context-Context-Context. Do not make a verse say something it was never meant to say.” One day, I called this hermeneutical foul on a student; “You cannot take that verse out of context.” To which she replied:“I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.” My stomach turned. My face distorted. I was about to rend my garments and scream “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani ?”(“My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?”). But then I saw it on her face: she had set me up. Her classmates laughed me out of it. And for once, I was glad to be the butt of the joke.

But the scholarly debate demonstrates that Paul’s proof text of Habakkuk 2.4 in Romans 1.17 is no laughing matter. Rather than tapping into the passage’s context that stresses a steadfast trust in God when all Sheol breaks loose, Paul’s citation uses Habakkuk to say something different than what the prophet originally meant. Even so, scholars still argue as to what it is exactly that Paul intends to say through Habakkuk. Does the apostle read a messianic promise into the words of the minor prophet?“Christ, the righteous one, will live on the basis of faith.”(Thus, the Messiah’s faithful life reveals the righteousness of God.)[2] Or, perhaps Paul refashions Habakkuk’s verse into a declaration about obtaining everlasting life.

If the citation is meant to be the latter, a proclamation about salvation, then another question arises. Does “by faith” modify the noun that precedes it in the Greek text or the verb that follows it?[3] That is to say,“by faith” may go with “the righteous”: the person made righteous by faith will live.[4] Contrariwise,“by faith” can modify “will live” so as to stress the means of eternal life: one will be granted everlasting life on the basis of faith. The VOICE translation of Romans 1.17 understands that these options are not mutually exclusive. Indeed, the righteous person has been made righteous by her faith in the faithful Messiah; she will, therefore, receive everlasting life by it.“By faith the just will obtain life (The Voice).”

Although Paul takes the verse out of context, he does not stray too far from its main idea.“The point in Habakkuk is that faith is the key to one’s relationship with God.”[5] However, whereas Habakkuk strained his eyes to see faith beyond the shadows of the impending exile, Paul sees more clearly—since on his way to Damascus he collided with the light of the truth of the gospel of faith.[6]

As for my students, then, unless—on the road to Dallas—Christ appears to them in their Priuses (or is it, Prii?), they should steer clear of taking verses out of context. There’s plenty of wisdom for faith and for life in the original meanings.
Clay

Lawrence, MA

#423131 Feb 17, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
Take the Bible and prove that the saints are in Heaven...
Jesus said
Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
IF THE SAINTS ARE IN HEAVEN...AS YOU ALLEGE?
WHO IS JESUS COMING BACK TO RECEIVE UNTO HIMSELF....,THAT THEY MIGHT BE
.WITH HIM?
who were the Saints bringing the prayers before God in the book of Revelation?

After the Apostles died, many heretics arose (under the guidance of the Devil). They began preaching whatever they wanted about Jesus. most of it fizzled away; it didn't stick. Some of it came back 1,600 yrs later. It still doesn't stick, Confrint.
When people were confused after the Apostles died, they looked to the newest Bishops who were disciples of the Apostles. Ignatius, Polycarp, and Clement of Rome. They had the authority to decide what was valid. They walked with the Apostles and new them personally. The Holy Spirit steered them to truth. After they died, the Holy Spirit did the same with the next group.

Would Christ have it any other way? Would He have a conspiracy ministry until the Ellen Smith arrived 1800 yrs later??

You need to read what the Apostolic fathers thought about Christianity - since they had the luxury of hearing the Gospel in detail from the Apostles mouths.

Catholicbridge.com/catholic/early_church_fath...
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#423132 Feb 17, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
who were the Saints bringing the prayers before God in the book of Revelation?
After the Apostles died, many heretics arose (under the guidance of the Devil). They began preaching whatever they wanted about Jesus. most of it fizzled away; it didn't stick. Some of it came back 1,600 yrs later. It still doesn't stick, Confrint.
When people were confused after the Apostles died, they looked to the newest Bishops who were disciples of the Apostles. Ignatius, Polycarp, and Clement of Rome. They had the authority to decide what was valid. They walked with the Apostles and new them personally. The Holy Spirit steered them to truth. After they died, the Holy Spirit did the same with the next group.
Would Christ have it any other way? Would He have a conspiracy ministry until the Ellen Smith arrived 1800 yrs later??
You need to read what the Apostolic fathers thought about Christianity - since they had the luxury of hearing the Gospel in detail from the Apostles mouths.
Catholicbridge.com/catholic/early_church_fath...
Dead link.

