Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 20 comments on the Jul 10, 2007, CBC News story titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Truth

Leesburg, VA

#421313 Feb 10, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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I still haven't been shown where my submission to baptism was a work. Why wouldn't faith be a "work"? You have to do something to have faith (hear and believe). To learn Covey's 7 Habits I would have to read and study his work - is this not work for me?
Romans 6:3-4 does a great job of showing what happens during baptism. We die to sin and we're buried. Our old life is in the grave. Just as Christ was raised from the grave leaving our sins behind, we are raised to walk in newness of life as new creatures, members of his body, "in" him, and members of His Kingdom or church.
Was Noah saved by Grace?
Was Noah saved by faith alone?
Was Noah saved by works?
God had given the Children of Israel the victory, but they had to have obedient faith to attain it. They had to go through the water (Red Sea-which is a great symbol of Jesus blood and baptism that would come later)
We have no issue with Verses like John 3:16. They're true! If we believe we will be saved - because if we believe we will (as Noah did) do as we're instructed to do.(Acts 2:38).
We are not justified by faith alone.
Baptism is a work....not of man...but the working of God....

Colossians 2:12

12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the [working of God,] who raised him from the dead.
Clay

United States

#421314 Feb 10, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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So God would not be capable of leaving His inspired Word with us once and for all in a medium that any person could use to know how to follow God's will?
We will just have to agree to disagree. I cannot imagine God leaving us the Bible if it were essentially worthless in meaning and if it was something ever-changing depending upon the man-made framework of the Catholic Church.
I'm curious, if you are correct in your thoughts about the Bible, how will we be able to know who the false teachers are? The NT warns us of false teachers! How will I be able to recognize them if the scripture that warns me of them is not a reliable basis for recognizing them?
The Bible is not worthless meaning to Catholics. I hope you don't think that. Its Sacred Scripture. And along with Sacred Traditions, they flow together in perfect harmony.
One of The 42,000 Christian sects would be the original. Therefore they'd have the authority. I'm sorry, but I just can't see how the current group that calls itself the "Church of Christ" could be the original. Who are their Apostolic fathers? Where are their other writings outside of The Bible? Who were some of their early leaders? The Catholic Church can show its the same body from the first century. Now, whether or not this group became corrupted under Constantine is a hot debate. But that would not be Biblical, because Christ promised the gates of hell wouldn't prevail against His Church. Therefore, a Roman Emperor surely would not either.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#421315 Feb 10, 2013
John 8:30 shows us another example of belief in Jesus by people that do not seem to be saved, if you are to believe John 8:44. Faith alone must not have been enough to save them.

James 2 is another example. We read "faith without works is dead" and later in verse 19 we are told that "even the demons believe - and tremble"

If the demons believe in God, and if Satan believes in God, is the belief they have sufficient to save them?

Is faith by itself enough to save?

Eph. 2:8 and Rom. 3:22 are often quoted, yet there is an obvious difference in the NT between dead faith and obedient faith. When faith obeys God it becomes living faith.

Heb. 11 is full of examples of living faith.

What is the first step for our faith to become a living faith? Read Acts 2:40-41; 8:12, 35-36, 16: 14-15, 32-33.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#421316 Feb 10, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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Have I ever said we could save ourselves through baptism? That is a strawman argument. We're it not for God's grace no one could be saved - we agree on that point.
Was Noah saved by God's grace?
Salvation = God's part
Man's part
alan

Kansas City, MO

#421317 Feb 10, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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The demons knew Jesus was Lord, right? We're they saved?
Only through the blood of Christ does my baptism have any meaning - I'll agree with you there.
Was Noah saved by water? Was Noah saved by the ark?
Was Noah saved by God's grace? Yes!
Did Noah believe in God? Yes. Was that enough to save him, or did he have to have an obedient faith?
Are we saved by God's grace? Yes!
But we, like Noah must have an obedient faith. Why is there so much attention given to baptism in scripture?
You can regugitate all the verses you want........brainwashed cult BS!!
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#421318 Feb 10, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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Have I ever said we could save ourselves through baptism? That is a strawman argument. We're it not for God's grace no one could be saved - we agree on that point.
Was Noah saved by God's grace?
Noah worked according to what God's plan was in order to be saved.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#421319 Feb 10, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
EVEN DUCT TAPE CANT FIX STUPID(catholicism),
all it can do is muffle the sound
What would jesus do or say? I love watching 'christians' fighting each other!

god loves me best!

No, god loves me best!

