Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#420820 Feb 7, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you saying God won't call an ex- truck driver to preach His Holy Word .
Did not Jesus call fisher man Peter, did He not call Saul(Paul) who was killing all the People wh followed The Way (JESUS).
You, Regina, Anthony, HOJO, etc are not priest either so why should we listen to you. Who are you, see where your logic leads no were.
The Holy Spirit uses whom He will and He does need your permission StarC.
You should pray for wisdom, and ask God in the name Of Jesus for a clear revelation of His Holy Word.
correction :
The Holy Spirit uses whom He will and He does not need your permission StarC
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#420821 Feb 7, 2013
"What is Roman Catholicism?"
Answer: The Roman Catholic Church portrays itself as the one legitimate heir to New Testament Christianity, and the Pope as the successor to Peter, the first bishop of Rome. While those details are debatable, there is no question that Roman church history reaches back to ancient times. The apostle Paul wrote his letter to the Romans about AD 55, and addressed a church body that existed prior to his first visit there (but he made no mention of Peter, though he greeted others by name). Despite repeated persecutions by the government, a vibrant Christian community existed in Rome after apostolic times. Those early Roman Christians were just like their brethren in other parts of the world—simple followers of Jesus Christ.
Things changed drastically when the Roman Emperor Constantine professed a conversion to Christianity in AD 312. He began to make changes which ultimately led to the formation of the Roman Catholic Church. He issued the Edict of Milan in 313, which granted freedom of worship throughout the empire. When doctrinal disputes arose, Constantine presided over the first ecumenical church council at Nicaea in AD 325, even though he held no official authority in the churches. By the time of his death, Christianity was the favored, if not the official, religion of the Roman Empire. The term “Roman Catholic” was defined by Emperor Theodosius on February 27, 380 in the Theodosian Code. In that document, he referred to those who hold to the “religion which was delivered to the Romans by the divine Apostle Peter” as “Roman Catholic Christians,” and gave them the official sanction of the empire.
The fall of the Roman Empire and the rise of the Catholic Church are really two branches of the same story, as the power was transferred from one entity to the other. From the time of Constantine (AD 312) until the fall of the Roman Empire in 476, the emperors of Rome claimed a certain amount of authority within the church, even though it was disputed by many church leaders. During those formative years, there were many disputes over authority, structure, and doctrine. The emperors sought to increase their authority by granting privileges to various bishops, resulting in disputes about primacy within the churches. At the same time, some of the bishops sought to increase their authority and prestige by accusing others of false doctrine and seeking state support of their positions. Many of those disputes resulted in very sinful behavior, which are a disgrace to the name of Christ.
Just like today, some of those who lived in the leading cities tended to exalt themselves above their contemporaries in the rural areas. The third century saw the rise of an ecclesiastical hierarchy patterned after the Roman government. The bishop of a city was over the presbyters, or priests, of the local congregations, controlling the ministry of the churches, and the Bishop of Rome began to establish himself as supreme over all. Though some historians tell these details as the history of “the church,” there were many church leaders in those days which neither stooped to those levels nor acknowledged any ecclesiastical hierarchy. The vast majority of churches in the first four centuries derived their authority and doctrine from the Bible, and traced their lineage directly back to the apostles, not to the church of Rome. In the New Testament, the terms “elder,”“pastor,” and “bishop” are used interchangeably for the spiritual leaders of any church (see 1 Peter 5:1-3 where the Greek root words are translated “elders,”“feed,” and “oversight”).
Cont
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#420822 Feb 7, 2013
cont
By the time Gregory became pope in AD 590, the empire was in a shambles, and he assumed imperial powers along with his ecclesiastical authority. From that time on, the church and state were fully intertwined as the Holy Roman Empire, with the pope exercising authority over kings and emperors.
What are the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church that distinguish it from other Christian churches? Whole books have been written on this subject, but a sampling of the doctrines will be outlined here.
truth

Perth, Australia

#420823 Feb 7, 2013
evil and satanic posessors is not Creator..
byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
i don't liked nothing from them
not gold not silver no money no any character no any name
not in my name
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo o
necu=no
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#420824 Feb 7, 2013
Roman Catholicism

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The bishops, with the Pope as their head, rule the universal Church.

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God has entrusted revelation to the bishops.

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The Pope is infallible in his teaching.

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Scripture and Tradition together are the Word of God.

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Mary is the co-redeemer, for she participated with Christ in the painful act of redemption.

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Mary is the co-mediator, to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions.

