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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 682149 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Pad

Fishers, IN

#420907 Feb 8, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>where did you find this gem of info that Joseph had been married for over 50 years when he married Mary?
common sense tells me this, either you are lying or your info is a lie.
this would have made jospeh over 70 years old, and no doubt to feeble to walk all of the distance down to egypt.
dont people like you have any common sense or did the nums beat that out of you idiots.BTW, I HATE STUPIDITY
Although I tolerate with compassion those who are stupid,I agree with you 150% here preston.It is incredible what people will believe to put Mary on that pedestal she was never suppose to be on from the very time of her precious life here.

Catholics and Orthodox pride themselves in saying they believed these things about Mary long before the Reformation and so on.The problem iwth that? They do not tell us that there were priests,and scholars of those times who refuted the MARIAN doctrines as they surfaced.JUST because the general concensus was to promote latria worship of Mary,does not negate the very challenge that was made to reject such worship to begin with.

The Apostles and LUKE in the New Testament N E V E R give us any reason to worship or venerate Mary in the way Catholics and Orthodox do.They claim that they received what the Apostles taught,but there is no word from the Apostles to support Marian doctrines,nor do the early church fathers ever say a certain Apostle told them to believe in the Immaculate Conception of Mary,or that she was ever-virgin.I have some books on early church fathers and their sayings,and they never say"The Apostle Peter told me or whoever that Mary was ever-virgin"or that the Apostle Paul said those things about Mary.NO other Apostle is said to have claimed Mary's Immaculate birth,nor her ever-virginity.LUKE never even alluded to such a fact either,and he had more than ample time in personally interviewing Mary himself to arrive at the conclusions of the Orthodox and Catholic tradition concerning Marian doctrines.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#420908 Feb 8, 2013
Exclusivism and Christ's Church

http://www.apologeticspress.org/APContent.asp...

Since: Jun 10

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#420909 Feb 8, 2013
890 208
Saban fan wrote:
<quoted text>
Peter is not the solid foundation. Peter's *confession* of Jesus being the Messiah the Son of God was the rock being referred to in Matt. 16:18.
Eph. 2:20 later tells us that the church is built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets with Christ being the chief cornerstone.
The church is referred to in many occasions. For instance: Acts. 11:26, Rom. 16:16, 1. Cor. 1:2, Eph. 5:23..........
Thanks for your input...
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#420910 Feb 8, 2013
Willie Robertson - Speech at Harding University

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#420911 Feb 8, 2013
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Anthony MN
He so easily reflects the weakness in ourselves that he provides himself as a mirror to my own faults. So I try and go easy on him, even though he says some really obnoxious things.
Another way to put it is that he puts his thoughts out, saying he WOULD accept being proved wrong, and then won't reconsider his thoughts....
Its like preston saying "I will go to the store to buy some groceries.", but when he gets to the store, he doesn't get the groceries, and comes home without any....Thus he wastes his time, and effort is his own sanctification with God....
Its easy to pick on preston, he is like us all....
robert, at no time have you ever corrected anything that I have spoken, for one simple reason, I say what the bible says, while you go off in some stupid tangent that ONLY YOU know where it is going, and that is ONLY in your mind.

and unlike you, If I wish soemthing to eat, I go to my frig or my freezer, while you have to go to a restaurant and then try and get them to understand what you want to eat, which is what happens when a unstable person such as yourself leaves one church and floats to another, until no waitress is able to serve you.

Anthony just thinks that you can correct me(you cant, of course)since he is unable to, your vague and incoherent thoughts are never well thought out and make absolutely no sense to even a little child in kindergarten, let alone an adult versed in "what thus saith the lord".
Pad

Fishers, IN

#420912 Feb 8, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
The Meaning of Baptism and the Catholic Ritual
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.asp...
The best teaching I have seen on Baptism in a long time Saban fan.It is well presented here,thank you for sharing this.
ReginaM

Long Branch, NJ

#420913 Feb 8, 2013
The Didache was written around A.D. 70 and, though not inspired, is a strong witness to the sacramental practice of Christians in the apostolic age. In its seventh chapter, the Didache reads, "Concerning baptism, baptize in this manner: Having said all these things beforehand, baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit in living water [that is, in running water, as in a river]. If there is no living water, baptize in other water; and, if you are not able to use cold water, use warm. If you have neither, pour water three times upon the head in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." These instructions were composed either while some of the apostles and disciples were still alive or during the next generation of Christians, and they represent an already established custom.
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/baptism-immers...
ReginaM

Long Branch, NJ

#420914 Feb 8, 2013
Campbellites

Thomas and Alexander Campbell were the most prominent leaders of the Disciples of Christ movement of the early 19th century. The group was committed to restoring primitive Christianity. It merged with the Christians (Stone Movement) in 1832 to form what is now described as the American Restoration Movement (also known as the Stone-Campbell Restoration Movement). Other prominent individuals in the Restoration Movement included Barton W. Stone, Walter Scott and "Raccoon" John Smith.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campbellite

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#420915 Feb 8, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
886
In can be said only one way:
762 734 886
Your mindless prattle changes nothing in these words:
On this matter...it is not what I think your religion teaches...it is what I know it teaches...and on this matter I fully agree with them..
Then this does not apply to you: Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Oxbow

This is an example of what you are writing to me..., see if it makes sense?

