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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 600162 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Atheist Silurist

Portadown, UK

#420037 Feb 4, 2013
I'm starting to think there may be a god,but a god that protects the paedophiles and pederasts of the catholic church.

http://life.nationalpost.com/2013/02/01/los-a ...

The cardinal of the largest Roman Catholic archdiocese in the United States was stripped of his duties in an unprecedented move by his successor, who described the church’s actions during the growing sex abuse scandal as evil.

Cardinal Roger Mahony had retired with a tainted career after dodging criminal charges over how he handled pedophile priests.

Gomez said Mahony, 76, would no longer have administrative or public duties in the diocese. It didn’t appear that Gomez’s actions would affect Mahony’s position in Rome, where he can remain for another four years on a counsel that selects the Pope.

So he is 76 and being relived of his duties? So they are retiring him?

Why isn't the filthy bastard in jail?
an honest man

Australia

#420038 Feb 4, 2013
there shuldnt
ReginaM

Middletown, NJ

#420039 Feb 4, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
He encouraged dioceses to train “all segments of parish life,” including diocesan personnel, parents, children and school staff members.
Notzon also stressed the need for situational prevention. He encouraged bishops to measure, monitor and report on the effectiveness of safe environment programs in their dioceses, as well as to develop a system of clergy evaluations.
Bishops should maintain regular personal contact with priests and should work to address their need to develop fraternal bonds through small clergy faith groups, he said.
Notzon also recommended developing programs to help international priests adjust, because certain behaviors may be culturally acceptable in one country but not in another.
In addition to continuing work to respond promptly to allegations, relieve offenders, comply with civil law and reach out to victims, adopting these recommendations will help “ensure confidence and transparency,” Notzon said.
Did you see this? It's footage of Steve and Janet Ray's current pilgrimage to the Holy Land (one of many he's made). I'd love to go there:

http://www.catholic-convert.com/2013/02/04/pr...

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#420040 Feb 4, 2013
005 970
Dust Storm wrote:
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LOL...Ok continue with your denial festival, fortunately there are Baptists who acknowledge a serious problem. You can fight with them as its obvious your hatred toward Catholics is far more important than children. Thank you for proving you don't care again.
This is not a denial...For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

This is the truth...However, sinning by the Catholic pedophile cadre and other abuses by priests and nuns, against defenseless children,is a way of life....you have proven that is not so in the denominations you named...thanks.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#420041 Feb 4, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
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Its obvious you have a fetish with numbers. Something about 42,001. What number would you like to be?
"Mr. Unbelievable" !!! The biblically and Historically PROVEN One True Apostolic Catholic Church is "not" in the numbers game. The 42,000+ "numbers game" all began at the Reformation as I will refresh your "ever so (blank and busted ) memory!!




