Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#419170 Jan 31, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
Catholics do not believe in soul sleep!
The False Doctrine of "Soul Sleep" and Prayers To, For, and From the Dead: the Biblical Evidence Confirms Catholic Belief
Consciousness after death is clearly taught in Scripture. For example: the soul is described as a separate entity from the body:
http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2007/11/false-...
Ephesians 3

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

16 And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.

17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

22 Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?

Your Pope only THINKS to change TIMES and Law.

Ecclesiastes 8

6Because to every purpose there is time and judgment, therefore the misery of man is heavy upon him.

7For he knows not that which shall be: for who can tell him when it shall be?

8There is no man that has power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither has he power in the day of death: and there is no release from that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.

9All this have I seen, and applied my heart unto every work that is done under the sun: there is a time in which one man rules over another to his own hurt.

All Suffer Death

10And so I saw the wicked buried, who had come and gone from the holy place, and they were forgotten in the city where they had so done: this is also vanity.

11Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

12Though a sinner does evil a hundred times, and his days are prolonged, yet surely I know that it shall be well with them that fear God, who fear before him:

13But it shall not be well with the wicked, neither shall he prolong his days, which are as a shadow; because he fears not before God.

17Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun: because though a man labors to seek it out, yet he shall not find it; yea moreover; though a wise man thinks to know it, yet shall he not be able to find it.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#419171 Jan 31, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>you accuse the protestants of picking and choosing and throwing out the truth,yet it's the exact same thing the catholic church did,it even went as far as burning some books,it's ok with you because the catholic church did it,but you condenm others who do the same thing,how hypocritical.
Books that were burned, were "blatant heretical lies and fabricated distortions of the TRUTH" by those rebellious and defiant heretics that denied the TRUTH of what Jesus Christ actually handed down--to and by-- to his Apostles. They are just a "repeat" of the story of the prodigal son in Luke 15:11 willfully defiant and rebellious---until---eventuall y---"they eventually came to their senses"!!
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#419172 Jan 31, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes---I give "thumbs up" to the Catholic Church because it teaches the TRUTH OF DOCTRINE handed down by Jesus Christ over 2000 years ago--and not because of a small "handful of priests" who "by their sinful sexual abusive actions" have "rejected" their priestly vows and commitment to Jesus Christs One True Apostolic Catholic Church. The "inappropriate actions" of a few priests who have "gone astray" is not in (any way shape of form) miY OWN OR ANY other CATHOLICS guidelines for the TRUTH of what the Catholic Church actually proclaims and teaches, in that homosexuality, adultery, sexual child molesting, stealing,(or ANY SIN) is wrong and is still sin in the eyes of God. The issue here for us Catholics is that we follow and believe in the TRUTH OF DOCTRINE and NOT the sin of inappropriate and perverted CONDUCT of some of the Catholic Churches members!! Do you finally "get it now" Michael or are you still "stuck on your anti-catholici vengeance and hostility,continuing to distort the truth!!
You might love your church building, the waxy candle smell, the sparkle of the priceless gold chalices, and be in AW! of the expensive stain glass windows and oak panelling, and love the fragrance of the incense, and the doctrines, but when the very teachers of your faith for centuries have been involved in corruption, and coverups of criminal activity, how can you trust ANYTHING they tell you.?

Its time you went back in history and learned about the very men who control your church..........and you.

The church runs on MONEY. If every catholic decided to stop giving, the church would be gone in less than 2 years.

Keep feeding it!




How many times can a Pope apologize.

GOOGLE ......Pope apologizes....
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#419173 Jan 31, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, you should be starting your own protestant denomination since you're able to infallibly interpret scripture all by your lonesome, uh, I mean you and the Holy Spirit. Where do I sign up?
On your knees talking directly to God is were you start Anthony.
Its not me and the Holy Spirit , it is the Holy Spirit Period
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#419174 Jan 31, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
"Do you see that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only?"
What don't you understand about this verse Anthony, Our works didn't save us our faith alone did.

Ephesians 2:8-9

King James Version (KJV)


8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#419175 Jan 31, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
The bible uses the word 'justification'. No passage uses the words justification and faith only EXCEPT when St. James says we are NOT justified by faith only. Debate over.
And you don't have any authority to declare who the woman is.
If the woman is Mary then she did have other children????

