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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 688604 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#420217 Feb 5, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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All they have on us is the scandal....
AND:

- that you don't follow all of what Jesus taught.
- you believe in less than six of the original 13 Apostles
- you believe that men know "God"
- you believe that "God" limits his inspiration
- that you cannot define the so-called "Church" correctly and accurately

Shall I continue?

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#420218 Feb 5, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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Michael says...."Regina M. says"
ReginaM says.....ReginaM didn't say that. ReginaM copied and pasted a quote from St. Augustine, and the quote is cited as such.
ReginaM says.....Michael should learn to read and stop desperately seeking attention every second of every day.
ReginaM says...Michael is BUSTED....again.
ReginaM
Peace

I don't pay any attention to his writing anymore. They are anti-Christ, and anti-theistic in nature. It took me awhile to "let go".

He believes his conscience makes him a more righteous, when in fact he is but a miserable creature now. His message is for destruction not only of the RCC, but of anything concerning God....How awful.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#420219 Feb 5, 2013
Regina M. says......
. I agree with what you're saying and am of the mind that the problems within the Church are bad enough! without the lies, distortions, and exaggerations that most non-Catholics indulge in.

Michael says.
OK ReginaM. Please tell us what lies, distortions and exaggerations are being made?
You made the statement, back up what you claim?
ReginaM wrote:
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This is exactly what I'm talking about.
Anyone who engages in any kind of dialogue with you...*or anyone like you*... about *anything* to do with the Catholic Church should have their head examined.
You are owed no explanations, you are owed *Nothing*.
No, no one is saying anything bad about the Church. What an arrogant little.....
Non-answer and diversion.

You do know the difference between when someone says "your church" and the so-called "Church", right?

Apparently you don't.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#420220 Feb 5, 2013
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Robert F wrote:
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Chuck new friend
It is hard to find a difference....
I would compare Abraham and Mary in that they both offered up their son's as a sacrifice. Abraham's was spared death, and Mary's was not..., And both of them, Isaac and Jesus, carried up the wood up where they were offered in the same place, and different times, but different names(Mt Moriah, Calvary).
It was Mary's ultimate trust in the Will of God, that allowed her to offer up Jesus, as Jesus did the Will of God. Such a trust was rewarded in a different way than Abraham. His faith was rewarded in a sense of faith that he would be the father of nations. But Mary would be of an eternal nature, that of being the Mother of the Church
The dynamics of God's revelation of himself in Christ, has made the Grace of God more working in the faithful more apparent to those who adhere(abide) in God....
There is no Scripture that even hints of Mary "offering her son as a sacrifice".....

It does teach: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#420221 Feb 5, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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But my point is Mary is just another faithful obedient servant who did the will of God. No different than Abraham, Joshua, Moses, Paul, the list goes on and on...all faithful obedient servants of God.
And yet Mary is the one put up on a pedestal, honored, and adored...why? She was submissive to God and that's it jst like the others..
Chuck new friend

I understand what you are saying. But don't you think she has a unique position? She is to Jesus the only earthly mother He had....And that he was under her care as a child....Is there anyone else on this earth given by God such a grace and such an honor and responibiliy?
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#420222 Feb 5, 2013
Robert F wrote:
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Truth
I agree with you here. Some like preston consider that Jesus' kinsfolk are mocking Jesus here calling him out of his mind. But I just can't see it like that.
I see his kin as being concerned for Jesus' health and safety, and the expression used here is a bit more dramtic in the story, to show how extreme the situation exists.
The question is as Jesus was concerned for eternal salvation for humanity, is that a sane thing for God to demonstrate? In the post ressurrection world, we of course say ,"Yes." But before the glory of Jesus revelation of the Father it would be very difficult to see....
Amen they were concernd not imbarrased for Christ safety due to the crowd that is why Christ had the apostles/disciples to wait with the boat.
ReginaM

Toms River, NJ

#420223 Feb 5, 2013
Robert F wrote:
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ReginaM
Peace
I don't pay any attention to his writing anymore. They are anti-Christ, and anti-theistic in nature. It took me awhile to "let go".
He believes his conscience makes him a more righteous, when in fact he is but a miserable creature now. His message is for destruction not only of the RCC, but of anything concerning God....How awful.
Thank you, Robert. Normally I don't read their posts at all, maybe once in a blue moon, but that's it. I usually just scroll past when I see their names. Things got slow around here and there weren't any good theological discussions, so I made the mistake of giving them some attention.
They're not back on the "ignore" list.

