Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 20 comments on the Jul 10, 2007, CBC News story titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#421150 Feb 9, 2013
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atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>what part of these words do you have a problem understanding?
for instance, the Bible records a person saying these words' we know that God doesnt hear the prayer of a sinner", and to the Christian that is Saved,we know that not to be true.
Firstly....You are not a Christian until you are Saved.

Secondly, you are saying that Christians know that not all that is written in the Bible is true!!!! And you gave this example: the Bible records a person saying these words' we know that God doesnt hear the prayer of a sinner", and to the Christian that is Saved,we know that not to be true.

I have quoted the Scripture: Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

My question says that I understand it to say that God hears not sinners. I have quoted a parallel verse that says he does not answer all prayers. Quote: They cried, but there was none to save them: even unto the LORD, but he answered them not.

My question remains, per Scripture, if that does not teach that God hears not the prayer of a sinner...and that not all prayers are answered, what, exactly, is Scripture saying??????
Guest

Poplar Bluff, MO

#421151 Feb 9, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
USING WIKI TO HELP YOU OUT. I ALREADY KNOW THIS:
The development of the embryo is called embryogenesis. In organisms that reproduce sexually, once a sperm(God has no sperm, since he isnt human) fertilizes an egg cell, the result is a cell called the zygote, which possesses {{{half the DNA of each of its two parents}]]]. SEE THIS: GOD HAS NO DNA.
NOW LOOK CLOSELY AT THIS ONE WORD[IMPLANTATION]:
5–7 days after fertilization, the blastocyst attaches to the wall of the uterus (endometrium). When it comes into contact with the endometrium it performs implantation. Implantation connections between the mother and the embryo will begin to form, including the umbilical cord.
HERE IS WHERE THE EMBRYO BEGINS TO TAKE THE HUMANIZATION FROM MARY(SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HER).
this isnt the least difficult to understand, it is very simple and it occurrs with every child born.
the Bible speaks of the Holy Ghost "overshadowing' Mary. that in and of itself clearly indicates that God the Father used Him to infuse Jesus into Her body, just as on several occasions, we find that the Holy Ghost moved Jesus from one place to another.
and dusty lied when she said that I beleive that Jesus was born without the umbilical cord since that begins to form in this process of implantation as mentioned beforehand.
to say that God the Father had intercourse with mary is heresy at its worst.
You have absolutley lost it. One does not have sex by artificial insemination nor by concieving through the Holy Spirit.

Christ gave to New Commandments with the same concept of th eoriginal 10 in which all the law hangs on along with two ordinances, Baptism and the Lords Supper to do as Oft as thy will and to be preached to all the world in which Ananias instructed paul SAUL/Paul in doing.

12 And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,

13 Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him.

14 And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee,....[ that thou shouldest know his will........], and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.

15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.

16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#421152 Feb 9, 2013
"What is the meaning of the blood of Christ?"

Answer: The phrase “blood of Christ” is used several times in the New Testament and is the expression of the sacrificial death and full atoning work of Jesus on our behalf. References to the Savior’s blood include the reality that He literally bled on the cross, but more significantly that He bled and died for sinners. The blood of Christ has the power to atone for an infinite number of sins committed by an infinite number of people throughout the ages, and all whose faith rests in that blood will be saved.

The reality of the blood of Christ as the means of atonement for sin has its origin in the Mosaic Law. Once a year, the priest was to make an offering of the blood of animals on the altar of the temple for the sins of the people.“In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness”(Hebrews 9:22). But this was a blood offering that was limited in its effectiveness, which is why it had to be offered again and again. This was a foreshadowing of the “once for all” sacrifice which Jesus offered on the cross (Hebrews 7:27). Once that sacrifice was made, there was no longer a need for the blood of bulls and goats.