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Initial justification is by means of baptism.

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Adults must prepare for justification through faith and good works.

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Grace is merited by good works.

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Salvation is attained by cooperating with grace through faith, good works, and participation in the sacraments.

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No one can know if he will attain to eternal life.

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The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation.

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Christ's body and blood exist wholly and entirely in every fragment of consecrated bread and wine in every Roman Catholic church around the world.

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The sacrifice of the cross is perpetuated in the Sacrifice of the Mass.

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Each sacrifice of the Mass appeases God's wrath against sin.

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The sacrificial work of redemption is continually carried out through the sacrifice of the Mass.

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cont

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#420825 Feb 7, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you saying God won't call an ex- truck driver to preach His Holy Word .
Did not Jesus call fisher man Peter, did He not call Saul(Paul) who was killing all the People wh followed The Way (JESUS).
You, Regina, Anthony, HOJO, etc are not priest either so why should we listen to you. Who are you, see where your logic leads no were.
The Holy Spirit uses whom He will and He does need your permission StarC.
You should pray for wisdom, and ask God in the name Of Jesus for a clear revelation of His Holy Word.
some of the best preachers in this area are men who work for a living.

Bob M. work for the township and could hardly read, but boy that man could Preach. my Pastor worked for the B&O RR and no man could preach as good as he could. My Mentor worked in a lab and was the second best Preacher that I have ever heard.My first Pastor was an electrician, and few could preach as good as he could Preach.

and I feel certain that all of the Christians can testify of Preachers that they know, that are Godly men that had occupations and still are great Preachers.
truth

Perth, Australia

#420826 Feb 7, 2013
every spirit is not holy not at all..
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#420827 Feb 7, 2013
Biblical Teaching

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Christ, the head of the body, rules the universal church (Colossians 1:18).

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God has entrusted revelation to the saints (Jude 3).

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God alone is infallible (Numbers 23:19; Acts 17:11).

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Scripture alone is the Word of God (John 10:35; 2 Timothy 3:16,17; 2 Peter 1:20,21; Mark 7:1-13).

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Christ alone is the Redeemer, for He alone suffered and died for sin (1 Peter 1:18,19).

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Christ Jesus is the one mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions (1 Timothy 2:5; John 14:13,14; 1 Peter 5:7).

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Justification is by faith alone (Romans 3:28).

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God justifies ungodly sinners who believe (Romans 4:5). Good works are the result of salvation, not the cause (Ephesians 2:8-10).

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Grace is a free gift (Romans 11:6).

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Salvation is attained by grace through faith apart from works (Ephesians 2:10).

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The believer can know that he has eternal life by the Word of God and the testimony of the Holy Spirit who indwells believers(1 John 5:13; Romans 8:16).

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There is salvation in no one but the Lord Jesus Christ,“for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved”(Acts 4:12).

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The bread and wine are symbols of the body and blood of Christ, and He is bodily present in heaven (1 Corinthians 11:23-25; Hebrews 10:12,13).

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The sacrifice of the cross is finished (John 19:30).

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The once-for-all sacrifice of the cross fully appeased God's wrath against sin (Hebrews 10:12-18).

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The sacrificial work of redemption was finished when Christ gave His life for us on the cross (Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 1:3).

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LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#420828 Feb 7, 2013
These doctrines don't date back all the way to Constantine, except for perhaps in seed form, but were slowly adopted over many years as various popes issued decrees. In many cases, the doctrines are not even based on Scripture, but on a document of the church. Most Roman Catholics consider themselves to be Christians and are unaware of the differences between their beliefs and the Bible. Sadly, the Roman Catholic Church has fostered that ignorance by discouraging the personal study of the Bible and making the people reliant on the priests for their understanding of the Bible.
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#420829 Feb 7, 2013
Is salvation by faith alone, or by faith plus works?"

Answer: This is perhaps the most important question in all of Christian theology. This question is the cause of the Reformation, the split between the Protestant churches and Catholic Church. This question is a key difference between biblical Christianity and most of the “Christian” cults. Is salvation by faith alone, or by faith plus works? Am I saved just by believing in Jesus, or do I have to believe in Jesus and do certain things?