Much like the RCC.

Maybe the new Pope will be "guided" this time and the RCC will no longer be a disgrace to Christianity and become a moral leader instead of a comedy club staple.
Free Mind

Melbourne, FL

#423133 Feb 17, 2013
The question of this thread is....

Why must Catholic theology deny the word "Church" to all other denominations?

What real world evidence do we have to justify such claim?

Are Catholic societies more just?

More educated?

Less violence?

Do Catholics commit fewer crimes?

Do Catholics demonstrate a lower rate of alcohol and drug abuse?

Are Catholic Priests -- with supposed mystical powers direct from Jesus -- more moral than other clergy?

It's been 1600 years. What are the facts? Where is the historical real-life evidence?

Before you attack 99% of America's Founders and the majority of Churches in the USA today...

Please tell us... WHERE'S THE BEEF
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#423134 Feb 17, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
But what about Saint Ignatius of Antioch who was the generation before Justin, and DID hear the word from the Apostles? Were HIS writings corrupted too?
"wherever the Bishop appears, there let the people be, as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful to Baptize or give communion without the consent of the Bishop. On the other hand, whatever has his approval is pleasing to God, thus will be safe and valid"
Or
"take note to those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ who has come to us. They refrain from the Eucharist because they do not confess the Eucharist is the flesh of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Flesh which suffered for our sins and the Father, in His goodness, raised up again. They who deny this gift are perishing in their disputes"
You can't deny that this is what the Apostles taught. This is exactly why the Catholic and Orthodox still believe this 2,000 yrs later and will not bow down to any of the thousands of private interpreters tellin us 'we got it all wrong'. You guys are like little buzzerds picking apart the Holy Church from every angle imaginable. It reeks of something evil- although you yourself may not be evil -you're inadvertently being pawns of the Devil by trying to tear apart his arch enemy.
Ignatius of Antioch
Also called Theophorus (ho Theophoros); born in Syria, around the year
50; died at Rome between 98 and 117.
More than one of the earliest ecclesiastical writers have given
credence, though apparently without good reason, to the legend that
Ignatius was the child whom the Savior took up in His arms, as
described in Mark 9:35. It is also believed, and with great
probability, that, with his friend Polycarp, he was among the auditors
of the Apostle St. John. If we include St. Peter, Ignatius was the
third Bishop of Antioch and the immediate successor of Evodius
(Eusebius, Church History II.3.22). Theodoret ("Dial. Immutab.", I,
iv, 33a, Paris, 1642) is the authority for the statement that St.
Peter appointed Ignatius to the See of Antioch. St. John Chrysostom
lays special emphasis on the honor conferred upon the martyr in
receiving his episcopal consecration at the hands of the Apostles
themselves ("Hom. in St. Ig.", IV. 587). Natalis Alexander quotes
Theodoret to the same effect (III, xii, art. xvi, p. 53).
7Th Day writes:

We most ceertianly know He could not have set in Jesus's lap if he was born in 50 A.D.
LOL

By the time Igntius would have been grown or become the age of 30 the Apostle John would have already been in custody of Rome and being exiled to the island of Patmos.

The above would apply to the following as well.

Polycarp (69 – 155)

It is recorded by Irenaeus, who heard him speak in his youth, and by Tertullian,[3] that he had been a disciple of John the Apostle.[4][5] Saint Jerome wrote that Polycarp was a disciple of John and that John had ordained him bishop of Smyrna.

Peter very doubtful that he even knew Ignautis and biblically a Priest was usually not ordained til 30 or even considered til the age of 25.
He was born about 1 B.C. and died sometime around A.D. 67.
Read more: http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/apost...
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#423135 Feb 17, 2013
Daily Bible Reading from BibleStudyTools.com

February 7, 2013 - King James Version

Hebrews 3:1-19
1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus; 2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house. 3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house. 4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God. 5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after ; 6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end. 7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith , To day if ye will hear his voice, 8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: 9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years. 10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said , They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. 11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.) 12 Take heed , brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. 13 But exhort one another daily , while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; 15 While it is said , To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation. 16 For some, when they had heard , did provoke : howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses. 17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned , whose carcases fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not ? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
Hebrews 4:1-13

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