"I know what your religion teaches you, and I fully agree with them..

And so this does not apply to you: The grass is green."

(Can't you see what you are writing makes no sense?)

You are making two statements that are not connected unless in some vague sense in your mind, which I am not going to try and understand, as at this time, your posts make little sense to me.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#420916 Feb 8, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Although I tolerate with compassion those who are stupid,I agree with you 150% here preston.It is incredible what people will believe to put Mary on that pedestal she was never suppose to be on from the very time of her precious life here.
Catholics and Orthodox pride themselves in saying they believed these things about Mary long before the Reformation and so on.The problem iwth that? They do not tell us that there were priests,and scholars of those times who refuted the MARIAN doctrines as they surfaced.JUST because the general concensus was to promote latria worship of Mary,does not negate the very challenge that was made to reject such worship to begin with.
The Apostles and LUKE in the New Testament N E V E R give us any reason to worship or venerate Mary in the way Catholics and Orthodox do.They claim that they received what the Apostles taught,but there is no word from the Apostles to support Marian doctrines,nor do the early church fathers ever say a certain Apostle told them to believe in the Immaculate Conception of Mary,or that she was ever-virgin.I have some books on early church fathers and their sayings,and they never say"The Apostle Peter told me or whoever that Mary was ever-virgin"or that the Apostle Paul said those things about Mary.NO other Apostle is said to have claimed Mary's Immaculate birth,nor her ever-virginity.LUKE never even alluded to such a fact either,and he had more than ample time in personally interviewing Mary himself to arrive at the conclusions of the Orthodox and Catholic tradition concerning Marian doctrines.
lol, now I agree with you. the link that she was using showed Joseph to be around 90 years old not 70 as I used in my post(after I looked at her findings), and I thought about this after I went to bed, if Joseph was over 90 years old(and I know that you have seen pictures of Mary being Pregnant riding a burro), he would have had a burro to ride too or else have one hitched up to a wagon(and that was expensive and Probably one thathe couldnt afford).

now getting back to the relationship between Mary and the Apostles.

Paul spoke of meeting james, the Lords brother, and the bible speaks of Paul being a student of Gamiliel, who spoke to the sanhedrin and advised them to leave the disciples alone because their Preaching might be of God and if so, the jews would find themselves fighting against God.

this tells me that the Jews knew the apostles intimately, therefore paul would have known them also, and Paul never spoke of Mary, and giving us instructions as to how we are to venerate this woman. Paul was silent on this Issue and Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles, telling us as to how we are to worship the Lord and follow His Word.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#420917 Feb 8, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Show is "undeniable documentation" that it is NOT Jesus Christs TRUE Church! You can't! We know it and you know it! Therefore, discussion debate and argument is over! So--- we, as Catholics, on this forum, along with the other 1.168 Billion Catholics around the world, will continue to follow the overwhelming majority of "documented, historical, biblical and recorded TRUTH from the Early Church Fathers, Lives of the Saints, and the Historian Apologist authors and writers (both Catholic and Protestant) that confirm it IS IN FACT Jesus Christs One (and only TRUE Apostolic Catholic Church!--You my friend--can do and believe what you want! Your loss---is our gain--in the TRUE Gospel and historical teachings of Jesus Christ.
you talk about all this documented proof but you never show it,the only way you can prove your point is to show in scripture, that jesus states that the catholic church,based on pagan, christian beliefs and man made traditions is his true church,and nowhere in history is this been said or written,so your betting your life on a false church. and how come you never show the whole post i put up? your leaving out the truth to make your beliefs seem real. the church has proven over an over it is a church of evil,not love,honesty and devotion to it's followers,just ask all the people they killed and molested. and i'm still waiting for an answer to my question,don't know why you won't answer it?
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#420918 Feb 8, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
878
<quoted text>
Infantile....
ein wenig Geschmack Ihrer eigenen Medizin.
Catholic Girl

United States

#420919 Feb 8, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>and yes , she is getting to be a very attractive young lady(sorry for that bad lightin). her vocabulary is slow to come around and we have taken her to speech therapy. she understands words, but speaking them are another thing. for me, she can say papaw, but for some reason she calls my wife babaw. she is behind but she will catch up
Hope she keeps improving each day. I've always called my brother, brother, when I was real young, i can remember pronouncing it butter,:). to this day I still have difficulty calling him by his real name, tom.
Time and patience. Hope she doesn't remember her difficulties in her earlier yrs. the poor baby.
I believe most of us tell the truth here, just a little different beliefs and up bringing
Take care and take care of that little girl.