Just noticed that some are posting that the Blessed Mother is no different than any other who did God's will, that she's no one special! Good Lord! She is the biological mother of Jesus!! It's her blood that runs through His veins!
What are these people thinking??!!!

ARE they thinking??!!!
ReginaM

Toms River, NJ

#420224 Feb 5, 2013
Correction: They're *now* back on the "ignore" list.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#420225 Feb 5, 2013
Grounds for divorce...

A judge was interviewing a woman regarding her pending divorce, and asked, "What are the grounds for your devorce?"
She replied, "About four acres and a nice little home in the middle of the property with a stream running by."
"No," he said, "I mean what is the foundation of this case?"
"It is made of concrete, brick and mortar," she responded.
"I mean," he continued, "What are your relations like?"
"I have an aunt and uncle living here in town, and so do my husband's parents."
He said, "Do you have a real grudge?"
"No," she replied, "We have a two-car carport and have never really needed one."
"Please," he tried again, "is there any infidelity in your marriage?"
"Yes, both my son and daughter have stereo sets. We don't necessarily like the music, but the answer to your questions is 'yes'."
"Ma'am, does your husband ever beat you up?"
"Yes," she responded, "about twice a week he gets up earlier than I do."
Finally, in frustration, the judge asked, "Lady, why do you want a divorce?"
"Oh, I don't want a divorce," she replied. "I've never wanted a divorce. My husband does. He said he can't communicate with me."

lol

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#420226 Feb 5, 2013
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Robert F wrote:
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Chuck new friend
I understand what you are saying. But don't you think she has a unique position? She is to Jesus the only earthly mother He had....And that he was under her care as a child....Is there anyone else on this earth given by God such a grace and such an honor and responibiliy?
Unique indeed!!! Not everybody can say they are God's lowly handmaiden!!!!

For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
MICHAEL

Canada

#420227 Feb 5, 2013
Robert F wrote:
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ReginaM
Peace
I don't pay any attention to his writing anymore. They are anti-Christ, and anti-theistic in nature. It took me awhile to "let go".
He believes his conscience makes him a more righteous, when in fact he is but a miserable creature now. His message is for destruction not only of the RCC, but of anything concerning God....How awful.
Wrong again.

Anti-Christ you say.

......... Then I guess you feel the same way towards Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and anyone else not christian. That is sad. That is Bigotry.

I post factual information about some catholic church leaders. If you disagree with what I have posted reply back with a rebuttal.

If many catholic church leaders had been living the lives they taught you how to live there would be no stories to post at all.

Put the blame where it squarely belongs, and quit defending those that have created this mess and stolen the lives of thousands of victims.

I can't believe catholics keep defending those that have been found sinful and criminal within their church, and would rather attack me for telling you about them then address them.

I am not going away.......I will continue to post the truth about some members of your church. Isn't it time you got on board?
MICHAEL

Canada

#420228 Feb 5, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
Correction: They're *now* back on the "ignore" list.
Mine too!

IGNORED!
MICHAEL

Canada

#420229 Feb 5, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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Thank you, Robert. Normally I don't read their posts at all, maybe once in a blue moon, but that's it. I usually just scroll past when I see their names. Things got slow around here and there weren't any good theological discussions, so I made the mistake of giving them some attention.
They're not back on the "ignore" list.
Just noticed that some are posting that the Blessed Mother is no different than any other who did God's will, that she's no one special! Good Lord! She is the biological mother of Jesus!! It's her blood that runs through His veins!
What are these people thinking??!!!
ARE they thinking??!!!
Regina M. says....It's her blood that runs through His veins! What are they thinking!!!!

Michael says.....

I didn't think spirits had blood. You learn something new everyday.

UNBELIEVABLE!

You are not very good at explaining things.(lol)



Michael says......so anyone born Muslim, Hindu, Jew, whatever who wasn't taught about Jesus or Mary is what?

Catholics make up only 17% of the world population. 83% disagree with your religious belief. No one is attacking your church, its just that 83% of the world were born by CHANCE into a different theological belief than you.