Later in Rev 12 we read... check this out Tony....

Rev 12:17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#419176 Jan 31, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Catholic rock says......
...That is why one is to stay with what is stated.
Michael says......Catholics claim that Jesus was an only child, and his mother an ever virgin, yet St Paul says........James was the BROTHER of the Lord.
Does anyone in any authority really know? NO!
http://www.infoplease.com/encyclopedia/people...
A religious group can spin a story anyway they want it to be understood, even if it means hammering a square peg into a round hole, to make it fit.
I say ...BUSTED!
It Would make since to go with what Paul said not a sect like the RCC or any other sect.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#419177 Jan 31, 2013
1.Rom. 3:28-30, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one."
2.Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,"
3.Rom. 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,"
4.Rom. 9:30, "What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith."
5.Rom. 10:4, "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."
6.Rom. 11:6, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."
7.Gal. 2:16, "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified."
8.Gal. 2:21, I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.
9.Gal. 3:5-6, "Does He then, who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? 6Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness."
10.Gal. 3:24, "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith."
11.Eph. 2:8-9, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. 9Not by works, lest any man should boast."
12.Phil. 3:9, "and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith."
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#419178 Jan 31, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
"Do you see that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only?"
I see by Faith their works do follow them.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#419179 Jan 31, 2013
Again, works/Law is contrasted with faith repeatedly and we are told that we are not justified by works in any way. Therefore, we are made right with God by faith, not by faith and our works; hence, faith alone.

James 2:24, not by faith alone

The scriptures clearly teach that we are saved (justified) by faith in Christ and what He has done on the cross. This faith alone saves us. However, we cannot stop here without addressing what James says in James 2:24, "You see that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone."

There is no contradiction. All you need to do is look at the context. James chapter 2 has 26 verses: Verses 1-7 instruct us not to show favoritism. Verses 8-13 are comments on the Law. Verses 14-26 are about the relationship between faith and works.

James begins this section by using the example of someone who says he has faith but has no works, "What use is it, my brethren, if a man says he has faith, but he has no works? Can that faith save him?" (James 2:14). In other words, James is addressing the issue of a dead faith, a faith that is nothing more than a verbal pronouncement, a public confession of the mind, and is not heart-felt. It is empty of life and action. He begins with the negative and demonstrates what an empty faith is (verses 15-17, words without actions). Then he shows that type of faith isn't any different from the faith of demons (verse 19). Finally, he gives examples of living faith that has words followed by actions. Works follow true faith and demonstrate that faith to our fellow man, but not to God. James writes of Abraham and Rahab as examples of people who demonstrated their faith by their deeds.

In brief, James is examining two kinds of faith: one that leads to godly works and one that does not. One is true, and the other is false. One is dead, the other alive; hence, "Faith without works is dead," (James 2:20). But, he is not contradicting the verses above that say salvation/justification is by faith alone.

Also, notice that James actually quotes the same verse that Paul quotes in Rom. 4:3 amongst a host of verses dealing with justification by faith. James 2:23 says, "and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, and Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.'" If James was trying to teach a contradictory doctrine of faith and works than the other New Testament writers, then he would not have used Abraham as an example. Therefore, we can see that justification is by faith alone and that James was talking about false faith, not real faith when he said we are not justified by faith alone.

Clay

Chicago, IL

#419180 Jan 31, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
What don't you understand about this verse Anthony, Our works didn't save us our faith alone did.
Ephesians 2:8-9
King James Version (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Its faith + works.
Is not faith alone and its not works alone.
Faith + works.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#419181 Jan 31, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
On your knees talking directly to God is were you start Anthony.
Its not me and the Holy Spirit , it is the Holy Spirit Period
I don't think it's the Holy Spirit causing you to lie about the Catholic faith day and night on this board LTM.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#419182 Jan 31, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
What don't you understand about this verse Anthony, Our works didn't save us our faith alone did.
Ephesians 2:8-9
King James Version (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Doesn't say faith alone. You added that. St. James says were are NOT justified by faith only, but also by works.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#419183 Jan 31, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
If the woman is Mary then she did have other children????
Later in Rev 12 we read... check this out Tony....
Rev 12:17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring
Mary is our mother. Those who follow her Son are her offspring.