Since the Protestant reformation in the 16th century, there has been an on-going of dividing, fracturing, and splintering of one denomination after another, who "have never", NOR "will ever"agree on (anything) regarding the (true authenticated and proven) interpretation of the bible handed down by the Early Church Fathers in 382,393 and 397 AD.---- We as Catholics,continue to embrace, hold fast and adhere to the "true interpretation of the bible" from which we all know that our Protestant brothers and sisters in Christ choose to rely upon their own on (anti-catholic) distorted, contradicting and conflicting "personal opinions" --as the "final authority" by rejecting the TRUTH handed down by Jesus Christ to His Apostles. Here is a partial list of the 42,000+ conflicting , inconsistent and contradicting "hodge-podge" of "personal opinionated" denominations since the beginning of the Reformation: This list does not include the small % of agnostics and atheists who, like most Protestants, rely on denying of over 2000 years of historical and biblical (proven truth) in order to keep their bible only (relative truth) beliefs intact"
.Luther (eliminated some original books of the bible)
2.Zwingli (eliminated and rejected the Eucharist)
3.Knox (threw out some of the Sacraments)
4.Wesley (each one rejected something to start a new denomination
5.Huss " " "
6.Cromwell " " "
7.Wycliff " " "
8.(Beginning with the A's " "
Advent Christian Church
Advent Christian Conference
Advent Christian Conference of Japan
Adventist Church
Adventists of the True Remnant
Africa Christian network
Africa Evangelical Church
Africa Evangelical Church of Malawi
Africa Gospel Church
Africa Gospel Unity Church
Africa Inland Church
African Apostolic Church of Johane Maranke
African Apostolic Church of Johane Masowe
African Apostolic Church of Nigeria & Benin
African Apostolic Church St Simon & St Johane
African Apostolic Faith Mission
African Assemblies of God
African Baptist Assembly Malawi
African Born Full Gospel Apostolic Ch
African Brotherhood Church
African Catholic Church
African Christian Church & Schools
African Christians Fellowship
African Church
African Church Mission
African Church of Jesus Christ in Kenya
African Church of the Holy Spirit
African Church The
African Congregational Church
African Covenant Church
African Disciples of Christ
African Divine Church
African Evangelical Presbyterian Ch
African Faith Tabernacle Church
African Free Presb Church of Zimbabwe
African Full Gospel Church
African Gospel Church
African Holy Zionist Church
African Independent Church of Kenya
African Independent Pentecostal Church of Africa
African Interior Church
African National Church
African National/International Church.....
55.- 41,992 The rest of the A's through Z
41,993. Confrinting
41,994. Orville
41,995. 4GVN
41,996. OLDJG
41,997. justachristian1
41,998. New Age
41,999. Marge
42,000.+ Whomever on this forum that we missed
ALL have their own "self appointed popes and EACH ONE rely upon "inventing and creating" their own " relative truth-- which is "predicated upon" and determined by (personal interpretation of the bible and by "whichever way the political or social wind blows"---- supporting ABORTION, GAY MARRIAGE, EMBROYONIC STEM CELL RESEARCH, EUTHENASIA, HOMOSEXUALITY, WOMAN MINISTERS, and on and on and on.
The "total reliance and basis" of EVERY ONE these 42,000+ Protestant beliefs, is to aggressively attack, THE TRUTH and to judge and condemn over 2000 years of the TRUTH of Jesus Christ and His One True Apostolic Catholic Church.
Robert Dye

United States

#420042 Feb 4, 2013
Atheist Silurist wrote:
I'm starting to think there may be a god,but a god that protects the paedophiles and pederasts of the catholic church.
http://life.nationalpost.com/2013/02/01/los-a ...
The cardinal of the largest Roman Catholic archdiocese in the United States was stripped of his duties in an unprecedented move by his successor, who described the church’s actions during the growing sex abuse scandal as evil.
Cardinal Roger Mahony had retired with a tainted career after dodging criminal charges over how he handled pedophile priests.
Gomez said Mahony, 76, would no longer have administrative or public duties in the diocese. It didn’t appear that Gomez’s actions would affect Mahony’s position in Rome, where he can remain for another four years on a counsel that selects the Pope.
So he is 76 and being relived of his duties? So they are retiring him?
Why isn't the filthy bastard in jail?
We can't put the guy in jail. That's for the civil authority to do, or not.

Personally, if they can prove a charge of perjury, I hope they go after him with everything they've got.

It does not seem as though there is much hope of charges on anything else, due to statutes of limitations, although the right creative argument about criminal supression of information might be made to pass muster.

My suspicion is that Benedict may summon him to Rome (if criminal charges are not files), where Mahoney will be just one of a dime-a-dozen Cardinals, rather than one of only two in LA.

Rob

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#420043 Feb 4, 2013
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Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
How does leaving the Church help protect the children?
How did your leaving help?(I thought you left before you were aware of the scandal)
What are you doing now to protect the children?
Some child protection advocates say with the safeguards instituted by the Church, children are safer in Catholic schools and Churches than in any other organization.
When will it end????

LOS ANGELES (CA)
National Catholic Reporter

by Tom Roberts | Feb. 1, 2013

Friday's announcement that a retired Los Angeles cardinal and an auxiliary bishop have been disciplined because of their roles in covering up priests' sexual abuse of children is a step in the right direction, says a lawyer long involved in representing victims -- but, he adds, the discipline is only a step, not an ending.

Attorney Tony DeMarco said Friday the discipline was forced by the court-ordered release of documents that detailed the conduct of church leaders, and a careful reading of those documents will show that some leaders who put children at risk "are still in place."