MICHAEL

Canada

#420230 Feb 5, 2013
Robert F wrote:
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Truth
I agree with you here. Some like preston consider that Jesus' kinsfolk are mocking Jesus here calling him out of his mind. But I just can't see it like that.
I see his kin as being concerned for Jesus' health and safety, and the expression used here is a bit more dramtic in the story, to show how extreme the situation exists.
The question is as Jesus was concerned for eternal salvation for humanity, is that a sane thing for God to demonstrate? In the post ressurrection world, we of course say ,"Yes." But before the glory of Jesus revelation of the Father it would be very difficult to see....
Robert says.

....Some like preston consider that Jesus' kinsfolk are mocking Jesus here calling him out of his mind. But I just can't see it like that.

....Robert says .you just can't see it that way.

Michael says...

So! we should interpret the bible exactly how you want it to read?

I read it the exact way it is written. Are you now saying the inspired WORDS of God are incorrectly written?

When Paul says James is the brother of the Lord, I guess that is wrong too.

What is the point in the bible if you can change meanings and words to fit your personal agenda?

Where does the fiction stop and the truth begin?

.....something is wrong Robert F.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#420231 Feb 5, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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There is no Scripture that even hints of Mary "offering her son as a sacrifice".....
It does teach: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Oxbow

The Blessed Mary was a devoted Jew, as exemplified by the Presentation, and attendence at the Feasts. And with all Jews they expected the Messiah.

She knew the scriptures.

She accepted by faith, she would bear the Messiah.

Isaiah 53 she knew, and accepted her son would be the Suffering Servant....therefore she knew...."7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth."

And this was done in the instant acceptance by her faith. So she knew Jesus would die in a terrible way, but was thankful and rejoiced in God her Savior, named Jesus.
RCC Superiority So BUSTED

Melbourne, FL

#420232 Feb 5, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
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Wrong again.
Anti-Christ you say.
......... Then I guess you feel the same way towards Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and anyone else not christian. That is sad. That is Bigotry.
I post factual information about some catholic church leaders. If you disagree with what I have posted reply back with a rebuttal.
If many catholic church leaders had been living the lives they taught you how to live there would be no stories to post at all.
Put the blame where it squarely belongs, and quit defending those that have created this mess and stolen the lives of thousands of victims.
I can't believe catholics keep defending those that have been found sinful and criminal within their church, and would rather attack me for telling you about them then address them.
I am not going away.......I will continue to post the truth about some members of your church. Isn't it time you got on board?
You post facts backed by links -- all on board topic.

No one can refute the facts, so they whine and attack the messenger.

This is not a Catholic forum. This is a forum where the title says in essence "the Reformation sucks"

Funny how the RCC hypocrites whine and complain, as they enjoy the fruits of the Reformation.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#420233 Feb 5, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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Thank you, Robert. Normally I don't read their posts at all, maybe once in a blue moon, but that's it. I usually just scroll past when I see their names. Things got slow around here and there weren't any good theological discussions, so I made the mistake of giving them some attention.
They're not back on the "ignore" list.
Just noticed that some are posting that the Blessed Mother is no different than any other who did God's will, that she's no one special! Good Lord! She is the biological mother of Jesus!! It's her blood that runs through His veins!
What are these people thinking??!!!
ARE they thinking??!!!
ReginaM
Peace

I spent my day reading.

Non-Catholics have a difficult time seeing that the Blessed Mother is nothing more than a sister in Christ. Some in their understanding know the Bible says to call her Blessed. But it just doesn't register in the heart.

I think also it is a form of secular relativism, that everyone is the same, which also goes along with the Bible verse always quoted(lol) "everyone has sinned".... These together form a sort of spiritual darkness.

I also think it is due to the emphasis on a personal relationship with God which tends toward being exclusive, rather than inclusive.