Don't debate the meaning of this Chuck, you don't have the authority.
truth

Perth, Australia

#419184 Jan 31, 2013
law not exist
no

your law is Cross
where you sending good people

desire to wish to have which your leaders don't liked confirm they are materialistic power..they have desire innovation this or that..

honest have tears and Cross
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#419185 Jan 31, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
"Do you see that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only?"
Romans 5:18

18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#419186 Jan 31, 2013
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>I see by Faith their works do follow them.
James 2:24 - the phrase "faith alone" (the Greek "pisteos monon") only occurs once in the Bible. "Man is justified by works and NOT faith alone." Unlike what many Protestant churches teach, no where in Scripture does it say that man is justified or saved by "faith alone." To the contrary, man is not justified by faith alone. In Catholic theology, a person is justified by faith and works acting together, which comes solely from God’s divine grace. Faith alone never obtains the grace of justification (Council of Trent, chapter 8, canon 9). Also, the word “justified”(dikaiow) is the same word Paul uses for justification in Rom. 4:3 in regard to Abraham (so Protestants cannot argue James is not referring to “justification” in James 2:24 unless they argue Paul wasn’t in Rom. 4:3 either).

James 1:22-25 - it's the "doers" who are justified, not the hearers. Justification is based on what we do, which means “works.” Notice that there is nothing about “false faith.” The hearers may have faith, but they need to accompany their faith by works, or they will not be justified. See also Rom. 2:13.

James 2:17,26 - James clearly teaches that faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead. Works are a cause, not just an effect, of our justification because good works achieve and increase our justification before God. Scripture never says anything about “saving faith.” Protestants cannot show us from the Scriptures that “works” qualify the “faith” into saving faith. Instead, here and elsewhere, the Scriptures teach that justification is achieved only when “faith and works” act together. Scripture puts no qualifier on faith. Scripture also never says that faith “leads to works.” Faith is faith and works are works (James 2:18). They are distinct (mind and action), and yet must act together in order to receive God’s unmerited gift of justification.

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#419187 Jan 31, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Mary is our mother. Those who follow her Son are her offspring.
Don't debate the meaning of this Chuck, you don't have the authority.
ROTFL@U!!! Sorry Tony...doesn't say that...anywhere

New catholic doctrine???

Rev 12:6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days.

*Please...interpret for me. You're on a roll!!!!!
ReginaM

Middletown, NJ

#419188 Jan 31, 2013
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
You see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

American King James Version
You see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

American Standard Version
Ye see that by works a man is justified, and not only by faith.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?

New International Version (©1984)
You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.

New Living Translation (©2007)
So you see, we are shown to be right with God by what we do, not by faith alone.

English Standard Version (©2001)
You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

International Standard Version (©2012)
You observe that a person is justified through actions and not through faith alone.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
You see that by works a man is justified and not from faith alone.

Looks like we're not justified by faith alone.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#419189 Jan 31, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
...As you know Anthony, without the followers the catholic church would have no financial resources. No money, to pay the bills.
...Every catholic priest/bishop who was arrested and charged for Sexually molesting a child, has much of their legal defense costs paid for by the followers of the church. Doesn't that make you feel good? In a way of speaking, devout catholics are sitting behind the abusive priest and his defense team in court, supporting him financially.
Aren't you proud of that? Take a big bow ANTHONY!
Where is your voice of anger, as to why church collection money is supporting criminal and unlawful behavior?........ SILENCE!
..I bring the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
You are taught how to be a good catholic Anthony, and what you must believe to be one.
You were not taught the things of God, and how to be a follower of Jesus Christ.

In the Catholic Church; God it seems is the last person you go to
when it should be the very first.
There is the Priest, the Pope, Mary and other dead saints, whom you ask to go to God for you. That is sad.
Jesus dead to reconcile man with God. So we can go boldly to the throne of God, and talk to Him personaly Anthony.
He doesn't want you to rely your messages and concerns through other people.
How would you like it if your children did that to you, Anthony.
Its terrible how the catholic church teaches you to fear the very person who loves you the most.

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