Roman Catholic church only true churc...

Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 670531 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#418491 Jan 27, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Two things you can't determine by the New Testament.
1. That Peter was never in Rome
2. That James is the biological sibling of Jesus.
If you teach your theory based on the New Testament writings, you risk going against the will of Jesus Christ.
You risk spreading rumors about His Mom.
What can you argue on judgement day? You thought everything about Jesus and His Mom was in the 27 books of the New Testament??
Jesus will say, "why on Earth did you think that Preston. I never said that!"
the NT doesnt ever say that peter was in Roma either.

and the NT does say several times that james is His brother,or believed to be,at least to the point that the brothers and the sisters all came from mary, reference the Gospel and also Paul affirms it. I will believe them rather than your lying church fathers.lol

and since you catholics LOVE to say that we protestants took out several books, perhaps your intrepreter jerome should have just deleted those verses rather than lying and saying they were just cousins or whatever lie is prevalent this week.LOL I CANT KEEP UP WITH ALL OF THEM AND NEITHER CAN YOU.

then again, you can act stupid like Dust Storm and say that Hebrew didnt have a word for cousin, which is moot since the NT was written in Greek, and greek both ahs words for brother, sister and cousin.
and since I preach and teach under the guidance and Anointing of the holy Ghost, I have no fear that my soul is going to be lost by doing so.

your clerics are the people that neeed to worry, not me.

and I am going to show you a Bible verse that you no doubt have ever read.

Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

some people think(and that wrongly) that the Gospel should support us, but it means that we who preach the gospel must also live by that same creed of the message. If I do that, I will surely have no FEAR when I stand before Jesus.

and as I have said several times, I am a OT Preacher. I preach Jesus and Him crucified, and show how He was identified in the OT
truth

Daw Park, Australia

#418492 Jan 27, 2013
For us humans wine is very nice..vinegar too.
Spirit from grapes too..all food which sustain our life is good..Creator know everything.

Then why Creator establish this Planet without you.

Who are you possessor who descover destruction?
I know war and wage war here and in space not deference.

Still you not tell me why ant have colony?

Can smart ants stay or use your computer system..think about smart bags..
Why i am stupid?
Please could you explain..ants as bug power can stay and be reactivated in any time bomb.

Colony..why ants have colony?

I asked you many times as well please you not give me answer..why i am stupid according you?
Did i need think like you?
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oo
Now you are very special i am so simple.

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#418493 Jan 27, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Our Church fathers lied to us?
My goodness Preston. Who are you?
You have no business getting involved with Christian teaching like that. You can't reveal anything new! These Biblical teachings were already revealed once by God. You think the Apostolic father got it wrong??
Did God decided to reveal it to you 1900 yrs later?
What was taught was taught Preston. It can't be undone. You will not discover a secret hidden meaning to the Gospels. They already explained Our Lords will. Its done. etched in stone. Revealed to the Church for eternity.
I understand you have to degrade the Holy Eucharist because you don't have it. You have to pick it apart cuz you'll never administer it.
Frankly, I clearly see why Christ would establish such a method (bread and wine). He foresaw the Bible manipulators arising one day.
I think I have a very good reason for being involved in teaching and preaching the Word of God, for one simple little reason,

March 1984, late at night, God told me to preach His Word. I wasnt given an option as to if I wanted to or not.It is very simple, I preach His Word or lose my soul. no inbetween. Not ever.

and lets look at this latest scandal that your church has with this homosexual priest dealing with drugs. he took a [sabbatical]. Preachers that are called by God dont have this choice(poor health is different), but his time out was caused by his sinful lifestyle.

but you are correct in one aspect, i cant preach anything NEW, I AM NOT A JOSEPH SMITH OR A ELLEN WHITE, OR A MILLER.

I Preach the same message that Peter Preached, I Preach the same message that Paul preached. I know nothing else to preach except that Jesus was Born, he died and he Lives, and because he lives, we can too, if we accept Him as our Savior.

so yeah, your church fathers lied to you and your popes continue this thread of lies.they are stupid to assure you that Jesus is a piece of grain, and you catholics are ignorant enough to believe it, rather than doing what Jesus said {DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME]

and I ,even I,am smart enough to memorize those 6 words. why dont you try and memorize them also?