The question of faith alone or faith plus works is made difficult by some hard-to-reconcile Bible passages. Compare Romans 3:28, 5:1 and Galatians 3:24 with James 2:24. Some see a difference between Paul (salvation is by faith alone) and James (salvation is by faith plus works). Paul dogmatically says that justification is by faith alone (Ephesians 2:8-9), while James appears to be saying that justification is by faith plus works. This apparent problem is answered by examining what exactly James is talking about. James is refuting the belief that a person can have faith without producing any good works (James 2:17-18). James is emphasizing the point that genuine faith in Christ will produce a changed life and good works (James 2:20-26). James is not saying that justification is by faith plus works, but rather that a person who is truly justified by faith will have good works in his/her life. If a person claims to be a believer, but has no good works in his/her life, then he/she likely does not have genuine faith in Christ (James 2:14, 17, 20, 26).

Paul says the same thing in his writings. The good fruit believers should have in their lives is listed in Galatians 5:22-23. Immediately after telling us that we are saved by faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8-9), Paul informs us that we were created to do good works (Ephesians 2:10). Paul expects just as much of a changed life as James does:“Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come”(2 Corinthians 5:17). James and Paul do not disagree in their teaching regarding salvation. They approach the same subject from different perspectives. Paul simply emphasized that justification is by faith alone while James put emphasis on the fact that genuine faith in Christ produces good works.
gotquestions.ca
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#420830 Feb 7, 2013
"Are the seven Catholic sacraments biblical?"

Answer:“Sacraments are outward signs of inward grace, instituted by Christ for our sanctification”(taken from the Catholic Encyclopedia). The Roman Catholic Church teaches that while God gives grace to man without outward symbols (sacraments), He has also chosen to give grace to man through visible symbols. Because God has done this, man is foolish to not make use of this God-provided means of gaining sanctification.

In order to qualify as a sacrament, the Roman Catholic Church states that it must meet the following three criteria: a) the external, that is, a sensibly perceptible sign of sanctifying grace, b) the conferring of sanctifying grace, c) the institution by God or, more accurately, by the God-Man Jesus Christ. Thus, sacraments are not merely a symbol, but are believed to actually confer sanctifying grace upon the recipient. The Roman Catholic Church believes that all of their seven sacraments were instituted by Christ Himself. There are seven Roman Catholic Sacraments, and they are as follows:

1) Baptism, which the Roman Catholic Church teaches removes original sin while infusing the act with sanctifying grace.
2) Penance, in which one confesses his/her sins to a priest.
3) The Eucharist, considered the reception and consumption of the actual body and blood of Christ.
4) Confirmation, a formal acceptance into the church along with special anointing of the Holy Spirit.
5) Anointing of the sick, performed by a priest using oil. The priest anoints the sick person´s forehead and hands with oil. This is associated not only with bodily healing but with forgiveness of sins. When performed on a dying person, it is called Extreme Unction (or last rites or final anointing).
6) Holy Orders, the process by which men are ordained to clergy.
7) Matrimony, which provides special grace to a couple.

The following are verses commonly cited to support the Roman Catholic belief concerning the sacraments:“Therefore I remind you to stir up the gift of God which is in you through the laying on of my hands" (2 Timothy 1:6). "Jesus answered,‘Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God’" (John 3:5). "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit" (Titus 3:5). "That He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word" (Ephesians 5:26). "If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained" (John 20:23). "And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven" (James 5:15). "Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit" (Acts 8:17). "Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed" (John 6:54-55).

It might seem by looking at these verses by themselves that, indeed, certain external actions do convey some benefit (such as eternal life, the forgiveness of sins, the presence or power of the Holy Spirit, etc.). However, when taken in the context of Scripture as a whole, there is no foundation for the belief that God ever intended these passages to be taken as support for rituals as a means of conveying grace. In other words, the whole idea of "sacraments" that convey saving grace upon people is unbiblical.
cont
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#420831 Feb 7, 2013
Two of the main sacraments specifically are said by the Roman Catholic Church to be necessary in order to gain eternal life: baptism and communion. Because of the Roman Catholic Church belief that baptism is required for salvation, Catholics maintain that it is important to baptize infants. But nowhere in Scripture can you find even a single example or command to do so. Some Roman Catholics use Acts 16:33 as a possible example, because it states that the Philippian jailor "and his family" were baptized. But, taking this verse in context, we note two things:

(1) When the jailor asked Paul what he must do to be saved, Paul did NOT say, "Believe on Jesus and be baptized and take communion." Rather, Paul said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household" (v. 31). Thus, we see that it is faith that is the ingredient necessary for salvation. It was understood that one who believed would be baptized, but baptism was not necessary for salvation. If it were, Paul would have given it more weight in his missionary journeys (1 Corinthians 1:14-18).