The blood of Christ is the basis of the New Covenant. On the night before He went to the cross, Jesus offered the cup of wine to His disciples and said, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you”(Luke 22:20). The pouring of the wine in the cup symbolized the blood of Christ which would be poured out for all who would ever believe in Him. When He shed His blood on the cross, He did away with the Old Covenant requirement for the continual sacrifices of animals. Their blood was not sufficient to cover the sins of the people, except on a temporary basis, because sin against a holy and infinite God requires a holy and infinite sacrifice.“But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins, because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins”(Hebrews 10:3). While the blood of bulls and goats were a “reminder” of sin,“the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect”(1 Peter 1:19) paid in full the debt of sin we owe to God, and we need no further sacrifices for sin. Jesus said,“It is finished” as He was dying, and He meant just that—the entire work of redemption was completed forever,“having obtained eternal redemption” for us (Hebrews 9:12).

Not only does the blood of Christ redeem believers from sin and eternal punishment, but “His blood will make our consciences pure from useless acts so we may serve the living God”(Hebrews 9:14 NCV). This means that not only are we now free from having to offer sacrifices which are “useless” to obtain salvation, but we are free from having to rely on worthless and unproductive works of the flesh to please God. Because the blood of Christ has redeemed us, we are now new creations in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17), and by His blood we are freed from sin to serve the living God, to glorify Him, and to enjoy Him forever.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#421153 Feb 9, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>he didnt know that Paul [needed] to be Baptised since he was already saved.
no minister should ever tell any person when they should be Baptised. that person should tell the minister when they feel that it is time to be Baptised as they are moved by the Holy Ghost.
I guess Peter was out of line to tell people to be baptized for the remission of their sins after they asked him what must they do to be saved.

Was Peter wrong in giving that command? Or were they already saved and still asking what they must do to be saved?
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#421154 Feb 9, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>he didnt know that Paul [needed] to be Baptised since he was already saved.
no minister should ever tell any person when they should be Baptised. that person should tell the minister when they feel that it is time to be Baptised as they are moved by the Holy Ghost.
Also, why then would Ananias baptize him? If he were saved already - WHY Baptize?
Guest

Poplar Bluff, MO

#421155 Feb 9, 2013
Guest wrote:
<quoted text>You have absolutley lost it. One does not have sex by artificial insemination nor by concieving through the Holy Spirit.
Christ gave to New Commandments with the same concept of th eoriginal 10 in which all the law hangs on along with two ordinances, Baptism and the Lords Supper to do as Oft as thy will and to be preached to all the world in which Ananias instructed paul SAUL/Paul in doing.
12 And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,
13 Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him.
14 And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee,....[ that thou shouldest know his will........], and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
P.S.

definitions, meanings, and notes for that particular Isaiah 42 verse.

Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; my elect, in whom my soul delights; I have put my spirit on him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

Isaiah 42:2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.

Isaiah 42:3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment to truth.

Isaiah 42:4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth:......[and the isles shall wait for his law......]
Guest

Poplar Bluff, MO

#421156 Feb 9, 2013
Hope everyone had a wonderful Sabbath !!!!
truth

Perth, Australia

#421157 Feb 9, 2013
my both feet..my both hand..its start again..come and gone like never exist..

i have to be died..i don't past in this house 10 years..another lady died on this place..
i hold that day..10 years ago..i see funeral in this house..i see myself in black i see my kids as well casket box ..is that happen to me..nooooooo

i hold and extend life to someone who struggle and been direct target include us with him..i am still alive..its not happen..struggle..yes and no..but i am alive..
I trust in you Jesus.
Did you fill that hand?
When Jesus took you for hand as child what you will do as adult but you are not child..we are all children of one Creator.
truth

Perth, Australia

#421158 Feb 9, 2013
When others prepare many things when every door become close, remember Christ..pray he can hear prayers.
For him does meter are you cry or shout..he know all your need as well problems..o don't worry what others going tell you..its not very important its just have impact what they want..you asked only one thing.
Pray God can hear prayers.

Log is not mother Mary milk.
Every spirit is not word of real God.
truth

Perth, Australia

#421159 Feb 9, 2013
Did he say like that;
'I am Lord you pray cry and shout..oh I don't want you.'

