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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 600246 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#421804 Feb 11, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
Question for any of the advanced Bible students here if there be any. Cain slew Abel but was it a sin?
I think I asked this question once before but no one was able to answer.
slew: to smite with deadly intent:--destroy, out of hand, kill, murder(-er), put to (death), make (slaughter), slay(-er), X surely.

He had intent..he put him to death...that is murder...

One of God's Commandment: Thou shalt do no murder.

Sin: Any thought, word, desire, action, or omission of action, contrary to the law of God, or defective when compared with it.

If that does not answer your question...I don't know what else I can say....
guest

United States

#421805 Feb 11, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
Question for any of the advanced Bible students here if there be any. Cain slew Abel but was it a sin?
I think I asked this question once before but no one was able to answer.
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Murder is a sin.

Cain murdered Abel.

Of course it was a sin.
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#421806 Feb 11, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>END, and that is what you want me to do,is to end the discussion and humble myself to the Catholic teaching.That would be fine if the Catholic teaching just left things that concern only our Father in heaven to Him and Him alone.No man is worthy of being envisioned as the only Source of life,man needs life,it is not a matter of holiness Dust Storm,it is a matter of who is the Source of that Holiness.
God does not want us to be equal to Him,but to be conduits of His love and holiness,we are such sinful creatures outside of Him who bought us with the great price of His Son.
Just because someone declares a person such and such,does not give them the right to claim solo validity before God.i don't claim that the RCC and the Pope claim that.You claim it in your posts in defence to proclaim your church is the only one.YET at the same time God is doing of His good purpose throughout all of Christianity.You would mock any minister or leader of the denominations who called themselves the Holy Father.
Oh we are suppose to accept that title for the Pope because your church claims it was started at Pentecost?Which it was not,how obvious is that?
It is a matter of conscience as well.How can we as believers call your Pope the Holy Father,when we read in Scripture that God our Father is the only Holy Father? It is only our faith and duty as believers to challenge something so important as to what your Pope is called on a daily basis,and that by your own words have declared that we basically are invalid because we do not accept those teachings,and those titles given to your Pope by men,not God.Good Night!
All you did is regurgitate your projections. You still have not addressed Steve Rays point or any of mine for that matter. Call no man Rabbi. I dont accept your title of Doctors (teachers) either. Those are man made titles teaching every wave of doctrine. I am sure the Pope believes he is God since you have concluded thus. He couldnt be a humble servant of God as he said. No, that wouldnt fit your portrait. He couldnt be consecrated to God. No Its odd that you have the authority to say who is Christian and who is not, and all is clear. Your personal validation is required thanks for clearing that up. Good night Indeed.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#421807 Feb 11, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
Question for any of the advanced Bible students here if there be any. Cain slew Abel but was it a sin?
I think I asked this question once before but no one was able to answer.
James 4:17 Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn't do it, sins.

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#421808 Feb 11, 2013
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7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
<quoted text>James 4:17 Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn't do it, sins.
What does that have to do with the price of eggs in China!!!!????

“YESHUA IS LORD”

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#421809 Feb 11, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
<quoted text>Of course it was he had knowledge of Good and Evil and already new of death through animal sacrifice seeing Adam and Eve had coats of skin etc.
Hmmm.However scripture tellsus that sinis the transgression of Gods lawand that where there is no law then there is no sin. There is no scriptural evidence that God had given them a law against killing another person at that time and since there was no law against murder,then did Cain sin when he slew Abel? I like to make people think when they study the scriptures and that question definitely makes one think.

“YESHUA IS LORD”

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#421810 Feb 11, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
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James 4:17 Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn't do it, sins.
But where there is no law then there is no sin. We are given the definition of what sin is in Gods word and the definition says that sin is the transgression of Gods law and where there is no law ,then there is no sin. So according to your quote of James 4:17 then should wecall thisoneof those contradictions that some say the Bible is full of?