When one's own salvation takes priority over God's Will, that was done by Jesus, there is a sort of isolation. Catholics of course find this foreign because of the unity in the Body of Triumphant, Militant, and Suffering.
RCC Superiority So BUSTED

Melbourne, FL

#420234 Feb 5, 2013
Robert Dye wrote:
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Depends on what you mean by "actions."
I imagine Cardinal Ratsinger's primary interest would have been disciplinary actions taken under Church law. Did you take this man out of ministry? Was it done according to canon law? What do you have him doing now? What steps are you taking to avoid such cases in the future?
These are what would be the area of review for the CDF. In HINDSIGHT, it is easy to say that the CDF should ALSO have been adressing how bishops were dealing with (or in too many cases, NOT DEALING WITH) civil authorities.
I can see how they made the mistake. It would be near epic folly for an office in Rome to try to keep up on laws on this stuff in every jurisdiction around the world.(There is enough variability - or was - in just the USA for it to be pretty confusing). It would probably be thought that the civil implications and pastoral response (tending to needs of victims and their families) be left to those close to the situation.
Obviously, THAT does not work (we're seeing the same samned thing with public schools and the boy scouts just now, unfortunately). There is an almost universal instinct to try to cover your failures.
I doubt if Cardinal Ratsinger knew how Mahoney was covering things up ... how he was focused on "avoiding civil litigation" and manipulting US laws by hiding the perps in other jurisdictions.
It made sense (at one point) to send these guys for treatment (This assumes the absense of criminal charges, which was too often the case), and facilities set up for treatment are few. One in Arizona (? Servants of the Paraclete), one in Washington, DC, one in Hartford, Connecticut, and perhaps Detroit and Minnesota (Guest House, which mainly treats alcohol and drug abuse, but I *think* they may have tried treating sexual paraphilia as well). Except for dioceses where these facilities are located, a bishop would HAVE to send the man out of state for treatment.
(I wish I could look up what happened with servants of the paraclete, but can't close this window, or I lose the whole post. I may get some points wrong.) In many cases, priests set to Servants ofte Paraclete were not welcome to return home.(I ca't say how often this was the Mahoney strategy.) Pronounced "cured," they were given assignments by the local bishop, and this proved to be a major mistake and disaster.
Conventional wisdom on this is STILL evolving. We know you can never return an offender to an assignment involving chidren.
This means NO parish assignment, and NO hospital ministry.
One might assume this means defrocking them, but that may not be such a good idea.
Benedict faced harsh criticism over a case in California where hedragged his feet on defrocking a priest who had already been removed from ministry.(60 minutes did a real hatchet job of Benedict on this one.) Benedict finally caved, and defrocked the guy, which gave hom the right to marry in the Church. He did, to a woman with young children, and guess what happened?(In my opinion, Benedict bears some culpability in this case. But you can't have it both ways. If Benedict is culpable for giving this guy permission to leave the priesthood and marry, how han he ALSO be blamed when he was dragging his feet, and expressing doubts that this should be permitted. edited.... removed from ministry. The civil authorities were declining to prosecute. hat more could B do?)
Out of space. Sorry
Rob, a second reply as you touched on so many points.

BOTTOM LINE.... I do you believe the RCC's response during the past few years reflects any sort of superior spirituality, morality, or supreme guidance.

I believe a fair grade would be average at best. But certainly no evidence of unique guidance.

We can debate the details, but the countries of Ireland, Belgium, and Australia seem to share my position.

BIG QUESTION: Do you Fr Rob -- believe the RCC's response to this scandal reflect the wishes and standards of Jesus?
chuck

Sunbury, OH

#420235 Feb 5, 2013
Robert F wrote:
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Chuck new friend
I understand what you are saying. But don't you think she has a unique position? She is to Jesus the only earthly mother He had....And that he was under her care as a child....Is there anyone else on this earth given by God such a grace and such an honor and responibiliy?
Moses lead God`s people out of Egypt...how bout the 10 Commandments.

Unique position?

Many have served God and no one is greater than the other.
truth

Perth, Australia

#420236 Feb 5, 2013
If you asked Jesus Christ he will tell you about satanic wicket conspiracy everywhere in all aspect.
Which house you have.
Is that house broken..must be wicket builders who take money and gone..about defense..they defending wicket corupt world as they serving include lawyers and judges too.

Now..pray for yourself..satanic policy is divided every family as well soul of each person.

now
Pray for them..fire under feet of holy cross is place for them..did you fill that..o yes i hope they will be there for long period time maybe never go out from that fire.

Still you have time for conversion of sinners.

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