No dear children as we are children even if we are adults..because within we are children with not sold soul.
Did you sold your soul?

pad will tell you as well..
truth

Perth, Australia

#421160 Feb 9, 2013
http://www.google.com.au/search...

pray for pad..he or she don't liked rosary

http://www.google.com.au/search...

Did you pray mum..please mum don't tell anyone..he not pray no..but god know why he left over him..mum did you pray..yes mum pray.
marge

Ames, IA

#421161 Feb 9, 2013
John answered them all, "I baptize you with water. But one more powerful than I will come, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.

Since: Jan 08

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#421162 Feb 9, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
Also, why then would Ananias baptize him? If he were saved already - WHY Baptize?
Baptism doesnt save any person. Only the Blood of Jesus saves a Person as it is written, without the shedding of Blood, there is no remission of sin(hebrew 9:22).

if water SAVED any person, then Jesus would not have had to lose His life for the Unsaved.

I realize that you belong to the campbellite cult,and really are sincere in your beliefs, but you are sincerely WRONG.

Ananias baptised Paul thinking that this act would save paul, and he did it in ignorance of the Scriptures, just like your church does today.and the catholics also.

and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him.

4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?

5 Who are you, Lord? Saul asked. I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting, he replied.

here Paul acknowledges that Jesus is Lord and his Lord.maing paul a Christian already and a candidatge to be Baptised by ananias, now on the other hand if Paul doesnt acknowledge Jesus as Lord, he would have been a person who just got wet and that would have been it.

speaking for myself, I was Saved on 8/25/82, filled with the Holy Ghost on 8/27/82 and Baptised by water on May 28, 1983.

and speaking for YOU, if you got baptsied by water(whatever day) you still are not a Christian if you are depending on that ritual saving your soul.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#421163 Feb 9, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
Also, why then would Ananias baptize him? If he were saved already - WHY Baptize?
You must know that Paul was already saved,.Damascus
Acts 22:16 does not teach that baptism is necessary for salvation?"

the Bible is clear that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not by works of any kind, including baptism (Ephesians 2:8-9). So, any interpretation which comes to the conclusion that baptism, or any other act, is necessary for salvation, is a faulty interpretation.

Acts 22:16, "And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name."
1. Paul said that he did not receive or hear the Gospel from Ananias, but rather he heard it directly from Christ.
Galatians 1:11-12 says, "For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ." So, Paul heard and believed in Christ on the road to Damascus. Paul had already believed in Christ when Ananias came to pray for him to receive his sight (Acts 9:17).

2. It also should be noted that Paul at the time when Ananias prayed for him to receive his sight, he also received the Holy Spirit (Acts 9:17)--this was before he was baptized (Acts 9:18). Acts presents a transition period where God's focus turns from Israel to the Church. The events recorded in Acts are not always normative. With regard to receiving the Holy Spirit, the norm is that a person receives and is permanently indwelt by the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation.

3. The Greek aorist participle, epikalesamenos, translated "calling on His name" refers either to action that is simultaneous with or before that of the main verb, "be baptized." Here Paul’s calling on Christ’s name for salvation preceded his water baptism. The participle may be translated "having called on His name" which makes more sense, as it would clearly indicate the order of the events.

4. Concerning the words, "be baptized, and wash away your sins," because Paul was already cleansed spiritually at the time Christ appeared to him, these words must refer to the symbolism of baptism. Baptism is a picture of God’s inner work of washing away sin (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 Peter 3:21).

5. It is also interesting that when Paul recounted this event again later in Acts (Acts 26:12-18), he did not mention Ananias or what Ananias said to him at all. Verse 18 again would confirm the idea that Paul received Christ as Savior on the road to Damascus since here Christ is telling Paul he will be a messenger for Him concerning forgiveness of sins for Gentiles as they have faith in Him. It would seem unlikely that Christ would commission Paul if Paul had not yet believed in Him.

