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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#418137 Jan 25, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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There is a new book on the market now..it just came out..it is called "dictionary"...you need one.
Incarnate: Embodied in human form; personified
Permit me. Christ, the Second Person in the Holy Trinity was embodied in human form...He was personified.
A minature inverter/converter is always a great means to learn something new.

and when we look at your word description(embodied) we find that it totally agrees with what I have been saying about an egg of mary was NEVER used by God as far as Jesus was concerned.

em·bod·y (m-bd)
tr.v. em·bod·ied, em·bod·y·ing, em·bod·ies
1. To give a bodily form to;

NOTICE THAT IT SAYS TO GIVE A BODILY FORM.

AN EGG IS JUST THAT, AN EGG, AND LIKE i HAVE SAID TIME AND TIME AGAIN, AN EGG CAN NOT IN AND OF ITSELF PRODUCES A BODY.LOL

BUT THE EMBRYO DOES.
Fun Facts

Midland, MI

#418138 Jan 25, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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You evidently did not understand my request..
The Holy Trinity: God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Show me this Trinity that expresses your belief that God is Christ and that Christ is God.
Look again...

9 You, however, live not by your natural inclinations, but by the Spirit, since the

Spirit of God
has made a home in you. Indeed, anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ

does not belong to him
http://www.catholic.org/bible/book.php...
"The Spirit of Christ"...
not..
The Spirit 'Given to' Christ...
Questions?
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/jesus_christ...
Dan

Omaha, NE

#418139 Jan 25, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>A minature inverter/converter is always a great means to learn something new.
and when we look at your word description(embodied) we find that it totally agrees with what I have been saying about an egg of mary was NEVER used by God as far as Jesus was concerned.
em·bod·y (m-bd)
tr.v. em·bod·ied, em·bod·y·ing, em·bod·ies
1. To give a bodily form to;
NOTICE THAT IT SAYS TO GIVE A BODILY FORM.
AN EGG IS JUST THAT, AN EGG, AND LIKE i HAVE SAID TIME AND TIME AGAIN, AN EGG CAN NOT IN AND OF ITSELF PRODUCES A BODY.LOL
BUT THE EMBRYO DOES.
Embryos occur without a fertilzed egg (in human development)?

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#418140 Jan 25, 2013
LTM wrote:
Oxbow
cont
1. Jesus died by crucifixion.
2. He was buried.
3. His death caused the disciples to despair and lose hope.
4. Jesus' tomb was discovered (or was claimed to be discovered) to be empty a few days later.
5. The disciples believed they experienced appearances of the risen Jesus.
6. After this, the disciples were transformed from doubters into bold believers.
7. This message was the center of preaching in the early Church.
8. This message was preached in Jerusalem.
9. As a result of this preaching, the Church was born and it grew.
10. Resurrection day, Sunday, replaced the Sabbath (Saturday) as the primary day of worship.
11. James, a skeptic, was converted when he also believed that he saw the resurrected Jesus.
12. Paul, an enemy of Christianity, was converted by an experience which he believed to be an appearance of the risen Jesus.
Even if someone were to object to this specific list, only a few are needed to prove the resurrection and establish the gospel: Jesus' death, burial, resurrection, and appearances (1 Corinthians 15:1-5). While there may be some theories to explain one or two of the above facts, only the resurrection explains and accounts for them all. Critics admit that the disciples claimed they saw the risen Jesus. Neither lies nor hallucinations can transform people the way the resurrection did. First, what would they have had to gain? Christianity was not popular and it certainly did not make them any money. Second, liars do not make good martyrs. There is no better explanation than the resurrection for the disciples’ willingness to die horrible deaths for their faith. Yes, many people die for lies that they think are true, but people do not die for what they know is untrue.
In conclusion, Christ claimed He was YHWH, that He was deity (not just “a god” but the one true God); His followers (Jews who would have been terrified of idolatry) believed Him and referred to Him as God. Christ proved His claims to deity through miracles, including the world-altering resurrection. No other hypothesis can explain these facts. Yes, the deity of Christ is biblical.
THIS MATTER CAN BE RESOLVED VERY EASILY.

all OXBOW has to say is this; God, the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost, nothing more has to be added, however if he wants to be bullheaded, who on here would wish for him to be otherwise, if he so chooses.

