Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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#417588 Jan 22, 2013
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Full of Love wrote:
<quoted text>
Read this dear Oxbow;
1 Corinthians 12:3-6
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord,>>> but by the Holy Ghost.
Now there are diversities of gifts,
>>>but the same Spirit.
And there are differences of administrations,
>>>but the same Lord.
And there are diversities of operations,
>>> but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
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The first parallel verse to 1Ti 3:16 is: And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And is followed by: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Scripture that clearly shows Christ and God are not one and the same......Scripture erroneously interpreted that supposedly shows God and Christ as the same, makes the Bible infallible...which it is not.
What else is there to say?????

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#417589 Jan 22, 2013
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>The Fact that we exist and yes Nature does teach us.
True in both accounts.
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>I don't like you so none of my post will ever be directed at you period.
I never asked you to like me. Sounds like you are utilizing your Self. Good for you.

Why do you reject and refuse to believe what Jesus said about it?
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>Should have made that clear the last encounter.
It's an open forum. If you expect me to not post to you, my suggestion, don't post anything that would cause me to reply.

I'm here to ensure that people like you don't mislead others with false information and conjecture.
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>You put man over God/Jesus ?
Are you asking me this?

But whether it is a statement and the question mark was an error, or if it is a question, it really is untrue all around.

I don't put man above anything.

I do put Jesus words above "Paul's" and many others, unlike you. So in essence, you aren't as much as a follower of Jesus' teachings as I am, after all, huh?.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#417590 Jan 22, 2013
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
NASL
lol....I knew it was risky writing that, and you would catch it.
But I won't admit it was a fumble yet.
I did catch it, and I don't agree it to be a fumble at all.

Self.
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>To know oneself is not a oneness, of self with Self.
You are right, it isn't, but understanding the mechanisms of why we do things, through a true in-depth search (meditation and prayer) of our actions (works), we can learn and become better people toward others and in 'faith', hope to make positive changes in the world around us. It also allows one to begin to see the things in the world that can be appreciated, and appreciate what they do for us and us for them.

Self.
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>If one is given the opportunity to know, then it is better to know, than to assume.
I agree.
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>Likewise, If one is given the opportunity to assume, then it is better to assume, than to know(because one may know incorrectly.)
I disagree. A person can have the best results when understanding all the negative aspects as well. If they refuse to acknowledge and seek out the correct information, then they really can't assume anything, because they don't know if it is true or not.

Saying something is true without accurate details or information to validate it factually is, is a ruse not only to yourself, but also to others. "One should not stop seeking.(Jesus)"
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
What one is given, can be taken away.
In what regard?

Lots of things are given and taken away, that have no relevance on salvation. You are thinking of only things in the material world.

Material issues and things have no bearing in a spiritual realm, if and when salvation occurs. According to Jesus, we feel no pain, harm, or other "demons" that we are apportioned to in this world.
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away. Blessed be the Name of the Lord.(Job)
Only to those who think they "know" the inner workings of "God", which I may add, was given to you by men ("Job").

Self.

Since: Jun 10

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#417591 Jan 22, 2013
567
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>Ox i still believe if Nature teaches us. That when Mary concieved it would have been as a Woman who is carrying an embryo and the egg split and becomes identical twins leaving one God the Father and God the Son who took on the flesh and became sin thoough he never did sin inorder that manking may be saved.
Therefore yes you are correct in that they are Two yet still as one.
In My Opinion that is the only example I can come up with.
They both carry the same SPIRIT of Truth and why Jesus is correct in saying he is the beginning and the end the alpha and omega.
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Mary had no twins....she had a child...Jesus Christ, whom, as teaches the Catholics, is the incarnate Son of God...not God.

Catholic Encyclopedia: Jesus Christ - The incarnate Son of God and the redeemer of the human race....