The release of approximately 12,000 pages of documents detailing the sexual abuse of children by priests and cover-up by archdiocesan officials was a long-fought victory for DeMarco, who pursued release of the documents, which the archdiocese fought to keep sealed for 10 years. He has represented more than 400 victims of abuse, some of whom were part of Los Angeles cases.

An agreement by the archdiocese to release the documents was part of a 2007 settlement of 508 cases for $660 million. But immediately, the archdiocese took legal steps to block the release, a process that was complicated and delayed when a retired judge who was hired to review the documents recused himself from the process.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#420044 Feb 4, 2013
marge wrote:
Robert the above was from Mark 6, and here again in Matt 13 He says the same;
And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, "Only in his hometown and in his own house is a prophet without honor."
And here His family says;
Mark 3:21
When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, "He is out of his mind."
marge

Mark 3 21 is definitely a hard verse.

One begins by thinking, "How can Jesus be out of his mind, because He is God? That would be like saying God is out of His Mind?"

But upon thinking about it. There are two answers that come to my mind. This first is that God's Mind is beyond our understanding. And what he is doing is beyond what his family and kin can understand.

Secondly, the concern for the safety of Jesus by his kin and family, as well as his health are the cause of such an outburst.

We can see something of this concern by Peter toward Jesus, on two occasions. The first is when he doesn't want Jesus to die, and the subsequent saying of Jesus for Satan to get behind..., and the second is when he cut off Malchus ear in the Garden when protecting Jesus....

I think we all have that "instinct" to protect Jesus. But it is best to let him lead, and we follow. He knows so much more....
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#420045 Feb 4, 2013
RCC Superiority So BUSTED wrote:
<quoted text>
I wonder why those verses are not in the RCC's Mass reading cycle?
A few hundred years ago, the Bible was on the RCC's list of prohibited books (verifiable and "explainable" fact).
Maybe someone has a link to the official RCC interpretation?
Just more of your "smoke blowing" anti-catholic bogus "personal distorted opinions"..... You have become an "expert" at creating "thick emission pollution" from the "hot air contamination" every time you make a comment!!!
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#420046 Feb 4, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you see this? It's footage of Steve and Janet Ray's current pilgrimage to the Holy Land (one of many he's made). I'd love to go there:
http://www.catholic-convert.com/2013/02/04/pr...
No, but thanks! If you contact apologists they sometimes have package deals and if you organize a group you might get a free trip or at least a very good deduction.
RCC Superiority So BUSTED

Melbourne, FL

#420047 Feb 4, 2013
Robert Dye wrote:
<quoted text>
We can't put the guy in jail. That's for the civil authority to do, or not.
Personally, if they can prove a charge of perjury, I hope they go after him with everything they've got.
It does not seem as though there is much hope of charges on anything else, due to statutes of limitations, although the right creative argument about criminal supression of information might be made to pass muster.
My suspicion is that Benedict may summon him to Rome (if criminal charges are not files), where Mahoney will be just one of a dime-a-dozen Cardinals, rather than one of only two in LA.
Rob
I agree with you. Mahoney may well be summoned to Rome, where he can be a dime-a-dozen Cardinal.

Refreshing.
RCC Superiority So BUSTED

Melbourne, FL

#420048 Feb 4, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Just more of your "smoke blowing" anti-catholic bogus "personal distorted opinions"..... You have become an "expert" at creating "thick emission pollution" from the "hot air contamination" every time you make a comment!!!
Forgive me.
TrueWitness

Homewood, IL

#420049 Feb 4, 2013
There is big money involved in being the only true church or denomination if you can get it to grow and expand. Lots of money and problem to go with it like any other business

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#420050 Feb 4, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>"this person who used that oil on the feet of Jesus is NOT MARY MAGADELEN, IT IS THE SISTER OF MARTHA AND LAZARUS.and they are always portrayed as FRIENDS of Jesus, NEVER AS A SINNER, LIKE YOU ARE CALLING HER."
these are the words that I used to show robert that this was not the sinner Mary, and all you are doing is showing the world that my statement was CORRECT. SO WHATS THE BEEF? LOL.
getting back to Mary, the Mother of jesus, It is my opinion that Mary never got Saved until after His death.when she then began to walk with His Disciples instead of being outside the gate,looking in.LOL. and then like many others at Pentecost, she received the Holy Spirit, and there are many denominations that would insist that would have been the time that she got Saved. knowing that jesus is the Savior and accepting Him as your personal Savior are two entirely different things. as several have posted verses that show His siblings didnt believe in Him as the messiah, you would have thought that Mary [knowing] then that he was the Messiah would have taught her children better. I know that I have taught my children that Jesus is Lord.as a senior, my son wrote for a grant that he was brought up in a religious family. he got it of course. and it paid for his tutution and books all thru college.
when you Bless God, He will bless you.
preston

A religion based on "It is my opinion" is not based in the Truth of the Bible. Being religous, and in a religous family is not a guarantee of eternal life with God.