One can not be Seperated from the other. when I first got saved, even to think of the Name of Jesus would give me Blessings and i wondered about that since I felt that God the Father would be jealous, but he soon let me know that He was well pleased and proud of His Son.

that settled it in my Heart and I have never looked at this dilemma(in my mind,anyway) any other way, since it isnt.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#418141 Jan 25, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>THIS MATTER CAN BE RESOLVED VERY EASILY.
all OXBOW has to say is this; God, the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost, nothing more has to be added, however if he wants to be bullheaded, who on here would wish for him to be otherwise, if he so chooses.
One can not be Seperated from the other. when I first got saved, even to think of the Name of Jesus would give me Blessings and i wondered about that since I felt that God the Father would be jealous, but he soon let me know that He was well pleased and proud of His Son.
that settled it in my Heart and I have never looked at this dilemma(in my mind,anyway) any other way, since it isnt.
Well, Oxbow isn't saying that.

Why are you all so anxious to bail Oxbow out of his heresy?

I'm Catholic and believe in the Trinity and you guys have condemned me to the nether regions a thousand times.

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#418142 Jan 25, 2013
Catholic Girl wrote:
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this isn't facebook.
I realize that this isnt facebook, however, to show a picture of a little baby sometimes turns the insults, fangs showing and so on, into all of us forgetting those displays and becoming human beings with soemthing in common.

I hope that you understand that reasoning, because that is why I put it up there, but never mind, you can now look at my ugly mug instead of a beautiful baby boy, as I do what I do best.

SITTING.
ReginaM

Lakehurst, NJ

#418143 Jan 25, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>A minature inverter/converter is always a great means to learn something new.
and when we look at your word description(embodied) we find that it totally agrees with what I have been saying about an egg of mary was NEVER used by God as far as Jesus was concerned.
em·bod·y (m-bd)
tr.v. em·bod·ied, em·bod·y·ing, em·bod·ies
1. To give a bodily form to;
NOTICE THAT IT SAYS TO GIVE A BODILY FORM.
AN EGG IS JUST THAT, AN EGG, AND LIKE i HAVE SAID TIME AND TIME AGAIN, AN EGG CAN NOT IN AND OF ITSELF PRODUCES A BODY.LOL
BUT THE EMBRYO DOES.
An egg must be fertilized first.

"The chromosomes of the oocyte and sperm are...respectively enclosed within female and male pronuclei. These pronuclei fuse with each other to produce the single, diploid, 2N nucleus of the fertilized zygote. This moment of zygote formation may be taken as the beginning or zero time point of embryonic development."
[Larsen, William J. Human Embryology. 2nd edition. New York: Churchill Livingstone, 1997, p. 17]

"The development of a human being begins with fertilization, a process by which two highly specialized cells, the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female, unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote."
[Langman, Jan. Medical Embryology. 3rd edition. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1975, p. 3]

"Embryo: The early developing fertilized egg that is growing into another individual of the species. In man the term 'embryo' is usually restricted to the period of development from fertilization until the end of the eighth week of pregnancy."
[Walters, William and Singer, Peter (eds.). Test-Tube Babies. Melbourne: Oxford University Press, 1982, p. 160]

http://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/em...

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#418144 Jan 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Embryos occur without a fertilzed egg (in human development)?
and that simply put, is WHY it was considered a miracle.

do you really believe that God had sexual intercourse with Mary, fertilizing her egg, making Jesus half man/ half God?

I dont. because if that occured, that would be exactly what Jesus would have been.

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#418145 Jan 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Well, Oxbow isn't saying that.
Why are you all so anxious to bail Oxbow out of his heresy?
I'm Catholic and believe in the Trinity and you guys have condemned me to the nether regions a thousand times.
go back to grade school,dan, calling oxbow [bullheaded] isnt bailing him out of anything.

I consider him in the same class as the sda, 4bdn,and Orville.

USELESS
Dan

Omaha, NE

#418146 Jan 25, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>and that simply put, is WHY it was considered a miracle.
do you really believe that God had sexual intercourse with Mary, fertilizing her egg, making Jesus half man/ half God?
I dont. because if that occured, that would be exactly what Jesus would have been.
Um, He was fully man and fully God.

His conception was miraculous.