Holy Trinity - God Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Show me the Holy Trinity with Christ being God and God being Christ.........
Clay

United States

#417592 Jan 22, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>after going through countless websites you get a lot of different answers,constantine was christian (not catholic),and he influenced the catholic church to include pagan traditions within it's church to help keep peace in his kingdom,that is one explanation of many,and it's the most believable since the church adopted pagan symbols and dates,and as far as a key goes,what keys? it's mythical keys,have you seen it? has any pope seen them? peter had them,he is buried in rome (supposedly)the key should be there,it is an actual key or just a eufinism? as expected,all catholic sites deny any involvement by constantine,which i don't believe,the truth lies with in the archives of the church and they will not allow anyone to see them,plus the books that were burned by constantine and his collegues he put together.and most important no one has established a god does truly exist,it's all theory still at this point.
I heard Constantine this Constantine that all my life from neighbors and certain relatives.
Bottom line: Catholicism was the same before him and after. He did not alter Catholic teachings because he had no authority to do so.
You guys see certain Pagan dates being the same as Catholic dates...like Christmas, and you automatically assume the Church combined them to have a dual observance or something. Baloney.
The Church stamped out those wicked Pagan celebrations with Christianity. It was a victory for Christ.
Someone said that Constantine established Sunday and changed the Sabbath. Baloney. The Church always observed Sunday.
And I don't know what 'Pagan symbols' you mean.
The wedding ring? Do You know the wedding ring on your finger came from Paganism?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#417593 Jan 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm fairly certain that you don't decide what is or isn't an infallible (or not infallible) teaching of the Catholic Church.
That is because I don't believe men are infallible, thus the CC is a fraud - in more than just this instance.

BTW - your belief dictates you to believe the "infallible" - Pope and all his "writings".

This is where you err.
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>As you asked me earlier, you CAN make a disticntion between what you believe and what is fact, can you not?
Of course I can.

Belief is something perceived as true, without evidence to support it as fact.

Fact is something that may have started as belief, but as information is found (concerning the belief), belief is no longer extant, and facts take over.
- i.e. It is a fact we have to have water in our body. It is belief that "God" will give us water for our bodies if none is available or present.

Got another "infallible teaching"? Let's put this to bed once and for all.

So far we have discussed one infallible teaching, in which I've shown that it has holes in it's promotion.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#417594 Jan 22, 2013
Full of Love wrote:
<quoted text>

I don't know what else to tell you.
Please stop. You are making a fool of yourself.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#417595 Jan 22, 2013
Full of Love wrote:
<quoted text>
He say's he uses the KJV,as do I.
Your first crucial mistake.

The second one is you don't know the history of the KJV, yet place it above others.

Your third mistake - you don't believe what Jesus taught.

Do I need to go on?
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#417596 Jan 22, 2013
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>Ox i still believe if Nature teaches us. That when Mary concieved it would have been as a Woman who is carrying an embryo and the egg split and becomes identical twins leaving one God the Father and God the Son who took on the flesh and became sin thoough he never did sin inorder that manking may be saved.
Therefore yes you are correct in that they are Two yet still as one.
In My Opinion that is the only example I can come up with.
They both carry the same SPIRIT of Truth and why Jesus is correct in saying he is the beginning and the end the alpha and omega.
Excuse me !!!!! Now that is new never heard that one before 7th.
preston

Waverly, OH

#417597 Jan 22, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Excuse me !!!!! Now that is new never heard that one before 7th.
a woman provides an egg in the birth of a child. the Man provides the seed.

since this was a woman who was a virgin, and no man was involved, then it must be inferred that God produced the sperm(seed), and we know this wasnt done.

the ONLY way this could be done was as I have said numerous times was that God placed an embryo in her womb. since the zygote takes on the DNA of both man and woman,but sometimes there are two eggs released and then twins are born.

but in this instance, only one egg would be involved, but in my opinion this never occurred. I believe an embryo was placed in her womb by God and this developed into the Christ Child
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#417598 Jan 22, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>every step you take is a false step.Dan.lol. I was 12 miles from the church when God spoke to me and told me to "come".
it is a shame that all you are doing is mocking the Work of the Holy Spirit.AND YOU DONT EVEN REALIZE IT.
He's not doing that at all. Just because someone had an emotional experience doesn't mean it's the work of the Holy Spirit. There are many folks here who you think are following satanic doctrines and who claim to base their beliefs divine inspiration.
preston