(2) We see that the "family" could not have included infants or toddlers, as it states in verse 34 that the jailor had "believed in God with all his household." Infants and toddlers cannot exercise faith in God in such a fashion.

Again and again throughout Scripture, faith, not faith PLUS baptism, is seen as the means through which one receives salvation (John 1:12; 3:14-16; Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3:19-26; 4; 10:9-13; etc.).

Turning to communion, the Roman Catholic Church makes it clear that they take John 6:54 literally when Jesus says, "Unless you eat of the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you." The problem is that their belief that Jesus is speaking literally here is not in keeping with the context of the passage in which Jesus repeatedly states the importance of faith in Him and His coming atoning death for their sins (see John 6:29,35,40,47 and consider the whole message of the gospel of John, as stated in John 20:31).

When one examines the remaining sacraments, one finds that the belief that they convey "sanctifying grace" is not in keeping with the context of the rest of the Bible. Yes, all Christians should be baptized, but baptism does not infuse us with grace. Yes, all Christians should partake of the Lord’s Supper, but doing so does not confer sanctifying grace. Yes, we should confess our sins, not to a priest, but rather to God (1 John 1:9). Having a formal training program and formal acceptance into the church is a good thing to do, but it does not convey saving grace. Being approved as a church leader is an honorable thing, but it does not result in grace. Marriage is a wonderful and blessed event in the life of a couple, but it is not the means of how God graces us. Praying for and with a person who is dying is a godly thing to do – but it does not add grace to our account.

cont
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#420832 Feb 7, 2013
All the grace we will ever need is received the moment we trust Jesus, by faith, as Savior (Ephesians 2:8-9). The saving grace that is granted at the moment of genuine faith is the only saving grace God’s Word calls on us to receive. This grace is received by faith, not by observing rituals. So, while the seven sacraments are “good things to do,” when they are understood in a biblical context, the concept of the seven sacraments as “conferring sanctifying grace” is completely unbiblical.
gotquestions
truth

Perth, Australia

#420833 Feb 7, 2013
log is not mother Mary milk
horn is not god
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#420834 Feb 7, 2013
"What does it mean to work out salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12)?"

Obedience and submission to the God we revere and respect is our “reasonable service”(Romans 12:1-2) and brings great joy. Psalm 2:11 sums it up perfectly:“Serve the LORD with fear and rejoice with trembling.” We work out our salvation by going to the very source of our salvation—the Word of God—wherein we renew our hearts and minds (Romans 12:1-2), coming into His presence with a spirit of reverence and awe.
truth

Perth, Australia

#420835 Feb 7, 2013
elephant trunk is not god face
no
as well others

Are you for sure i am wrong?
truth

Perth, Australia

#420836 Feb 7, 2013
Did you sold your soul as well other what is most holy?
to whom
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#420837 Feb 7, 2013
this came from Dave C

christians, what does "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" mean?

Answering Scripture with Scripture:

2Tim. 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Meaning... It is not enough to just sit back and believe that God will save you as you are -- though He certainly accepts you as you are. It is also true that you cannot save yourself by any good work you can do, for our righteousness is as filthy rags (Isa. 64:6) compared to the perfect robe of righteousness Christ offers us (Isa. 61:10).
However, God is looking for faith (Luke 18:7,8) and love in His children (1John 4:20,21). Such faith, as He is looking for (Titus 2:13-15), will have a fruit of good works (James 2:19,20) in obedience to the requirements God has set forth in His Word. He also said that the true measure of our love for Him is that we will do His Will (Mat. 7:24; John 14:23,24)-- which is also set forth in His Word. Therefore, we must study His Word to find out what His Will and His Requirements are for us (2Tim. 3:16,17). Doing His will and obeying His requirements do not save us (Eph. 2:8,9)-- but those good works are the proof of those whom truly have the faith and the love He requires of His children (1John 2:3-6).

Mat. 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.(22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?(23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

God bless.
truth

Perth, Australia

#420838 Feb 7, 2013
really renew herts
spell vele=speak up
how
obey or obej
jebo yebo is thet upsidedown words
bojim se not boj boy bojim se
strah harts or hearts
see ltd

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooo
necu=no
so what
angry or jealous
Are you jealous or anger for ever?
truth

Perth, Australia

#420839 Feb 7, 2013
is god face trunk of elephant
shiva hand
face of lio
mouse
and so on

sun or moon
about what

how you can express yourself

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