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#418147 Jan 25, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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An egg must be fertilized first.
"The chromosomes of the oocyte and sperm are...respectively enclosed within female and male pronuclei. These pronuclei fuse with each other to produce the single, diploid, 2N nucleus of the fertilized zygote. This moment of zygote formation may be taken as the beginning or zero time point of embryonic development."
[Larsen, William J. Human Embryology. 2nd edition. New York: Churchill Livingstone, 1997, p. 17]
"The development of a human being begins with fertilization, a process by which two highly specialized cells, the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female, unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote."
[Langman, Jan. Medical Embryology. 3rd edition. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1975, p. 3]
"Embryo: The early developing fertilize. to me it is aas clear asd egg that is growing into another individual of the species. In man the term 'embryo' is usually restricted to the period of development from fertilization until the end of the eighth week of pregnancy."
[Walters, William and Singer, Peter (eds.). Test-Tube Babies. Melbourne: Oxford University Press, 1982, p. 160]
http://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/em...
God has no chromosomes, nor did he fertilize any egg of mary's.

go back and read genesis and what God said about the "seed".
a woman has no [seed}, therefore those words were figuretive and was Speaking of the Messiah that was to come.

I am sorry, but I am somewhat knowledgable about the Reproductive system of the human race and how also it relates to the Messiah.and even if a human egg was used, it couldnt have come from mary either since as I said, then Jesus would have been half man/half God in that scenario also.

Now go back and read about the embryo and what continues to happen with it and its relationship to the woman as it grows.

this is as clear as clear can be.

and reggie, it doesnt take anything away from this miracleous Event, not if you stop and ponder on it.just makes it understandable for even the most simple minded person.

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#418148 Jan 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Um, He was fully man and fully God.
His conception was miraculous.
No, her pregnancy was miraculous.

the word [conceive] means a beginning of her pregnancy with the Christ child.it doesnt mean that God had sexual relations with Mary, Get Real!!!!
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#418149 Jan 25, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Confidence in what? Surely not Jesus.
<quoted text>
Good - because it is futile to do so.
<quoted text>
No it's not, it is to bring them closer to Jesus.
Let's make a deal NASaL. You stop trying to blow gnosticism up everyone's behind, and I'll stop making fun of it.
Robert Dye

Tulsa, OK

#418151 Jan 25, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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You, evidently, have not been following this thread. Catholics on this forum have said, over and over, that Christ is God and God is Christ...including Clay..They have provided tons of Scripture that they insist supports their belief!!!!!???? Hello!!!!!
I hope that every Catholic who denies that Christ is the Incarnate Son of God, reads this absolute truth...
"If you don't subscribe to the Teaching that Jesus Christ is the Incarnate Son of God, you are NOT Catholic. You cannot be.
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In rejecting that Teaching, you place yourself outside of the Church."
Thank you for your support...
???

You seem to be taking two opposing views at the same time ...
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???
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Is it possible ... you are committing (unconsciously) the common American error of saying (thinking) "God" when you really mean "the Father?"
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(To everyone else: No. I am NOT saying "The Father is not God." What I am saying is that for many Americans, when we say the word "God," we are really thinking of "God he Father."
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As in "Jesus died on th cross in obedience to God's will."
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That should more correctly be : "Jesus died on the cross in obedience to the will of the Father."

(ALSO ***not*** saying that the will of Jesus or the Holy Spirit was somehow different.)

If Oxbow is reading "Jesus is God" to mean "Jesus is God the Father," then his objection becomes obviously correct.
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Jesus is ONE WITH the Father, but is NOT the Father, nor is He the Holy Spirit, yet He is ONE WITH the Holy Spirit.
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ONE God.
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THREE Persons.
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(Notice I did not say "THREE distinct Persons.")
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You could probably say it that way, but you would have to be very cautious about what you mean ... since they are in fact One, which in English does not jibe well with the connotations of "distinct."
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The Father did not die on the Cross.
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The Holy Spirit did not rise from the dead.
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God DID DO both of these things, in the Person of Jesus, who is God the Son.
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There.
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That's as much as I can guess as to the source of the confusion with Oxbow.
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If he means something ELSE, I have no idea how it would fit with Christianity ...
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Rob
ReginaM

Lakehurst, NJ

#418152 Jan 25, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>and that simply put, is WHY it was considered a miracle.
do you really believe that God had sexual intercourse with Mary, fertilizing her egg, making Jesus half man/ half God?
I dont. because if that occured, that would be exactly what Jesus would have been.
Half man/half God?? Eeeek! Not good, Preston. That's another ancient heresy.