Get back, read the Bible. Pray to understand that Jesus is the actual Son of Man and Son of God, and not some alter-ontological creation of God replacing Adam....
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#420051 Feb 4, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
How does leaving the Church help protect the children?
How did your leaving help?(I thought you left before you were aware of the scandal)
What are you doing now to protect the children?
Some child protection advocates say with the safeguards instituted by the Church, children are safer in Catholic schools and Churches than in any other organization.
Anthony says....

...Some child protection advocates say with the safeguards instituted by the Church, children are safer in Catholic schools and Churches than in any other organization.

Michael says. You are right Anthony. Can you imagine in your church if this was still the 1980s/90s when much of this damage was going on, behind the backs of you and all the followers.

..Quit patting your church leaders on the back. The safeguards are ONLY in place because priests/bishops got caught and the number of cases were so overwhelming (worldwide) they couldn't do anything but cave in to public pressure to do what is right.

We are seeing the ugly results today from what has happened in the past.

The very first time the church leaders are dialing 911!

Its going to take decades to clean up the entire mess.

Lets hope they do.
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#420052 Feb 4, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
005 970
<quoted text>
This is not a denial...For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
This is the truth...However, sinning by the Catholic pedophile cadre and other abuses by priests and nuns, against defenseless children,is a way of life....you have proven that is not so in the denominations you named...thanks.
Oh...LOL You are a pretty thick dude. No scholar protestant, secular or Catholic with the facts support your moronic contention. All you need do is check the insurance statistics which show greater abuse in Protestant circles, which do not include black churches or the many churches who have been dropped or could not afford it and the delusional ones who think abuse is not possible in their churches or amongst their members. The sinless ones. You really should learn more about abuse and try to remove your blindfold when you do so. I think there is a good reason the SBC would not keep a list of offendors and record keeping is hardly the formal and meticulous documentation of the church. I have no problem weeding out offendors. I have a problem with angry self righteous ignorant bigots like yourself who throw stones froma glass house. If it makes you feel better to ignore your problem the children are the ones who will suffer. However, clearly you have the best interests of children in mind. ;0 Brilliant stuff Oxbore. Its really sad that people like you will never get it, because as I said your hatred of Catholics is more important than the children. Sad
RCC Superiority So BUSTED

Melbourne, FL

#420053 Feb 4, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
No it was not.
More spin and denial. Specifically...

"... even the Bible was once on the blacklist. Translations of the holy book ended up on the bonfires along with other ``heretical'' works because the Church, whose official language was Latin, was suspicious of allowing the faithful access to sacred texts without ecclesiastical guidance."

http://www.book-arts-l.ua.edu/1998/01/msg0028...

We've know all the excuses.

By refusing to provide official translations, the RCC was very effective in banning the Bible from 99.5% of humanity.

Then came the terrible Reformation, with things like human rights and democracy. It's been downhill ever since.

Forgive those who went against the RCC and ultimately gave you the right to vote.

LOL
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#420054 Feb 4, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Why aren't you out helping protect kids in protestant communities and public schools? It's more dangerous for them there.
"tip of the iceberg"?
Considering the public schools and protestant communities are worse than Catholic, it sounds to me like you've got a lot of work ahead of you. Or....are you like Freemind, all talk, no walk?
I support all victims of crime. I will stand against anyone with criminal intentions taking advantage anyone who ever they are.

and it is the tip of the iceburg.

192 priests/bishop litigants just in the Diocese of Los Angeles.$660 MILLION. Does that sound trivial?

Victims? Over 500. The tip of the iceburg.

I posted to you before that all the dioceses in Minnesota have had their share of abusive clergy. What the hell is going on??