Peace and Blessings,

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#420920 Feb 8, 2013
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Oxbow
This is an example of what you are writing to me..., see if it makes sense?
"I know what your religion teaches you, and I fully agree with them..
And so this does not apply to you: The grass is green."
(Can't you see what you are writing makes no sense?)
You are making two statements that are not connected unless in some vague sense in your mind, which I am not going to try and understand, as at this time, your posts make little sense to me.
I think that the words of Oxbow fit you perfectly.

Your mindless prattle changes nothing in these words:

half of the time if not more, your words make absolutely no sense to anyone. you rattle on and on like a drone that has no destination and simply just runs out of fuel and crashes.
Catholic Girl

United States

#420921 Feb 8, 2013
Don't you people put your mother on a pedistal?
you should.

Why not place Jesus' mother on a pedistal.
Pad

Fishers, IN

#420922 Feb 8, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
Does Mary Intercede for Christians?
http://www.apologeticspress.org/APContent.asp...
The Catholics would argue that point of intercession.Interceding is part of the Christian walk,and if Mary is in fact an intercessor as we give that title to many men on earth(women included) we can understand why she is intercessor beyond the grave as well.

Christians are somewhat divided on whether one is completely asleep till Christ comes.Many believe that the spirit in the person goes to be with God.
There could be intercession going on in that spirit of the person that is with God.I take the Bible over Catholic teaching as to who the ONLY Intercessor is between God and Man,Christ Jesus.It is not biblical in the least to place Mary as the only intercessor between Jesus and humanity.That is Catholic and maybe Orthodox tradition.

The fact that Mary intercedes beyond the grave does not interfere in my faith in the Intercession of Christ alone.

What I believe is real error is to state that if one wears a scapular,Mary will either keep them from purgatory,or will lessen their time in purgatory.

It is wrong to me that Catholics have often taught that Mary has to do with the salvation of souls,and her image or some medal,and the scapular,or the daily recitation of the Rosary gives special advantage to a soul that observes or practices the use of these inanimate objects for the use of religious enhancement.The prots have done the same,I remember when Oral Roberts had a hand print of his hand manufactured,and that if someone put that image on their body they would be healed.

The Apostles were the only ones who remained the original ones to have profound miracles,even the Apostle Paul.Yes I do believe in healing and that people get healed these days.

Nevertheless to state that one's time in purgatory would be lessened by wearing a scapular or a medal with Mary's image on it is something completely out of the realm of Christ's Intercession as given by the Father.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#420923 Feb 8, 2013
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Oxbow
I am not going to try and understand, as at this time, your posts make little sense to me.
dont worry, Christians have been saying that about for for several years.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#420924 Feb 8, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>robert, at no time have you ever corrected anything that I have spoken, for one simple reason, I say what the bible says, while you go off in some stupid tangent that ONLY YOU know where it is going, and that is ONLY in your mind.
and unlike you, If I wish soemthing to eat, I go to my frig or my freezer, while you have to go to a restaurant and then try and get them to understand what you want to eat, which is what happens when a unstable person such as yourself leaves one church and floats to another, until no waitress is able to serve you.
Anthony just thinks that you can correct me(you cant, of course)since he is unable to, your vague and incoherent thoughts are never well thought out and make absolutely no sense to even a little child in kindergarten, let alone an adult versed in "what thus saith the lord".
preston

I liked the fridge/freezer metaphor....

But since you forgot to get the groceries, when you open it up, there is nothing to eat.(smile)

But then again you probably have someone else go to the store for you, since you can't seem to figure out that just going to the store means you have to buy and bring the food home to put in the fridge/freezer in the first place.(smile)

I would say in general that I have not been in many religous belief systems.(Though I may be well versed in many points of view.) For you, more than one, seems to many. Such a restricted viewpoint doesn't make you faithful, it makes you stubborn, and recalcitrant, dictatorial. Uh-oh, sounds a bit like me....I will pray for you, maybe some of it will help me....
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#420925 Feb 8, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>The best teaching I have seen on Baptism in a long time Saban fan.It is well presented here,thank you for sharing this.
I think it's shallow and is written purely for the purpose of taking pot shots at Catholic practice.

I'm interested in hearing your reaction to Fr. Dye's post where he answers your request for the things protestant communities lack.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#420926 Feb 8, 2013
Catholic Girl wrote:
Don't you people put your mother on a pedistal?
you should.
Why not place Jesus' mother on a pedistal.
My mom was a very Godly person, much more that Mary, i know.

God has told me how He thought of my Mom, He has never told me how highly regarded mary was.

My mom NEVER took me to church and the started home and found out a day later that she had left me behind.

Mar was just a woman with human faults the same as the rest of us.and in this instance, i can easily recogniza that mary was interested in gossiping and interacting with friends and relatives, so much that she forgot about this precious Jewel that God had placed in her care.

and you want we Christians to put her on a pedestal, NO THANKS!!!

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