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#418494 Jan 27, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>Uhh,my friend,just because 1.6 billion people have the same belief does NOT make that belief the truth. If that be the case then does that also mean that the over 1 billion muslims that have the same belief must be right in their version of the truth? Scripture tells us that the devil deceiveth the whole world and that all but the ELECT shall be deceivedand I present to you that the ELECT does NOT number in the BILLIONSbut in fact are very few and all the rest of the world is deceived. I present to you that therefore the RCC as well as the Muslim can count themselves among the deceived.
Large number of adherents to your brand of religion does NOT equate your belief being the truth.
Revelation 12:9 and Matthew 24:24

There is a lot of deception going on in the world in the name of religion. Satan's greatest success at deceiving the world is via the so called Church. Do not get so complacent and think that because yourreligion has huge numbers of adherents that that religion must therefore be the true religion.

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#418495 Jan 27, 2013
GIF, do you know that when you post in caps, with only one letter in lower case, the large print will show up.

try it and see.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#418496 Jan 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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YOU CONJURE UP SOME EXOTIC PARABLE AND ATTEMPT TO IMPLICATE ME IN YOUR
RANTINGS..
I GUESS SINCE YOU BELIEVE THE LIES THE ROMAN CATHOLICS CHURCH TAUGHT YOU ..
YOU HATCHING UP ANOTHER LIE MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO YOU...
OR WAS THIS YOUR LADY FRIEND THAT YOU ARE POSTING ABOUT
ARE YOU THE ONE THAT HAD HER ON YOUR LAP?
YOU SEEM TO KNOW A LOT ABOUT THE EVENT...DID YOU WITNESS THE EVENT?
.

WHILE I DO NOT BELIEVE IN UNCONDITIONAL ETERNAL SECURITY...

I ALSO KNOW THAT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH PROMISES... NO SECURITY AT ALL...

BECAUSE THEY ARE DISOBEDIENT... TO GOD'S WORD ...THAT BRINGS ABOUT

SECURITY...

2Ti_1:12 ...... nevertheless I am not ashamed:

for I know whom I have believed, and

am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

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#418497 Jan 27, 2013
look at this item.

Boettner even goes so far as to try and use 1 Peter 5:13 to "prove" that Peter went east to the literal city of Bablyon. There are some glaring problems with this. Fred Zaspel, of Word of Life Baptist Church, rejects the papacy, but concedes that 1 Peter 5:13 proves Peter to have gone to Rome. He first showed why it couldn't have literally meant Babylon:

In 309 B.C. Antigonis I of Macedonia leveled Babylon. Later, in 275 B.C., Antiochus I took away the remaining civilian population and deported them to other cities. Pausanias, a Greek writer and geographer of the Roman period, said that there was absolutely nothing within the walls of Babylon. The city was later re-founded by Antiochus Epiphanes around 160 B.C., and it was later captured by the Parthians in 127 B.C. In the 30's B.C. Hercanus II was in residence there for a while and from him it is known that there was not much to the city at that time. The Roman geographer, Strabo, writing about the time of Christ said "the great city Babylon has become a wilderness." Evidently, the Euphrates River dried up during the time of the Parthians; after that, Babylon was no more (see Jeremiah 51:41-43). From Strabo to Trajan there is no mention of the city extant. Trajan (the Roman Emporer), eager to visit the infamous Babylon, was disappointed when he arrived at the site; it was only a wasted pile of rubble. Add to this observation that there is absolutely no tradition that Peter ever went to Babylon and that there was never a strong Mesopotamian church, it seems rather obvious that the Babylon of 1 Peter 5:13 can not be Babylon of Mesopotamia, the city of the exile.
now lets look at this and show that that Baptist person was wrong and that Jews lived in babylon..