You're going to Hell!

No way! You're going to Hell!

Didn't jesus say,'Love thy neighbor"?

You all sound like you listen to your jesus! LOL!
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#421320 Feb 10, 2013
marge wrote:
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Because water baptism is a picture of Holy Spirit Baptism, a teaching tool about a new birth in Christ Jesus, by getting water baptized Paul was showing he believed in and received Jesus as his Saviour.
Marge.....

I have tried to explain to you several times....

Holy Spirit baptism that the APOSTLES received WAS NOT/IS NOT in water......it is BAPTISM of the HOLY SPIRIT w/fire (POWER)......

We DO NOT/CANNOT receive this baptism today.....
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#421321 Feb 10, 2013
Clay wrote:
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The Bible is not worthless meaning to Catholics. I hope you don't think that. Its Sacred Scripture. And along with Sacred Traditions, they flow together in perfect harmony.
One of The 42,000 Christian sects would be the original. Therefore they'd have the authority. I'm sorry, but I just can't see how the current group that calls itself the "Church of Christ" could be the original. Who are their Apostolic fathers? Where are their other writings outside of The Bible? Who were some of their early leaders? The Catholic Church can show its the same body from the first century. Now, whether or not this group became corrupted under Constantine is a hot debate. But that would not be Biblical, because Christ promised the gates of hell wouldn't prevail against His Church. Therefore, a Roman Emperor surely would not either.
I think we will all agree the early leaders of the church were the Apostles. Jesus is the cornerstone, they are the foundation. The book 'Traces of the Kingdom' does a nice job of highlighting Christ's church throughout history. I'm not saying that the Catholic Church doesn't have a direct line back to the original church Christ established, but it doesn't operate, it isn't governed, nor does it worship in the same manner the church did in the 1st Century.

The people in the church of Christ are the same as the people in any church - imperfect. And, if the message conflicts with the scriptures, I don't believe it is the church of Christ. Of the seven churches spoken of in Revelation, many had issues and only two were shown as examples of how the church should be.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#421322 Feb 10, 2013
Truth,

I haven't been here long, but so far I am in agreement with all of your replies to my posts.

Thanks for the additional comments.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#421323 Feb 10, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
Women catholic priests website.
http://romancatholicwomenpriests.org/ordained...
BIG CHANGES are coming....the followers will demand it.
Prodigal son rebellious and defiant (so-called Catholics) can "demand" all they want! Fact is that NO ONE is listening to their
beligerent "demands" of "secular humanism" Christianity!
Big changes in the Catholic Church will NEVER COME from "emancipated liberal nuns" or "politically correct (rebel Catholics). If they "don't like" the TRUE biblical, historical and doctrinal TRUE teachings of the Catholic Church, NO ONE is begging them to say!! They can "go down the block" to one of the nearest 42,000+ contracting and inconsistent Protestant Churches and they will (pacify, appease and tell them (exactly)"what they want to hear'!--More chaos, more confusion, more secular humanism and more conflicting "personal opinion" bible only mis-interpretating "hodge-podge" of Sacred Scripture. The fact is Michael---you can too can join them, and then you can "continue" your attacking and ripping on what they teach. Good luck!! Don't let the door hit you on your "rear end" as you leave!!!

Since: Nov 08

usa

#421324 Feb 10, 2013
two days no power,got 26" of snow,anyone else get wacked by this storm? have i missed anything? did hojo,regina or anothony answer my question yet? or are they still stone walling?
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#421325 Feb 10, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
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The right thing to do. Be TRUTHFUL.
Yes! That is what we as Catholics have been telling you over and over again! BE TRUTHFUL!! Unfortunately--"TRUTH " has escaped you and is not a word in your vocabulary!! Exaggerated and "overblown" National Inquire kind of distorted (truth?????) is the ONLY thing you know, post and read. "No wonder" you left the Catholic Church!! "No wonder you have rejected, twisted and manipulated" the TRUE FACTS and the TRUTH of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and His One True Catholic Church!!
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#421326 Feb 10, 2013
hojo wrote:
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Prodigal son rebellious and defiant (so-called Catholics) can "demand" all they want! Fact is that NO ONE is listening to their
beligerent "demands" of "secular humanism" Christianity!
Big changes in the Catholic Church will NEVER COME from "emancipated liberal nuns" or "politically correct (rebel Catholics). If they "don't like" the TRUE biblical, historical and doctrinal TRUE teachings of the Catholic Church, NO ONE is begging them to say!! They can "go down the block" to one of the nearest 42,000+ contracting and inconsistent Protestant Churches and they will (pacify, appease and tell them (exactly)"what they want to hear'!--More chaos, more confusion, more secular humanism and more conflicting "personal opinion" bible only mis-interpretating "hodge-podge" of Sacred Scripture. The fact is Michael---you can too can join them, and then you can "continue" your attacking and ripping on what they teach. Good luck!! Don't let the door hit you on your "rear end" as you leave!!!
Why do you get so angry because society in general is MOVING away from what you believe?