“YESHUA IS LORD”

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#421811 Feb 11, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
slew: to smite with deadly intent:--destroy, out of hand, kill, murder(-er), put to (death), make (slaughter), slay(-er), X surely.
He had intent..he put him to death...that is murder...
One of God's Commandment: Thou shalt do no murder.
Sin: Any thought, word, desire, action, or omission of action, contrary to the law of God, or defective when compared with it.
If that does not answer your question...I don't know what else I can say....
They weren't given the law against murder till Moses and at the time they had no law against murder.

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

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#421812 Feb 11, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
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James 4:17 Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn't do it, sins.
Then what do we do with Romans4:15?

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#421813 Feb 11, 2013
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Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>They weren't given the law against murder till Moses and at the time they had no law against murder.
He knew he had sinned...His words: And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.{My...: or, Mine iniquity is greater than that it may be forgiven}

Iniquity..anomia, violation of law or (genitive case) wickedness:--iniquity, X transgress(-ion of) the law, unrighteousness.

Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

Parallel verse: Ge 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man

It was not O.K. to murder...from the day that Adam/Eve brought sin into the world...
Pastor Edson Sanecki

Quezon City, Philippines

#421814 Feb 11, 2013
Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican
Elizabeth wrote:
As someone who is catholic and was raised in the faith, I find this truly offensive that the Pope would make a statement like this. It is making me seriously consider leaving the church. As long as popele believe in God and the holy trinity, why does it matter whether they believe as catholics, methodists, lutherans, etc? I think Benedict has gone too far with this statement and I do believe it is going to hurt the catholic church in the long run.
I fully agree with you. I'd like to ask a question, "what is the Biblical definition of Church? From the Greek language the meaning is: The ones that are called out. These are the ones that have been called out from the world (sin). The Church is therefore a body of believers, people that have heard the Gospel Message and responded to Jesus. The Gospel of St. John says in Chapter 1:12, "But as many as received Him,to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name,"

Let's face the Truth, Jesus said I'm the Way the Truth and the Life, No one comes to the Father except through Me."

Denominations are not the answer, Jesus is the answer. My faith is not in man made doctrines but the Word of God. Which denomination did The Blessed Virgin Mary belong to? Which Church did Jesus attend? Were Peter, Paul, Andrew and John Catholics?, Baptists?, Methodists? I know that you know the answer. The question was asked in Acts 16:30, What must I do to be saved? The answer in Acts 16:31 was, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, you and your household will be saved. Let's put our faith in Jesus Christ, He is the Saviour of the world. Only Jesus can save. Trust in Him.
guest

United States

#421815 Feb 11, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
slew: to smite with deadly intent:--destroy, out of hand, kill, murder(-er), put to (death), make (slaughter), slay(-er), X surely.
He had intent..he put him to death...that is murder...
One of God's Commandment: Thou shalt do no murder.
Sin: Any thought, word, desire, action, or omission of action, contrary to the law of God, or defective when compared with it.
If that does not answer your question...I don't know what else I can say....
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Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>They weren't given the law against murder till Moses and at the time they had no law against murder.
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Now how did I know you were gonna go there?
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The "knew" right from wrong and Adam and Eve were cast out of the Garden for this very reason. They KNEW and they also knew that they couldn't *hide* from God, but they tried.
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Now Eve gave the fruit to Adam and he ate, rather than rebuking her ... Adam didn't want to lose his wife.
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Cain knew it was wrong to murder, for when God asked him about his brother's whereabouts he was evasive and said, "Am I my brother's keeper?"
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And in answer God said that Abel's blood was crying out to him from the ground.
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Cain knew he did wrong - otherwise why be evasive?
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They didn't need a "law" to know right from wrong.
socci

Plattsburg, MO

#421816 Feb 11, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
Then what do we do with Romans 4:15?