From the Babylonian period to the rise of the Islamic caliphate, the Jewish community of Babylon throve as the center of Jewish learning. The Mongol invasion and Islamic discrimination in the Middle Ages led to its decline.[3] Under the Ottoman Empire, the Jews of Iraq fared better. The community established modern schools in the second-half of the 19th century.[4]

In the 20th century, Iraqi Jews played an important role in the early days of Iraq's independence, but the Iraqi Jewish community, numbered at around 120,000 in 1948, almost entirely left the country due to persecution following the 1948 Arab-Israeli war.[5] Most of them fled to the newly founded state

so here we see that over 100,00 Jews were living in Babylon and iraq during the lifetime of peter.

that baptist preacher should have done his homework,. even this country Preacher knew better than to say what he said.lol
truth

Daw Park, Australia

#418498 Jan 27, 2013
Did you like wine or rakija as brandy?
Did you ever drink?
In church or without church.
Please could you tell me.

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#418499 Jan 27, 2013
and even today, there still are a few jews living in the vicinity of Babylon. they are old and I dont think they have a Priest at this time, but they have lived there all of their lives and dont want to leave.so with over 100,000 Jews, we have a great reason as to why peter would have went there to preach the gospel, first to Preach and lastly to keep himself alive
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#418500 Jan 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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YOU WROTE
Catholics around the world who "know and accept the SAME DOCUMENTED TRUTHS!!!
YOU SIMPLY REPEAT THE SAME HOG WASH OVER AND OVER AGAIN ...AND THEY ACCEPT YOUR LIES AS TRUTH....
YOU CANNOT DOCUMENT ANY THING YOU HAVE WRITTEN....BY THE BIBLE...
OLD OR NEW TESTAMENT...OR ANY THE TEACHINGS OF THE APOSTLES....
CONSTANTINE-ISM IS NOT IN THE BIBLE...
Catholics "on this forum" and the other 1.168 Billion Catholics around the world don't need to read "any of the historical and biblical TRUTHS" that I post on this forum since that are ALREADY "documented, proven and authenticated" over and over again from over 2000 years. THEY ALREADY KNOW IT!!!--The bible and Jesus' OWN "spoken, stated and expressed words" in the Gospel confirm it!
Matthew 16:13-21 "clearly" reveals Jesus Christs One (and only Universal) True Apostolic Church..... The Catholic Church --Historical proven

"Wherever the bishop appears, let the congregation be there also. Just as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.
St. Ignatius of Antioch, "Epistle to the Smyrnaeans," c. 105 A.D.

"The church of God that sojourns at Smyrna, to the church of God sojourning in Philomelium - and to all of the congregations of the holy and Catholic Church in every place." St. Polycarp, "The Martyrdom of St. Polycarp," c. 135 A.D.

"Our Lord Jesus Christ is the Savior of our souls, the Governor of our bodies, and the Shepherd of the Catholic Church throughout the world." St. Polycarp, "The Martyrdom Of St. Polycarp," c. 135 A.D.

"The house of God is one, and there can be no salvation to anyone except in the church." St. Cyprian of Carthage, "Letter 61," c. 250 A.D.

"There is no salvation outside of the church." St. Cyprian of Carthage, "Letter 72," c. 250 A.D.

"The Catholic church is one." St. Victorinus, "Against Arius," c. 280 A.D.

"It is called Catholic then because it extends over all the world, from one end of the Earth to the other; and because it teaches universally and completely one end and all the doctrines which ought to come to men's knowledge, concerning things both visible and invisible, heavenly and earthly; and because it brings into subjection to godliness and the whole race of mankind, governors and governed, learned and unlearned; and because it universally treats and heals the whole class of sins, which are committed by soul and body, and possesses in itself every form of virtue which is named, both in deeds and words, and in every kind of spiritual gifts." St. Cyril of Jerusalem, "Catechetical Lectures," c. 350 A.D.

"Let us note that the very tradition, teaching, and faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning, which the Lord gave, was preached by the Apostles, and was preserved by the Fathers. On this was the Church founded; and if anyone departs from this, he neither is nor any longer ought to be called a Christian." St. Athanasius, "Four Letters to Serapion of Thmuisc," c. 360 A.D.