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#421164 Feb 9, 2013
marge wrote:
John answered them all, "I baptize you with water. But one more powerful than I will come, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.
you cant tell these campbellites anything, they think that they know everything
truth

Perth, Australia

#421166 Feb 9, 2013
nazarine
did he say like that..yes yes yes
but
did he say i am light
but
did he help
but
you know dhut up
you try say he not

many nice things happened to people in earthly life to be save..now
how on heaven it is on earth

why is not like that..

many asked who is on my place..yes they posses or reprogram life of others..
we call that lupez=thief tude srece..
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#421167 Feb 9, 2013
Those who believe that baptism is required for salvation are quick to use 1 Peter 3:21 as a “proof text,” because it states “baptism now saves you.” Was Peter really saying that the act of being baptized is what saves us? If he were, he would be contradicting many other passages of Scripture that clearly show people being saved (as evidenced by their receiving the Holy Spirit) prior to being baptized or without being baptized at all (like the thief on the cross in Luke 23:39-43). A good example of someone who was saved before being baptized is Cornelius and his household in Acts 10. We know that they were saved before being baptized because they had received the Holy Spirit, which is the evidence of salvation (Romans 8:9; Ephesians 1:13; 1 John 3:24). The evidence of their salvation was the reason Peter allowed them to be baptized. Countless passages of Scripture clearly teach that salvation comes when one believes in the gospel, at which time he or she is sealed “in Christ with the Holy Spirit of promise”(Ephesians 1:13).

Thankfully, though, we don’t have to guess at what Peter means in this verse because he clarifies that for us with the phrase “not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience.” While Peter is connecting baptism with salvation, it is not the act of being baptized that he is referring to (not the removal of dirt from the flesh). Being immersed in water does nothing but wash away dirt. What Peter is referring to is what baptism represents, which is what saves us (an appeal to God for a good conscience through the resurrection of Jesus Christ). In other words, Peter is simply connecting baptism with belief. It is not the getting-wet part that saves but is the “appeal to God for a clean conscience” which is signified by baptism, that saves us. The appeal to God always comes first. First belief and repentance, then we are baptized to publicly identify ourselves with Christ.
truth

Perth, Australia

#421168 Feb 9, 2013
my feet=fire
45 degree if you put hand there no you don't say it is as it is..then you will say it is in your mind..
no its not in my mind..

one things for certain
when i go in bath
putt feet there how its look
ljepilo =sticky like graveyard body= raspadno stanje tvojih nogu..