Christ is truly God and truly man in every sense except sin. He's not split in half.

Re fertilization: the Holy Spirit didn't have intercourse with the Blessed Virgin. Being God, physical sex, in the way that we understand it, was not required in order to fertilize her egg. However, it was indeed fertilized, the same effect occurred just as if intercourse was involved. Anything else means Jesus wasn't truly human, therefore we weren't redeemed.

Since the Blessed Mother was His only human parent, Christ's DNA comes from His mother, His blood is hers.
Hit And Run

Piedmont, OK

#418153 Jan 25, 2013
You Sheeple don't have a clue as to who you are worshiping first lets start with.

Revelation 12 /9 the whole world is deceived. Do you think because you are a christian or a catholic this does not pertain to you.

How many of you have reverenced the creator....

Only a few are called and chosen to understand ....

Yahweh is not A god he never was one but man changed his name and made him A god.the very thing he warns you not to worship god and or gods so what do you do you worship A god....

Yahweh Is not A god.......Now continue on with your lies and the tickling of each others ears....as for me I tell it like it is And how the roman catholick church is the woman the beast that sits on seven hills named after seven different god.and is without a teacher but for satan. How she has changed the sabbath and changed the laws..... Not one of you can prove this to be un true so what do you do you over look it....because you are not willing to give up your sin.....
ReginaM

Lakehurst, NJ

#418154 Jan 25, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>I realize that this isnt facebook, however, to show a picture of a little baby sometimes turns the insults, fangs showing and so on, into all of us forgetting those displays and becoming human beings with soemthing in common.
I hope that you understand that reasoning, because that is why I put it up there, but never mind, you can now look at my ugly mug instead of a beautiful baby boy, as I do what I do best.
SITTING.
Who is she, the board monitor? Put the baby's picture back up.
Btw, he does resemble you. He's already got a bit of a ticked off look on his little face (or is that gas?). I just want to eat him up, he's so cute.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#418155 Jan 25, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>No, her pregnancy was miraculous.
the word [conceive] means a beginning of her pregnancy with the Christ child.it doesnt mean that God had sexual relations with Mary, Get Real!!!!
"you shall conceive in your womb " "for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."

God placing an embryo in her womb would mean the conception took place outside her womb. No, God did not have relations with her, the Holy Spirit overshadowed her which was the cause of the miraculous conception. Look up the ancient meaning of "overshadow".
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#418156 Jan 25, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
An egg must be fertilized first.
"The chromosomes of the oocyte and sperm are...respectively enclosed within female and male pronuclei. These pronuclei fuse with each other to produce the single, diploid, 2N nucleus of the fertilized zygote. This moment of zygote formation may be taken as the beginning or zero time point of embryonic development."
[Larsen, William J. Human Embryology. 2nd edition. New York: Churchill Livingstone, 1997, p. 17]
"The development of a human being begins with fertilization, a process by which two highly specialized cells, the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female, unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote."
[Langman, Jan. Medical Embryology. 3rd edition. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1975, p. 3]
"Embryo: The early developing fertilized egg that is growing into another individual of the species. In man the term 'embryo' is usually restricted to the period of development from fertilization until the end of the eighth week of pregnancy."
[Walters, William and Singer, Peter (eds.). Test-Tube Babies. Melbourne: Oxford University Press, 1982, p. 160]
http://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/em...
Lever it to Peanut to tell percy about the Birds and the Bee's .......... ROTFLOL
Hit And Run

Piedmont, OK

#418157 Jan 25, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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Half man/half God?? Eeeek! Not good, Preston. That's another ancient heresy.
Christ is truly God and truly man in every sense except sin. He's not split in half.
Re fertilization: the Holy Spirit didn't have intercourse with the Blessed Virgin. Being God, physical sex, in the way that we understand it, was not required in order to fertilize her egg. However, it was indeed fertilized, the same effect occurred just as if intercourse was involved. Anything else means Jesus wasn't truly human, therefore we weren't redeemed.
Since the Blessed Mother was His only human parent, Christ's DNA comes from His mother, His blood is hers.
Joseph and mary had sex. Yahweh is not going to trespass against another woman and put a seed into her.... Yahshua And Yahweh keep the laws. Virgin mary what a lie...... This is what is wrong with the world People interpenetrating the scripture in their own way.Understanding of the scripture only comes fro the reverence of Yahweh not no man made god....

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