Furthermore
John 6:47-59 IN JESUS' OWN WORDS:(regarding the Eucharist)
"For unless you eat my body (which is real food) and drink my blood,(which is real drink)---You CANNOT have "Eternal Life"

This is documented "in the New Testament" from the Words of Jesus Christ HIMSELF, Confrinting!....... As usual, you continue to "blow smoke" with your so-called "unbiblical and undocumented" arrogance----every time you spread your bible only Protestant lies, distortion and heretical statements in regard to what the bible says in Matthew 16 and John 6 and the Catholic Church.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#418501 Jan 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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WHILE I DO NOT BELIEVE IN UNCONDITIONAL ETERNAL SECURITY...
I ALSO KNOW THAT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH PROMISES... NO SECURITY AT ALL...
BECAUSE THEY ARE DISOBEDIENT... TO GOD'S WORD ...THAT BRINGS ABOUT
SECURITY...
This is just more in an ongoing repetition of anti-catholic "trash comments" that you are so famous for.... Disobedient to Gods Word???......In the words of Jesus in Matthew 23:16 "woe to you (blind guides)
Why do you deny, and reject the "spoken, stated and expressed words of Jesus Christ HIMSELF regarding His One True Church in Matthew 16:13-21, the same Church that is referred to over 30 times in the New Testament -----and Jesus' OWN words in John 6:47-59 regarding the Eucharist.

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

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#418502 Jan 27, 2013
I want to ask our Catholic brethren a question. You guys tend to think that Peter was the foundation upon whom Christ built His church. You call Peter "the rock" if you may. However if the leaders of the RCC make Peter the Rock upon whom Christ built His church, ther what does that make Christ?

In Epehsians 2:20 Christ is called the CHIEF cornerstone and if Christ is the Chief Cornerstone upon whom all the Apostles and Prophets are built then how can Peter be the rock upon whom the church is built?

Either the Bible is lying or the leaders of the RCC is lying. Guess who is telling you lies. Hint,it isn't the Bible. Those of you that believe that Peter instead of Christ is the foundation upon which the church is built had better stop listening to the RCC leaders and read EPHESIANS 2;20

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#418503 Jan 27, 2013
500
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Catholics "on this forum" and the other 1.168 Billion Catholics around the world don't need to read "any of the historical and biblical TRUTHS" that I post on this forum since that are ALREADY "documented, proven and authenticated" over and over again from over 2000 years. THEY ALREADY KNOW IT!!!--The bible and Jesus' OWN "spoken, stated and expressed words" in the Gospel confirm it!
Matthew 16:13-21 "clearly" reveals Jesus Christs One (and only Universal) True Apostolic Church..... The Catholic Church --Historical proven
"Wherever the bishop appears, let the congregation be there also. Just as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.
St. Ignatius of Antioch, "Epistle to the Smyrnaeans," c. 105 A.D.
"The church of God that sojourns at Smyrna, to the church of God sojourning in Philomelium - and to all of the congregations of the holy and Catholic Church in every place." St. Polycarp, "The Martyrdom of St. Polycarp," c. 135 A.D.
"Our Lord Jesus Christ is the Savior of our souls, the Governor of our bodies, and the Shepherd of the Catholic Church throughout the world." St. Polycarp, "The Martyrdom Of St. Polycarp," c. 135 A.D.
"The house of God is one, and there can be no salvation to anyone except in the church." St. Cyprian of Carthage, "Letter 61," c. 250 A.D.
"There is no salvation outside of the church." St. Cyprian of Carthage, "Letter 72," c. 250 A.D.
"The Catholic church is one." St. Victorinus, "Against Arius," c. 280 A.D.
"It is called Catholic then because it extends over all the world, from one end of the Earth to the other; and because it teaches universally and completely one end and all the doctrines which ought to come to men's knowledge, concerning things both visible and invisible, heavenly and earthly; and because it brings into subjection to godliness and the whole race of mankind, governors and governed, learned and unlearned; and because it universally treats and heals the whole class of sins, which are committed by soul and body, and possesses in itself every form of virtue which is named, both in deeds and words, and in every kind of spiritual gifts." St. Cyril of Jerusalem, "Catechetical Lectures," c. 350 A.D.
"Let us note that the very tradition, teaching, and faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning, which the Lord gave, was preached by the Apostles, and was preserved by the Fathers. On this was the Church founded; and if anyone departs from this, he neither is nor any longer ought to be called a Christian." St. Athanasius, "Four Letters to Serapion of Thmuisc," c. 360 A.D.
Furthermore
John 6:47-59 IN JESUS' OWN WORDS:(regarding the Eucharist)
"For unless you eat my body (which is real food) and drink my blood,(which is real drink)---You CANNOT have "Eternal Life"
This is documented "in the New Testament" from the Words of Jesus Christ HIMSELF, Confrinting!....... As usual, you continue to "blow smoke" with your so-called "unbiblical and undocumented" arrogance----every time you spread your bible only Protestant lies, distortion and heretical statements in regard to what the bible says in Matthew 16 and John 6 and the Catholic Church.
Mt 16:8 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