my hand in middle start again..how its look
not yet visible like last week..inside you can fill..
Are you for sure its not mind..can be,but not necessary as real point.
My feet in water as you coming from fire..but i look normal..even when i fill that.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#421169 Feb 9, 2013
Those who hold baptism to be required for salvation point to “born of water” as evidence. As one person has put it,“Jesus describes it and tells him plainly how—by being born of water and the Spirit. This is a perfect description of baptism! Jesus could not have given a more detailed and accurate explanation of baptism.” However, had Jesus actually wanted to say that one must be baptized to be saved, He clearly could have simply stated,“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is baptized and born of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” Further, if Jesus had made such a statement, He would have contradicted numerous other Bible passages that make it clear that salvation is by faith (John 3:16; John 3:36; Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5).
We should also not lose sight of the fact that when Jesus was speaking to Nicodemus, the ordinance of Christian baptism was not yet in effect. This important inconsistency in interpreting Scripture is seen when one asks those who believe baptism is required for salvation why the thief on the cross did not need to be baptized to be saved. A common reply to that question is:“The thief on the cross was still under the Old Covenant and therefore not subject to this baptism. He was saved just like anyone else under the Old Covenant.” So, in essence, the same people who say the thief did not need to be baptized because he was “under the Old Covenant” will use John 3:5 as “proof” that baptism is necessary for salvation. They insist that Jesus is telling Nicodemus that he must be baptized to be saved, even though he too was under the Old Covenant. If the thief on the cross was saved without being baptized (because he was under the Old Covenant), why would Jesus tell Nicodemus (who was also under the Old Covenant) that he needed to be baptized?
If “being born of water and the Spirit” is not referring to baptism, then what does it mean? Traditionally, there have been two interpretations of this phrase. The first is that being “born of water” is being used by Jesus to refer to natural birth (with water referring to the amniotic fluid that surrounds the baby in the womb) and that being born of the “Spirit” indicates spiritual birth. While that is certainly a possible interpretation of the term “born of water” and would seem to fit the context of Nicodemus’ question about how a man could be born “when he is old,” it is not the best interpretation given the context of this passage. After all, Jesus was not talking about the difference between natural birth and spiritual birth. What He was doing was explaining to Nicodemus his need to be “born from above” or “born again.”
cont
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#421170 Feb 9, 2013
cont
The second common interpretation of this passage and the one that best fits the overall context, not only of this passage but of the Bible as a whole, is the one that sees the phrase “born of water and the Spirit” as both describing different aspects of the same spiritual birth, or of what it means to be “born again” or “born from above.” So, when Jesus told Nicodemus that he must “be born of water and the Spirit,” He was not referring to literal water (i.e. baptism or the amniotic fluid in the womb), but was referring to the need for spiritual cleansing or renewal. Throughout the Old Testament (Psalm 51:2,7; Ezekiel 36:25) and the New Testament (John 13:10; 15:3; 1 Corinthians 6:11; Hebrews 10:22), water is often used figuratively of spiritual cleansing or regeneration that is brought forth by the Holy Spirit, through the Word of God, at the moment of salvation (Ephesians 5:26; Titus 3:5).
The Barclay Daily Study Bible describes this concept in this way:“There are two thoughts here. Water is the symbol of cleansing. When Jesus takes possession of our lives, when we love Him with all our heart, the sins of the past are forgiven and forgotten. The Spirit is the symbol of power. When Jesus takes possession of our lives it is not only that the past is forgotten and forgiven; if that were all, we might well proceed to make the same mess of life all over again; but into life there enters a new power which enables us to be what by ourselves we could never be and to do what by ourselves we could never do. Water and the Spirit stand for the cleansing and the strengthening power of Christ, which wipes out the past and gives victory in the future.”
Therefore, the “water” mentioned in this verse is not literal physical water but rather the “living water” Jesus promised the woman at the well in John 4:10 and the people in Jerusalem in John 7:37-39. It is the inward purification and renewal produced by the Holy Spirit that brings forth spiritual life to a dead sinner (Ezekiel 36:25-27; Titus 3:5). Jesus reinforces this truth in John 3:7 when He restates that one must be born again and that this newness of life can only be produced by the Holy Spirit (John 3:8).
There are several reasons why this is the correct interpretation of the phrase “born of water and the Spirit.” First of all, we should note that the Greek word translated “again” has two possible meanings. The first one is “again,” and the second one is “from above.” Nicodemus apparently assumed the first meaning “again” and found that idea incomprehensible. That is why he could not understand how as a grown man he could re-enter his mother’s womb and be “born again” physically. Therefore, Jesus restates what He had just told Nicodemus in a different way so that it would be clear He was referring to being “born from above.” In other words, both “born from above” and “born of water and Spirit” are two ways of saying the same thing.
Second, it is important to note the Greek grammar in this verse would seem to indicate “being born of water” and “being born of the Spirit” are thought of as one item, not two. Therefore, it is not speaking of two separate births, as Nicodemus incorrectly thought, but of one birth, that of being “born from above” or the spiritual birth that is necessary for anyone to “see the kingdom of God.” This need for one to be “born again,” or to experience spiritual birth, is so important that Jesus tells Nicodemus of its necessity three different times in this passage of Scripture (John 3:3, 3:5, 3:7).
Third, water is often used symbolically in the Bible to refer to the work of the Holy Spirit in sanctifying a believer, whereby God cleanses and purifies the believer’s heart or soul. In many places in both the Old and New Testaments, the work of the Holy Spirit is compared to water (Isaiah 44:3; John 7:38-39).
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