The best country in the world the USA and in less than 450 years the protestant movements have established 50% of the population of america while catholicsm stands at 23% after 2,000 years.

Today, MOST catholics reside in poor uneducated countries where education and learning abilities is far down the priority list.

off topic:

Deceased Cardinal Carlos Martini says the roman catholic church is 200 years behind the times. Do you disagree with the good Cardinal?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-21974...

One day in the not too distant future roman catholic priests will be given the choice of optional celebacy, and you then HOJO will say "WHAT A GREAT IDEA" or will you say "I WILL NOT FOLLOW THOSE NEW TEACHINGS"

You will do as they tell you. You are not allowed to use your own conscience while you are a catholic.

Keep doing what they tell you, shut down your mind, and put it on cruise control.

something is terribly wrong HOJO....

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#421327 Feb 10, 2013
250
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Powerful,truth,undenia bly frank.
Reason???? It is based on Scripture....
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#421328 Feb 10, 2013
Today right across america by far MOST roman catholics use or have used forms of birth control the catholic church says is sinful.

Today MOST Roman catholics do not attend mandatory sunday mass weekly. Bishops in america claim less than 1 in 4 catholics practice weekly mass attendance. The church says its a mortal sin.

Its obvious catholics in greater numbers are out of complete touch with the church they were baptized in.

There might be 68 million american catholics but only a few million actually practice what is preached to them.......that is not good!



MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#421329 Feb 10, 2013
Clay wrote:
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The Bible is not worthless meaning to Catholics. I hope you don't think that. Its Sacred Scripture. And along with Sacred Traditions, they flow together in perfect harmony.
One of The 42,000 Christian sects would be the original. Therefore they'd have the authority. I'm sorry, but I just can't see how the current group that calls itself the "Church of Christ" could be the original. Who are their Apostolic fathers? Where are their other writings outside of The Bible? Who were some of their early leaders? The Catholic Church can show its the same body from the first century. Now, whether or not this group became corrupted under Constantine is a hot debate. But that would not be Biblical, because Christ promised the gates of hell wouldn't prevail against His Church. Therefore, a Roman Emperor surely would not either.
Clay, what is your opinion on the vatican bank money laundering scandals? This story was HUGE last year in western europe.

What say you, the knower of everything catholic? I am sure you are concerned of wrong doings.

http://www.justmeans.com/Black-As-Sin-Vatican...

Bank scandals, abuse scandals, wayward nuns in america, priests forming unions, Vatican cardinal claiming the church is wayyyy behind the times........not looking good Claypool.

something is terribly wrong! I am sure you as a financial and spiritual contributor is concerned.

I thought the holy spirit guided the church. Interesting!!

alan

Kansas City, MO

#421330 Feb 10, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
Today right across america by far MOST roman catholics use or have used forms of birth control the catholic church says is sinful.
Today MOST Roman catholics do not attend mandatory sunday mass weekly. Bishops in america claim less than 1 in 4 catholics practice weekly mass attendance. The church says its a mortal sin.
Its obvious catholics in greater numbers are out of complete touch with the church they were baptized in.
There might be 68 million american catholics but only a few million actually practice what is preached to them.......that is not good!
Priests practice birth control on young boys. Wait, different form of birth control.So, religions do practice what they preach.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#421331 Feb 10, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
Truth,
I haven't been here long, but so far I am in agreement with all of your replies to my posts.
Thanks for the additional comments.
You are welcome....
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#421332 Feb 10, 2013
marge wrote:
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[[Baptism by immersion, while it is the most biblical mode of identifying with Christ, is not (as some believe) a prerequisite for salvation. It is rather an act of obedience, a public proclamation of faith in Christ and identification with Him. Baptism is a picture of our leaving our old life and becoming a new creation (2 Corinthians 5:17). Baptism by immersion is the only mode that fully illustrates this radical change.]](QUOTE)
YEP!!!
Marge,

How do you become "into Christ???"

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