In the definition of church, show me the term "Catholic Church"....
You can't....because it is not there!!!!

church: ekklesia a calling out, i.e.(concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):--assembly, church.

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#418504 Jan 27, 2013
more proof that peter was more than likely to have gone to babylon and that baptist pastor didnt know what he was talking about(for what ever reason).

History Crash Course #43: The Jews of BabylonThe oldest and most stable of Jewish communities was spared the ravages of holy warriors.
by Rabbi Ken Spiro The story of the Jews of Babylon of necessity begins some 1,000 years before our current timeline &#8213; in the 434 BCE, when the Babylonians first marched on Israel as part of their campaign to stake claim to the former Assyrian empire. In that first foray, the Babylonians did not destroy the Temple, nor send the Jews into exile. However, they did succeed in taking into captivity 10,000 of the best and brightest Jews.(See Part 22)

While it seemed like tragedy at the time, these brilliant men, Torah scholars all, immediately established a Jewish infrastructure upon arrival in Babylon. A dozen years later when the Temple was destroyed, the Jews who were exiled to Babylon found there yeshivas, synagogues, kosher butchers, etc., all the essentials for maintaining a Jewish life.(See Part 23)

Seventy years later, when the Babylonians fell to the Persians and the Jews were permitted to return, only a small number did. Of what was probably a million Jews living in the Persian Empire, only 42,000 went back, meaning that the vast majority stayed in Babylon under Persia domination.

During the Second Temple period, up until its destruction in 70 CE, the Jewish community in Babylon &#8213; far from the eye of the storm that raged in the Land of Israel &#8213; continued to flourish.

Indeed, this is where the center of Jewish rabbinic authority came to rest after the Roman Empire shut down the Sanhedrin in 363 CE.

The head of the Jewish community of Babylon &#8213; who was officially recognized by the Persian authorities &#8213; was called Resh Galusa in Aramaic, which means Rosh Galut in Hebrew, and "Head of the Diaspora" in English.

and since a coffin was found with the name of Peter bar jonah was found in jerusalem, I do beleive that we can reasonably assume that to say that Peter died in Roma is a LIE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE!

An inscription, found on a first century coffin bearing the sign of the cross, reads: "Shimon Bar Yonah" = "Simon [Peter] son of Jonah".

http://www.leaderu.com/theology/burialcave.ht...

as teh article stats, these coffins were not made public to many people and teh answer is obvious,

one frenchman and one italian were among the finders.

both strong catholic countries of course and the find disputes the lies of the catholic church
truth

Daw Park, Australia

#418505 Jan 27, 2013
you not tell me did you drink..not any shame about that
no..we as human drink many things..
water is so simple just as we say mlitavi zivot =very weak life..milk..o yes they told you its good too..
wine and others preserve drink..good..now many drink much more..
Are you for sure you not drink strange drink?
Why?
To be strong.
I liked tell you nothing strong here on Earth when melting point come.

rakija as process cold and hot work so long naturally
even on core of deepest sea..Are you for sure i am stupid?
I never say i am smart..i always say i am simple as well ordinary.

He took bread and divedd on twell..meaning.
he give his body as food ..literally he art every heart..how many continents we have..how many spliting can come in many parts for future ..o yes ecvil destruction because we did not answear then used not appropied words as prophets did not have words describe future time he call monstumes even airplains..as well tanks as horsess.
now..cracking bread..did you ever eat crispy bread nice home made uhhh we as kids say somun=great great mothers say like that because of nice fine dust from flover as we call brasno and nice Germa as we call kvasac or you call kvascani peceni kruh..yeast bread.

time biological bomb=tko u pjesku ili nizini svoju kucu gradi..kad se pocmu micat kontinenti..when continents start moving..what you will do..you will go around as stupid smart agents in nice suits with nice document diploma perfect language..Are you for sure about that..who siting as powerful press as bum..just tiny ant..is that to heavy..no..is that so visible..no.
is that you make in your innovation as modern technology..no..then..why god created bugs powerful and better then us?
Guest

Poplar Bluff, MO

#418506 Jan 27, 2013
A revelation about

the composition of the

Blood Of Jesus



When Jesus died, there was an earthquake.