Waverly, OH

#417599 Jan 22, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
He's not doing that at all. Just because someone had an emotional experience doesn't mean it's the work of the Holy Spirit. There are many folks here who you think are following satanic doctrines and who claim to base their beliefs divine inspiration.
then a person needs to discern who is having an "emotional expeirence" and one who is Obeying the voice of God. and until that is settled, then that persons Testimony shouldnt be mocked.
and you are correct, there are several on here that I believe are not Christian, and they follow their own evil devices
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#417600 Jan 22, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>a woman provides an egg in the birth of a child. the Man provides the seed.
since this was a woman who was a virgin, and no man was involved, then it must be inferred that God produced the sperm(seed), and we know this wasnt done.
the ONLY way this could be done was as I have said numerous times was that God placed an embryo in her womb. since the zygote takes on the DNA of both man and woman,but sometimes there are two eggs released and then twins are born.
but in this instance, only one egg would be involved, but in my opinion this never occurred. I believe an embryo was placed in her womb by God and this developed into the Christ Child
Yes I do believe that too. Preston.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#417601 Jan 22, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
567
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Mary had no twins....she had a child...Jesus Christ, whom, as teaches the Catholics, is the incarnate Son of God...not God.
Catholic Encyclopedia: Jesus Christ - The incarnate Son of God and the redeemer of the human race....
Holy Trinity - God Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Show me the Holy Trinity with Christ being God and God being Christ.........
I did not mean to imply Mary had twins. I was referring to God him self spliting as an embroy would and by nature becoming two from one. Both having the same spirit of turth.
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#417602 Jan 22, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>then a person needs to discern who is having an "emotional expeirence" and one who is Obeying the voice of God. and until that is settled, then that persons Testimony shouldnt be mocked.
and you are correct, there are several on here that I believe are not Christian, and they follow their own evil devices
Dan, in this case, may have 'discerned' the person's experience was emotional rather than divine. I know you believe you have a gift in discerning between the two, but that should be left for another discussion.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#417603 Jan 22, 2013
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
confrinting
I agree. But there are at least three books in Reve 20 :12 Wouldn't it be sad for you if one of them was the CCC?
I guess you mean the Roman Catholic,s Catechism...

The Bible says In the Old testament...

Amo_3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

There is no prophecy ..or....reference.... to a Roman Catholic Church in the Old Testament...

AND NONE IN THE NEW...So why should any one THAT BELIEVES THE BIBLE,

believe that God would use their books of fables,

ANY MORE THAN HE WOULD USE THE BOOK OF MORMONS.

GOD DEAL IN TRUTH...HE DOES NOT NEED THE FABRICATIONS ASSUMPTIONS AND PRESUMPTUOUSNESS, OF MEN.

WHEN GOD SAYS "LET THERE BE" ...HIS SPOKEN WORD... MAKES IT BECOME.

WHAT HE HAS SPOKEN FORTH .... ARRIVES ...MATERIALIZES AND FROM THAT

POINT ON...IT EXIST.

GOD'S CHURCH IS AS OLD AS HE IS...
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#417604 Jan 22, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Excuse me !!!!! Now that is new never heard that one before 7th.
If we are made in his Image would make sence that God would be able to split as an embreyo would and being concieved by Mary's egg. Or at least a Y chromozone by God himself.
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#417605 Jan 22, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>a woman provides an egg in the birth of a child. the Man provides the seed.
since this was a woman who was a virgin, and no man was involved, then it must be inferred that God produced the sperm(seed), and we know this wasnt done.
the ONLY way this could be done was as I have said numerous times was that God placed an embryo in her womb. since the zygote takes on the DNA of both man and woman,but sometimes there are two eggs released and then twins are born.
but in this instance, only one egg would be involved, but in my opinion this never occurred. I believe an embryo was placed in her womb by God and this developed into the Christ Child
30 And the angel said to her: Fear not, Mary, for you have found grace with God. 31 Behold you shall conceive in your womb and shall bring forth a son: and you shall call his name Jesus.

Mary could not 'conceive in her womb' if God had placed an embryo her womb. You are sadly mistaken here Preston.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#417606 Jan 22, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>a woman provides an egg in the birth of a child. the Man provides the seed.
since this was a woman who was a virgin, and no man was involved, then it must be inferred that God produced the sperm(seed), and we know this wasnt done.
the ONLY way this could be done was as I have said numerous times was that God placed an embryo in her womb. since the zygote takes on the DNA of both man and woman,but sometimes there are two eggs released and then twins are born.
but in this instance, only one egg would be involved, but in my opinion this never occurred. I believe an embryo was placed in her womb by God and this developed into the Christ Child
Strictly a Therory same as my opinion. However it is neither her nor there, The fact remains salvations only comes by Christ.
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#417607 Jan 22, 2013
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>
I did not mean to imply Mary had twins. I was referring to God him self spliting as an embroy would and by nature becoming two from one. Both having the same spirit of turth.
7th, that isn't what the Bible says.

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