Ro 4 is a study about Abraham and justified by faith not the law of Moses's sacrificial system that was nailed to the cross (Col 2:14)

The 10C law are God's characted that is the same yesterday today and forever. The 10C was known and law from the very beginning. Sabbath, no other god's, murder, theft, lying - they are all there.

Ten C from creation

www.keyway.ca/htm2007/20070619.htm

When Israel came out of pagan Egypt God had to remind them of their God and his law. This is when the ten commandments were given on Mt Sinai, to remind Israel. However the law has always been and are for all God's people.
guest

United States

#421817 Feb 11, 2013
correction:
THEY "knew" ......

The "knew" right from wrong and Adam and Eve were cast out of the Garden for this very reason. They KNEW and they also knew that they couldn't *hide* from God, but they tried.

“YESHUA IS LORD”

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#421818 Feb 11, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
811
<quoted text>
He knew he had sinned...His words: And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.{My...: or, Mine iniquity is greater than that it may be forgiven}
Iniquity..anomia, violation of law or (genitive case) wickedness:--iniquity, X transgress(-ion of) the law, unrighteousness.
Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
Parallel verse: Ge 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man
It was not O.K. to murder...from the day that Adam/Eve brought sin into the world...
We'll just say that it's just yet another one of those seemingly mis-understood contradictions that is written in scripture.By the way Adam and Eve DID NOT bring sin into the world....Satan did.

“YESHUA IS LORD”

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#421819 Feb 11, 2013
guest wrote:
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Now how did I know you were gonna go there?
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The "knew" right from wrong and Adam and Eve were cast out of the Garden for this very reason. They KNEW and they also knew that they couldn't *hide* from God, but they tried.
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Now Eve gave the fruit to Adam and he ate, rather than rebuking her ... Adam didn't want to lose his wife.
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Cain knew it was wrong to murder, for when God asked him about his brother's whereabouts he was evasive and said, "Am I my brother's keeper?"
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And in answer God said that Abel's blood was crying out to him from the ground.
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Cain knew he did wrong - otherwise why be evasive?
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They didn't need a "law" to know right from wrong.
Well I'll say that Adam and Eve had the law not to "touch" the forbidden fruit. When they disobeyed God and touched the forbidden fruit then THEY SINNED for God had given them a law not to touch that fruit so when they touched the fruit they transgressed Gods law which technically is the definition of sin. There is still no evidence that they had been told not to murder.

By the way it wasn't fruit that they ate or touched. What they did had nothing to dowith eating some forbidden produce.

“YESHUA IS LORD”

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#421820 Feb 11, 2013
Many Christians confuse MURDER with killing. God has given us instructions to kill those that murder so why do some Christians confuse the two and argue against the death penalty for any reason when God instructed us to kill murderers? There is MUCH confusion in Christianity.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#421821 Feb 11, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text> But where there is no law then there is no sin. We are given the definition of what sin is in Gods word and the definition says that sin is the transgression of Gods law and where there is no law ,then there is no sin. So according to your quote of James 4:17 then should wecall thisoneof those contradictions that some say the Bible is full of?
Yes there was Gods Law because the children of israel had been in egypt for 400 years God had to make it known to them.

The consequences of sin his death. God til Adam and eve in the day you eat of the tree of knowledge you will surely die. At that point in time Gods law was made known to Adam and Eve.

(James 1:15 KJV) Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

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#421822 Feb 11, 2013
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Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text> We'll just say that it's just yet another one of those seemingly mis-understood contradictions that is written in scripture.By the way Adam and Eve DID NOT bring sin into the world....Satan did.
I can only show you the truth from God's Word...you have a God given right to reject His teaching....

BTW...When Moses killed the Egyptian...he fled into exile for 40 years before God called on him to save His people from slavery...

If he did not know he had done an evil and unrighteous thing....why did he run????
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#421823 Feb 11, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>Then what do we do with Romans4:15?
That is referring to the children of promise by faith we are Abrahams seed.

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