The bedrock at the foot of the cross split open,

and His blood dripped through a fissure in the rock.

Unbeknown to people then and since, the Ark of the

Covenant lay below in a cave, hidden by Jeremiah from

just before Jerusalem's fall in 586 BC.

Jesus' blood dripped onto the mercy seat of the Ark. A perfect

physical fulfilment of the Ark's spiritual symbolism was

enacted – Jesus paid for us to have contact with God!

In 1982, God led Ron Wyatt, an American archaeologist,

to find this ancient treasure. He also discovered the

blood on the mercy seat. Analysis reveals its uniqueness!





The very fact that the blood of Christ was alive after 2 millennia is

nothing short of a miracle. However it is in line with Scripture which

speaks of Christ in Psalms 16:10 this way, "For thou wilt not leave my

soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see

corruption." Since the Bible tells us in Leviticus 17:11 that,

"....the life of the flesh is in the blood.", we see that the true

blood of Christ would be expected to be as alive today as it was 2000

years ago.

But the question still must be addressed, "What difference does it

make, chromosomes or somatids? Both testify to the blood of Christ

being alive in harmony with Scripture."



That is true, but to promote the somatids, as WAR has encouraged, to

the exclusion of the chromosomes leaves out a very important

testimony; one that Ron Wyatt believed and I believe is one of the

most important testimonies of the blood. The results of the chromosome

test conclusively affirms the identity of this man as the Christ

because it testifies that he was the product of a virgin birth!



Under normal circumstances all human beings have 46 chromosomes.... 23

from their mother and 23 from their father. There are 22 pairs of

autosomes which determine things such as our height, hair and eye

color, etc. The 23rd pair is the sex determinant pair. They consist of

either "X" or "Y" chromosomes. The mother only has "X" chromosomes.

The father has both "X" and "Y" chromosomes.



If the sex-determinant pair is matched "X-X", the child is a female.

If "X-Y", the child is a male. Thus we see that the single chromosome

provided by the father in this chromosome pair determines the gender

of the child. When the blood sample Ron Wyatt took from the crack in

the rock ceiling above the Mercy Seat was tested, it contained 24

chromosomes.... 23 from the mother and one "Y" chromosome from the

father, 24 chromosomes.



As Dr. Eugene Dunkley states in his article on the genetics of the

blood of Christ, 24 chromosomes is exactly what would be expected if a

man was born of a virgin. There are 23 chromosomes from the mother and

a "Y" chromosome from a father. But that father cannot be a human

father because the other 22 chromosomes on the father's side are

missing. Therefore the existence of a "Y" chromosome is at the very

least a mystery, if not a miracle.



But there is more. In the 12 years since I first heard of the work of

Ron Wyatt, I have listened to his critics say some pretty incredible

things in an attempt to dissuade people from believing in his

discoveries. But there is one incredible claim that specifically

applies to this discussion.