These are the very clergy who taught people like you and me Anthony when we were young that we could never receive the eucharist with such sins on our souls, but for some reason that never applied to those clergy that abused and those that covered up these sins. They gave themselves the eucharist at every mass they said with full knowledge of what they were doing.

We know you love your church. We know the people are hurting, but unless you stop being made fools of and start speaking out to your church leaders, this will not go away for a long long time, and its nobodys fault but your own for being SILENT.


MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#420055 Feb 4, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Mikey did you hear the news? Thank God you have done so much! Now you can really help. Learn!
The training programs offered by Catholic parishes now are so widespread and considered so helpful that non-Catholic churches frequently send their parishioners to the Catholic training programs. In most dioceses, clergy are required to repeat this training every so many years or face often severe punishment, such as the suspension of faculties (having permission to preach and celebrate the sacraments revoked by the bishop). Prevention measures by U.S. dioceses are tracked by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, which conducts regular audits to ensure that all parishes are in compliance, and the audit results are published.
Al Notzon III, chair of the National Review Board that has helped advise the U.S. bishops on clergy sex abuse, said that there has been “striking improvement” and “children are safer now” than they were several years ago. However, there is still work to do in order to “protect children and restore trust,” he said.
Notzon spoke to the U.S. bishops gathered at their spring meeting in Atlanta, Ga. on June 13.
He delivered a 10 year progress report on the Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People, which was adopted by the bishops in Dallas in 2002 as part of their response to the sexual abuse scandal.
He also offered recommendations based on a recent study conducted by the independent research institution John Jay College of Criminal Justice, entitled "The Causes and Context of Sexual Abuse of Minors by Catholic Priests in the United States, 1950-2010."
The Church has taken “serious steps towards understanding and reducing” sexual abuse of minors by priests, Notzon said.
He noted that there has been a steady decline in new cases of abuse and that all 195 U.S. dioceses and eparchies now have policies and procedures in place to prevent and handle abuse, as well as a Victim Assistance Coordinator to help in responding to allegations.
Dioceses across the country have instituted review boards comprised of both laity and clergy to advise on alleged abuse cases and are actively cooperating with legal authorities when such accusations arise, he said.
Additionally, confidentiality agreements have been abolished, except when requested by victims.
http://www.soladeiverbum.com/abuse.shtml
http://childmolestationprevention.org/
fforts have also been made to offer pastoral assistance to victims, and written codes of conduct have been implemented for clergy and other adults who work around children, Notzon added.
Despite these significant improvements, dioceses must continue working to restore trust, he said, emphasizing that the work “is not finished and may never be.”
“We must never let our guard down,” he stated, cautioning against “complacency” or reduced vigilance.
He offered recommendations for the future based on the independently-conducted “causes and context” study, which he observed may be useful for other organizations, since child sexual abuse is a problem in the broader community and not just the Catholic Church.
Education is one important factor in working to improve the protection of young people in the U.S., said Notzon.
Thats good news!

What part did you play in instituting these measures?

Can you imagine how much damage has been done over 17 centuries that this has been going on in the church? Its written right into the Canon Laws and papal documents since the 3rd century that this has been a serious problem with some clergy.

1700 years later we see some light at the end of the tunnel.

Seriously, I believe the worst is behind us. A tough lesson to learn, and it just goes to show. You can't trust anyone until you know for sure.
ReginaM

Middletown, NJ

#420056 Feb 4, 2013
RCC Superiority So BUSTED wrote:
<quoted text>
More spin and denial. Specifically...
"... even the Bible was once on the blacklist. Translations of the holy book ended up on the bonfires along with other ``heretical'' works because the Church, whose official language was Latin, was suspicious of allowing the faithful access to sacred texts without ecclesiastical guidance."
http://www.book-arts-l.ua.edu/1998/01/msg0028...
We've know all the excuses.
By refusing to provide official translations, the RCC was very effective in banning the Bible from 99.5% of humanity.
Then came the terrible Reformation, with things like human rights and democracy. It's been downhill ever since.
Forgive those who went against the RCC and ultimately gave you the right to vote.
LOL
The Church banned UNAPPROVED and FAULTY translations of the scriptures.

Still wetting your pants because you think you've hit the jackpot.(lol)! This guy must know you personally, he described you to a tee!

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