continued

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#418507 Jan 27, 2013
500
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Catholics "on this forum" and the other 1.168 Billion Catholics around the world don't need to read "any of the historical and biblical TRUTHS" that I post on this forum since that are ALREADY "documented, proven and authenticated" over and over again from over 2000 years. THEY ALREADY KNOW IT!!!--The bible and Jesus' OWN "spoken, stated and expressed words" in the Gospel confirm it!
Matthew 16:13-21 "clearly" reveals Jesus Christs One (and only Universal) True Apostolic Church..... The Catholic Church --Historical proven
"Wherever the bishop appears, let the congregation be there also. Just as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.
St. Ignatius of Antioch, "Epistle to the Smyrnaeans," c. 105 A.D.
"The church of God that sojourns at Smyrna, to the church of God sojourning in Philomelium - and to all of the congregations of the holy and Catholic Church in every place." St. Polycarp, "The Martyrdom of St. Polycarp," c. 135 A.D.
"Our Lord Jesus Christ is the Savior of our souls, the Governor of our bodies, and the Shepherd of the Catholic Church throughout the world." St. Polycarp, "The Martyrdom Of St. Polycarp," c. 135 A.D.
"The house of God is one, and there can be no salvation to anyone except in the church." St. Cyprian of Carthage, "Letter 61," c. 250 A.D.
"There is no salvation outside of the church." St. Cyprian of Carthage, "Letter 72," c. 250 A.D.
"The Catholic church is one." St. Victorinus, "Against Arius," c. 280 A.D.
"It is called Catholic then because it extends over all the world, from one end of the Earth to the other; and because it teaches universally and completely one end and all the doctrines which ought to come to men's knowledge, concerning things both visible and invisible, heavenly and earthly; and because it brings into subjection to godliness and the whole race of mankind, governors and governed, learned and unlearned; and because it universally treats and heals the whole class of sins, which are committed by soul and body, and possesses in itself every form of virtue which is named, both in deeds and words, and in every kind of spiritual gifts." St. Cyril of Jerusalem, "Catechetical Lectures," c. 350 A.D.
"Let us note that the very tradition, teaching, and faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning, which the Lord gave, was preached by the Apostles, and was preserved by the Fathers. On this was the Church founded; and if anyone departs from this, he neither is nor any longer ought to be called a Christian." St. Athanasius, "Four Letters to Serapion of Thmuisc," c. 360 A.D.
Furthermore
John 6:47-59 IN JESUS' OWN WORDS:(regarding the Eucharist)
"For unless you eat my body (which is real food) and drink my blood,(which is real drink)---You CANNOT have "Eternal Life"
This is documented "in the New Testament" from the Words of Jesus Christ HIMSELF, Confrinting!....... As usual, you continue to "blow smoke" with your so-called "unbiblical and undocumented" arrogance----every time you spread your bible only Protestant lies, distortion and heretical statements in regard to what the bible says in Matthew 16 and John 6 and the Catholic Church.
Cannibal: A person who eats the flesh of other humans.
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Ron Wyatt found the Ark of the Covenant in 1982. Over the next 17

years, until his death in 1999, Ron spent much time in the caves in

that area of the Calvary escarpment. Critics have actually claimed

that if Ron ever brought out an "Ark of the Covenant" or a set of

stone tablets claiming they were the Ten Commandment stones, the

likelihood was that he manufactured them in that cave during those 17

years.

Ark of the Covenant Update

January 6, 2000

by Bill Fry



For a number of years the discovery of Jesus' blood on the Mercy Seat

of the Ark of the Covenant has been discussed. While that point, in

and of itself is controversial, the issue of Christ's blood and its

makeup has been another issue of controversy.



We recognize that this controversy cannot be put completely to rest

until the test results on Christ's blood are released publicly.

However, we have recently been contacted by a Dr. Eugene Dunkley (PhD.

Genetics). Ron Wyatt discussed the test results with Dr. Dunkley at

length the last time Ron was in England.



Although he has not personally analyzed the blood sample, Dr. Dunkley

addresses in the following article the feasibility of the test results

that Ron reported and what a genetic scientist would expect to find in

an analysis of the blood of Jesus Christ. I believe you will find this

information both interesting and thought provoking. NORMAL CHROMOSOMES & DEVELOPMENT

by Dr. Eugene Dunkley



What would the chromosomes of the virgin-born Son of God look like?



Normally, human cells have forty six chromosomes present in the

nucleus. Chromosomes are actually structures which contain the vast

majority of the human genes, from which we get our various traits.

Chromosomes can be classified as either autosomal or sex-determining.

The autosomal chromosomes are actually paired chromosomes, with

twenty-two maternal chromosomes and twenty-two paternal chromosomes.

These chromosomes are paired because they are homologous, that is they

contain genes which code for the same functions. The two sex-

determining chromosomes are the X and Y chromosomes. Females are XX;

males are XY.

Because the chromosomes are in pairs, the cells containing 46

chromosomes are said to be diploid. In contrast, haploid cells are

cells with unpaired chromosomes. These only have 23 chromosomes, and

are normally only found in the gametes. Gametes from the male can have

either an X or a Y chromosome as a sex-determinant, whereas gametes

from a female will only have the X chromosome as a sex-determinant.



ABERRATIONS IN THE CHROMOSOME NUMBER



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Changes in the chromosome number are often associated with disease.

Aneuploidy is the addition or deletion of individual chromosomes from

the normal diploid set of 46. This condition arises during development

of the embryo and is considered to be lethal; only a low percentage of

children conceived with this condition survive till birth. Diseases

associated with aneuploidy of the autosomal chromosomes which have

resulted in live birth are trisomy 13 (Patau syndrome), trisomy 18

(Edwards Syndrome) and trisomy 21 (Down's syndrome). Downs syndrome is

the only trisomy of an autosomal chromosome which allows survival to

adulthood. Of the sex chromosomes, however, aneuploidy is far more

common (1 in 400 males and 1 in 650 females). Some well-characterised

aneuploidies of the sex chromosomes are 45, X (Turner Syndrome), 47,

XXY (Klinefelter Syndrome) and XYY Syndrome.



CHROMOSOMAL ABERRATIONS AND CANCER



There is a growing amount of data involved with the relationship

between chromosomal breakages and cancer. Many tumors are associated

with deletions of DNA. In fact, it is believed by many that

chromosomal breakage may be the cause of many types of cancer. This is

believed to be due to the loss of function of some genes involved in

the control of cell division; when the gene or genes is/are missing or

inactive the cells divide without restraint and invade neighboring

tissue. Even when one copy of these controller genes is present, it

may not be enough because of a dependence on the gene dosage.



A VIRGIN BIRTH



So, it is generally accepted that humans require 46 chromosomes

because of the need for the correct gene dosage. Too many copies of a

gene will likely result in abnormalities and disease, whereas too

little of a gene is considered fatal. However, this is based on the

need for the correct gene dosage.



If we take the Virgin birth of Jesus Christ as an historical fact,

what chromosomal number and type would we expect? Clearly, 46

chromosomes, though normal in humans, would indicate normal

fertilization. However, since no human male was involved in the

conception of the Christ, then one would not expect to find 46

chromosomes. However, the maternal chromosomes would be provided by

the mother as the host, so we would expect at least 23.



If this is the case, what would be the nature of any genetic material

provided by divine means? It would presumably carry male-determining

factors because these would not be provided by Mary. However, there

would have to be provision from this "divine" DNA to be also able to

compensate for the reduced gene dosage which would result from the

missing 23 paternal chromosomes.



Such a mechanism could exist if we have a deep enough understanding of

gene activation and expression. Genes are normally turned on and off

due to various factors present; if these factors maintained a single-

gene copy at a maximal rate then the presence of a second gene could

be completely redundant. Also, this divine DNA could also code for

activators that are able not only to maintain the optimal gene dosage

but also allow access to genes normally locked from activation (and

presumably "lost").



DNA AND BLOOD



It is generally known that mature red blood cells (RBCs), which are

found in the circulatory system, are enucleated, that is they have no

nuclei and therefore no chromosomes. Thus, they are incapable of

dividing and being cultured. However, white blood cells (WBCs), which

are the mainstay of the immune system, contain DNA and are thus

capable of division. In fact, cell lines of monocytes, leukocytes, and

macrophages are routinely used to study the immune response and a

number of biological processes. Blood samples are routinely taken to

isolate DNA for a number of studies.


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Poplar Bluff, MO

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If it were possible to obtain a blood sample of Jesus Christ, what

could a person expect to find? To be immortal, the cells would be

capable of life at any stage, because apoptosis (programmed cell

death) could not take place. One could culture the WBCs and study the

DNA content in vivo (that is, under living conditions). Karyotypes of

cultured cells could be obtained by a number of cytogenetic techniques

to observe both the chromosome number and the banding pattern of the

chromosomes. These would give enormous insight into the activity of

the genes and the nature of the man known by many to be the "Son of

God".

__________

____



If you are unfamiliar with Ron Wyatt's discovery of the Ark of the

Covenant and why it is important, request:

The Ark of the Covenant Discovered!(Ark).

The Story of the Ark of the Covenant (ArkS).


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